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Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by PhysicsQED(m): 7:08pm On Sep 27, 2011
k.o.n.y., it's not that Diop's fundamental thesis that the Egyptians were of indigenous African stock cannot withstand scrutiny. That's actually totally solid. The ancient Egyptians were more akin to the African groups around them (East Africans, northern Sudanese, etc.) than to any European or Levantine or "Mediterranean" population.

I don't have Diop's most famous book (The African Origin of Civilization) with me anymore (I checked it out from a library a long time ago, but I might buy it later as a reference material), and I can't recall everything that I disagreed with, but I know that I found several of the claims to be excessive or "reaching" and immediately looked them up, only to find my skepticism justified.

For example, I definitely disagree with some of Diop's claims about the accomplishments of Greece's scholars being "stolen" from Egypt. Yes, the Greeks probably got their start in science from Egypt, but what they built from that should not just be called "plagiarism." One example was his claim about the Greek mathematician and physicist Archimedes. Archimedes was one of the greatest geniuses in history, and credit should be given where credit is due. The man was so brilliant that he developed a technique that was basically a rudimentary form of integral calculus, over a thousand years before calculus was truly developed. He was entirely capable of rediscovering or independently discovering anything that it is claimed the Egyptians had already discovered. That the Greeks learned some things from the Egyptians is very probable, and I have read a few articles suggesting this, but this specific accusation against Archimedes (calling him a plagiarist) was flimsy and badly thought out and I was disappointed at the reasoning he used there. His weak criticism of Archimedes is one of the things that stood out to me, although there were other things still, which I can't recall exactly at this time.

However the fundamental thesis of that book - that the Egyptians were an African people, is something I agree with, and there is some evidence to back it up, though I won't get into that in any really great detail so as not to divert this thread.

The most important thing that Diop pointed out was that Western researchers had a stereotypical image of what constituted a "black" person. They had a "stereotypical Negro" image based on West African and Central African features that they were familiar with which ignored how East Africans looked. Modern research has shown that the different features of most East African groups (not all) that people thought were due to Caucasian admixture are actually not due to admixture at all but are the natural features of those groups due to their high genetic diversity. For example, Paul Kagame of Rwanda has features that would have been ascribed to racial mixing with non-"negroid" groups in Diop's time, but we know now that these kind of features are not due to any admixture with Arabs or some Semitic group.

Of course when one compares how the ancient Egyptians depicted themselves to how a Congolese or a Ghanian looks, there won't be similarities in the overwhelming majority of cases, and people seem correct in their dismissal of the claim that they were "black." However, when one compares them with some East Africans some of whom naturally have, without admixture, some so-called "caucasoid" features, it becomes obvious that the Egyptians can easily be of black African stock. For example, thin, straight, long noses, are a widespread feature among certain groups of East Africans, so the argument that the pharaohs and other nobles were not of African stock because they didn't depict themselves with "negroid" or so-called "flat" noses is silly.

One interesting piece of evidence is that the ancient Egyptians' limb proportions have been found to be closer to that of Africans than Caucasoids or other groups.

I came across an interesting argument about it here: http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=006724 which basically confirmed that the ancient Egyptians had limb proportions that suggest an African origin.

That forum (egyptsearch and the related egyptsearchreloaded forum) is in general a gold mine of interesting and obscure information on ancient Africans in general, not just Egyptians, although the emphasis is very much on Egypt. However, I don't frequent those two forums that much because (thank God) I'm not obsessed with Egypt like some black people. Regardless, they do have some interesting arguments on that forum (like this one which is 20 pages long: http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000028;p=20).

There is also some interesting info here on Egypt:

http://www.africanamericanculturalcenterpalmcoast.org/historyafrican/imagegallery.htm



Overall, I agree with Diop's main point. What I disagree with are some of his unsupported claims and linguistic arguments. If I had the book still, I would go over a few of them in detail, but I don't really have time right now to go over that book again or post any detailed analysis of its flaws.
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by kony1(m): 12:27am On Sep 28, 2011
Its funny, the only reason people are debating the whole thing is based off pure racism. There was never any concrete evidence that suggested the ancient egypotians were anything but black. Old british explorers and anthropologist looked at the greatness of egypt and simply concluded that blacks were incapable of doing this. Thats the funny thing about it. Its basically an example of how far white racism can go. So racist that a civilization in africa,of all places, was somehow white

Thats why black americans feel so strongly about the situation. Its an attempt to attack black self-esteem. Have an argument with any of the naysayers, show them a plethora of evidence. In defeat they'll say 'do blacks argue this to get self-esteem' its laughable. It basically exposes their intent in the first place

O and we(in america) were also bombarded with images like this as well. Which is an insult

this is from "The Ten Commandments" around the 1950s i believe
[img]http://1.bp..com/-FbVI5fQgDGs/TYmDxp-7SUI/AAAAAAAAAx8/YKXONBU_3zU/s1600/ten%2Bcommandments.jpg[/img]

It still goes on till this day. This movie came out in the US around 2010. Same sh,t



Doesnt get much more racist

Lol at it having to take a michael jackson video for egyptians to be depicted as black africans
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by Nobody: 1:01am On Sep 28, 2011
LOL its much simpler than that guys! white ppl don't EVEN look good in gold. tongue grin
and if gold was 'their specialty' why did its discovery by the colonists
become such a great sensation? the fact is like everything else from Africa be it
lumber, coal, diamonds, gold; etc it is FOREIGN to whites but just another part of the land
to blacks. Egypt is ours. Geography, the hieroglyphs and even the culture of the people is nothing
more than African. They said the Egyptians were SO influential that even those who would later conquer
the Empire would ASSIMILATE to the culture rather than change it. smiley WHO ELSE HAS SUFFERED
as a people yet have inspired so many? blacks. it's part of who we are.

i dont even address whites and arabs when it comes to the subject. lol. braids? cornrows? dread locks?
side locks? micro braids? sewn in weaves? white and arab? HELL NO! grin grin it's common sense.
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by ezeagu(m): 1:04am On Sep 28, 2011
Gur, did you have to write all that?

BAM!

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Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by Nobody: 1:09am On Sep 28, 2011
ezeagu:

Biafras flag was bit more obvious than that:



ok gotdamit! angry angry grin


i owe you an apology sir.

i stand corrected about the UNIA and Biafran flag's relationship.
i saw this in a video @ around 5:44

[flash=600,260]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5vpDF2dUHc?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0[/flash]
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by saiyaman: 1:11am On Sep 28, 2011
Wow this better be documented for future reference cheesy jk
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by kony1(m): 1:15am On Sep 28, 2011
ezeagu:

Gur, did you have to write all that?

BAM!

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Not even that. Look at the bust of king tuts grandmother. The most afrocentric black person couldnt even think of this lol. Egyptians were black

[img]http://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.files./2009/04/tiye1.jpg[/img]
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by saiyaman: 1:19am On Sep 28, 2011
I think Egyptians were a mix of people some Black in appearance others more Arab due to geography smiley
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by Nobody: 1:22am On Sep 28, 2011
saiyaman:

I think Egyptians were a mix of people some Black in appearance others more Arab due to geography smiley

i agree. it would be UNREALISTIC to say there was NO arab involvement.
i mean look at the present Eastern and Central Africans. even the darkest ones with the kinkiest of hair still have obvious Arab features however the point is Egypt was and STILL is in my opinion a black nation. smiley
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by saiyaman: 1:23am On Sep 28, 2011
But still African at the end of the day.
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by ezeagu(m): 1:26am On Sep 28, 2011
MsDarkSkin:

ok gotdamit!  angry angry grin


i owe you an apology sir.

i stand corrected about the UNIA and Biafran flag's relationship.
i saw this in a video @ around 5:44

That will be a white sheep, two pigs feet and the fingernails of an unborn black parrot, thank you very much.

k.o.n.y:

Not even that. Look at the bust of king tuts grandmother. The most afrocentric black person couldnt even think of this lol. Egyptians were black

[img]http://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.files./2009/04/tiye1.jpg[/img]

A lot of the facial features are similar to those in the African Diaspora.

saiyaman:

I think Egyptians were a mix of people some Black in appearance others more Arab due to geography smiley  

Arabs didn't exist at their time (well while they were at the top). The people you should say are Persians and Mesopotamians, like the Sumerians and Babylonians (now Iraq). This is probably why they look like the African diaspora.
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by saiyaman: 1:29am On Sep 28, 2011
ezeagu:


Arabs didn't exist at their time (well while they were at the top).

Well I believe that Egyptian in general had different features before invasions from outside Africa some were what we considered black others more fairer in appearance, I don't think all of ancient Egypt was just Black due to the fact that as you get farther away from the equator adaptations change.
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by kony1(m): 1:30am On Sep 28, 2011
Arab and eastern influences didnt come to after the fact. During king tuts time, egypt was somewhat influenced by arab genealogy. But during his time egypt was already ancient, like 2000 years old. The original egyptians were black african

This was one of the first kings of Egypt before the pharaohs  

King Menes doesnt get more negroid than this
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by Nobody: 1:41am On Sep 28, 2011
k.o.n.y:

Arab and eastern influences didnt come to after the fact. During king tuts time, egypt was somewhat influenced by arab genealogy. But during his time egypt was already ancient, like 2000 years old. The original egyptians were black african

This was one of the first kings of Egypt before the pharaohs  

King Menes doesnt get more negroid than this


Absolutely. That is NON debatable! Menes was a black man and there is nothing mixed about him. I was speaking on the late middle kingdom to the present. No Arab or white man has EVER had a name like Kivu!  grin definitely African.  smiley

I even read somewhere that there are even WEST AFRICANS who have lineage in Egypt which is evident in language and even body/hair art. I believe it o! This is cool because the only defense whites and Arabs use is "well you are of west african descent, you're not egyptian descendants!" lol. as if Africans have always lived where they currently reside!  grin grin these same whites who are quick to tell you how 'Irish', 'Scottish' and or 'French' they are, claim and show great pride in ancient Greece and Rome which are no where near western europe.  grin hypocrisy  tongue!

ezeagu:

That will be a white sheep, two pigs feet and the fingernails of an unborn black parrot, thank you very much.

how about an I.O.U?  tongue grin
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by ezeagu(m): 2:04am On Sep 28, 2011
MsDarkSkin:
how about an I.O.U?  tongue grin

You'll have to bring your Obeah man, I'll bring my Dibia to settle the matter. According to that video they speak the same language.
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by kony1(m): 2:07am On Sep 28, 2011
MsDarkSkin:

these same whites who are quick to tell you how 'Irish', 'Scottish' and or 'French' they are, claim and show great pride in ancient Greece and Rome which are no where near western europe.  grin hypocrisy  tongue!




This is absolutely right. A'lot of theses whites were living in caves when romans were building empires. It just goes to show you how deep their racism is. To them it doesnt matter, they feel the romans were white and that's that. But they dont see black people like that. They feel compelled to pick and choose when it comes to us

And even with the romans. I watched a documentary today that said, romans were building mud huts when the egyptians were building dams to control the nile river. Any type of black dominance is embarrassing to them
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by kony1(m): 2:12am On Sep 28, 2011
Also what a'lot of whites fail to understand is that. Its not all afrocentric blacks that feel this way. Listen to this white man tell the truth.

[flash=400,300]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FciCAXYWx3s?[/flash]
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by Nobody: 3:09am On Sep 30, 2011
Absolutely. cheesy

It's undeniable and THEY know it.
I hate when ppl fight facts tho. undecided
Normally I'd ignore it but when it's printed
in textbooks and taught as truth when it's
lies, that's when I have to speak out.
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by PhysicsQED(m): 4:46am On Sep 30, 2011
Science is finally catching up with what Garvey, Dubois, and Diop confidently stated decades ago.

People should really read this site: http://www.africanamericanculturalcenterpalmcoast.org/historyafrican/imagegallery.htm

From that site, here are some interesting things that anybody interested at looking at the situation objectively should note:








Also, people should be wary of some of the "research" into the ancient Egyptians' appearance which is not rigorous in its methodology. The way the facial reconstruction of Tutankhamen was made to look like a "white" North African on a National Geographic cover a few years ago was simply based on some ignorant assumption about his nose indicating a caucasoid appearance by the lead researcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy#Tutankhamun), when, as has already been stated, that kind of nose can easily come from an East African population with a nose adapted for the desert. After making the claim about his nose, they assigned a skin color to him based on the Arab appearance of modern Egyptians. undecided How that was passed off as credible research is beyond comprehension. It's basically nonsense.














Also from that website, here are just some of the images that make it clear that they were not of a "caucasoid" or Western Asian group:

http://www.africanamericanculturalcenterpalmcoast.org/historyafrican/darkegyptians/index.htm
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by kony1(m): 8:53am On Sep 30, 2011
im confused by the limb proportion chart. Why do american blacks have a different proportion than west africans? Why are we on the chart to begin with?
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by PhysicsQED(m): 9:43am On Sep 30, 2011
k.o.n.y., the article that the specific chart is from was not concerned specifically with Egypt but contains general information about limb proportions among groups originating from different climates that they used to compare with the limb proportions of a few groups of native North Americans. They included African Americans probably out of convenience or diversity for the sub-saharan African group, since they are in North America and since it's known that African Americans have a sub-saharan African origin. On page 2 of their article, they show all the groups they sampled.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19927367

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.21226/pdf

^^^
(I don't know if you're at a university or library that can access the article, though. But there's the link if you want to read the whole article)

Here's what the article is about (from the abstract):

"Body proportions of circumpolar peoples as evidenced from skeletal data: Ipiutak and Tigara (Point Hope) versus Kodiak Island Inuit.

Holliday TW, Hilton CE.


Department of Anthropology, Tulane University, New Orleans, LA 70118, USA.

Abstract

Given the well-documented fact that human body proportions covary with climate (presumably due to the action of selection), one would expect that the Ipiutak and Tigara Inuit samples from Point Hope, Alaska, would be characterized by an extremely cold-adapted body shape. Comparison of the Point Hope Inuit samples to a large (n > 900) sample of European and European-derived, African and African-derived, and Native American skeletons (including Koniag Inuit from Kodiak Island, Alaska) confirms that the Point Hope Inuit evince a cold-adapted body form, but analyses also reveal some unexpected results. For example, one might suspect that the Point Hope samples would show a more cold-adapted body form than the Koniag, given their more extreme environment, but this is not the case. Additionally, univariate analyses seldom show the Inuit samples to be more cold-adapted in body shape than Europeans, and multivariate cluster analyses that include a myriad of body shape variables such as femoral head diameter, bi-iliac breadth, and limb segment lengths fail to effectively separate the Inuit samples from Europeans. In fact, in terms of body shape, the European and the Inuit samples tend to be cold-adapted and tend to be separated in multivariate space from the more tropically adapted Africans, especially those groups from south of the Sahara."


Here's another quote about their sample:

"To test the hypotheses outlined in the Introduction,
the Point Hope samples were compared to a broad sample
of modern humans from Europe, Africa, and North
America (Table 1). These samples range in date from
over 3,500 years ago to the late Medieval period to the
second half of the twentieth century [for discussion of
samples, see Holliday (1995, 1997b), Holliday and Falsetti
(1999), and Holliday and Ruff (2001)]. In absolute
numbers, the majority of the sample is of European origin,
but there is a sizable number of African skeletons
present as well (African-Americans are also included).
Native North Americans are not well-represented; they
are represented in this study only by the Koniag and a
prehistoric Puebloan sample from New Mexico that are
included in many (but not all) of the comparisons.
Unless indicated otherwise in Table 1, all measurements
for the comparative samples were taken by TWH. Sex of
all samples was determined by the authors via analyses
of the ossa coxarum. However, a number of the specimens
lacked pelves, and for some individuals the sex
remains indeterminate (Table 1).
The measurements taken on the samples (Table 2)
were chosen to best reflect those aspects of body size and
proportions that vary with climate, specifically limb
bones from the four major limb segments, femoral head
diameter, skeletal trunk height (the summed dorsal body
heights of T1-L5 plus sacral ventral length), and bi-iliac
breadth. These measurements, as well as indices and log
shape variables created from them, have all been shown
to vary significantly between climatic groups (Holliday,
1995, 1997a,b; Holliday and Ruff, 2001); summary statistics
for these measurements are presented by sex and
sample in Table 3."


Another quote, which explains the chart:

"These same log shape variables were subjected to two
forms of cluster analysis: neighbor-joining (NJ) and
unweighted pair-group method using averages (UPGMA)
tree analysis. Figure 8 is the NJ tree. It has two main
branches—a long and linear body build branch that
includes the Egyptians, Sub-Saharan Africans (except
for the Pygmies), and African-Americans and a second,
less linear body form branch that includes the Inuit,
Europeans, Euro-Americans, Puebloans, Nubians, and
Pygmies. Note that the Nubians used in this study are
thought by some to represent an immigrant population

from Europe or Western Asia [see Holliday (1995)]. Note,
too, that all of the Inuit groups fall in amongst the Europeans,
and that while the Koniag and Ipiutak cluster together,
the later Tigara sample clusters apart from them
and is distantly clustered with Medieval Bosnians."


[the part in bold explains the Nubians grouping on the chart; they used skeletons from 3,500 years ago to the 20th century, so they may have used skeletons from a group of Nubians mixed heavily with Arabs]


As for why African Americans don't cluster "exactly" in limb proportions with West Africans on their chart, it might have to do with the limited sample size used of West Africans (21) or African Americans (60) or it might suggest that "Central" Africans (African Americans also have CA ancestry) have slightly different limb proportions. He didn't include Central Africans.

Anyway, the main point is that virtually all the groups that have an indigenous black African origin have very similar limb proportions which are distinct from those of other groups originating elsewhere and the ancient Egyptian skeletons consistently fall into this group across multiple studies.
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by exotik: 9:20pm On Oct 06, 2011
By the way exotik, sorry about the long response. I just realized how long my post looks in comparison to what I was responding to.

lol, it is okay. and to be honest, the major reason i come back to check these forums is to read your posts especially when you are putting edo haters in their place --> the gutter! and there are a lot of them on here hating for no reason and trying to reduce our historical importance especially that of the binis. 
and u do give urself little credit, u are well-versed in history from that of bini to greek. so maybe when u are through with school, you will come back home and become a bini chief?? grin coz all that knowledge should not be used helping to build and develop the western world. we need our scholars back home.
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by MrsChima1(f): 5:15am On Oct 07, 2011
Many of your scholars are home. They are too busy basking in greed.
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by exotik: 12:41pm On Oct 07, 2011
lol, @ the irony of that comment coming from an american, and a black-american to crown it all.

don’t you have something more important to do instead of posting on nairaland? uhm, like join the on-going protest in the US against greed? or you are here because you are not part of the 99% of americans who are poor but part of the greedy 1%?
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by kony1(m): 8:46pm On Oct 07, 2011
As an american, specifically a black american, my first intial thought was to respond to this.

But you know what, your right. America is the last country to talk about greed
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by PhysicsQED(m): 7:20pm On Oct 08, 2011
exotik:
lol, it is okay. and to be honest, the major reason i come back to check these forums is to read your posts especially when you are putting edo haters in their place --> the gutter! and there are a lot of them on here hating for no reason and trying to reduce our historical importance especially that of the binis.


Lol, thanks. And no one can reduce our historical importance and I don't even understand why they would want to. In Europe, people from different European groups wouldn't try to reduce the historical importance of any European groups that show evidence of independent European achievement. Yet despite Benin's importance as far as indigenous achievement in Africa, on the internet (I don't think this phenomenon holds true in real life, from my experience) a few Nigerians of all backgrounds have gone out of their way to put down Benin (not just on this forum, either).

The historical importance of Benin is an already settled issue. No black African city was compared in any way with Lisbon, Amsterdam, Florence, and Madrid entirely on the initiative of European visitors themselves. No other African city that Europeans visited had a palace so big that two different writers claimed it at was as big as certain cities in their respective countries (Holland and Germany). The splendor of the Oba's annual ceremony on horseback was compared to that of a papal procession in Rome. And very soon after Benin's art was known more widely one professor (Felix von Luschan) claimed that the art from Benin was better than anything that even Benvenuto Cellini (one of Europe's most celebrated sculptors) could have cast.

Here is just one of the positive quotes about Benin (this one is from right before the civil war that wrecked a large part of the city), from a Portuguese ship captain who visited Benin:

'Great Benin, where the King resides, is larger than Lisbon, all the streets run straight and as far as the eyes can see. The houses are large, especially that of the king which is richly decorated and has fine columns. The city is wealthy and industrious. It is so well governed that theft is unknown and the people live in such security that they have no door to their houses' - Lourenco Pinto, 1691

Yet only recently one guy on this forum tried to insult the houses, argue that the people were uncivilized and started comparing Benin to trading states in the Delta!

All this ancient and modern praise from foreigners from a different continent, yet on the internet, there is this weird negativity from some fellow Nigerians. It's just bizarre.

Another problem is the way certain official distortions were given the appearance of validity by some Western writers.

I don't even like getting into confrontations on this board, but one reads all sorts of funny claims on this board about Benin and one just has to respond at some point if one knows that what is claimed is contrary to reality.

Only recently someone tried to suggest Benin brass casting was derivative of Ife (because of the unsupported claims of two western art historians - Frank Willett and William Fagg) when every modern study of the technical casting methods and the styles has refuted that and when the actual Benin brass casters guild recalls traditions of brass casting during the Ogiso period (as does Egharevba's most famous book).

and u do give urself little credit, u are well-versed in history from that of bini to greek. so maybe when u are through with school, you will come back home and become a bini chief?? Grin coz all that knowledge should not be used helping to build and develop the western world. we need our scholars back home.

I give my self little credit because I don't consider myself a person with any really deep expertise or knowledge in most historical areas. I may know much more than the average person on a few areas of history, but there are a lot of people out there who know far more of history than me, and I don't think it would be appropriate to group myself with those people in terms of historical knowledge.

Maybe someday when I have more time, I''ll read more of the huge number of publications on Great Benin (the number which I have read is a very small fraction of all that has been written about Benin), and also ask people back home what they know, and publish something significant with regard to Benin's history or development and then maybe I'll call myself really well-versed on Benin history at that point.

I definitely do plan to come back home to do my part. First I need to actually have some kind of achievements and experience/expertise though, preferably in research or industry.

lol, as for being a chief, I would love that someday, but you usually have to be old and accomplished for that, or you have to inherit a hereditary title, so I would probably have to do something outstanding in Nigeria to even be considered.
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by lovelylady: 8:26am On Oct 29, 2011
Which west African group does Celia Cruz resemble?
http://blackgirlsrock./2009/11/25/rockstar-of-the-week-celia-cruz/
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by Nobody: 10:21pm On Sep 10, 2012
iceblue: Jay Z looks like OBJ grin grin grin grin


loooooooooooooooooooooool!
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by Nobody: 10:22pm On Sep 10, 2012
k.o.n.y:


This is absolutely right. A'lot of theses whites were living in caves when romans were building empires. It just goes to show you how deep their racism is. To them it doesnt matter, they feel the romans were white and that's that. But they dont see black people like that. They feel compelled to pick and choose when it comes to us

And even with the romans. I watched a documentary today that said, romans were building mud huts when the egyptians were building dams to control the nile river. Any type of black dominance is embarrassing to them

The ONLY time myself and Kony agreed on something. grin

Anyway...off to find a specific picture. cheesy
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by Nobody: 10:25pm On Sep 10, 2012
tamme: Grabielle Union looks igbo

naw, i bet gabby is Ghanaian.

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Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by MrsChima1(f): 11:04pm On Sep 10, 2012
Gabby do not look Igbo in comparison to full Igbo people I have seen.


Why do some people want to label everybody black as Yoruba or Igbo There are hundreds of tribes in the world!
Re: Black Celebrities, What African peoples could they be from? by Nobody: 11:44pm On Sep 10, 2012
Mrs..Chima:
Gabby do not look Igbo in comparison to full Igbo people I have seen.


[size=18pt]Why do some people want to label everybody black as Yoruba or Igbo There are hundreds of tribes in the world![/size]

ask am.

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