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Fools claim we are all guilty and are quick to accept the guilt of racism without knowing a thing about racism, therefore giving the defined perpetrators of racism the opportunity to apply many fallacious meanings or justification for racism, eschewing responsibilities pusillanimously. Is very appalling that something as dangerous as racism could be reduced to these low level of quizzical nonsensical, spitting in the eyes of those who slimly avoided being lynched.
It was so funny and at the same time spasmodic when somebody claimed that the reason why black people are at the receiving end of racism is because the white man has power over the well being of black people, funny indeed and blasphemous, what power has low life drunks and uncivilized gelid fools like the Russians and there likes has over the well being of the black people, you are as sure as hell and convinced you know but you never can tell.
It amazes me how confortable our people feel at the position of myrmidon, let me define racism elementarily; ''you are in my place or you are in the area I control, I ''ll do what ever I like with you, every race has the opportunity to do this, but most of the other races chose not to, hence all fingers are pointing at the same direction, why is it so, ask yourselves, there are people of other races in Nigeria, but I 've never hard of a case of racism, good.
Racism has to do with how nefarious a group of people are, believe me tribalism, nepotism or even jingoism are very minor, don't confuse it with racism cause it might rob you of the ability to prepare your your mind for eventual occurrence of racism in your lives in the future [GOD forbid]. I have to asseverate, don't give in to all the negative agitprop that is in place against us today, bring it on.
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nferyn (m)
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925, you seem to be shooting in many directions at the same time.
Could you clearly define race and racism and from that starting point explain what definitions are fallacious or only justifications for racism?
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Drusilla (f)
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925,
Very true post.
Here is the Debate:
Black people: European Culture has birthed some heretofore unknown ugly racism into the world. European Culture must change.
White people: European Culture is just fine and does not need to change, don't player hate us because we did it first, if blacks had got the jump on us, they would have did the same thing. Your just jealous that we did it first.
Thank you for your example of the Russians racism against Blacks, having nothing to do with some economic domination of Blacks.
Bill Cosby's wife talked about this too. Saying that there are NO blacks in the Ukraine, so the only way that the Ukranian man who killed their son could have learned to be a racist killer is from America. Bragging that he beat a Nigger to his friends.
Even if Racism started as some economic policy, it has been warped to something else now and that reality must be dealt with.
Great post.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To Drusilla, 925,
Very true post.
Here is the Debate:
Black people: European Culture has birthed some heretofore unknown ugly racism into the world. European Culture must change.
White people: European Culture is just fine and does not need to change, don't player hate us because we did it first, if blacks had got the jump on us, they would have did the same thing. Your just jealous that we did it first.
Thank you for your example of the Russians racism against Blacks, having nothing to do with some economic domination of Blacks.
Bill Cosby's wife talked about this too. Saying that there are NO blacks in the Ukraine, so the only way that the Ukranian man who killed their son could have learned to be a racist killer is from America. Bragging that he beat a Nigger to his friends.
Even if Racism started as some economic policy, it has been warped to something else now and that reality must be dealt with.
Great post.
Thank you, no matter how people turn a deaf ear to the message, continuance is imminent, you will notice that at the end of the day, the people that gains from these informations are hardly the one that argue unnecessary, a lot of people here base there assumption on what they hear or read in the media, you know the good old media every thing has to go with a pinch of salt particularly if it has to do with black people, the fact that people are not aware of this is one thing am beginning to descry, people seem to be naive to the level of nimiety. take Russia for example I was there at the incipient of racism, Q E D those guys learn to be racist from American movies and it all started in 1996 or say late 1995, not an inch earlier than that, and it has nothing to do with power, cause in 1996 the average Russian salary per month was 30 dollars, and most of the black people in Russia then could spend this money in a second without thinking is a lot of money and this is the same money that a Russian will work for, for a whole 30 days, it was on record that it was blacks that hire Russians to work for then, and this situation is still prevalent even till today, but alas they are racist and somebody said racism is got to do with power. Racism has nothing to do with power, an egoistic person can easily become a racist, people of European discern tend to do exhibit these trait more than people of any other race that ever walked this planet, everything is me me me me, an egoistic person is incapable of feeling for others, the problem with our people is that they lack the celerity in loving them selves than in extolling those who hate them with passion. |
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To argument 925, you seem to be shooting in many directions at the same time.
Could you clearly define race and racism and from that starting point explain what definitions are fallacious or only justifications for racism?
If you live in a glass house don't throw stones, this is only an advise, race does not exist in the real sense, since is something that is not permanent, there are humand being with different looks and color, the reason for this diversity need a complete new thread to explain, wont be going into that. since we are all broken down to races, I will define race as, traits or looks that is peculiar to a certain group of people at a particular time in history. |
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obasa-njo (f)
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and if i may ask, who are these fools that made this king of statement
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To obasonjo,
Pleas Mr President can you rephrase the question, so I can understand what you mean.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To argument, To argument
If you live in a glass house don't throw stones, this is only an advise, race does not exist in the real sense, since is something that is not permanent, there are humand being with different looks and color, the reason for this diversity need a complete new thread to explain, wont be going into that.
since we are all broken down to races, I will define race as, traits or looks that is peculiar to a certain group of people at a particular time in history.
Should I take your silence as acceptance of the Truth or?, |
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nferyn (m)
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To argument, since we are all broken down to races, I will define race as, traits or looks that is peculiar to a certain group of people at a particular time in history. Should I take your silence as acceptance of the Truth or?, Your definition is so vague that it is practically useless. You still haven't defined racism and what definitions are fallacious and for what reason. PS: I don't necessarily disagree with what you say, but you haven't explicitated your position sufficiently for me to make that call. |
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O-B-J (f)
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@9-2-5, who are the fools that claim we are all guilty?  |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To argument, ,
Your definition is so vague that it is practically useless.
You still haven't defined racism and what definitions are fallacious and for what reason.
PS: I don't necessarily disagree with what you say, but you haven't explicitated your position sufficiently for me to make that call.
I was right, before I presented my definition of race I knew exactly that is what you are going to say, you are going to come out with some hauteur excuses to abjure accepting the truth, did I hit you where it pains?, easy easy we are not fighting about it, I sure came out with something that is strange to you, ah hah I know what the problem is, you are used to the fact that most people here presents the definition of some white author or some dictionary definition written by the very people that perpetrates racism, who makes sure that every of there definition lacks probity and pratical truth while enriching every of it with heavy biased undertone. am sorry am a very very different kind of a person, am not here to inpress you or anybody, like I can see you are very used to people that are sucking up here. My definition of race is not vague, you are the one that is a little kind of indolent in understanding what am trying say, when I said this: To argument
race does not exist in the real sense, since is something that is not permanent, there are human being with different looks and color, the reason for this diversity need a complete new thread to explain, wont be going into that.
since we are all broken down to races, I will define race as, traits or looks that is peculiar to a certain group of people at a particular time in history.
From many of your post I 've come across in Naialand, am sure that you are very aware of the history and the incipience of what we call race today, then I failed to see why you can't grasp what my definition is all about, or is still arrogance that is play, I would rather not call it ignorance, in the future try to be a little extempore in your approach, be open to new ideas, why would I be blamed for saying this: Fools claim we are all guilty and are quick to accept the guilt of racism without knowing a thing about racism, therefore giving the defined perpetrators of racism the opportunity to apply many fallacious meanings or justification for racism, eschewing responsibilities pusillanimously. Is very appalling that something as dangerous as racism could be reduced to these low level of quizzical nonsensical, spitting in the eyes of those who slimly avoided being lynched.
It was so funny and at the same time spasmodic when somebody claimed that the reason why black people are at the receiving end of racism is because the white man has power over the well being of black people, funny indeed and blasphemous, what power has low life drunks and uncivilized gelid fools like the Russians and there likes has over the well being of the black people, you are as sure as hell and convinced you know but you never can tell.
It amazes me how confortable our people feel at the position of myrmidon, let me define racism elementarily; ''you are in my place or you are in the area I control, I ''ll do what ever I like with you, every race has the opportunity to do this, but most of the other races chose not to, hence all fingers are pointing at the same direction, why is it so, ask yourselves, there are people of other races in Nigeria, but I 've never hard of a case of racism, good.
Racism has to do with how nefarious a group of people are, believe me tribalism, nepotism or even jingoism are very minor, don't confuse it with racism cause it might rob you of the ability to prepare your your mind for eventual occurrence of racism in your lives in the future [GOD forbid]. I have to asseverate, don't give in to all the negative agitprop that is in place against us today, bring it on.
The things you said I said withen this post that made you to claim that am shooting in your direction couldn't have been funnier, you Analise your statements yourself, is it not mendacious, collude and misleading for you to claim that white people are racist towards black people because the whiteman has power over the well being of black people, the other instances I made in the post above you can not contest, for sure you can't. |
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To O-B-J @9-2-5, who are the fools that claim we are all guilty? Toshman and his friend argument and there likes. |
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nferyn (m)
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To argument,
I was right, before I presented my definition of race I knew exactly that is what you are going to say, you are going to come out with some hauteur excuses to abjure accepting the truth, did I hit you where it pains?, easy easy we are not fighting about it, I sure came out with something that is strange to you, ah hah I know what the problem is, you are used to the fact that most people here presents the definition of some white author or some dictionary definition written by the very people that perpetrates racism, who makes sure that every of there definition lacks probity and pratical truth while enriching every of it with heavy biased undertone. am sorry am a very very different kind of a person, am not here to inpress you or anybody, like I can see you are very used to people that are sucking up here.
I shouldn't really bother to reply to your level of insight into my motivations, but I'm going to try it anyway. When Drusilla gave a definition I thought was incorrect, I presented another one that I found far more compelling (It was by the way, not a definition made by s ome white person). Here's the link to that post. You really need to get off your cloud, not everybody is out there to get you, there's no ulterior motive behind my (and other people's) criticism, except maybe for a love for the truth. I will repost the definition I found relevant here, including my comments: * an underlying belief in the superiority of one race over another and its right to dominate.
* generalizing one group of people by believing in simplistic stereotypes of that group.
These elements are the basic buiding blocks of racial prejudice and racism. The power one racial group has over another (either explicitely or implicitely) determines whether or not one can speak about racism.
* affects every aspect of the lives of communities of colour: social, economic, political, health, etc.
* may take three main forms (though all work together to maintain a system of oppression):
* Individual Racism - individual acts that overtly reflect racist attitudes/beliefs. This is the easiest one to identify. ie. racial slurs, jokes, etc.
As this works on an individual level, the power relation needs to be seen in it's proper context. It is possible for a person to be member of a group that is negatively affected by institutional racism to be racist to a member of a group that is more privileged on an institutional level, although the aggregate of all these racist actions will be less significant on a higher level of analysis. Beware that for the victim of this kind of racism, it doesn't really matter where the chips fall on a higher level
* Systemic Racism and Institutional Racism-organizational policies and practices at the structural level that indirectly target communities of colour and maintain white privilege. Ie. racism in the criminal justice system (police profiling); racism in the educational system (all white authors on a course reading list.)
This is in my view the most underestimated and misunderstood expression of racism. Because of institutionalised, systemic racism you can have racism without many real racists. This is always a blind spot for the hegemonic, priviledged groups in society and is greatly aided the unconscious expression of the hegemonic value system of the normalised, hegemonic group
* Cultural Racism-value system that supports and allows discriminatory actions against racially and ethnoculturally marginalized communities. Ie. white privilege.
The Marxist superstructure. Doesn't only work on racial lines, but also on class lines and other normative lines (e.g. what is acceptable discourse?). This has been nearly perfected in the US mainstream media My definition of race is not vague, you are the one that is a little kind of indolent in understanding what am trying say, when I said this: since we are all broken down to races, I will define race as, traits or looks that is peculiar to a certain group of people at a particular time in history. You mean, the Duch in the 18th century, who were clogs (picture attached), were a different race from the Dutch today? Maybe your definition isn't that vague, but if definitely is incorrect. By the way, you still haven't defined racism. Could you tell me what is wrong with the definition of racism I presented and especially where the foolishness lies. I don't really appreciate these kind of slurs To O-B-J @9-2-5, who are the fools that claim we are all guilty? Toshman and his friend argument and there likes. Where exactly have I said that we are all guilty? From many of your post I 've come across in Naialand, am sure that you are very aware of the history and the incipience of what we call race today, then I failed to see why you can't grasp what my definition is all about, or is still arrogance that is play, I would rather not call it ignorance, in the future try to be a little extempore in your approach, be open to new ideas, why would I be blamed for saying this:
[SNIP] See above. Your definition is practically useless. And I am open to new ideas, I even learned quite a few things from Drusilla, but unfortunately those ideas needn't be void of content for me to be open to them. One can be so open minded that his brain practically falls out. The things you said I said withen this post that made you to claim that am shooting in your direction couldn't have been funnier, you Analise your statements yourself, is it not mendacious, collude and misleading for you to claim that white people are racist towards black people because the whiteman has power over the well being of black people, the other instances I made in the post above you can not contest, for sure you can't.
I'm sorry, but these grammatical contructs are way above my head to understand. Power is an essential ingredient of racism, be it individual power in cases of individual racism or systemic power in cases of systemic racism. |
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toshmann (m)
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To O-B-J
Toshman and his friend argument and there likes.
racism is rooted in internal hatred for some one else for no other reason than the fact that the person belongs to a hated race. ipso facto, there are people, today, who are guilty of this charge, and these people are present in virtually every race. drusilla finally admitted, after intensive and rational argument, that the white man, though the most notorious of racists, is not the only racist. and we really do need to be civilised when arguing. why use strong negative words on people with opposing views? anyway, your utterances in nairaland, seem to me, to be those of one with a strong hatred for the white race (understandably though) but unfortunately, that makes u racist. sorry to say this. |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To toshman racism is rooted in internal hatred for some one else for no other reason than the fact that the person belongs to a hated race. ipso facto, there are people, today, who are guilty of this charge, and these people are present in virtually every race.
drusilla finally admitted, after intensive and rational argument, that the white man, though the most notorious of racists, is not the only racist.
and we really do need to be civilised when arguing. why use strong negative words on people with opposing views?
anyway, your utterances in nairaland, seem to me, to be those of one with a strong hatred for the white race (understandably though) but unfortunately, that makes u racist. sorry to say this.
What you mean by being civilized to me, means cow shxt, let me give you some advice, you should go to White supremacy forum to tell them to be civilized and quit displaying your ignorance here my brother, cause I couldn't careless, do I look like I care. |
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