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ernal (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #32 on: November 21, 2008, 01:00 AM »

damola u make alot of sense.

Education is the key! make dem educate the people on taxes! anyways to me i dont care! Fashola or no Fashola! there are many people who will do better and more civilized way.I dont like all these fashola song praise,na him money ni abi him no collect salary.

Lets just do the right thing and educate our people! Awareness!!!
RevMallam
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #33 on: November 21, 2008, 01:12 AM »

The problem with Nigerian is that they want it both ways. They want a good country and everything for "free" provided for by the  "government". Yet, when anyone tries to implement those, they complain.
Well, here in America, if you don't pay your tax, you get thrown in jail. Your Car, House and anything of value that you own gets taken by the government and auctioned off at whatever price the government can get for it. If after selling your stuff and they did not make enough money, you owe the balance.
Tax evasion is a serious crime that ruins your credit and that's just the start of your problems. With a ruined credit, you can not get a "good job". If they government convicts you of a felony, which tax evasion is, then you will not be able to vote again in many states.
They should stay shut down till they pay their taxes. While they are it, they should go after BBC, CNN etc. Fact is they doing business without paying taxes.
Wake Nigerians.
Revmallam
Kobojunkie
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #34 on: November 21, 2008, 01:14 AM »

Quote from: damola1 on November 21, 2008, 12:02 AM
Including all the banks, were in default?,

Someone really need to sue the govt. to court of misconduct!

You do have very valid points here. People need to be educated on not just the importance but the hows. Now that I think of it, I think it is possiible that many of them never really knew they NEEDED to pay their taxes.  lol


Quote from: RevMallam on November 21, 2008, 01:12 AM
The problem with Nigerian is that they want it both ways. They want a good country and everything for "free" provided for by the "government". Yet, when anyone tries to implement those, they complain.
Well, here in America, if you don't pay your tax, you get thrown in jail. Your Car, House and anything of value that you own gets taken by the government and auctioned off at whatever price the government can get for it. If after selling your stuff and they did not make enough money, you owe the balance.
Tax evasion is a serious crime that ruins your credit and that's just the start of your problems. With a ruined credit, you can not get a "good job". If they government convicts you of a felony, which tax evasion is, then you will not be able to vote again in many states.
They should stay shut down till they pay their taxes. While they are it, they should go after BBC, CNN etc. Fact is they doing business without paying taxes.
Wake Nigerians.
Revmallam

Apart from the fact that we are afraid of the IRS man, the reason we pay our taxes is because we know we have to, if we want to continue enjoying good government. Most in Nigeria do not even know the essence of paying taxes, and many do not even know how.
RevMallam
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #35 on: November 21, 2008, 01:25 AM »

Change begins with one person and then spreads. Ribadu like or hate him initiated change, but the media who were the main beneficiaries  of the hanky panky in the country went after him and destroyed him with the help of our so called indicise president.
Maybe, Fashola is starting a new revolution and should be encouraged.
One of the major problems facing Nigeria today is that we have no examplelary states to follow. Maybe, Lagos may turn out to be that state.
Revmallam
damola1
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #36 on: November 21, 2008, 01:29 AM »

@ mallam.

You have to look afar, and see how well this will work, don't just hope and dream, u need to digest things more deeply.

If he cannot carry people along, he's bound to fail!,  I repeat, bound to fail.

I still laugh at his beautifucation excercise, I remember, years ago, tinubu tried it under the bridge in Ikeja, he just fenced it with iron and all that, in less than a few weeks it's brought down, because he didn't provide any means for the existing in habitants . The same thing he's doing now.

I really am leaving to rest now.

Kobojunkie
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #37 on: November 21, 2008, 01:39 AM »

@Mallam, I am not against paying taxes but at least we need to make sure everyone is educated on the how and the why before we start to punish them for not paying their bill. We get educated here on why and how, why not the same in Lagos?
must_a_far
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #38 on: November 21, 2008, 01:49 AM »

is it proven that they werent notified of impending closure? have they been previously paying on time and just forget this one time? have they simply ignored the call to remit their taxes?
Kobojunkie
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #39 on: November 21, 2008, 02:00 AM »

Quote from: must_a_far on November 21, 2008, 01:49 AM
is it proven that they werent notified of impending closure? have they been previously paying on time and just forget this one time? have they simply ignored the call to remit their taxes?

Mystery for me.
Ndipe (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #40 on: November 21, 2008, 02:07 AM »

It should be give and take. I pay taxes, and in return the government provides me with basic necessities like constant electricity, ample water supply and security. One cant be paying taxes in Nigeria and still have to depend to private generator, private borehole and all it's likes. Is that not fair enough?
roodest
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #41 on: November 21, 2008, 02:16 AM »

damola i concur with you on most issues.
educate and engage the traders first,  so they understand the tax process and why it is essential to pay, 
althought the govt. claims to have good intentions, the end oughtta justify the means.
it'll be a shame if the govt just gathers enough dough from these traders and say " oh ok,  you can all go about your business like nothing happen"
i bet you then the traders will find ways to go around the acts and not pay, 

it IS the responsibility of any leadership to educate and sensitize the minds of its followers and not bully them into corners all the time.
yes the beautification process is welcome ,  yes brt is a feeble but good start in the attempt to solve transportation issues.
yes the govt needs tax as revenue to oil the development process. but man,  let's start from the basics,  developing our own minds first so we may identify and analyze our problems (and successes) so as to propose adequate solutions and maybe anticipate future challenges that may come our way in the future.

GODSPEED Nigeria,  let's not give up but let's try to do it right.
RevMallam
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #42 on: November 21, 2008, 02:29 AM »

Nigerians don't want change, simple and short.
Every change that has been tried failed becuase Nigerians failed to rally around the initiator. They simply complained and complained and wrote about "how things work in foreign lands" but try it in their own country; hell no.
Growing up several years in Nigeria, Students Unions used to initiate change by taking to the streets. These days, they are more interested in cults, but yet they complain.
Left to me, Nigerian should be flogged 12 times daily till they shape up.!!
revmallam
adconline (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #43 on: November 21, 2008, 02:38 AM »

folks who have never had a barber or moi moi shop  are praising that unfortunate decision from a power hungry governor. How about pressing charges against those who evade taxes instead of closing an entire market?  In developed countries they charge you for tax evasion. What happens to innocent until proven guilty. Its easier to run our hands and mouths on this forum than running a Keke Napep . Take a reality pill folks.
ayomorocco (f)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #44 on: November 21, 2008, 03:50 AM »

Quote from: Ndipe on November 21, 2008, 02:07 AM
It should be give and take. I pay taxes, and in return the government provides me with basic necessities like constant electricity, ample water supply and security. One can't be paying taxes in Nigeria and still have to depend to private generator, private borehole and all it's likes. Is that not fair enough?

God bless you Ndipe. I logged on to say the exact same thing.

Yes in the developed world, taxes are paid, but in exchange, you have the basic amenities of life - Electricity, Good Roads (and traffic lights as well as road lights), Running Water, Reliable Fire Brigade, Good Police, Decent Education System, Working Public Transport System (and in places like the UK Free Health Service AND an allowance for unemployed and disabled people). How many of these does our dear Nigeria provide?

I am all for paying taxes, but they come with a corresponding duty on the part of the government. As things stand, the poor masses would be squeezed for the tax only for some greedy bastard to cart away the money in Ghana must Go bags for his personal use. The painful thing is that in the past, Nigeria had most of these things and instead of advancing, we have clearly regressed. Giant of Africa my friggin Arse.
nuzo (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #45 on: November 21, 2008, 04:20 AM »

I would have loved it if the closure was for the traders to relocate to the new site assigned to them, the current computer village i know is a disaster.
On the other hand, I do appreciate and know the essence of paying taxes and how it works for people in other parts of the world, but in nigeria; i simply don't get the reason why people should pay tax since it doesnt reflect on the areas it's suppose to.

All said and done, i do hope Fashola uses this opportunity to relocate the computer village to her permanent site if he's really serious about his vision of beautifying and keeping lagos in order and of course getting his tax.
If he's able to relocate them, he also should be able to provide the necessary physical and social infrastructures needed in a 21th century trading environment. With these in place, only a dumb and unreasonable person will like to evade tax. Right now, the whole traders in computer village can't be unreasonable given the inhumanely environment they trade in.

To whom much is given, much is expected. Cool
lucabrasi (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #46 on: November 21, 2008, 05:18 AM »

what more education should the govt give with the amount of publicity given  on the importance of paying taxes,a workshop/ symposium was organised and shown repeatedly on ait and other tv stations,even on ait international in all languages,the government sensitised lagos state citizens on the importance of paying tax so the people of computer village had no excuse, its only in nigeria that a busines area making millions of dollars turnover monthly will refuse to pay tax and i fully support fashola shutting the shops down,i dont think the whole place can be shut down because people live within the streets criss crossing in and out of the village
pritypeety (f)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #47 on: November 21, 2008, 05:32 AM »

Damola I really appreciate on your contributions they make real sense.
Now the fact about this whole case is that our beloved country is based on only lies, fraud and insincerity.
Have you ever seen were a goat is giving birth to a monkey or were a planted maze germinated rice?
Don't you know that what goes round comes round? The so called rich people are the ones ruining the nation and u want the medium and low classes to suffer for their stupidity and reckless embezzlement and spending?
How can you convince a typical Nigerian to pay tax when he or she believes that is another method of you collecting money from them irrespective of what fashola is doing?
Nigeria is corrupt and every Nigerian knows that. Its been like that for ages and it only takes the grace of God to change that country or else the next 100 years Nigeria will remain the way it is now. It's only in Nigeria that only the poor pay taxes. Will Lagos state governor tell me that he is being fair?
If he starts with those top people in that state by throwing them in prison for not paying their task then I think the masses will obey.
Dr Kitaun
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #48 on: November 21, 2008, 05:45 AM »

Quote from: pritypeety on November 21, 2008, 05:32 AM
Damola I really appreciate on your contributions they make real sense.
Now the fact about this whole case is that our beloved country is based on only lies, fraud and insincerity.
Have you ever seen were a goat is giving birth to a monkey or were a planted maze germinated rice?
Don't you know that what goes round comes round? The so called rich people are the ones ruining the nation and u want the medium and low classes to suffer for their stupidity and reckless embezzlement and spending?
How can you convince a typical Nigerian to pay tax when he or she believes that is another method of you collecting money from them irrespective of the  what fashola is doing?
Nigeria is corrupt and every Nigerian knows that. Its been like that for ages and it only takes the grace of God to change that country or else in the next 100 years Nigeria will remain the way it is. It is only in Nigeria that only the poor pay taxes. Will Lagos state governor tell me that he is being fair?
If he starts with those top people in that state by throwing them in prison for not paying their task then I think the masses will obey.

















atimes I wonder how y'all reason  Shocked

the very 1st thing Fashola hammered on was that LAGOSIANS MUST PAY TAX TO MOVE THE STATE FORWARD !

dont be dumb . . .all stakeholders, including grassroots leaders met and agreed on the need to re-orientate the people on the need to make Lagosians pay their taxes, anyone saying Lagosians were not duly intimated on this is just playing the clown, didnt even Oba Akiolu do TV and Radio ads to burtress this ? FOR HOW LONG TO WE HOPE TO EXPECT RESULTS WHEN WE DO THINGS WRONGLY ?

MR DAMOLA

you claim to be a student  . . .discipline please ?

you feel so cool with your just criticizing BRF cos he closed Computer Village . . .wait for it ! THE TRADERS PLYING THEIR TRADE ARE DOING SO ON BORROWED TIME !  Tongue or dont you know that the place had been closed down before ?

how can you expect progress when you feel that everything about the country, state or govts are corrupt ? who told you that these advanced countries that you love to yap about dont have their own challenges ? na wa o /
@tomX (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #49 on: November 21, 2008, 06:20 AM »

Closing down the whole computer village is certainly not the way to go. Some Shops definitely pay taxes and lets not forget VAT  that consumers pay on their goods.

Computer village is a phenomenon and should be encouraged by the government. They could even start by giving some form of tax incentive or tax hollidays to the traders in the zone  (both to encourage more traders to come to the zone and to buy adequate time to work out a sensible taxation system for the zone).
There should be proper registration and monitoring of all shops in the zone (bank statements should be scrutinised) to determine how much they should pay as taxes when the tax holliday is over.
Then the government can zero in on the individual traders and tax them appropriately and penalise any defaulters.

We need the computer village to stay open.
pritypeety (f)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #50 on: November 21, 2008, 06:49 AM »

Dr Kitaun
You said "all stakeholders, including grassroots leaders met and agreed on the need to re-orientate the people on the need to make Lagosians pay their taxes," that is only the masses my dear not they themselves as an individual. these people will they tell me they pay theirs diligently and truthfully?
When the devil wants to get out something from u he comes with few truths and many of lies. am not saying your highly celebrated Governor is a devil but i will tell u it takes only the grace of God to convince these innocent Nigerians for them to trust the government. These people has been cheated for years and know that only medium and low classes suffer for everything. It wil take a very long process is what i was saying. Even though these highly placed people decides to pay their taxes of which I know they wont pay diligently only few foreign companies pay, the masses will still not trust. What am i even saying? they can't pay and might not pay till they die. A long fraudulence that has been happening in the nation and u think one person will make the difference in just one year?

kaymode (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #51 on: November 21, 2008, 06:54 AM »

@ Damola1,
I'm really surprised to hear you speak this way.
You sound educated but I'm sorry you are an illiterate.
What other campaign do you want on you to pay your Tax.Being the kind of people Nigerians are,they would never pay except if stringent measures are taken.
Well i guess we all can't have the same opinion.
But if u have a better way of the Government going about it,say it! and let the house decide if it would work,rather than crucifying the Governor.
it is people like you that drive against traffic and if they impound your vehicle you blame the Governor.
Would Nigeria ever get better if we all keep living like this.
God Help Us
cabali (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #52 on: November 21, 2008, 07:56 AM »

It took a thread on tax to reveal how retarded a lot of people living in lagos are.

How someone will see the development in lagos going on, refuse to pay tax, and give reasons to justify that baffles me to the fullest.

If those at the village dont pay up, I will not only close it down, I will hunt the idiots down.

And those of you blabbing here abt the government being wrong, best not have tax you owe else you'll be the next!!
Builder
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #53 on: November 21, 2008, 07:59 AM »

lol, Fashola no doubt is an idiot, he is so low he even resort to digging a hole for himself. In a city where there is mass unemployment he is using tax evasion excuse of making his electorates life a misery,  but  isnt the  revenue and customs responsible for the collection, implimentation of Excise duties.
Insurance Premium Tax. Petroleum Revenue Tax. Stamp Duty. Stamp Duty Reserve Tax. VAT. and company tax amongst other?

I honestly and i mean it, i really dont know what this man thinks his priority lies  neither do i understand or appreaciate what he is doing, . That man's priorty should be job creeation and restoring order and discipline, bringing investment but instead the twat is busy misplacing his priorities  and making peoples life a misery just like others before him.

But then again, the fool was selected, he has not got the ability nor the understanding of duties of a Governor,  well atleast he understands the embezzlement and corruption bit
cabali (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #54 on: November 21, 2008, 08:04 AM »

another retarded post!!!

Someone save us from unintelligence pls!!
saintneo
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #55 on: November 21, 2008, 08:27 AM »

First, I am an Igbo guy.
About this tax issue, I believe the area should taxed, but I would want the tax to be used in making area and entire Lagos more business friendly.
LASG should provide better roads, better transportation in all places not just on high streets, better business and economic climate and push out agboros from Lagos.
holyeye (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #56 on: November 21, 2008, 08:57 AM »

@ Damola,

No one here has presented the facts as to what really transpired between the traders and Lagos State Government.
How sure are we that an ultimatum was not set for them to comply?
Talking about education, the sporadic and continous jingles and adverts on radio and TV sensitizing the populace on the importance of paying tax and strict adherance to the policy - what is that called?
I believe it is high time the government took effective census of fixed stores in that market, do a temporary re-planning that is if that place will continue to be their base. Though it is impossible to ascertain the exact number of traders in there due to the daily increase in squatter and makeshift kiosks.
DO you think these guys don't know what taxation is all about? What do you call the weekly contribution that they pay to the miscreants and touts sent by community heads? These community heads make billions monthly at the expense of the government.
I had a gruel with Fashola too early last year when i was told to pay 13% monthly as tax under the new tax laws. I looked through the article that was given to me and i saw reason to pay.
Blue Chip firms have fallen under the hammer of this administration too for evading tax. Thus computer village aint the first and it won't be the last. Change has come to Lagos State and it must stay.
Dissociate yourself from this mindset and belief that the respected Gov. has erred in anyway.
This is not to say that the Govt. is absolved of all wrongdoings. They have their inadequacies and paucities too.
Let us co-join hands to make Lagos a better place.
Eko o ni baje.
swoosh (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #57 on: November 21, 2008, 08:59 AM »

Some people simply post garbage here. You want good roods, security and all that- yet you think the govt should not tax? Im so pissed with some of the babbling here. Government ought to move to a postion where people are jailed for tax evasion. I understnd the argumemnt that tax payers' money get squandered (ironically most of the people that say this dont even pay tax) but in Lagos at least we can see what Fashola is doing with the money

Pay your Tax!

and for those of you who dont even pay tax- SHUT UP!
coolsegun
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #58 on: November 21, 2008, 09:12 AM »

@Builder
Let us try to control our tongue pls. What makes him an idiot is what i don't know.
Yaradua promised to improve power sector by declearing state of emergency in power sector, but nothing is heard again about it, so what do you now call him?

@poster
if government shout till tomorrow we won't do anything until action is taken against it.
So let us try to participate in the affairs of the state and country at large, then if government refuse to do what they promise or suppose to do, we can call for their heads after it's our money they are using.
damola1
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #59 on: November 21, 2008, 09:18 AM »

Tax payment is very important for the development of Lagos and eventually Nigeria.

But there's a process. Let fashola stop behaving like a tout. Let him close stores that don't pay.  WHy did he close UBA, ZENITH BANK, or don't you know they are all in computer village?

Plus if he's going to continue collecting tax, he needs to account for every single kobo. I don't see that system of accountability yet, I need to be sure fashola won't use it to fix obanikoro in 3yrs time,  not all this jamboree style.

And let him stop planting flowers, no be dat one I wan chop, let him fix electricity first, or something that's very important. Na person wey chop well go find reason beautiful hin environment.
smartsoft (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #60 on: November 21, 2008, 09:27 AM »

abeg make him dem go pay tax o jare,  how some peeps go they pay and why some peeps no go dey pay huh ?? dem dey deduct my own tax levi for office too,
lobinoxebe (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #61 on: November 21, 2008, 09:31 AM »

i was there yesterday to get a UPS and also to change my Ink and the whole place was filled with armed police men, Some people were even inside Black Maria,


I think LAgos state is now doing the right thing jare

Lagos state should please act fast  on this issue of tax and enable us continue our daily business
kumbalo (m)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #62 on: November 21, 2008, 09:40 AM »

I learnt the market was shut down not only because of tax evasion but also for some environmental sanitation offenses. i think it's a decision in the right direction as the govt had severally sensitized the occupants about the importance of a clean environment and the need to pay tax.

I believe they never expected this considering the fact that they were not used to paying tax. . . they must have been counting their  losses; now they would learn their lessons Grin Grin Grin 
Adexy001 (f)
Re: Entire Computer Village Shut Down Over Tax
« #63 on: November 21, 2008, 09:43 AM »

@ Demola,

Pls do u have a shop at Computer village? People like you complain about Naija not developing but you would never fulfil your obligations. Why dont u pay your tax first before you start thinking about the govt using your money to send their girl friends to America? U go go another man's country dey pay through tax for every single thing so that they can develop their counrty; here u are blabbing hopes and wasting precious NL time with your posts. Go pay your tax jo!!! Eko o ni baje o.

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