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KunleOshob (m)
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@olabowale,
Jesus or no Jesus, Mohammed or no Muhammed- the earlier you realise the better:GOD DID NOT CREATE ANY RELIGION.
Most of us THE BLACK race are just too inferior with what we have as our own to adopt other peoples' culture and religion.
We have our own culture and our religion,why can't we make those one work for us?
Even the religion you adopted,you cannot even proof it as the best.
I am suprised that you are taking this stance given your previous stance on religious doctrines that we have debated several times on this forum. If God did not create any religion, how do you explain Exodus 20:3 which says: Worship no other God but me. Or better still what is your definition of religion? |
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Aunty Mary (f)
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My sister but we read it in the bible where Jesus said "ask the father in my name and He will do it". Do you think that we should be making our request in our own name based on the knowledge that we are one with God? He even said that no one can come to the Father except through him? Now what are we to do  as you know, the bible was written hundreds of yrs after the death of christ by ppl with different agenda's all claiming to have been inspired by God. but i tell u, in as much as jesus was a highly spiritually evolved being which is evident from the love he showed all and the 'miracles' he performed, he cud not have said that cos he wud hav known better and if indeed he made those statements then tgat wud automatically call his authenticity to question cos both statements are BLOODY LIES! how else where the 'powers that be' supposed to control the ppl using religion if these statements were not added to the scriptures? what then wud have been the thread that followers needed to hang on to inorder to be loyal to christianity and its teachings if they were told that jesus was not a prerequisite for communion with the divine? at the end of the day Kola, NO ONE really knows the truth (although its obvious when its a lie!), we can only engage reason/common logic when analysing religious teachings, or infact teachings of any kind, i do not mean to belittle your beliefs cos one's beliefs are as important as life itself , so pls hold on tight to your belief in the bible if it serves you.  |
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kola oloye (m)
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I am suprised that you are taking this stance given your previous stance on religious doctrines that we have debated several times on this forum. If God did not create any religion, how do you explain Exodus 20:3 which says: Worship no other God but me. Or better still what is your definition of religion?
DEFINITION OF RELIGION 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion. |
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KunleOshob (m)
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DEFINITION OF RELIGION
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation
of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a
moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
The highlighted can be likened to worship which was instructed in Exodus 20:3 so why are you raising doubts if God created religion? |
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kola oloye (m)
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Exodus 20
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in
the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity
of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter,
hy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:
wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant,
nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking:
and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep,
and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.
26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.
@ Kunle,
The scriptures above did not say anything about christianity as a religion from GOD. Or is there anything am missing?
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Alam-Tara
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The question above is very simple:did God create or institute any religion?
If yes which one and prove yourself beyond reasonable doubt. It depends where you are viewing it from!!! But to me God created or was instrumental in instituting ALL RELIGIONS. The Qur'an tells us that "Allah created all of us from a single man and woman and he created us into nations and tribes and he created the variations in our languages and tongues. He created us different not for us to despise and fight one another but for us to learn from and help one another" Holy Qur'an Sura Al Hujurat-Chapter 49 Verse 13 The Bible tells us that "the life is in the blood." Medicine has taught us that there are different blood groups and blood types. Therefore the very life that we live is different in all aspects. A blood type 0 cannot use a blood type A. We are different. Let us learn from one another!!! Alas some people are so inconsiderate of other peoples feelings. It is becos some people think their own life, their own blood , their own religion is the best that is why we hear " burn, baby, burn, " In the end all wars political or religious are fought for money. Money is the one true universal religion. |
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KunleOshob (m)
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Exodus 20
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Well could you explain what having another god means. In my understanding having a god means worshipping a god. @ Kunle,
The scriptures above did not say anything about christianity as a religion from GOD. Or is there anything am missing?
Another issue that causes confusion in the bible is that of translation, some other translations state that"thou shall worship no other god but me" That apart there are several instructions for worship and sacrificial offerings in the books of leviticus, exodus and deuteronomy. These instructions are meant to have been instructed by God for his worship. Would you not call the instructions a religious practise? |
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kola oloye (m)
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That apart there are several instructions for worship and sacrificial offerings in the books of leviticus, exodus and deuteronomy. These instructions are meant to have been instructed by God for his worship. Would you not call the instructions a religious practise?
In other words the religion you are very sure of that comes from God is Christianity. Are the Christians of this day worshipping him according to the instruction also what do you think of those people in other religions? |
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KunleOshob (m)
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In other words the religion you are very sure of that comes from God is Christianity. Are the Christians of this day worshipping him according to the instruction also what do you think of those people in other religions?
Well this brings us to the issue of "the great commission" what exactly does it mean? was it an instruction to start a new religion or just an instruction to abide by the teachings of christ. Let us examine it Matthew 28:18-20: 18Jesus approached and, [a]breaking the silence, said to them, All authority (all power of rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Go then and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them [b]into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20Teaching them to observe everything that I have commanded you, and behold, I am with you [c]all the days ([d]perpetually, uniformly, and on every occasion), to the [very] close and consummation of the age. [e]Amen (so let it be). Mark 16:15-18: 15And He said to them, Go into all the world and preach and publish openly the good news (the Gospel) to every creature [of the whole [a]human race]. 16He who believes [who adheres to and trusts in and relies on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] and is baptized will be saved [[b]from the penalty of eternal death]; but he who does not believe [who does not adhere to and trust in and rely on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] will be condemned. 17And these attesting signs will accompany those who believe: in My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages; 18They will pick up serpents; and [even] if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will get well. Now i believe the answer to the poser i raised previously is this: What exactly is the true gospel and commandments of Jesus christ and does adhering to this gospel translate into a religion? All true christians must be able to answer this fundermental question. |
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kola oloye (m)
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Surprise,surprise, surprise  Do you know that the more i investigated this issue the more i became confused. The General,Olabowale proved to us that Islam is the only religion ordained by God (Allah) The Apostle,KunleOshob stood his ground that the true religion is Christianity BUT only 2 days ago i read in the book of Mormon (Mormon scripture) that the only religion that leads to God is through their mode of worship. To me every book is protecting its own integrity. NOW, DO YOU THINK GOD ACTUALLY CREATED OR APPROVED ALL THESE RELIGIONS TO CAUSE CONFUSION? |
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MrCrackles (m)
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Religious issues don tire me ooo!   To me every book is protecting its own integrity.
I agree with the line above!
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Okija_juju (m)
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@ Topic
I wonder o!!
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jagunlabi (m)
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Man creates religions,not God.And that is why there are so many of them.
But the seeming confusion is good because it adds more to the diversity of the already diverse creation.
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fatezy (m)
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To know whether God created any religion, u av to get to the origins of these religions. I know mainly about 2 so i'd compare them.
Christianity was started by Jesus. He preached d belief in God and obedience of his commandments as given by Moses and used miracles to show he is from God. 1 thing though, he never called d religion a name, d name was given after he was gone.
The second is Islam, started by Mohammed. He said it was from God also. He preached the believe in God and also obedience of d commandments. A diff though was that he gave d religion a name & structure. It also dictates au d followers r to serve God unlike those brought by "prophets" before him.
Based on dis, i'd like to think islam was instigated by God. Just my opinion though & pls correct me if i've got any fact missed up
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Ascony (m)
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DID GOD CREATE ANY RELIGION? No
THEN WHO DID? Man
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geerufus
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 Its just disheartening the way we take religion in this country. I think its now time for govt to bomb all these "PENTERASCAL" churches and jail their founders before they cause further destruction and commit more atrocities in the society. Watch this video on Youtube to see wot I'm talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY8fVBc6pbMI want yur comments on dis.
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oluwdashmi (f)
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Hi Kola,
No, God did not create any religion and will not judge by any, but the Christian religion started after Jesus had departed into heaven and his disciples took up the gospel work. They were first called CHRISTIANS in Acts 11: 26. That means 'the Christs like' cos they did and acted like Jesus Christ.
Jesus also said in John 14:6 that 'I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except true me'. This is one reason Christians go to God through Jesus.
The more question you ask about religion, the more confused you will be, so I advise that you just maintain your faith and do your best to serve and fear God, love your neighbour, help the needy and let moderation reflect in your everyday life.
Shalom.
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kola oloye (m)
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Hi Kola,
No, God did not create any religion and will not judge by any, but the Christian religion started after Jesus had departed into heaven and his disciples took up the gospel work. They were first called CHRISTIANS in Acts 11: 26. That means 'the Christs like' cos they did and acted like Jesus Christ.
Jesus also said in John 14:6 that 'I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except true me'. This is one reason Christians go to God through Jesus.
The more question you ask about religion, the more confused you will be, so I advise that you just maintain your faith and do your best to serve and fear God, love your neighbour, help the needy and let moderation reflect in your everyday life.
Shalom.
THANK you very much. Can't we live without religion? |
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May kelly (f)
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Dear kola, my opinion is yes. God did create a religion when He said "this is my beloved son" and also God said "for God so loved the world that He gave His only son , , , , whosoever believes in Him whill not perish, , , , , so those who did not believe in thy Lord Jesus Christ are not in God's view of worship. think about this too  |
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Horus (m)
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Religion has just enough truth in it to sell people on the deception of it. With Religion in our heads and hearts, We People of African Descent do little more than just mark time and go backward, mark time and go backwards, mark time and go backwards, mentally, spiritually, and physically as far as liberation is concerned. Another thing, We must not let a few successful Black People give the rest of us African People the wrong impression, for most people of us are still in the so - called ghettoes, bottoms, and slums, and will be there until we embrace OUR OWN TRUE SPIRITUAL SCIENCE AND POWERS. Religion has deceived and failed The African Race and made us SUBSERVIENT to other ethnic races.
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kola oloye (m)
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May GOD give us Understanding As never before.
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May kelly (f)
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Yes GOD did create a religion and that is:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth. Philippians 2:10
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May kelly (f)
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But only the Religion that call and speak in the name of Jesus
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23
Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; Ephesians 5:20
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; Philippians 2:10
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. Colossians 3:17
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Ogaga4Luv (m)
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Maykelly. . . seek for proper knowledge instead of beating your chest you know everything. . . ,why are you so hard to learn. . .? Huh?? did you realise so far you cant do without the bible and for all that so called book is also by men. i love contributing on this kind of thread: the question is simple as A.B.C so dont get it twisted please.
Stop & Think: Did God Create Any Religion? .NO no,religion is manmaid and even the entity ((god)) is also manmaid so please dont tell me what i know.
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May kelly (f)
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[i]Maykelly. . . seek for proper knowledge . . ,why please.
[ Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed 1 Samuel 2:3 Shall any teach God knowledge? seeing he judgeth those that are high. Job 21:22 |
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Ogaga4Luv (m)
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Maykelly. . .why do you feel or think im a proud person. . .?huh?? peherps you're the one who cant just do without calling me all source of names such as Evil this. . Evil that! simply because im expressing my heart towards reality.by the way what do you mean by God? sorry for it has been known to me you dont even understand how god came to be in exsistance my strange preacher. . .please i demand you keep your Bible out my pennis,keep your hiding((God)) out of my sight.
i recommend you practice this i.e if you can find it helpful since you keep singing you're a child of God and wanna be like em.
Kill a man, and you are an assassin. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone, and you are a god.
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May kelly (f)
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boy, stop accusing yourself, stop tormenting yourself, get wisdom; you lack wisdom and understanding Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.Proverbs 4:7 |
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Ogaga4Luv (m)
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Oh no. . .She cant just for goodness sake do or share anything without opening the bible , i wonder the way you know the gospel but not really,how can you tell me you're not out of your senses by practicing whats written inside the bible and you know 90 % are pure Contradictions leading even you astray.?, misdirecting you to another wrong direction instead of your real destination.
she's here claiming. . . . 
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May kelly (f)
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here you go again tormenting your own self - Accept Lord Jesus and STOP the torment The shoes you are wearing are bigger than you think - take off the bad shoes |
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Ogaga4Luv (m)
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Maykelly. . . . Its to your advantage to agree with statements that incidentally improve your position. This tactic is meant to make you pause when someone makes a statement that, upon first hearing it, sounds like an attack. This is especially important if you feel compelled to argue with the statement because it is false, misleading or emotionally charged.
For example, if someone says something like:
“Well, OGAGA is ((Satanist)) and his belief systems lead to genocide!. . .”
There are many valid ways of responding to such a claim my dear ,Instead, consider embracing the argument and making it your own. Your opponent is condemning mass murder and genocide — that’s a sentiment worth agreeing with! And it turns out to be an excellent point of condemnation against the Christian (((God))).
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agathamari (f)
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there is one theory i was taught in college. all the worlds gods are really one god. the difference is the cultural moral codes associated with each religion
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RichyBlacK (m)
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ALL religions are man-made paths to one destination.
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