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zebudaya (m)
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zeby,
lagos state (population ~ 15 million) has a sizeable number of christains and muslims. how many religious riots have u heard from there?
so you justify the invasion of iraq with the theory that hussein would have armed hizbolla. listen to yourself brother. check out all the lives that have been lost in that iraq. all started by the invasion. listen again to yourself. u mean it is just?
Toshmann Most Muslims in Lagos are Yoruba, they are not Hausa and are not Arab. The average Yoruba muslim in Lagos would not strap himself with a bomb and blow himself up for whatever reason! so i think we are comparing apples and oranges over here. Kaduna is a very good example half muslim/half christian any peace? Any way I would clarify what I meant by saying show me any country where muslims have a sizeable population, political control, and sizeable religious minority. They can't co-exist with others. Yes I truly believe saddam would have funded hezbollah and hamas and given them missiles just to spite the US and israel. Just like Iran, syria and saudi are doing right now
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toshmann (m)
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@zeb, now u've changed the position. however check tanzania. it is a country with an almost 50-50 christain muslim population. it has been peaceful historically. most of those middle east countries have been taken over by terrorists but don't extend terrorism to muslims, otherwise u justify those who strongly believe nigeria is a country of hoodlums and scammers. peace 
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Jackal (m)
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@toshmann, I know its sad but u have to agree that Muslims and Terrorism go hand in hand . There's no point in trying to be diplomatic about glaring facts. Can u honestly tell me what comes to your mind when u hear of a terrorist plot or attacks in the UK or the US? Its right on our faces and we all know the perpetrators/culprits are muslims/arabs. My mind tells me there's a direct relationship between Islam and violence. How many churches got burnt by Muslims in Northern Nigeria in the wake of the Muhammad's cartoon? Isn't it weird that a cartoon printed in Denmark would cause chaos and anarchy in faraway Nigeria? What about the violent riots prior to the miss world paegent show that was supposed to be held in Nigeria? The list is endless.
In fairness, not all Muslims are terrorists but one must admit all Terrorists are Muslims. Why do u think the British authorities are considering passenger profiling at Heathrow airport. Any dude with an islamic name will be subjected to more security checks at the airports because they are the ones always strapping bombs and explosive chemicals to maim innocent people. Take it or leave it, Islamic clerics need to do more in edifying muslim brothers to abstain violence. I strongly believe they are not doing enough and majority of them preach violence on the streets of UK. A classic example is Abu Hamza(The Hook-man). He holds public rallies in London and tell his entities to kill the infidels(Westerners). Hamza helped to create an atmosphere in which to KILL has become regarded by some MUSLIMS as not only a legitimate course but a MORAL and RELIGIOUS duty in pursuit of perceived justice.
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Mariory (m)
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FYI. Abu Hamza was deported by the Home Office a while back.
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Jackal (m)
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@ Mariory, Stop mis-informing the public. Sometimes its better to tape it shut than say what u know nothing about.
Abu Hamza is currently serving a 7-year jail sentence in Belmarsh Prison in London. He was supposed to be extradited to Yemen for bomb-plots but UK being a member state of the European Union is party to an agreement whereby extradition must be refused to any country which has the death penalty and where the suspect is to be tried in a capital case.
UK did not comply with the Yemen authorities because they fear Hamza will not get a fair trial. Hamza is a naturalised British citizen although the procedures of removing his citizenship has begun but it will take a long time to reach that decison because of the judicial review involved.
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O-B-J (f)
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[quote author=toshmann link=topic=20229.msg567142#msg567142 date=1155678863 most of those middle east countries have been taken over by terrorists but don't extend terrorism to muslims, otherwise u justify those who strongly believe nigeria is a country of hoodlums and scammers. peace  @zeb, how do u think those decent muslims would feel when they are suspected unnecessarily. just imagine a responsible black guy visiting somewhere and everbody suddenly gets careful about their purse. that's how reasonable muslims must feel if we treat them the way u suggest. and that wont help terrorism. b/c we need responsible muslims to fight terror. remember what happened in lebanon, b/c israel could not differentiate between hizbolla and lebanese, hizbolla has now won more supporters from lebanon, and despite the infrastructural damage they seem victorious and will, believe it, get new members. so try and separate islam from terrorism, for the sake of those responsible men and women in the religion. please. 
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zebudaya (m)
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Israel never had lebanese support, and does not need it now. The so-called moderates should separate Islam from terrorism. When Bush launched a war against Iraq, American,British, French, and Italian People marched against the war. I haven't seen any march against terrorism done by the so called moderates, all i see them do is kill christians, burn flags, burn churches and scream Allah Akbar! till their lungs collapse.
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donmayor (m)
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Indonesia Bali Bombing - Muslims September 11 - Muslims July 7 - Muslims US - UK Airplane Plot - Muslims Hezbollah - Muslims Hamas - Muslims Iraq - Muslims Iran - Muslims Afghanistan - Muslims These are/were terrorist acts, states, armies and supporters Israel - Jewish, Christians, Arabs America - Jewish, Christians UK - Christians majority These are countries waging war against the first list The war is christian versus muslim. Islam does not preach tolerance whether u r talkin about moderates or fanatics. If Abaraham had not slept with Hagar, probably the world would have just had to face natural disasters and not human disasters called terrorist or muslims?  Terrorism
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toshmann (m)
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i don't know why abraham went to sleep with hagar sef. that na de original origin of all this wahala. i know know why papa abraham no fit hold hin congy. or use condom. hin see hagar e loose control. sarah encourage am. papa abraham say chei, wetin i wan do na I'm them dash me. now na we de suffer am. papa abraham na wa o  guys make una dey careful with housemaids oh. abeg.
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O-B-J (f)
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@ donmayor, hitler was a christain, napoleon christain, slave masters christains, aparthied lords christains, fidel castro christain, george bush(world's greatest threat to peace) christain, the 1st person to use weapons of mass destruction in 1945 which led to the death of over 80,000 people in one fell swoop is what--u guessed right--christain, who killed 6 million jews in the 2nd world wars? nazis, what were they? ahaaa christains.I can go on and on but donmayor, my message is, do not generalise. otherwise u will be justifying those who say that blacks are common criminals. what happened recently in the US. a woman was arrested ,embarrased only for them to announce that she is no threat to the people. what was her offence. i can tell u, she is of pakistani origin. if at any time u go somewhere and people despise you for ur color or ur business associates don't trust u b/c u are nigerian for fear of 419, u should understand,. a word is enough for the wise. nonsense 
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nilla (f)
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O-B-J you could not have said this better.
Like i said earlier if all the ignorant people like they can destroy (nuke as they said) all arabs and muslims alike and it will not solve the terrorism, hatred etc problem.
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donmayor (m)
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I'm talkin about the present war not wars fought before I was born  , And do u think if Bush had siddon look, Osama won't have been bolder by the day with financing coming from Saddam, Iran, Syria and Israel haters? What did Bush do in 2001 to provoke Osama's attack. A man of peace, Clinton, just left government. The world is composed of mad men and even though tactics used are not always right, sometimes it's just necessary to fight. And I still say that the present war is a war between christian/jews and muslims. What we are seeing now, to me, is the beginning of WWIII.
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toshmann (m)
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@don hasty generalisation is dangerous. there are reasonable muslims too and ur attitude will only push then to the other side of this struggle. israel had many supporters in lebanon before this war,but b/c they failed to carefully separate the vermins from the friends they have reduced the number of friends they had in lebanon and now have increased the number of enemies they have. they bombed christain areas in lebanon for God's sake. even a bishop in lebanon heavily criticised israel and even supported hizbolla. why? israel failed to separate enemies from non enemies. Big mistake.
so hasty generalisation is dangerous. not all muslims are involved in this business of terrorism. many are frankly against it. if i remember very well there had been some demonstrations in london by moderate muslims some months gone by during the danish cartoon era. so there are reasonable people there too.
i know how u feel, but we must be careful.
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Jakumo (m)
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Toshman those words of yours have roots in deep thought and wisdom. The more Muslims that think as you do, the closer the world, and especially the Middle East, will inch to true and lasting peace.
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donmayor (m)
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I know there are moderate muslims. One of my closest friends is a muslim. I am not tryin to generalise that all muslims are evil. What i was trying to say the war is fought by 2 different camps christian/jews and muslims. It is not all Americans that support the Iraqi war but the iraqi war was fought by American and Iraq, that is what I am tryin to say
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TayoD (m)
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@OBJ, but donmayor, my message is, do not generalise. otherwise u will be justifying those who say that blacks are common criminals. what happened recently in the US. a woman was arrested ,embarrased only for them to announce that she is no threat to the people. what was her offence. i can tell u, she is of pakistani origin. I don't know why some gouys like you just blatantly peddle lies. The woman was arrested because she carried a bottle of fluid on board. Initial tests of the bottle indicated that it contains materials for making explosives, a second test by a trained dog also arrived at the same conclusion. What do you expect security to do when people have being told not to carry anything fluid on board and this woman disobeyed? I would say arrest the hell out of her be she pakistani or isreali. Please, let's be objective in our opinions and try not to intentionally mislead others. I think there is a link to that story here: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/184364.php
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toshmann (m)
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but the lady has been embarrased publicly, i only hope they gave her public apology.
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TayoD (m)
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That is the fruit of disobedience. Wasn't she aware that she was not to take the fluid on board? She is the one that should apologise for the discomfort she brought on other travelers and consequently the cost to the airline and the airport, not to talk about the tax-payers.
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nilla (f)
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too bad, maybe she thought some people fitting a particular profile, could carry fluid on board  or she honestly forgot the new rules.
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MP007 (m)
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i GOT A question.When do u think all the aborting of terrorist plot will last? because from the way things are going, nobody is paying attention to nostrodamus's prohecies, MAY THE lord have mercy on our souls o,
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