Muslims: Are We Bad?

olaajia i copy now i wont reply to any other hypocrite again

@superman
i am one of those "baboon hausa muslims" as you so eloquently put it, and i can understand your anger to be based on your petty tribalistic disposition.

@babyosisi
you have not said anything to subdue me, and my tone is meant to impose some sort of clearheadedness to this discussion. obviously its not working. i have no problem you pasting this things because i know where you got them from the internet. they could have been issues for genuine discussion except for your insults. and you say i called you names? did that ruffle your feathers? well consider how Muhammad would have felt had he been here to see all your insults against his person.

@kamatare

the same thing happens elsewhere. the law of modern times are based on the christian canonical laws so its my right to feel free to resist aspects of it. france banished religious icons and symbols in their public schools, did anybody cry foul? in jerusalem and tel aviv you must abide by the laws of the jews regarding sabbath and all sorts of things. every society you go there are norms, and we muslims have the right to determine how to live in our society.

ok. seems we are done with humility here.

you narrow minded hate-fueled pagans can go on forever insulting us but all you'll ever succeed in doing is emboldening us to kill the whole lot of you fuckers. stupid-ass religion having three gods and a god who has sunk so low he has to impregnate some mortal chick just to get a lunatic "son" self-styling himself as a god. and his papa was so twisted he made him suffer intensely to save a "generation of vipers". mess that bullshit, your jesus was a fucking cack, a lying, blasphemous fake, an imposter and scam artist who played on illiterate idiots. son of god my ass, he was just a sore loser drunk on some shit so mess your jesus, mess  that rag you call bible and mess all you losers. we going to kill every last one of you. i dare any of you fuckers to publicly make the statements you are making here and see if you'll last 24 hours. yes we are bad and violent but we are just killing scum and maggots and we wont stop. and your fucking jesus aint no son of god and the loser aint coming back. my own jesus was a mortal and was a prophet of allah, not your version because you morons pereverted everything god said just to create an immoral society. so mess you all.

For those who do not know about shariah and its intentions.

Hadd Crimes
Hadd crimes are those which are punishable by a pre-established punishment found in the Qur’an. These most serious of all crimes are found by an exact reference in the Qur’an to a specific act and a specific punishment for that act. There is no plea-bargaining or reducing the punishment for a Hadd crime. Hadd crimes have no minimum or maximum punishments attached to them. The punishment system is comparable to the determinate sentence imposed by some judges in the United States. If you commit a crime, you know what your punishment will be. There is no flexibility in the US. determinate model or in the punishment for Hadd crimes of Islamic Law.

No judge can change or reduce the punishment for these serious crimes. The Hadd crimes are:

1. Murder;
2. Apostasy from Islam

1. (making war upon Allah and His messengers)
1. Theft
2. Adultery
3. Defamation

2. (false accusation of adultery or fornication)
1. Robbery
2. Alcohol-drinking [any intoxicants]

The first four Hadd crimes have a specific punishment in the Qur’an. The last three crimes are mentioned but no specific punishment is found (Schmalleger, p.603).

Some more liberal Islamic judges do not consider apostasy from Islam or wine drinking as Hadd crimes. The more liberal Islamic nations treat these crimes as Tazir or a lesser crime.

Hadd crimes have fixed punishments because they are set by God and are found in the Qur’an. Hadd crimes are crimes against God’s law and Tazir crimes are crimes against society.

The rest of the story is found in www.shariah.net

@neoteny.
That's precisely what we're saying,that Islam is a religion founded with hate,terror,Arabian paganism mixed with poorly plagiarized Talmudic fables and old testament stories.And its so-called prophet as we now know was a war-monger,mass-murderer,rapist,paedophile who promised enclosed garden of paradise with wine, peopled with full breasted virgins for endless orgy and pleasure of Arab suicide bombers and their brothers in Northern Nigeria.
I use to have a grudging respect for him just because some people,and a few of them decent individuals, held him up as a sacred figure,but now I know he is not worth it.I will forever have the deepest contempt for him and his well documented atrocities.
The truth really hurts.

And the 1st poster of this thread can at last have his answer now from a true son of the Chiefest of the Terrorist himself,here is it; "YES WE ARE BAD AND VIOLENT BUT WE ARE JUST KILLING SCUM AND MAGGOTS AND WE WONT STOP"(NEOTENY).
Muhammad would have been proud of you were he alive!

yada yada yada

meanwhile mukibabe,you look like a sweet person.I just looked at your picture.
How do you stay so slim? lol

@neoteny

muslims are pricky about islam because to us it is more than a religion; it is a way of life and for something we hold above our lives it makes some sense if we get touchy when people commit sacrileges against us, doesnt it? mind you, i will feel similar inflammation of passion should jesus or any of the prophets of the holy Bible be insulted.


So tell me, Neoteny, if someone wants to convert to Islam, isn't it only sensible that they inquire about what they

are getting themselves into? How then can you encourage someone who's interested in your religion by getting all prickly about it?

Issues of faith need to be questioned or else people will walk blindly into something that might turn out to be a religious cult or even

worse. So I'm hard pressed to see why the prickliness; sure you might feel offended if some one commits what in your

own estimation might be sacrilege but to the person inquiring is just plain curiousity. 




still @ neoteny

as for our nigerian endless wahala in the context faith religion mostly it is the fault of severely miseducated islamist clerics and a ready bunch of illiterate, neglected street urchins who have none of the driving goals of material and intellectual acquisition that compel the rest of us to value life; and hence they play into the hands of the fiery uneducated clerics.


I would disagree with you on that point. While trying to gather what I felt should be general knowledge about 

Islam, my enquiries were met with great hostility from people who should know better- intellectuals; people who are

supposedly exposed to the finer things in life,  Like I mentioned earlier, religious issues are very emotive and nobody ever wins

argument. However, I still feel that the muslims or those who are pro-muslims are still missing the point, which is simply- when a

question is asked of Islam, why is there not a straightforward answer without all the  vitrolics

Mohamed and the quran mentions the so-called "prophets" all the time, funny how not even one of them nor the bible refers to one certain murderer called mohammed except to predict the coming of false teachers

That's the kind of warped mind, foggy with delusion and half-truths going around murdering innocent people.
All the talk of Jesus being a prophet in Islam is one of those asinine statements that has no iota of truth.
Tha last book of New Testament was completed about 700 years before that morally depraved murderer appeared on the scene and these ignoramuses talk of the bible being changed,based on his claims.

Please let all christians in the forum be very careful . don't let ur identity be so known . They can actually come for you . They can kill . 

You know the lord Jesus Christ say we should love our enemies .He said forgive 70 times 7 times , which means  in all cases , u must forgive , which means there is about nothing anyone of any race , of any tribe , of any religion do to you , U must forgive .
This implies we can killl .

But for them their religions says they should kill . Their masters ( Mohammed ) killed .

Please lets be careful . But any way , the Lord God is our strenght . They are is weapon of the enemies that fashioned against that will prosper .

And for all the innocent muslims in the forum , I am sure ur mind is touched . They truth is too clear . All the pro Islam in the forum can not just point out just one reason to be a muslim . One of them clain u can't understand Islam if u are not a muslim .
What a statement ,  what can't u understand in a religion that says u can go ahead a killl . I really pity that guy .

@good bobo

how touching,  _{that is far from touching}

@goodbobo

bros, cool down, i can understand your rage, but it doesn't help,


and you cannot make such conclusions, i mean the real muslims and fake muslims statement, please justify

interesting the shock i registered after my insults. of course i did not mean it, but you can see the reaction and that indignation is precisely what we muslims feel when certain people in this otherwise interesting forum show little respect for the sensitivities of others. i was banned from this forum for jokingly calling someone a loser and now here we have a name-calling spree that denigrates islam as well as christianity and yet our admin is doing absolutely nothing to moderate.
if you feel hurt and anger at me for calling jesus names, why should we not feel the same measure of hurt when you insult our prophet?
can't you ask your questions without the mockery? are we supposed to fold our hands and keep mute?
 we can go on doing this slug-fest forever but it will serve no purpose other than to erode the relationships built here in this forum. already davidylan is saying he has lost all respects he had for me; if u had any respect for me or any other muslims in this forum you wouldnt have resorted to such utter insensititvity. at the same time i hope you have lost any respects you ever had for the like of babyosisi, unless if u share the same narrow mindset.

@enugu
you can disagree all you want and i'll say it is your prerogative, but I'm not obliged to answer your questions because it has no profit for me; it will not dilute your extreme views of us, so to dissemble is to waste my time. seek your answers wherever you deem fit and keep those views that best serve your purpose.

so bend over here it comes:

your jesus was as immoral as the worst of them; he was a stark raving lunatic fornicating with mary magdalene which isnt surprising given his mother was a whore herself.any surprise his own family wanted to restrain him? frankly i'D rather have a prophet who married than one who fornicates with a follower. he was a drunken lying scum who claimed a divinity by shamefacedly calling himself the son of god. son of god! and yet on the cross he was crying "god, why have you forsaken me?" WHAT A WIMP.and his so called papa, what kind of almighty papa designs a drama in which his son suffers indignity and death? man your jesus was a fuckkin moron who just don't get it.

we can do this all life long. but as i said it serves no purpose. bring on the insults and lets bleed cause you people made a war out of this.

@mukina

I'm sorry if i disappoint you given that i swore not to lose my head, but this really is too much and if they want a name-calling contest then its fair game. they have already been told by their gay bishops (pity the choir boys, must hurt to sit down) to hate us, and hate us they do. up there someone even called my tribe "baboons", so do you see reason in all this? do you see a mature purpose besides hate? is anyone here, myself included, being constructive or sensitive? theres no respect here so might as well join them in their silly game. i don't relish doing this but my hurt and anger has to vent somehow and this is the "how" i chose.

here's an interesting read for you: "What Jesus Meant", and "Papal Deceit: Structures of Deceit" both by Gary Wills.

@ neoteny


Capital error! The "anger and hurt" shown on the forum was NOT for calling Jesus Christ names! The reaction was basically at your vile statements and threats to kill the "vermin and scumbags"!

No christian would give two figs if you spent the rest of your life calling Jesus countless blasphemous names, it is not our duty to be angry or hurt, rather it is our duty to pray for you because we know what awaits people like you on the last day. Unlike Mohammed and one certain Allah who constantly need the support of their slaves to feel "angry and hurt" on their behalf, Jesus can fight His battles Himself!

and has that explain why the malams in the norths bucther the igbos with their suya blade as soon as they walked out of the mosque!

there is a programme currently going on on BBC national television in london which i can tell completely refute anything about jesus for real! that will definately upset any so called christian, yes no doubt. it even went as far to say there is no prove that jesus raise from the death by alluding to the corpse might have been taken away from the tumb by the jews.

now mr allah i guess zamfara state governor shuold have been calling for some head by now! hey murder!!!! picture the difference pleaseeeeeeeeeee ! tolerance must rain in that baboon north ! ABOKI hope u listening

At least Neoteny is educated why doesnt he and other clerics find a way of educating their people instead of teaching them how to kill others compare the number of christian run Nursery, Primary,Secondary and Universities to their moslem counterpart

@domon.
You contribution is also quite welcome.
I sympathize with your point of view,but it is half-truth.
The book of Acts of the Apostles best describe the origin and the spread of christianity a few years after the resurrection of Christ.You can also read other classical, secular authors of the antiquity for their views.(e.g Josephus who was a Jew but became a Roman citizen,he wasn't a christian.Tacitus is another,there are others).
You would come to the understanding that the earliest followers of Christ didn't bear arm or spread Christianity by deceit like you claimed,but through evangelization under very difficult circumstances under the Roman emperors like Nero and countless of them gave their lives for it.
It would interest you that of the original 12 disciples of Christ,only the youngest of them,John who wrote the book of Revelation died naturally after he miraculously survived all attempts to kill him.(It was his youthful, 'girlish' looks, captured by Leornado da Vinci in the Last Supper that, provided the basis of Dan Brown's work of fiction,as he transformed him to Mary Magdalene).

Now Constatane made  christianity a state religion,and from then on,the church fell into the Dark Ages of largely Ignoble activities.This serves as the basis for all the criminal activities committed by the Europeans especially the Roman Catholic church using God's name until Reformation.

There is no justification for all the atrocities committed by the Roman Catholic Church and that is why Pope John Paul was courageous enough to apologise for these crimes IN 2000.

On the contrary, Islam is different,the founder of the religion, if you're patient enough to read the Koran,the Hadiths(also consisered a holy book) and also other ISLAMIC sources,the founder is shown with his followers to raid merchant caravans,attacked Jewish and other communities,stole their wealth,kill their men and approved his followers taking their wives and daughters as sex slaves and told them any of them that die in the course of Jihad would be rewarded with full-breasted virgins and wine in Paradise.And he led them by example.
He himself was shown to be involved with at least 22 women,the youngest of them 9 years.

Summary:When a christian commits a crime in God's name,he can't find a single verse in the New Testament justifying his actions,whereas a Muslim can point to the example of Muhammad and justify his actions by several passages of Koran and the Hadith.