Muslims: Are We Bad?

with animals.
You may never look at goats and rams or even suya the same way again.
It would have been easier to say "Don't do it"


Islamic Teachings on sex with animals:

"The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold."Editor's notes: I wonder if it is OK to sodomize a dead animal? What happens if the buyer brings the poor animal back into the city?

"If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it."
Editor's note: The poor animal first is sodomized and then killed and burned. What an Islamic justice towards animals? Where are the animal
rights group?

"It is forbidden to consume the excrement of animals or their nasal secretions. But if such are mixed in minute proportions into other foods their consumption is not forbidden."

"If a man (God protect him from it!) fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is necessary."Editor's note: It does not say who should have ablution: the animal or the man?
 
 
 
 
     
 
 

now a quote from the koran about Mohammed.Check it out yourself.

In another place God told Mohammad that "we have made such women available to you without any payment to them, these are all your cousins, slave women and any Moslem woman who would like to give you herself, or any women whom you desire free of charge." So slavery at least for women was quite common. See Koran 33-50.

loverbwoy stop being funny.
33:50 it is.

    To begin with, the Quran justifies slavery, and often mentions slaves.  Here are some relevant verses:

 

33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."

 

            This verse clearly shows that Muslims believe that taking slaves in war was a God-given right.  These slaves were considered 'booty' or the spoils of war.  As the saying goes:  to the victors go the spoils.

 

 

23:5 -   ",  except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:, "

 

            The passage's context here (not quoted in full) details how Muslim males are allowed to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls. Implicit in this is that Muslim males had slave-concubines.  70:30 is basically a repeat of 23:5.

 

            Ibn Sa'd's "Tabaqat", gives a clear description of Muhammad having "relations" with at least one of his slave girls.  Muhammad had sexual relations with Mariyah, his Coptic slave.  Mariyah and her sister, Sirin were slaves given as gifts to Muhammad.  Muhammad gave Sirin to Hasan Thabit, the poet.  Ibn Sa'd says that Muhammad "liked Mariyah, who was of white complexion, with curly hair and pretty."  [Taken from Ibn Sa'd's "Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir" (Book of the Major Classes), p151].

            Ibn Sa'd also writes that Mariyah bore Muhammad a son named Ibrahim.  He died 18 months later.  Sa'd writes:  "If he had lived, no maternal uncle of his would have remained in bondage", p164.  This shows that there were other Coptic slaves owned by the Muslims.

 

 

            The Quran also instructs Muslims NOT to force their female slaves into prostitution (24:34), and even allows Muslims to marry slaves if they so desire (4:24), and to free them at times as a penalty for crime or sin (4:92, 5:89, 58:3) and even allows slaves to buy their liberty, if they meet certain of their master's conditions (24:33).  [90:10 'freeing of a bondsman' refers to Muslims ransoming other Muslims who were slaves of non-Muslims.]

 

            While I think it's nice to allow a slave to obtain his freedom, (at his master's discretion) it is tragic that Islam allows them to be enslaved in the first place.  That's like robbing a bank and giving some of the money back to the bank, and thinking you did the right thing!

 

 

            The above verses show that taking slaves was ordained by Allah, and that it was permissible for Muslim males to have sex with their female slaves.  It also shows that slaves were a valuable commodity to the Muslims, otherwise, Allah would not have imposed the penalty of freeing a slave to make up for a crime.

 

 

 

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@ loverbwoy

Were you dragged here by mukina2? methinks so!

@loverbwouy you don't understand the bible.
Old testament laws were to the Israelites of the time,they are not Christian teachings and even the jews now recognise them as teachings and laws of that time.
They are not applicable today.

Christians ie followers of Christ do not seek to enslave anyone,denounce it will condemn any Christian that enslaves anyone let alone rapes them.It is not a Christian teaching by any stretch.
Christ owned no slaves and enslaved no one.
People who owned slaves at the time of Christs ministry on earth were told to treat them fairly,pay them their due wages and so on.
They were never encouraged to enslave people.

Muhammad au contraire owned slaves,raped his slaves and encouraged his followers to do same.
Hopefully I've taught you something about Christianity.
Since you do not denounce Mohammeds action but would rather post old testament texts as a Christian example,I take it that it is allowed in Islam,or am I wrong?

@ loverbwoy

it is the same oft rehashed muslim rhetoric, throw in a few "good sounding" quranic verses in an attempt to drown out the multiple "kill the apes and infidels" verses that fill the quran.
If anyone was ever a symbol of hate, intolerance, immorality and perverseness,Mohammed couldnt have fit this bill better!

All pro Islam in this forum . let me give u one major point that would make u have no reason to argue again .

Basically Islam is following the deeds and way of Mohammed  and Christianity if following the deed and way of Christ .
We have seen Hundred and one things according to your Holy book that are so so wrong about Mohammed's deed .
PLEASE I PUT IT TO YOU ALL TO FIND JUST ONE BAD DEED OF CHRIST AS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE .
If u can not then , lets forget this auguement .

neoteny,ayinla2005,mukina2 and loverbwuoy(not sure you are Muslim)
forgive my in your face kind of attitude but consider all the things I said.
If you feel you've been dealt a bill of goods in the name of Islam,it's never too late to come to Christ as long as you still have breathe in you.

I'm sure I would feel exactly the way you do if I were born a Muslim.
But you are adults now(I hope)
Study the life of the man you hold to great esteem ie Mohammed.
If you have doubts,that may be Christ tugging at your hearts.

He(Jesus Christ) says come unto me all who are heavy laden and I'll give you rest.
None other can fill that vacuum  in every heart except the Holy Spirit.
6 million Africans annually turn to Christ .
You can be part of that number today if you open up your heart.
There is no ceremony needed,if you ask Christ to come into your heart,He is there.

You have now heard the gospel of peace and I know that a seed has been sown in your heart that will germinate and grow.
Christ has the power to save and deliver,fill your heart with love and mercy,if he did it for some he can do it for you.

I leave you with this site.
God bless you.

http://isaalmasih.net/index.html

Please i want every member of this forum the please listen and check out this analogy .

I want to bring your attention to the IFA worshipers world wide . I am sure u all would be wondering where i am going .
. All ifa worshiper world wide ( in Yoruba band , Brasil , Cuba , USA , Haiti .etc ) .
1.they all must speak that yoruba language for incantation ( no matter what their mother tongue is ) .
2 They must perform ritual and blood sacrifice . 
3.they have a special way of performing their prayers and worship ( same way world wide )
4. they all have their 'OPELE' ( the beads with string attaching the beads for prayer.
5. some come to yoruba land to see the source of their worship
6. They all have their Image which represent their God which they all face and bow for .

SIMILARITY WITH ISLAM .\

1. All Allah worshiper worldwide must speak Arabic for prayers
2.They must kill ram yearly for sacrifice .
3. They all have same special way of prayer
4. They all have they tesbiu ( beads with string attached for prayers
5. Some go to Mecca to see the source of their worship
6. All Allah worshiper face the Karbah and bow down for Allah


DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO

Ifa worshipers know they are Idol worshiper because the can see the image of what they are bowing for but Allah worshipers don't know what they are bowing down for . They don't know what is in the Kahbah .

HOW CHRISTIANITY DIFFERS COMPLETELY FROM IDOL WORSHIP

1.Christians speak their native language to communicate to God .God understands all languages
2.Christians don't kill any animal for sacrifice . Christ did that for them 2000 years ago.
3 . Christians pray to God as the holy spirit lay in their heart
4. Christians don't keep any beads for prayers.
5. Christians don't have to go any where to see God . God is every where
6. Christians don't have any direction they must face to pray to God . God is every where

I hope this is convincing enough . thank you

@Babyosi

I am not going to blame anyone. and who r u to be judging what was written in the Koran?

 

Have nothing to say to you on this  honey.

Shallom.

In this thread, I find three particular topic areas interesting.

1. Religion.
2. Context of Abstract.
3. Definition of terrorism.

The first subject of discuss, which is Religion, tends to be used as a weapon, on the basis of supposed member behavioral observed proofs, and some choose to take a defensive position to save themeselves from being guilty, of what they term wrong, by saying their line of belief is not what they term as Religion. Surprisingly someone said Christianity is not a religion along the line. That I find very interesting.

The context of abstract, is another area that has been evasively used along st the line of argument, A possible derived conclusion on that would be, its OK for me to quote from your Reference to Authority, without paying attention to the context of the Abstract, but its not OK for you to quote from my Reference to Authority without paying attention to the Abstract. That to many of us in this thread is an acceptable method to smear those that you do not agree with.

The definition of terrorism is notoriously difficult: the term has been given a variety of definitions, many of which contradict others; and definitions are colored by political ideology, location, and perspective. The audience in this thread should be taken into account when such a term is used.

My advice to anybody henceforth that chooses to argue for or against the topic of this thread, is to evaluate himself or herself, before choosing to use any tactics. Methods such as attacking the arguer, quoting out of context, quoting without proofs, using  fallacious and insensible line of arguments should be avoided.

This is meant for the educated thread contributors only, who plan to adhere to intellectual methods of discuss.

arguing about religion does not solve anything. it only leads to more anger and hatered. 

A little sample of what I said earlier,if this does not bother anyone,Muslim,Christian or animist,then the person has no human heart.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5541006

another article in our very own backyard.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/africanlives/ivory/ivory.htm

@ babyosi

i keep reading your comments to be honest i am disappointed in you. you think you know the bible more or Koran. you might have read them but i don't think u understand them. i told u earlier on. ask God to give you Understanding. u need it more. when he gives u that understanding come back on her and argue for or against. OK