All Black People Descended From Africa #2

@ To all

check this out, yall keep talking about how us Black Americans was not born and bred in Africa, So what! That don't mean a bag of bricks.

I have several African brothers and sisters that live in America, infact I met up with one today. I told him about this discussion and who I talk with when I come in here. He immediately told me I was waisting my time and although I disagree with him on this, He did say to me that it is the poor uneducated Blacks in Africa that say the things you Black Africans in here been saying. When he said uneducated he meant the white mans education.

 When I told him about some of the positive African black men that came in here, he kept asking me to find out what tribe they were from and were they married because he swore that the men would be trying to be cool so that I might consider marrying them and bringing them back to America with me. When I told him that it was some open minded African sisters that came into the discussion from time to time, he stated that these days Black Africans are going both ways, he was basically saying that the women would also try to get me to marry them  or to do some type of favor for them. 
He was kidding about that, I think but this is what he said and he is a African black man born and bred in Africa.

@davidylan

You said you were through with this thread one to many times and you keep coming back, what is that all about ?

Davidlyn,

So if you do not see rich blacks in your building, then they do not exist?

Since JayZ (worth 360 million) and Puff Daddy (worth 340 million) and Nelly (worth 60 million) and Oprah (worth 1 billion) and the former owner of BET (worth 1 billion) and the owner of Tyson Chicken (worth millions) and even my local black insurance salesman (worth 1.5 million) do not visit your building they must not really exist.

I guess since the second most powerful person in the world: Condileeza Rice and others like Jessie Jackson, Al sharpton, Randall Robinson, Waters, Clarence Thomas, etc, etc does not come visit you, then all the Black mayors across this nation and congressmen and members of the NAACP and other people in power must not exist either.

I guess all the black educated women who make more money than white and hispanic educated women must not exist either since they do not come to your building. http://www.usatoday.com/news/bythenumbers/2005-03-28-income-education_x.htm

Poof! The 74 percent of blacks who do not live in poverty in America, they just disappeared because of course they are not in Davidlyn's classroom.

And the black garbagemen who make 37,000 dollars a year in for instance New York City. Why your just garbagemen and that makes you a nobody in Davidlyn's mind.

And the New York teachers who complain that janitors make more than teachers in schools. Davidlyn says being a janitor is worthless, so you teachers should stop complaining about the janitors making more money than you.

This is his very humble christian attitude towards those he does not understand nor ever see.

Obviously the god that David worships, only loves the rich and well educated and would never send the gospel for the poor, as that carpenter Jesus Christ claimed.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the god being worshipped in Davidlyn's mind, is not the God of the bible but his personal god -- white people.

na wah oh,
sista from oakland, please can you explain what you meant by so what if you were not born and bred in africa. i was going to dish out some choice words but then i thought you might mean something different from what I'm thinking. so hurry back and clarify
thks

gigette,

Sista can correct me if I am wrong.

But I think she was referring to those who think that by being born and bred in Africa they have a right to tell African Americans they are not Africans and/or by being born and bred in Africa some how makes Continental African thinking better than African American thinking.

She was saying that is illegitimate thinking and we are all Brothers and Sisters.

Drusilla your friend sista is only going around insulting people.
African saying goes. It is  slowly slowly you do to catch big fish.
Maybe this talk she can use it to convince "EX slaves" but with a bit of sociology  knowage she should know that its not trhe same method she can use on everybody.
Then we are not poor operssed "ex slaves"  , Sitting in a Getto and thinking its massas fault we do not progress.
Thinks fall apart shows a way of life before the white man came. It has nothing to do with who the writers father was, or if it was written 400 years after the coming of the white man.
Like i said before many of these traditions and rituals still are not forgotten and not all are good.

@ gigette





Why couldn't you just refer to me as Sista, why did you have to say "Sista from Oakland"? no one has ever done that before. I wonder what that is all about?

It seems like everytime I say something about Africa, something positive I might ad, a black African, born and bred, jumps up and tells me that "I am an African born and bred" that is to tell me I don't know nothing about Africa because I was not born their. Not only was I not born there but I was also not bred there. When black Africans say something like that, it is their subtle way of trying to tell me that because I am a black woman Born and bred in America, my knowledge of Africa is not accepted, nor is it valid. They are separating their self from me. White people go into Africa everyday calling Africans primitive people. They write these Anthropological books about African people using pictures of naked women and children to make their books look even more interesting. I don't see Africans telling them that their story about African people is wrong and white people are making money off their story's. Or wait, Africans in this discussion would probably separate their self from the people who still live in the bush, saying they are different from them because they still live in the bush, they don't have any knowledge of you, however you have knowledge of them though because you are a forward African huh? Let us not forget that at one time we all lived in the bush. Before you were living like you live now, you lived in the bush. Don't think that you are so forward. As a matter a fact, the black people still living in the bush are probably more sane in the head than any of us in this discussion.

 Any way,  Born and Bred Africans in this discussion, seem to always throw things at me about black Americans and I might ad, negative things but I don not say things to them like I am a Born and bred Black woman of America. However what I do say is, you only know the lies about Black Americans that white people tell you. I forget who it was because it was so many but someone I even asked, what books have you read about black American history or what books have you read about American blacks at all, that person never responded like I knew he or she wouldn't. I am going to look back in this discussion and see exactly who that was. But, anyway that is what I was talking about with the born and bred issue.

the reason i said sista from oakland is because
firstly, a lot of people like to say my sista, my brother, i didnt want confusion
two, because i work in oakland lol

any sista, i see  problems both on your side and  on the side of the bona fide africans you are talking about. first of all, you might dispute my opinion and you are free too, but everyone came from africa a long time ago, you don't see asians claiming to be african now do you? you of course are different because you are not that far removed from african ancestry, a hundred years maybe. The thing is in those intervening years, african americans developed a very distinct culture, culture that is different from any african one i know of. obviously there are glaring similarities but it is still distinct e.g i don't know any african that would like their wifey to be making mac anc cheese lol. in that sense, my dear sista you should be proud of your heritage as an african american, because without y'all america would not be what it is today. in fact i am sure you are proud of that heritage. i also commend for seeking out your past, being interested and trying to be involved as your presence on nairaland states. however, your execution leaves something to be desired. the fact is for many africans the fact that you were born and bred in yankee makes you an american (between, where your parents born and bred here, have u ever been to africa). where did you get your knowledge and opinions on africa from. let me give you the benefit of the doubt and say you've been to africa, or you've conversed extensively with people born and bred in africa or you've read books by born and bred africans. that is all second hand knowlege my dear, the fact still remains that first hand knowlege about any place comes from living there for an extended period of time. now of course your knowledge should not be discounted just cause you're american, but don't go and be posing your knowledge like the student knows more than the grandmaster that one just irritates people.  plus it can also seem to them their culture is so lightweight and shallow that someone can just claim it from anywhere. your knowledge can only complement not supplant. you may become mainstream american in a year but not so for naija and that is the plain truth. furthermore you have provided your opinion, just as the people who say africans are primitive and backward and the anthropologists have provided theirs with their naked women. it is up to us to accept and/or act on your opinion or reject it.

on their part, they are wrong in being so quick to discount your knowledge and cause division where there isnt need as per bush/town africans when they are so quick to accept YT's crap. but a lot of people are like that due to years of colonial indoctrination, bad habits are hell to shake off.

finally, if i sound like all the other naijas on nairaland when i say being born and bred in america makes you very different, so be it. its just true. you are welcome to partake of our culture but don't say you were born to it because you werent

Your posts first border on the ridiculous to the outlandish and then to annoying! I know i promised to quit this thread but i just could not let this go. Gigitte has said it better, YOU can't COME HERE SPOUTING NONSENSE ABOUT A CONTINENT YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO! Stop sitting in your high chair in Oakland telling me the language my maternal grandmother spoke and that of my paternal grandfather are one and the same!!!! IT IS NOT TRUE!
please!

Do you know how many languages are spoken in Nigeria alone? Do you know that Yoruba on its own that i speak fluently has more than 4 or 5 variants depending on where you are from?
Do you know that Nigeria has at least more than 150 different languages? My mom speaks igbo and my dad speaks yoruba, NOT A SINGLE WORD IS THE SAME FOR BOTH LANGUAGES, THEY ARE AS FAR APART AS THE NORTH POLE IS TO THE SOUTH! Stop spouting untruths!!!
Have you ever tried to learn Hausa? Is it comparable to Efik or Ibibio?

In what way did European influence change our language? How ridiculous can it get that the European was so good as to change over 150 languages in ONE COUNTRY ALONE not to talk of over the whole continent!

Any way, you only watched A FILM! a long time ago and you suddenly know all about Africa. Pssssst!

@ davidylan





You sound like a boy child stanidng behind his sister saying "Nanny Nanny Nana, told you so" Grow up davidylan.

I am much older than you and gigitte. Don't you know that you are supposed to respect your elders. I am your elder and you should show some respect.


The African languages are one in the same and I am telling you again. There is always a first and there is never a last.

 Africans spoke one language at one time but as they migrated they created new words that was born out of the old language and the old languagess. Black people to this day are still making up words and sentences are being birthed from those words.

You are ambitious with keeping this sepreration going, you have truly been tainted. Who are you? You are starting to sound as if you are not really a brother. What is going on with you davidylan, I am serious, what is going on with you?

I just don't know what to say about you anymore.

For health reasons, I think you need to take a long break from this discussion.

hey thks very plenty for the compliement
ese ma

this is not a yes or no question

of course i would not be like you
and you would not be like me

everyone is unique

but the factors affecting our ways of thinking, our personalities and our opinions would be different. most likely i would not be who i am today 100% and neither would you
shikena

1. You spent all this thread insulting those who have a second oppinion to you, unless you don't consider false allegations and accusations such as white worshipper insults, soon as others expose your dearth of common sense in your posts you start pouting about your age. Shame!
2. Respecting elders? You respect those who deserve it and not those who demand it. You show your age not by declaring but by letting it show in the way you address others.
3. You cannot be talling us what and where our language originated from, you have never been to Africa neither do you even have the faintest idea of what languages we speak (except via white produced movies!). Just as i can't go to England and start telling them the origin of the English language, so can you not sit back and peddle such falsehoods regarding the languages my own parents have been speaking before you were born!
4. I will quit this thread NOT FOR HEALTH reasons but because you do not seem to be making much sense rather you think you can force your oppinions down the throats of others.

N.B. you can yell as much as you like, i will quit when you stop peddliing untruths about my culture which try as hard as you may is not yours! Be proud of where you were born, you don't have to go back to Africa to define your own destiny. I wonder how many white Namibians and South Africans are wasting time forcing White Europeans that they are all from the same stock!

@ davidylan




Davidylan for your mental state as it seems, you should quit this thread.

As far as you saying, that I am trying hard to make your culture mines, please Davidylan, don't stroke your ego at the expense of my intelligence.

You were the one who began this whole Seperation of black people discussion when you expressed your disgust with American blacks, using the brother or sister in referance to each other when they have no blood relation.

The subject matter of this discussion (All Blacks are the same, We All Descend From Africa) was thrown off by you alone.

You have shown that you have no respect for blacks in America, you are a racist towards us.

You want to say all these horrible things about African people and then you want to act like you are so proud of your culture, when you think that I am trying to stake claims, on your culture.

You are a twisted individual.

@ gigitte


I don't understand, are you saying no, they would not have evolved any differently from the blacks who are now in America, These were the options,

Yes, the black Africans that switched to America, to undergo the same experiences as the present black Americans would evolve with the same results as the present black Americans. or No TheBlack Africans of today would have evolved differently from the blacks who are present in America today.

Think about this answer carefully please.

Here you clearly show you already inately as a black man knew the reason for the usage of brother and sister when you refer to the throw back of the slave era, This is where you tokk this discussion off topic by pretending to be ignorant to this matter, this is where you took the subject off of the topic


The whole time you already knew why the brother and sister referance was being used by black Americans


Your subtle could be looked at as disgust came here, 


 Might I add, all men who were mentioned were black Americans as bad examples.
You have already come to the conclusion that Stanley was guilty. If you knew anything about Black Americans, you would know that many times because we are black, we are auotomatically guilty without fare trial especially if we are poor. If no black people rallied, your response to the outcome would have been how backs in america don't' support each other.

You asked,


This is one of the many bad things you said about african people, 

This is number 2 of the many bad things you said about african people,



Now, my page expired twice and I had to modify twice trying to get down the quotes I did get, but you said far more disrespcful things about all blacks period, than what I had the time to quote. If anyone is interested in knowing about what goes on inside your head, how you play both sides, pretending to be proud of your culture yet insulting it at the same time, they can go back and look at all of your previous post. You didn't say one good thing about black people. However, you did say many (in your mind) good things about Whites and Asians.