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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To davidylan, Your posts first border on the ridiculous to the outlandish and then to annoying! I know i promised to quit this thread but i just could not let this go. Gigitte has said it better, YOU can't COME HERE SPOUTING NONSENSE ABOUT A CONTINENT YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO! Stop sitting in your high chair in Oakland telling me the language my maternal grandmother spoke and that of my paternal grandfather are one and the same!!!! IT IS NOT TRUE!
Please!
Do you know how many languages are spoken in Nigeria alone? Do you know that Yoruba on its own that i speak fluently has more than 4 or 5 variants depending on where you are from?
Do you know that Nigeria has at least more than 150 different languages? My mom speaks igbo and my dad speaks yoruba, NOT A SINGLE WORD IS THE SAME FOR BOTH LANGUAGES, THEY ARE AS FAR APART AS THE NORTH POLE IS TO THE SOUTH! Stop spouting untruths!!!
Have you ever tried to learn Hausa? Is it comparable to Efik or Ibibio?
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I hate when stupid people talk with so much alacrity, I hate when fools spit so much fire while there level of ignorance is mountainous, i hate people that invest so much time in disunity than unity, I hate when people are so intransigent that it robs them the ability to make sense. My friend you display an insurmountable level of ignorance and is quite unfortunate that you are not a rara avis in Nairaland. Before you start your ludicrous ranting on a particular subject, be sure to guarantee your competence in the particular subject. I almost puked when I read this your post, are you just indolent or is this a fraud?, The igbo language and Yoruba language are close but a lot would depend on your IQ in understanding this, and so is most of the west African languages, [these even applies to some of the central african countries] except Hausa language and there groups which is closer to Arabic and equally closer to many eastern and northern African languages. Study Ashanti language and compere it with Igbo language you will be surprised. These few words below will show you that the Yoruba and Igbo languages are close and probably were from the same root:, IGBO YORUBA ENGLISH _____________ _______________ _______________ 1, Imi Imu Nose 2, Onu Enu Mouth 3, Nti Eti Ear 4, Agba Agbon Jaw 5, Ogede Ogede Banana 6, Okuta or Okute Okuta Stone 7, Gba Gba Kick 8, Nmi Emi me 9, Gini Kini What 10 Aka Apa or Aka Arm These are but few. |
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gigitte (f)
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apa happens to mean arm in yoruba my dear
owo is hand
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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A lot of people don't see what that unites us but what that divides us, thank you
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chinani (f)
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I found this at the sight you have in your profile, I thought it was interesting, what do you think? I highlighted some things.
The "Ibo" misspelling of the south eastern Nigerian Igbo ethnic nation of almost 32 million people reflect, essentially, a post-colonial hangover of British and Euro-Caucasoid colonial miseducation, misrepresentations, and (mis)pronounciation preference. It is/was just easier for the White man/woman to say 'Ibo' rather than 'Igbo.' We must remember the late psychiatrist, pan-African scholar and activist Franz Fanon's mytho-poetic and insightful words in his 1952 book, Black Skin White Masks, that "A man who has a language [consequently] possesses the world expressed and implied by that language." Should Igbos and other African nationalities, incrementally and foolishly give up the core of their communal and national identity on the discredited altars of Euro-Caucasoid racist supremacy and colonial predations? I have two modest answers: first is No; and second is No.
If you are a part of this association, please, share with me what you are learning?
 If you've read the link then why must I tell you what I'm learning? I posted the link so that others could learn. If I wanted to share in a different fashion then I would've started a thread but I did not. Instead I posted the link. In a nut shell the link does a great job of expressing my own opinion about Igbo language & culture in contemporary society. "Igbo" as opposed to "ibo" is indicative of the struggle to maintain culture (however an Igbo person deems fit to express him/herself) outside the constraints and/or pressures of the "melting" pot, globalization or accommodation(s) etc. The website speaks to the use/preference of Igbo as opposed to "ibo" but that's the tip of the iceberg. |
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Sista (f)
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@chinaniIf you've read the link then why must I tell you what I'm learning? I posted the link so that others could learn. If I wanted to share in a different fashion then I would've started a thread but I did not. Instead I posted the link.
Aren't we hot tempered ??? I was just asking you a question. If I would have assumed what the website was all about, I would have been wrong and probably jumped on for being A.A and trying to assume what and IGBO website was about :-\
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chinani (f)
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@Sista I'm not mad. Hot tempered?  Mad? No. |
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GNature (m)
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*subscribing to thread*
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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TO ALL THOSE WHO ARGUE ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS BEING AFRICANS
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Diaspora does not change people, Diaspora only displaces people, arguing about this to me is like a time wastefully invested. the Jews stayed so many years in Diaspora far longer and far mixed [ even bleached out ] than the African Americans, but after they traced back there land and formed Israel, so if an African American wants to trace back his or her land there is nothing anybody can do about it, an African American don't need no special permision from a Continental Africans to be African, cause he or she already is.
The African Americans are only four to five generations away, by my culture as an IGBO through the Umunna meeting,[ Umunna is a kind of family meeting very popular in all of Igbo land carried out at least twice every year], we relate with people of even six generations or more, and there is also what we call Umunna Ntikodo [ joint family meeting ], through this Ummunna Ntikodo I can even trace down to my families of ten generations or more, so the African American thing is just like a thing of yesterday, the only problem is that most African Americans lost there real African names, and we all know why.
I know some continental Africans might be angry because of some few African Americans stereo types or people like DAMON WAYANS who would look for every opportunity to present Continental Africans like Lion killing savages, but we should not forget that SEAN and MARLON WAYANS who would do the reverse are from the same family, in every society there are good and bad people, the Continental Africans equally have people who are stereo type, and these might anger Africa Americans too, that is why I always advice people to look at the bigger picture, stay blessed.
Note
Some African Americans traced back there Origin to IMO STATE in IGBO LAND in the 90s, believe me those guys were offered back there lands.
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Drusilla (f)
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925,
Good post. I was just saying the same thing in another thread.
Apparently not many people are understanding yet that some African Americans, Afro Cubans and Afro Brazillians still speak Yoruba and some say Igbo or Ibo.
We do not need permission from anybody to speak about Nigeria or to tell us if we are Africans.
I personally can not even tell the difference between Nigerians and African Americans until I hear their accent.
I have a girlfriend who is a reporter in Nigeria and America and she is so convinced that African Americans are from Nigeria she advises AA to pick the tribe they like best and be done searching for their roots.
African Americans connection to Nigeria is a done deal, as far a I am concerned.
Fighting against AA right to speak up on Nigeria is sorta like trying to tell Ibo's or Ibgo's or Yoruba's that they have no right to speak up about Nigeria.
Just not going to work.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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that's pretty much it.
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Sista (f)
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@ DrusillaApparently not many people are understanding yet that some African Americans, Afro Cubans and Afro Brazillians still speak Yoruba and some say Igbo or Ibo.
This is true Drusilla. @ To All If anyone wants or cares to know the name of black Cuban musicians who sing in the Igbo language, just ask me and I will post it.
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showlie
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hi ,
Am Wale Aransiola, a graduate of histyory and i am enthusedby this topic. Historically and theoritically all black people might be said to have originated from Africa, but beyond that we must try look at the historical facts that supports such statements else theories like the eurocentric Hamitic theory might just be framework for non africans to work on and discedit this fact.
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Sijien (m)
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A lot of people don't see what that unites us but what that divides us, thank you
i like u |
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Sista (f)
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@Showliehi ,
Am Wale Aransiola, a graduate of histyory and i am enthusedby this topic. Historically and theoritically all black people might be said to have originated from Africa, but beyond that we must try look at the historical facts that supports such statements else theories like the eurocentric Hamitic theory might just be framework for non africans to work on and discedit this fact. uhm, What exactly is your point?
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To Sista
If anyone wants or cares to know the name of black Cuban musicians who sing in the Igbo language, just ask me and I will post it.
this would be very good to know. |
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Donzman (m)
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@ Drusilla
@ To All
If anyone wants or cares to know the name of black Cuban musicians who sing in the Igbo language, just ask me and I will post it.
I'll really really love to know. |
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Sista (f)
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@ Donzman
@ninetofive
I am getting the names of those musicians together for you guys right now.
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Sista (f)
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@nintofive@DonzmanThis is just a little something to hold you two off until I get the names of those musicians. By the way, I think they only say some words in igbo, not all the way through the song.
The important fact is they held on to some of their roots the best way they could. The Yoruba's Oyo empire collapsed in the early 1800's after decades of internal conflict and warfare with their neighbors. As a consequence, many Yoruba were sold into slavery and brought to the New World to work on plantations. Strong traces of Yoruba culture, specifically the worship of the orisha, can be found today in Cuba, Brazil, Haiti, Trinidad and Tobago. Lucumi:The Yoruba in Cuba Cuba, in particular, still has a phenomenal amount of sacred Yoruba music and dance. In the time of slavery, owners purposely broke up the families of slaves and mixed together people from the different African ethnic groups as a way of maintaining control. However, in early 18th century Cuba the Spanish Catholic Church created mutual aid societies, called cabildos, as a medium of entertainment and reconstruction of many aspects of their ethnic heritage. There came to be Yoruba cabildos, Congo (Bantu) cabildos and Arara (Fon) cabildos in Cuba. Yoruba religious ceremonies were practiced and preserved in the cabildos of Cuba as the slaves seemingly synchronized their masters' pantheon of Catholic saints with their own pantheon of orisha. Thus, the orisha covertly lived on in Cuba hiding behind a facade of Catholicism. In truth, these traditions did not exactly synchronize with Catholicism, but rather Catholicism was used as a camouflage behind which Yoruba religious practices took root and flourished. While the white slave owners observed the Africans celebrating a saint on his/her particular day, they were usually unaware that it was actually the orisha who was being worshiped. Today, the terms saint and orisha are used interchangeably in Cuba. The correlation of the Yoruba orisha with the Catholic saints is part of the island's common culture. For example, Santa Barbara is understood to be the Yoruba orisha Changó, the god of thunder. San Lázaro is synonymous with Babalú Ayé, the orisha of infectious diseases. Consequently, the Yoruba religion in Cuba is often referred to as Santería, or the cult of the saints. Another common name for this religion is Lucumi, a Yoruba word meaning friends. Lucumi is also the name given to descendants of Yoruba slaves in Cuba, as well as their music, dance and their Cubanized dialect of the Yoruba language. Yoruban and Christian rites are easily mixed together by Cubans. After all, the genetic and cultural mixing of African and European ethnic groups has been occurring there for centuries. However, little European influence can be found in the dance and music of the Lucumi ceremonies. Also, the Nigerian systems of divination, such as Ifá, remain intact in Cuba. http://www.bembe.com/conjunto/
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Donzman (m)
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This is just a little something to hold you two off until I get the names of those musicians. By the way, I think they only say some words in igbo, not all the way through the song.
The important fact is they held on to some of their roots the best way they could.
That isn't concrete evidence though. They could have met some random Igboman (we know they're evrywhere looking for ways to become millionaires) somewhere who taught them a thing or two in the language. |
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Sista (f)
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@DonzmanThat isn't concrete evidence though. They could have met some random Igboman (we know they're evrywhere looking for ways to become millionaires) somewhere who taught them a thing or two in the language. So you think they speak about Ibo in the Cuban culture for so many years to become millionaires? That doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that they should be discredited of their sincerity and their African ancestral heritage? Come on, I hoped you wasn't that kind of brotha that would discredit black people and try to deny them their roots. Infact what you are saying is probably worse than what white people would have said. At least white people would have done some kind of research in order to give oppurtunity into locating some kind of conjured up flaw but you just say the Cubans were trying to get money, not a good enough argument. In fact I am not even sure you read the entire post on the history section. The Yoruba who came to Cuba as slaves.
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Donzman (m)
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@ Sista
You're getting it all wrong. There is no doubt that these guys came from Africa but I'm disputing the fact that they actually maintained their native African language (infact I think it's false). All I'm saying is that they must have come in contact with some Igbo guy who taught them a few words so they decided to use them in some songs so they can relate with their African roots. That's all I was trying to say so I have a hard time understanding how you reached your conclusions.
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Sista (f)
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@DonzmanYou're getting it all wrong. There is no doubt that these guys came from Africa but I'm disputing the fact that they actually maintained their native African language (infact I think it's false). All I'm saying is that they must have come in contact with some Ibo guy who taught them a few words so they decided to use them in some songs so they can relate with their African roots. That's all I was trying to say so I have a hard time understanding how you reached your conclusions. Not getting it all wrong, just responding to what you said. As I said, I don't think you read thoroughly because if you did, you would have read how during slavery, cubans still practiced their African religion which involved chanting, dancing, and rituals. In their religious practices, they still at the time possessed their native tongue. White people were pushing Catholicism on to the Cubans. They pretended to accept the Catholicism when all the time they were hiding their Gods behind the Catholic saints. I don't think that had anything to do with becoming a millinaire. That is why I said, I don't think you read thoruughly. White slave owners who were pushing Catholicism, had no clue what the Cubans were doing. As time went on, of course they began to loose their native words because if you live in a society that speaks predominately Spanish and they persecute those who don't, eventually you will loose your native tongue and you will be forced to choose what is the most important to hold on to. For the Cubans, it was important to hold onto the words used during religious practices. They wanted their children to never loose sight of the religion their ancestors had. For this reason, the Yoruba and some times Ibo words used for religious ceremony's were the words chosen for keeping alive in order pass down. Me being A.A, we didn't get to preserve anything except for the fact that we were always told that we were of African decent and therefore African. Cubans did not have it as bad during slavery as the A.A did, this is why A.A have such a high crime rate, all do to lack in knowledge of self.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Just for records. @ DrusillaYes 925 was one of the few, I really liked him, I would marry him any day and bring back to America with me but he is more than likely already taken  But, I think my friend was making a general statement based on the Education of African blacks. Don't get me wrong, what my African friend said was not very nice at all and I told him he was wrong. I was just trying to show the ones that keep coming in here talking about this born and bred crap that here is a man also, that was born and bred in Africa, here his is his point of view. That is all I was trying to show. Yes they are born and bred black Africans but they don't share the same point of view as all Black Africans. |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Just for record purposes. @ DrusillaYes 925 was one of the few, I really liked him, I would marry him any day and bring back to America with me but he is more than likely already taken But, I think my friend was making a general statement based on the Education of African blacks. Don't get me wrong, what my African friend said was not very nice at all and I told him he was wrong. I was just trying to show the ones that keep coming in here talking about this born and bred crap that here is a man also, that was born and bred in Africa, here his is his point of view. That is all I was trying to show. Yes they are born and bred black Africans but they don't share the same point of view as all Black Africans. Let's just stop all the whole crxp and continue with our lives. |
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WesleyanA (f)
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@ Sista
You're getting it all wrong. There is no doubt that these guys came from Africa but I'm disputing the fact that they actually maintained their native African language (infact I think it's false). All I'm saying is that they must have come in contact with some Igbo guy who taught them a few words so they decided to use them in some songs so they can relate with their African roots. That's all I was trying to say so I have a hard time understanding how you reached your conclusions.
I've heard that people do speak yoruba, Igbo in some south american countries but I didn't really believe it until I took some language seminar (portuguese) at USMA, Westpoint. we saw this cuban (i think) movie about how the portuguese sold these African people and although they (cubans) adopted the language, the elders sat down with the kids once in a while to teach them stuff like : "omi" "orisha" e.t.c I was really surprised 'cause i also understood some of the songs. the pronunciations weren't perfect (and they don't speak the whole language perfectly. just words and many simple sentences) but that's what happens when you're no longer in your country and the elder who taught you had some one teach him when he was little. no guys came from Africa to teach them. they pass it down from generations (just like griots and those stories our grandparents tell us). If people came fron africa to teach them, they will probably be telling them about christianity and all the recent things going on in Nigeria but the Yoruba these cubans were speaking sound really old (who says stuff like "orisha" or whatever word they used for "God" in the past. instead of "olorun" that we use nowadays). like something my grandma will be saying not my mom or dad. the dances were really pretty too. only you'll get labeled as a witch if you tried that in Nigeria. lol I'm still trying to find the movie but i forgot the title of it so it's hard especially when the movie is old (80's i think). |
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somegirl (f)
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WesleyanA, have you heard of Lucumí? It's a variety of Yoruba spoken in Cuba.
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WesleyanA (f)
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No but i guess it's probably "old Yoruba" like the one in the movie. is that what it's called? Lucimi?
have you heard someone speak it. lol. just curious
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somegirl (f)
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No, I've never heard it spoken but I have a Lucumí-Spanish dictionary here and somewhere a play written both in Spanish and Lucumí (Maria Antonia). The dictionary has entries like:
abatá = shoe
abatá dudu = black shoe
abatá fufu = white shoe
aboru = younger sibling
achoremí = my best friend
acho téwa = our cloth
adolá mo wí = tomorrow I will speak to you
adota = 50
agbón nló = they left
etc.
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WesleyanA (f)
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it's just like yoruba.
what's "acho" in "my best friend"?
it makes sense in "our cloth" because cloth = asho. but i don't see how it relates to best friend. lol. of course "oremi" is friend.
oh well. maybe that's how they said it in the past. we never know.
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Sista (f)
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@WeslyanA
@Somegirl
Wow!
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anton (m)
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Very good topic!!! (^_^)
Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. LOL
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BigSis (f)
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Davidlynn,
It simply means you are one of people. We have the same history, culture, and experience in America. I have a natural affection for you that I feel for no other. We are family. I love you because you are one of mine.
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