Language Of Jesus

Na wah!! I tire for the bros, no be small!  

Managing 1 wife is something - and praise God, it's beautiful when she manages me.

But managing 4 wives and still be yapping incoherently on Nairaland, haa!! Babyosis, I see your point!   

Uncle Olabowale,

I'm not a military man, nor do I wear 'mei-guard' uniform and stand at the backyard of any Imam. Second, I'm not in Nigeria, even though I visit at least once a year (not for Hajj, but to see my parents and siblings), besides my many travels routinely between 7 countries in Europe and USA. Third, my heart does not long for another woman, and the one that God gave me has been the best thing that ever happened to me in terms of marriage. Your efforts to pronounce me a fornicator are not helping your case. There are many men who would take the excuse of a Qur'anic text for 4 wives and sleep around with 72 women (do the maths: that's 18 rounds of 4 'wives', or 8 x 3²).

My wife knows that I don't have girlfriends; and 1 wife is just the best thing that could ever happen to a man. It's a tough world for those who can't be satisfied with 1; so I see your desire for 3 extras. When you get there, whether you like it or not, your eye will still stray and your heart will still lust - until you know the power to live right on the inside, which comes only by faith in Jesus Christ.

I wouldn't mind much if 'he' had 4 wives and still made sense in spiritual matters; but to have 3 + 1 and still make no-sense is way beyond 'spiritual awareness' - it's rather a 'spiritual problem'. Go and read his posts and you'll get my point. Not even Muhammad who got over 22 (that's 5 times the prescribed 4, plus 2 'extras') was as incoherent as to use uncouth language about the Holy Ghost - and your dear friend would appal Muhammad the way he tries to 'defend' Islam with tactless inputs.

No, I'm not upset - rather, I think it's about time I be strict with you on this matter of fornication. If mukina2 ever felt I was tending to fornication with her from my greeting her sometime ago on Nairaland (from which time you no go let me rest ever since with your 'fornication'),  she would have openly posted any secret emails of 'toasting' or 'wooing' that she got from me - if ever there was any. I greet other people in just the same way: "How bodi?"  If you want to fornicate, uncle. . . you're in New York: go pick one from 42nd street where almost every three shops is a porn shop. No thanks, I'm not in the least interested.

I'm happy with just 1 - the only number that makes sense.

Psst: *my darling wife, if you ever read this, tell Uncle 'Wale wetin dey - I love you and you alone, from start to finish - and the day we got married will live long in my heart. Muuaaahh!!    

Thank you, @olabowale. . . I'm not taking it personal. And how I have belittled the love of all believing men and women by typing a 'wink' to be translated as e-fornication, I really don't know. It's simple: my life's straight and if my winks are misread, it's not sufficient grounds for anyone to translate them into what they're not.

Amicably. 

@4get_me: But you conveniently avoid the issue of temptation that I raised, vis a vis, Jesus's temptations and your immunity from temptation. I asked, a you better, or in the general sense of it are you ever tempted or you have not been tempted before. Lets try from the time you have become very aware of your being born again. One will ask the question; what is the role of seeking forgiveness.

My dear olabowale,

No, I didn't "conveniently" avoid the issue of temptation that you raised, and I thought my response would have been sufficient in addressing the substance of your earlier concern - which is about polygamy vis-a-vis monogamy.

To be sure, there's no one that does not face temptation in this world. The question of import, however, is how one handles temptations when they come. In the Bible, one is not to succumb to them but to rather overcome them by the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in the heart of the Christian believer. On the other hand, to take more than one wife and claim that is best suits our purposes as sanction by *Allah* does not make any sense, because it only makes one wonder why even in the Qur'an, Muhammad received "revelation" to go after his own maternal and paternal cousins - something which is antithetical to faith, reason and holiness. This is the reason that so many Muslims are not able to give a precise figure for the number of wives that the prophet of Islam took and excuses abound for any figure from 9 to 12 to 22 and more.

We all know that even if we took more than 22 wives and compete with Solomon's record of a thousand women, we'D all come to see indeed that making excuses for 3 more wives + 1 is vanity, as Solomon testified.

The big picture at the end of the day is that when temptations come (as indeed they do), faith and holiness do not drive a man to succumb to them and claim that it is the proper way and the right thing to do. Rather, we know how to overcome these temptations without making excuses - because of the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us through faith in Jesus Christ.

Marrying one wife makes sense; making excuses for 3 more wives does not solve the problem of temptations, regardless the opinions or excuses.

                           That is PAUL'S VIEW my dear
In the Bible we find that Paul does not really favor marriage, he even went as far as to say do not marry:

1 Corinthians 7:1
 "Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry

 Also

1 Corinthians 7:8-9:

 7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I

 Paul would love it if all men were single like him, he also told women to remain unmarried. What makes this all the more interesting is that these commands by Paul actually fit the description of the false prophet:

 "Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the later times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits and demonic teachings, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared. They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth." 1 Timothy 4:1-3

However so this article is not about whether Paul was a false prophet or not (which he was). The main point of this article is to see what Paul though of marriage, and the reasons to why he would allow it.

                                      You contradicted Mr PAUL?
As we shall shortly see, Paul saw marriage as a means to simply have sex, that’s all, to fulfill your sexual desires, he did not view marriage as something to fall in love with a spouse and have a loving family. To him to get married was just to go and have sex:

 1 Corinthians 7: 1-2:

1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Another translation reads:

"Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: ‘It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.’ But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, EACH MAN SHOULD HAVE HIS OWN WIFE AND EACH WOMAN HER OWN HUSBAND

So note, Paul simply tells you to marry to have sex, to fulfill your sexual desires so you don’t commit fornication.
Hope you understood?

"To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, THEY SHOULD MARRY. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion." 1 Corinthians 7:8-9

So it is better to get married rather be filled with sexual passion, so you should go get married to fulfill this sexual passion.

So as anyone can see, Paul tells you to get married so you can simply have sex, that’s all.

Backslider,
I really admire your attempts to educate firdau4u; but to really get him to understand it is important to do a bit of esposition on the Bible; what each Book is about, who wrote it, when, to whom was it written and in what context. As you can probably see from his numerous laughable posts about Jesus, bible, christianity etc, he has consistently showed the understanding of a child. The reason is that he, like a lot of his fellow 'jammat', leaders, sheiks, mullahs, imams and confusionists like Ahmad Deedat literaly took the Bible to be a simple book like quran, written by one man, for one set of people.That is the reason why his posts are always silly and child-like, because his understanding is actually child-like but the resistance of his heart is due to long period of indoctrination and the anti-christ spirit prevalent in our world now.

@mischievous haviliar,
You are like a mad man that thinks he's always right. You don't always border to read the post posted by any of your supporters of the same doctrine before you attack the personality of anybody that wrote rejoinder to it.
Do you ever read the post of babycrisis at all, before my rejoinder? 

@babyosisi
You should note that haviliar is a devil that are there to divert you from pondering over the verses I posted from bible to educate you. Check his 64th-72nd post, though the samething(cut ans paste everywhere) on this forum(religious), it was full of lies. If it was a Muslim that wrote that I trust you, you would have come down on him heavily but may be because a was a christain, you decided to hold the stick of injustice. That's not fair? 

You can never consider your posts, davislain and 4malik, that atleast, literally contain some elements of truth. You just need to be educated on the actual meaning and circumstances surrounding those things. 

Sincerely, I was a pastor not ordinary christian(church goer) before Allah show me the way, the true light. Alhamdulillahi, I have seen the true light, Al-Islam. I pray to Almighty Allah to guide your heart to the path of felicity. AMIN

@Backslider

please read her post first, the first one on this current page, just for you to know that I just tried to respond to her invectives on me. 


If that's true, then could you please explain the ff verses, with ref to the bold words
1 Corinthians 7: 1-2:
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
If I will not fornicate, then I am encourage to remain unmarried. Is that not?

1 Corinthians 7:8-9:

7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I

Was paul married during is life time?

@ Babyosisi,
Are you taking this 'demagogic imbecile' called firdau4u seriously that he was a pastor? Going through his various posts, has he ever displayed the intellect of somebody who actually once knows the scriptures or true God in his understanding and discussions? He has always been a literate (but not educated!) man with the intellect of the 'almajiris' of the north Not even pastors of Aladura or Cele churches are as idiotic and ignorant as this laughable character called 'Firdau4u'

Nothing can individual say about allah, even if you write it in lower case letters or about Muhammad (AS), that will take away from the reality of things. Allah is the Almighty. Believe it or not. Muhammad (AS) is the Messenger after Jesus (AS). No one will change it.

I will like to be the pastor, if that is true that comes to the religion of Islam. Except that I was never a pastor and I have always been a muslim. Babyosisis, fulfil that statement youhave made. be that pastor that comes to Islam and be benefitted.

this is the most stupid thread i've ever come accross. firdaus4us just looks for opportunity to create discord (funny, he usually succeeds). we all know the reason yeshua is called jesus in english, isa in arabic and pronounced Hesus in spanish. same reason why john , jean ,johann, jan, sean, juan and johanu are actually the same name. joseph, yusuf, jose, yosef and youssuou same name. same reason why alexander, alexandre, alejandro and allessandro all refer to the same macedonian emperor. football fans know that Juventus is actually pronounced 'yuventus', ajax as 'ayax'. its just a language thing. and if anyone thinks it affects our relationship with our God, the person should have his head examined. you can go check , MY GOD UNDERSTANDS EVERY LANGUAGE.

@Babyosisi; I do not know what you are talking about, in respect that some discrimination occurs in Hajj. As to use your term, the Negro quarters, where is that? I have not heard of it. Surely those who left from America or Europe have not experienced it. I have not heard it from the contigents from the African nations.

Your problem is that you have this opinion and whether it is true or false, does not matter. As long it is mud, continue to throw it, maybe it will stick. You see, while you are still alive, Islam will be victorious. Muslims have just take away hypocracy from their hearts. Doing good and avoiding evil.

I wonder if you are saying that there are no educated men and women in Islam. What happened to the America and European men and women, black and white flocking into the religion, yearly. Is it that you want to end up in fire of hell because of your arrogance? I feel for you, because, Hell is real. Its fuels include mankind, male and female.

Funny that Babyosisi spoke about rituals. Yet she never get tired of reading the Bible. She never get tired of going to church. She never get tired of kneelling to pray to who ever. She never get tired of saying in Jesus name, etc. Then she never get tired of thumping the Bible to us. She never is exhursted of trying to convert, Bible in one hand and anger in the other.

Funny she talk about rituals. The rituals that she spoke about in Islam is the right of God, the Almighty Allah over me. I also have right on Him. If I worship Him, do not associate any partner with Him, do as much good deeds for His pleasure and fear Him as much as possible, He will not condemn me to Hell, InshaAllah. This is the bargain in which I am not a loser. My Lord gets His right from me, willingly, I give it. He will give me my right from Him. He is just.

In all my years on earth, no one forced me to be a Muslim. Afterall, I was raised by a Christian mother before she converted. I never have forced anyone to become Muslim.  It will be interesting to know how the American Muslims, Male and Females of them feel about you telling them that their Islam is a movement against the white man. It will interesting to know that there are WASP and Jews and Black who are now Muslims. They come in to it daily. I will be willing to give you a lot of phone numbers of Whites, formerJews and Black people who are willing to disprove your hypothesis. All you have to say is when.

About Benny Hinn, etc, we must never forget that the total population of Africa is about 600 millions. Nigeria being 1/4 of it. Here is my question to you; if 6 millions come to Christianity, yearly, it will need 100 years to convert every person to it. That is assuming that the population is holding stead at 600. In the past ten years, in this USA, I have met former christians from Congo, Nigeria and others who have reverted back to Islam. Your Benny Hinn is a fraud. You know it and I know it.

If Muhammad was killing every one who did not become Muslim, then how came that there were Jews, Christians and Others in Madina along with the Muslims after the victory over Makka? How come he did not kill all the Arabs on the Penisula?

Thank God. Jesus was not a christian. At least you owe your own soul to find out about his religion. It is that religion you must practise. I am practising the religion of Muhammad. He practised the religion of Ibrahiim (AS, to all of them).

Do not be blinded my dear friend. Hell is real. Christianity will not be accepted to God, in the day of Judgement. There will not be anything to ransome the soul.