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firdaus4us
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The Bible is an unreliable authority because it contains numerous contradictions. Logically, if two statements are contradictory, at least one of them is false. The biblical contradictions therefore prove that the book has many false statements and is not infallible.
Examples of Old Testament Contradictions
The contradictions start in the opening chapters of the Bible, where inconsistent creation stories are told. Genesis chapter 1 says the first man and woman were made at the same time, and after the animals. But Genesis chapter 2 gives a different order of creation: man, then the animals, and then woman.
Genesis chapter 1 lists six days of creation, whereas chapter 2 refers to the "day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens." Genesis 1:2-3 claims that God created light and divided it from darkness on the first day; but Genesis 1:14-19 tells us the sun, moon, and stars weren't made until the fourth day.
Chapter 1 reports that the fruit trees were created before the man, while chapter 2 indicates they were made after him. Genesis 1:20 says the fowl were created out of the waters; Genesis 2:19 alleges they were formed from the ground.
Contradictions are also seen in the biblical story of a worldwide flood. According to Genesis 6:19-22, God ordered Noah to bring "of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort . . . into the ark." Nevertheless, Genesis 7:2-3 relates that the Lord ordered Noah to take into the ark the clean beasts and the birds by sevens, and only the unclean beasts by twos.
Genesis 8:4 reports that, as the waters of the flood receded, Noah’s ark rested on the mountains of Ararat in the seventh month. The very next verse, however, says the mountaintops could not be seen until the tenth month.
Genesis 8:13 describes the earth as being dry on the first day of the first month. But Genesis 8:14 informs us the earth was not dry until the twenty-seventh day of the second month.
The Old Testament contains an interesting contradiction in the story of the census taken by King David and the resulting punishment of the Israelites. God was so angered by the census that he sent a plague that killed 70,000 men. According to II Samuel 24:1, the Lord had caused David to take the census - which makes the punishment appear even more nonsensical. But an attempt was later made, at I Chronicles 21:1, to improve God’s image by claiming that Satan incited the census.
Further, the Old Testament is contradictory as to whether the Lord commanded the Israelites to sacrifice animals to him. At Jeremiah 7:22, God denies he ever gave the Israelites commandments about animal sacrifices. In contrast, Exodus 29:38-42 and many other verses depict God as requiring the Israelites to offer animal sacrifices.
Examples of New Testament Contradictions
In the New Testament, there are contradictions between the genealogies of Jesus given in the first chapter of Matthew and the third chapter of Luke.
Both genealogies begin with Jesus’ father, who is identified as Joseph (which is curious, given that Mary was supposedly impregnated by the Holy Ghost). But Matthew says Joseph’s father was Jacob, while Luke claims he was Heli. Matthew lists 26 generations between Jesus and King David, whereas Luke records 41. Matthew runs Jesus’ line of descent through David’s son Solomon, while Luke has it going through David’s son Nathan.
The story of Jesus' birth is also contradictory. Matthew 2:13-15 depicts Joseph and Mary as fleeing to Egypt with the baby Jesus immediately after the wise men from the east had brought gifts.
But Luke 2:22-40 claims that after the birth of Jesus, his parents remained in Bethlehem for the time of Mary’s purification (which was 40 days, under the Mosaic law). Afterwards, they brought Jesus to Jerusalem "to present him to the Lord," and then returned to their home in Nazareth. Luke mentions no journey into Egypt or visit by wise men from the east.
Concerning the death of Judas, the disloyal disciple, Matthew 27:5 states he took the money he had received for betraying Jesus, threw it down in the temple, and "went and hanged himself." To the contrary, Acts 1:18 claims Judas used the money to purchase a field and "falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."
In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross.
As for the crucifixion, Matthew 27:44 tells us Jesus was taunted by both criminals who were being crucified with him. But Luke 23:39-43 relates that only one of the criminals taunted Jesus, the other criminal rebuked the one who was doing the taunting, and Jesus told the criminal who was defending him, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
Regarding the last words of Jesus while on the cross, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 quote Jesus as crying with a loud voice, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Luke 23:46 gives his final words as, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit." John 19:30 alleges the last words were, "It is finished."
There are even contradictions in the accounts of the resurrection – the supposed event that is the very foundation of the Christian religion. Mark 16:2 states that on the day of the resurrection, certain women arrived at the tomb at the rising of the sun. But John 20:1 informs us they arrived when it was yet dark. Luke 24:2 describes the tomb as open when the women arrived, whereas Matthew 28:1-2 indicates it was closed. Mark 16:5 declares that the women saw a young man at the tomb, Luke 24:4 says they saw two men, Matthew 28:2 reports they saw an angel, and John 20:11-12 claims they saw two angels.
Also in the resurrection stories, there are contradictions as to the identity of the women who came to the tomb,[Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:10; and John 20:1] whether the men or angels the women saw were inside or outside the tomb,[Matthew 28:2 (outside) vs. Mark 16:5; Luke 24:3-4; and John 20:11-12 (inside)] whether the men or angels were standing or sitting,[Luke 24:4 (standing) vs. Matthew 28:2; Mark 16:5; and John 20:12 (sitting)
] and whether Mary Magdalene recognized the risen Jesus when he first appeared to her.[Matthew 28:9 and John 20:14]
As a final example of a New Testament contradiction, the conflicting accounts of Paul’s conversion can be cited. Acts 9:7 states that when Jesus called Paul to preach the gospel, the men who were with Paul heard a voice but saw no man. According to Acts 22:9, however, the men saw a light but didn't hear the voice speaking to Paul.
The foregoing examples are just a few of the hundreds of contradictions contained in the Old and New Testaments. Each contradiction is an instance where at least one of the verses is wrong. Thus, hundreds of contradictions mean there are at least hundreds of incorrect statements in the Bible.
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davidylan (m)
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The Bible is an unreliable authority because it contains numerous contradictions. Logically, if two statements are contradictory, at least one of them is false. The biblical contradictions therefore prove that the book has many false statements and is not infallible.
Proclaim! In the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, who created - created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood. -- Sura 96:1-2 It is he who has created man from water -- Sura 25:54 We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape. -- Sura 15:26 Amongst his signs is this, that he created you from dust. -- Sura 30:20 Well according to your "ingenius logic", if FOUR statements are contradictory, at least one of them is false. The quranic contradictions therefore prove that the book has many false statements and is not infallible. |
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must_a_far
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there is more to these statements than the way we interprete it. whether in the bible or the Quran.
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ayinla2005
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you are correct,there are too many contradiction in the bible but the christians are too "religious" to see them.whatever you have in the bible is always correct,it doesnt matter wether it sounds illogical or contradictory.who is fooling who?
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KAG (f)
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I suppose the moral of the story is something the lines of, "large books not only get things wrong, but if the large book is full of stories, then the said book will contradict itself several times".
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davidylan (m)
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you are correct,there are too many contradiction in the bible but the christians are too "religious" to see them.whatever you have in the bible is always correct,it doesnt matter wether it sounds illogical or contradictory.who is fooling who?
Did you bother to read my rejoinder on the quran's version of man's creation? Objective Question: 1. What was man created from?a) congealed blod clot b) dust c) sounding clay d) water e) all of the above |
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Amobi 1 (m)
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Guys, these are not conjtracdiction its just that you guys don't seems to understand it. Try to pray, God will review all to you. Muslim?Lol!!! should not even be religion. it teaches about hatred not love. That why naija will never unite, because of Islam. very violent people.
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babyosisi (f)
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davidylan keep up the good work.There is more where that came from i'm sure.
I will unleash 101 and more koranic contradictions when firdar4them returns.
The account of creation in the bible and Noah's story and other things he wrote there made me laugh so loud,ignorance is indeed a disease.
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babyosisi (f)
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just a sample.
What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing? "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
"But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
"He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
"And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).
The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
"And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
"When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
"And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).
Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).
Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
"Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
"The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).
Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
"We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).
Is wine consumption good or bad?
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).
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firdaus4us
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To:
babyosisi, davidylan and others like them
Al-Quran is far beyound any contradiction. We have more than 17 branches of knowdge under it alone- Tajweed, Shariah, Kira'a, Hifsu, to mension but few.
From all your posts, esp babyosisi, I have read so far, I am convinced beyound any doubt whatsoever that you are just a dilettante. Now, it is time for you to learn and I am ready to teach you.
What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
Q96:2 means all human beings except Adam, Eve and Jesus were created from clot of blood(sperm-drop).
Q25 vs 54
And it is He Who has created man from water, and has appointed for him kindred by blood, and kindred by marriage. And your Lord is Ever All-Powerful to do what He will.
The water means sperm-dot.
Q32 vs 7-9
Who made everything He has created good, and He began the creation of man from clay. Then He made his offspring from semen of worthless water (male and female sexual discharge). Then He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him the soul (created by Allâh for that person), and He gave you hearing (ears), sight (eyes) and hearts. Little is the thanks you give!
Also check this
Q77 vs 20-24
Did We not create you from a worthless water (semen, etc.)?
Then We placed it in a place of safety (womb),
For a known period (determined by gestation)?
So We did measure, and We are the Best to measure (the things).
Woe that Day to the deniers (of the Day of Resurrection)!
Q15:26 refers to Adam
Q3:59 is to let you know that Jesus creation is not all that different from that of Adam that was created from dust.
NOTE:
Allah created mankind in four different ways
1) Neither father nor Mother-Adam
2) Father no Mother_Eve
3) Mother no father-Jesus
4) Both father and mother_other beings
Question for you
According to tha Bible
1) from what is Melchisedec created from?
2)who is higher, Melchisedec or Jesus?
3) How are you created?
Dust, clay, earth, sand, ashes, any anme you call it, are all Synonyms
Check: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1)
Q19:67 means what Allah used in creating us came from nothing. Figuratively, sand means nothing.
Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
Yes, there is no compulsion in religion.
Q2:256 testify to that
Q9:3 is talking about the punishment on the day of Jugdement.
Q9:5 and Q9:29 permit Muslims to fight the disbeleivers except in the Sacred Months.
This is common to all other prophets even in the Bible, just example:
At I Samuel 15:3, the prophet Samuel gives King Saul this commandment from the Lord: "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
Ezekiel 9:4-7 has this harrowing account: "And the Lord said unto him, Go through . . . the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark. . .
In Numbers chapter 31, the Lord approves of these instructions that Moses gave to the Israelite soldiers about how to treat certain women and children captured in war: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Isaiah 13:9,15-18 contains this message from God: "Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger. . . . Every one that is found shall be thrust through. . . . Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes . . . and their wives ravished. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them. . . . [T]hey shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes will not spare children."
Exception in Islam, read:
Q60 vs 8.
Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity.
Q60 vs 9. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allâh forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers those who disobey Allâh).
The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
The prophets are always the first Muslim during their time.
Q2 vs 131: When his Lord said to him, "Submit (i.e. be a Muslim)!" He said, "I have submitted myself (as a Muslim) to the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists)."
NOTE:
Muslim refers to those that surrender to the commandment of their Lord, Allah, i.e the BELIEVERS
Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
He forgives as long as you didn't die on that part.
Q39 vs 53
Say: "O 'Ibâdî (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allâh, verily Allâh forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful
Q4:48 and Q4:116 is talking about those that die on that part.
For more explaination, check:
Q4 vs 17. Allâh accepts only the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and foolishness and repent soon afterwards; it is they to whom Allâh will forgive and Allâh is Ever AllKnower, AllWise.
Q4 vs 18. And of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil deeds until death faces one of them and he says: "Now I repent;" nor of those who die while they are disbelievers. For them We have prepared a painful torment.
Q4:153 is best explained by Q2 vs 54
And (remember) when Mûsa (Moses) said to his people: "O my people! Verily, you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf. So turn in repentance to your Creator and kill yourselves (the innocent kill the wrongdoers among you), that will be better for you with your Lord." Then He accepted your repentance. Truly, He is the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful.
They sough for His forgiveness and He forgave them.
Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
Allah's decree will never change.
No human beings not even the Angels know whatever Allah has decrees, not until it has come to past. Then, how can you change what came to your knowldge after its occurence.
Part of His decrees are the rewards for the good doers and punishment for the rejecters of faith.
Q2:106 is talking about ABROGATION OF SOME LAWS OF ALLAH.
Allah do abrogate His laws to ease our tasks, e.g in the consumption of wine, Allah abrogated the first the 2verses I'm going to quote now with the last one.
Q2 vs 219. They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is beyond your needs." Thus Allâh makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought.
Q4 vs 43. O you who believe! Approach not AsSalât (the prayer) when you are in a drunken state until you know (the meaning) of what you utter, nor when you are in a state of Janâba, (i.e. in a state of sexual impurity and have not yet taken a bath) except when travelling on the road (without enough water, or just passing through a mosque), till you wash your whole body. And if you are ill, or on a journey, or one of you comes after answering the call of nature, or you have been in contact with women (by sexual relations) and you find no water, perform Tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands (Tayammum)[]. Truly, Allâh is Ever OftPardoning, OftForgiving.
Q5 vs 90. O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), gambling, AlAnsâb, and AlAzlâm (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaitân's (Satan) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful.
Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
He definately perish in that sea.
Q10:90-92 is one of the miracles of the Holy Quran. Pharaoh perish but Allah saved his body from being consumed by the anything in the sea not even the sea. The scientist wanted to prove Quran wrong went to the sea but they came out with his body. Just see his picture below.
Is wine consumption good or bad?
Forget good or bad, it is HARAM in this world, though Bible said you can be taken it in small quantity.
Q47:15 is on the day of Jugdement-4 Rivers in paradise (water, wine, milk and honey)
Now, please reply to what I posted, including the questions I raised here, the same way I replied to yours. Please, explain in detail!
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davidylan (m)
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Blood clot - Semen  Allah must be confused here! What is a sperm-dot? Who was Eve's father? Is the Adam and Eve story of the creation a muslim event or mere plagiarism of bible stories? Were Cain and Abel part of the quran? What are their genealogies in the quran? The bible makes it clear man was made from dust! BUT man became a living soul when God breathed the breath of life in him! Melchisedec? Sorry what is being refered to here is God in priestly form! He was no human being! You fail to understand! Q4:153 is best explained by Q2 vs 54
And (remember) when Mûsa (Moses) said to his people: "O my people! Verily, you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf. So turn in repentance to your Creator and kill yourselves (the innocent kill the wrongdoers among you), that will be better for you with your Lord." Then He accepted your repentance. Truly, He is the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful. It is not in my bible that Moses uttered such foolishness, infact Moses on more than one occassion had to stand between God and the Isrealites to prevent God from destroying them. The person who plagiarized that bible event did a bad job! Q60 vs 8.
Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity. No he does not! What of the 3000 who died at the world trade center? Did they drive you out of your homes? Q9:5 and Q9:29 permit Muslims to fight the disbeleivers except in the Sacred Months.
This is common to all other prophets even in the Bible, just example: "Common" under the law (old testament) until the law of grace came in (Jesus Christ)! Now you are to love your enemies AS YOURSELF! God frequently gave up his people to their enemies in order to punish them for their disobedience, we have a God here who IS just, destruction was not only a perogative of the Jews, their enemies too defeated them several times! |
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davidylan (m)
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@ firdaus4them!
Have some common sense, take a good look at that supposed photo of Pharaoh! Since he perished in the sea, how come we still have a mummified body? Who wrapped him in those wraps or did the scientiests do that? Which sea was he pulled out from? No body has ever been recovered from the red sea infact recent evidence suggests the sea that parted may not have been the red sea but the reed sea! a large body of water that has almost dried up now!
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Remmzy (m)
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wonderful, spiritual warfare on the internet  . Off i go!
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babyosisi (f)
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@daivdylan,of course he'll return to spew out the answers his imams give them so as to stay in business.
Allah created man from dust=sperm dot=water=nothing.
go figure.
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goodguy (m)
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firdaus4us, please, when was that picture taken? Recently? (Because I see it's a color photograph) Because I really wonder how the bones of someone who died thousands of years ago could still be as properly assembled as that, even with hairs on his head! .
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babyosisi (f)
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and that picture is supposed to prove that spermdot does not disintegrate?
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babyosisi (f)
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Is there any proof that the Bible is true?
To prove if the Bible is true, we don't need to look far. Hundreds of books with historical, scientific, and archeological data have supported the Bible's credibility. The studies for these truths are called apologetics.
Most people today, unfortunately, have not even read the Bible. As a result, many people tend to go along with the increasing delusion that the Bible is full of mistakes and no longer relevant to present times. Their searches have been from a surging atheistic desire to disprove the Bible.
Instead, thousands of investigative findings have led to confirmation of the exact details stated in the Bible. Historical, archeological, and scientific evidences alike have reinforced proof of Bible truths. Confirmations have been almost innumerable, particularly in this last century (i.e. the Dead Sea Scrolls, Red Sea Crossing site, etc).
Dr. Nelson Glueck, perhaps the utmost modern authority on Israeli archeology, said: "No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."
The Word of God was penned by inspiration from the Creator long before scientists stamped their approval on experimental findings. But mankind tends to look at things from a skeptical or scientific, secular perspective when the facts have been in the Bible all along. A few examples of this include:
The Earth is round, not flat as once believed (Isaiah 40:22).
Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6).
Field of Gravity (Job 26:7).
Biological importance of blood to life (Leviticus 17:11).
In addition, there are statements consistent with Paleontology. For instance, several books in the Bible refer to dinosaurs. Job 40:15 and 41:1 speak of two such creatures. And there are numerous verses referring to dragons. Yet mistakenly, some have thought dinosaurs and men did not exist at the same time.
An undisputable proof is the overwhelming 100% accuracy of Biblical prophecy. There are thousands of fulfilled prophecies including about the life, death, and resurrection of Christ. For example, one of the many Old Testament Messianic prophecies fulfilled by Jesus can be read in Isaiah 53. It describes the life of Jesus Christ 700 years before it happened! Keep in mind that all of the Holy Bible is God inspired and is His revelation of all truths!
Without reading the Bible, it is difficult to determine its truths. Spend time reading the Bible on a regular basis and search out for yourself what the Lord has already told us; it is rich with His loving design, wisdom, and sovereign power.
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firdaus4us
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Your first ignorant: You said "firdaus4them" What that means is that you have totally agreed that paradise is not for you. Well, I pray that you should not die on that part.
Secondly, you said: "have some common sense". I am very sure if you see me physically, you cannot dare utter that statement. Well that shows you level of immaturity in handling arguments. Were you really thought to love your enemy like yourself as you claimed?
Thirdly, you said "It is not in my bible that Moses uttered such foolishness, infact Moses on more than one occassion had to stand between God and the Isrealites to prevent God from destroying them"
What about: Exodus 32:27-28
And he said to them: Thus saith the Lord God of Israel: Put every man his sword upon his thigh: go, and return from gate to gate through the midst of the camp, and let every man kill his brother, and friend, and neighbour. And the sons of Levi did according to the words of Moses, and there were slain that day about three and twenty thousand men.
I don't think I need to always respond to your post because they are always specious and sometimes incongruous with the Bible itself,
All the questions u raised show that you are nonplussed about the miracle.
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Please respond to first post I posted in this topic. Treat all them (the statements) one after the other.
Thanks
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davidylan (m)
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@ firdaus4them Your first ignorant: You said "firdaus4them" What that means is that you have totally agreed that paradise is not for you. Well, I pray that you should not die on that part.
No! If by paradise you are talking about 72 wives and rivers flowing with beer, then i am NOT interested in going there with you! I would much rather prefer the heaven promised in my bible to that one filled with debauchery! Secondly, you said: "have some common sense". I am very sure if you see me physically, you cannot dare utter that statement. Well that shows you level of immaturity in handling arguments. Were you really thought to love your enemy like yourself as you claimed?
I have no appologies for having issued that statement! So anyone that accuses another of not having common sense does not love that person? Is love equal to condoning ridiculous behaviour? Take a good look at the "mummified" body you refered to as the pharaoh that drowned in the red sea! How could a body that drowned still be in almost intact form? Who wrapped that body up? The scientists? Address that issue first rather than chasing shadows about "common sense"! The fact that you could not study that photo to verify its authenticity shows you are just clutching at straws! Thirdly, you said "It is not in my bible that Moses uttered such foolishness, infact Moses on more than one occassion had to stand between God and the Isrealites to prevent God from destroying them"
What about: Exodus 32:27-28
And he said to them: Thus saith the Lord God of Israel: Put every man his sword upon his thigh: go, and return from gate to gate through the midst of the camp, and let every man kill his brother, and friend, and neighbour. And the sons of Levi did according to the words of Moses, and there were slain that day about three and twenty thousand men.
I don't think I need to always respond to your post because they are always specious and sometimes incongruous with the Bible itself,
You are the very picture of confusion! Your topic indicates we should NOT uphold the bible as the original word of God, yet you are using that same bible to validate a plagiarised quote in the Quran! What sort of double speak is that? You speak of my incongruity: please read your own statements: Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
Allah's decree will never change.Then next: Allah do abrogate His laws to ease our tasks, e.g in the consumption of wine, Allah abrogated the first the 2verses I'm going to quote now with the last one. |
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Drusilla (f)
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firdaus4us,
I was told by God to go and get a bible. So I believe God.
Outside of that, I find that most of the contradictions are either irrelevant (technical mistakes) to what the bible is telling you or the contradictions could be very much in God's plan.
We are not wise enough or big enough to understand why God allowed contradictions.
Yet, I have seen one person get saved out of a horrible christian cult because of seeing a biblical contradiction.
The person is still a christian but now follows the normative christian doctrine and not the insane cult doctrine.
So God is able to use even the contradictions to save His people.
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TV01 (m)
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Sorry peeps, this is totally off topic and not related.
Hi Dru, good to hear your voice. Hope all is well. God bless.
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donmayor (m)
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It is funny to see someone misinterprete the bible and call them contradicitons. I am not an expert theologian, I am not writing to argue about whether muslims or christians are supreme. I agree that many bible thoelogians are confused as to the meaning of the scriptures but these confused men do not dispute the validity of the scriptures because it's only someone who cannot understand grammar that would call what u call contradictions contradictions.
Genesis 2 was not talking about creation in a specific order. The order of creation has been explicitly stated in Genesis 1. God had created everything but the bible talked about God specifically planting the garden of Eden for man.He put man there meaning man's point of creation was not eden. Vs.19 says And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof, It still reiterates Genesis 1 but adds where their names were generated from.
I don't have the energy to go through ur contradicitons one by one but what I can clearly see is ignorance. When the bible says the flood receded, it means the water levels went down not disappeared and the fact that the ark rested on the mountains of ararat does not mean the tops of mount ararat was visible.
Do u know why I can never be a muslim? because muslims are scared of something. Scared of the truth being revealed. Thats why they oppress other religions that exist in their locality. These contradictions are written out of fear. Your so called contradictions if looked at in the proper light would never stand any test. I was talking to someone some time ago and he went like who did Cain marry and i said go into the bible that you guys are trying hard to dispute and you would see it saying in Gen 5 that Adam had many sons and daughters. The validity of the scriptures cannot be disputed. It's only that confusion arise as to its interpretation because men try to use their own reasoning to interprete the scriptures. Take a look at the prophecies and tell me they are lies.
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Drusilla (f)
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TV01, I am fine. Thank you.  |
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IDINRETE
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Hi everybody!
Should we not ponder on the reality that most of the stuffs in the bible were actually plagiarized from texts and documents from the Egyptian Religion. Moses copied his ten commandments from the 142 Laws of Amenhotep that was written thousands of years before Moses was even born. All the so-called religious gurus, prophets, patriarchs or whatever! even the notable Greek Philosophers went down to Egypt to study the earliest civilization known to mankind. Even Jesus Christ himself was taken to Egypt when he was young. please I need some enlightenment what in Ra's name they went there for if not to study, steal, plunder, copied, plagiarized all the religious and spiritual materials of Ancient Egypt.
If the bible is the word of God how come we have countless versions? I tell you what, the bible was compiled, edited by some racist theologians at the Council of Germania to deprive Africans of their religious, spiritual endowments. More to come>>>>>,
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Drusilla (f)
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Idinrette,
I generally agree. The only thing is, if the bible is basically a stolen document from the Egyptians.
Then that makes the bible an African Holy Book.
Isn't it wonderful where God used their evil of stealing the African Holy Book, to bring it back to Africans?
We are the most Christian people in the world, more African Christians than there are white or asian Christians.
It seems we love the bible more than others.
I think we can feel in our bones that it is our book anyways. As you say.
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babyosisi (f)
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Hi everybody!
Should we not ponder on the reality that most of the stuffs in the bible were actually plagiarized from texts and documents from the Egyptian Religion. Moses copied his ten commandments from the 142 Laws of Amenhotep that was written thousands of years before Moses was even born. All the so-called religious gurus, prophets, patriarchs or whatever! even the notable Greek Philosophers went down to Egypt to study the earliest civilization known to mankind. Even Jesus Christ himself was taken to Egypt when he was young. please I need some enlightenment what in Ra's name they went there for if not to study, steal, plunder, copied, plagiarized all the religious and spiritual materials of Ancient Egypt.
If the bible is the word of God how come we have countless versions? I tell you what, the bible was compiled, edited by some racist theologians at the Council of Germania to deprive Africans of their religious, spiritual endowments. More to come>>>>>,
The bible has several versions based on type of English. The Koran has several interpretations too. Your first claim is totally bogus,stop telling stories you have no proof of,anyone can make up anything afterall this is the internet,even 50 year old pedophiles have claimed to be teenagers. |
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KAG (f)
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I thought I'D give a rebuttal because nobody else had done it, however I'D like to poit out that I'm in no way arguing for an Islamic side (just covering all bases), and I agree that both texts are flawed and contain several contradictions. Before I go into a post rebuttal, I'D like to refer your attention(s) to some archeological findings. First, the city of Troy as metioned by Homer, was found: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1490367/posts Many thought the city was mythical before it was found. Second, not only was the city of Troy found, the tomb of Odysseus has also be found: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1490367/postsI posted those references to show that archeological findings are in no way evidence for the supernatural and mythical reportings in tales. Also, they aren't evidence for supernatural deities - finding Odysseus' tomb isn't evidence that Zeus is throwing lightening bolts. Is there any proof that the Bible is true?
To prove if the Bible is true, we don't need to look far. Hundreds of books with historical, scientific, and archeological data have supported the Bible's credibility. The studies for these truths are called apologetics.
Most people today, unfortunately, have not even read the Bible. As a result, many people tend to go along with the increasing delusion that the Bible is full of mistakes and no longer relevant to present times. Their searches have been from a surging atheistic desire to disprove the Bible. Not quite true. I do think it's rather amusing how you lay the blame on an atheistic desire to disprove the Bible though. First, while many books have supported the Bible, others have quite rightly debated and disputed several aspects of it. Second, I wouldn't say the Bible was full of mistakes, it does have its fair share of mistakes though. Finally, while many - includig myself - agree with some of the themes in the Bible, it is with good reason that some of the things found in NT, and many found in the OT are recognised as archaic, and no longer relevant. Instead, thousands of investigative findings have led to confirmation of the exact details stated in the Bible. Historical, archeological, and scientific evidences alike have reinforced proof of Bible truths. Confirmations have been almost innumerable, particularly in this last century (i.e. the Dead Sea Scrolls, Red Sea Crossing site, etc). Remember the references I mentioned at the start? Finding aspects and places mentioned in mythical tales don't make everything mentioned true. Dr. Nelson Glueck, perhaps the utmost modern authority on Israeli archeology, said: "No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries." That's not quite true either. While many, if not most, of the archeological findings related to Biblical accounts have confirmed the existence of the places, and to a lesser extent, the people, some haven't. One example would be the "gates of the city of Nain" written about in Luke 7:11 "And it came to pass the day after, that he went into a city called Nain… 12 Now when he came nigh to the gate of the city". Problem is archeology says the city had no walls so no gate. More examples include the lack of archeological evidence for the enslavement of the Israelites by the Egyptians, and the Israelites journey after their alledged release. The Word of God was penned by inspiration from the Creator long before scientists stamped their approval on experimental findings. But mankind tends to look at things from a skeptical or scientific, secular perspective when the facts have been in the Bible all along. A few examples of this include:
The Earth is round, not flat as once believed (Isaiah 40:22). The problem is it does get scientific things wrong too, not being a science book and all that. I've said it and I'll say it again round = 2d, while spherical = 3d; and while spherical isn't exactly right it's a lot closer than round. Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6). Sounds right. Field of Gravity (Job 26:7). "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing." I'm sorry, but how do you get the field of gravity out of that verse? Biological importance of blood to life (Leviticus 17:11). Aye, it gets that right, but not to rain on the parade, I would suggest that a deity wasn't needed to figure that out. In addition, there are statements consistent with Paleontology. For instance, several books in the Bible refer to dinosaurs. Job 40:15 and 41:1 speak of two such creatures. And there are numerous verses referring to dragons. Yet mistakenly, some have thought dinosaurs and men did not exist at the same time. They are not consistent with paleontology. The evidence suggests that dinosaurs died out long before the arrival of humans, which is what paleontology says. Also - and this has been discussed before - the verses are, in my estimation, talking about either a hippo, or perhaps a komodo dragon, not a dinosaur. Dinosaurs for one thing, don't fit the bill . An undisputable proof is the overwhelming 100% accuracy of Biblical prophecy. There are thousands of fulfilled prophecies including about the life, death, and resurrection of Christ. For example, one of the many Old Testament Messianic prophecies fulfilled by Jesus can be read in Isaiah 53. It describes the life of Jesus Christ 700 years before it happened! Keep in mind that all of the Holy Bible is God inspired and is His revelation of all truths! Ridiculous. Several fulfillments have been retroactively shoehorned to make them seem like they fulfilled prophecies. In fact some of them weren't intended to be read in that light, but they've been hijacked and paraded as prophecies. One example I gave of a retroactively applied prophecy was the "a virgin will give birth…and she shall call him Immanuel" prophecy. That verse wasn't a messianic prophecy, but it was somehow taken to be one, and the word "maiden" became "virgin". However, even if we accept it as a messianic prophecy, a problem still exists. The name of the child should be Immanuel, and not Jesus, ergo the prophecy wasn't fulfilled by Jesus. Moving on to Isaiah 53, that wasn't intended as a messianic prophecy either; the book was talking about Israel not a messiah. However, even if we assume it was intended that way, and assume the writers of the NT were completely honest, several things still stand out. "3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.That's clearly not true. Not only was Jesus accepted by many while he was alive (see for example the alledged feeding of over 5,000 followers in a desert), he is even more accepted now. Billions are Christians, and so by default don't despise him, and many more have incorporated him into beliefs. He is both revered and esteemed. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. John 18:34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.Not exactly the silence predicted. [b]because he had done no violence A little shakey, but if the gospel of Thomas is anything to go by, then this bit is negated. There's also the whole temple debacle with the traders and money lenders. While I would say it was violent, some may argue against my definition of violence. he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Except you hold to the whole Mary Magdalene affair (and that has nothing but anecdotes in its favour), pretty much unfulfilled. |
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KAG (f)
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Well, I'm convinced! If Ron "I found the blood of Jesus, honest" Wyatt doesn't convince the skeptics out there, then…something more tangible than a hack will have to be presented. I can't believe people still take Ron "I don't trust scientists, so I won't let them see and test my discoveries" Wyatt seriously. I mean even AiG have pretty much agreed with the E.A.C. and shown the guy for the fraud he was. See: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/report.asp, http://www.isitso.org/guide/wyatt.html, and finally tentmaker's: http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/"To date, none of those who invested this money has seen a shred of scientific evidence substantiating Ron Wyatt's claims. Where is the report from the blood sample analysis of what Ron claims is the blood of Jesus Christ? Where is the Ark of the Covenant? Which museum is housing the ancient chariot wheels he claimed to have been from the Red Sea Crossing? There is no evidence because the video is a fraud. On the Noah's Ark video, all the so-called scientific data cannot be duplicated, a clear sign that what was given the labs was false data" |
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KAG (f)
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Hi everybody!
Should we not ponder on the reality that most of the stuffs in the bible were actually plagiarized from texts and documents from the Egyptian Religion. Moses copied his ten commandments from the 142 Laws of Amenhotep that was written thousands of years before Moses was even born. Most? I've asked you before to provide evidence that most of the stuff in the Bible was plagarised from…, I'll ask again. While I agree that some of the things in the Bible were "borrowed" or influenced by other cultures like the Sumerians and yes the Egyptians, I would disagree vehemently that most were stolen from the Egyptians, let alone the Egyptian religion. If the bible is the word of God how come we have countless versions? I tell you what, the bible was compiled, edited by some racist theologians at the Council of Germania to deprive Africans of their religious, spiritual endowments. More to come>>>>>,
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KAG (f)
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We are the most Christian people in the world, more African Christians than there are white or asian Christians.
Any actual evidence for that, like perhaps a poll or studies etc? |
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Drusilla (f)
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Kag, I read it in a textbook. It was for a class about Africa. It was talking about African religions. But for our purposes, here is a website where we can do some math. (forgive me I am atrocious at math) For instance this website says there are 348 million Christians in Africa (particularily below the sahel or what is called by some: Black Africa). http://www.zpub.com/un/pope/relig.htmlThe same site attributes about: 306 million Christians in Asia 551 million Christians in Europe 248 million Christians in America 448 million Christians in Latin America 24 million Christians in Oceania But you must keep in mind that there are a lot of Blacks in these areas. For instance 20 percent of South Asians say they consider themselves blacks. Also 160 million Blacks in India Alone. Even 1 out of every 118 Chinese people say they are Black. Europe is a little deceptive because they are now counting areas of the world all the way to the sea of Japan to be Europe. But anyways numerous Blacks are there and are Christians. Latin America of course has a great number of Blacks as much as one third is straight out Black and many more are "black" but since they have sometimes 150 different races, they are not counted as Black. And America where Blacks number at least 40 million and more in Canada and including Blacks who are hispanic. Who are 95 percent christian. So let us subtract those black christians from the other areas of the World. -56 million in Asia -51 million in Europe -48 million in America -150 million in Latin America -12 million in Oceania And now add these to the 338 million in Africa, subtracting the 10 million whites (est) who live in Africa. 756 million Black christians in the world 700 million 'white' christians in the world 298 million Latino (majority are mulatto or colored populations) 250 million Asian christians in the world 12 million Oceania christians More Black Christians in the world. If we begin to talk about the Mulattos and Colored of Latin American countries and/or Carribean countries, we move far past any other group. |
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