HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?

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mayoroflag (m)
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #384 on: February 20, 2008, 05:25 PM »

I'm a HND holder with lower credit. I've done my research and the HND is considered a step below the BSc based on British and Scottish curricula from which we developed ours. In fact these days, British school insist that HND holders get a BSc top up (1 year programme) before proceeding for their Masters. However, you can give it to them their that the system works.

In Nigeria, there are several disparities and inequities, between polytechnics and universities, between states and the federally created institutions. The cause of all these rancour is that we do not place merit in the way we carry all policies in Nigeria. In America, some state universities rank among the top 200 in the world. In Africa, and especially in Nigeria, we like to arrogate to ourselves titles that we have not earned. If Nigeria was prosperous and was currently an employees' market, employers will not have the liver to make choices and will even go far to offer people of lesser qualification attractive career and education development programmes to keep them in the system. Unfortunately, states create polytechnics and universities too to appease their many indigenes who might not not ordinarily qualify to enter institutions of higher learning in the first place. How many states institutions can boast of any meaningful achievement with the exception of mainly business departments who have had to contend with ICAN, CIBN and CIS as levellers in determining educational superiority? In any case, what we discover is that more polytechnic graduates do better in professional exams and this might even interpret to mean that these might be victims of the quota system. In any case, it is regretful that in order to preserve the mediocre, lawmakers preferred to stay Ezekwesili's reforms. Even after 200 years, we will still have to reform if our education is to have any meaning, and if our country is going to be able to make use of education, literacy, technology, and human advances to better the lot of our country rather than using them as tools to phd ourselves.

God bless Nigeria
zebra
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #385 on: February 21, 2008, 06:53 PM »

Nigeria and Uk are 2 different countries. UK HND is the 1st 2 years of a 3 yr Degree program. Nigeria HND is 5 years like BTech and BEng programs.
enitan2002 (m)
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #386 on: September 24, 2008, 06:24 AM »

Quote from: mayoroflag on February 20, 2008, 05:25 PM
I'm a HND holder with lower credit. I've done my research and the HND is considered a step below the BSc based on British and Scottish curricula from which we developed ours. In fact these days, British school insist that HND holders get a BSc top up (1 year programme) before proceeding for their Masters. However, you can give it to them their that the system works.

In Nigeria, there are several disparities and inequities, between polytechnics and universities, between states and the federally created institutions. The cause of all these rancour is that we do not place merit in the way we carry all policies in Nigeria. In America, some state universities rank among the top 200 in the world. In Africa, and especially in Nigeria, we like to arrogate to ourselves titles that we have not earned. If Nigeria was prosperous and was currently an employees' market, employers will not have the liver to make choices and will even go far to offer people of lesser qualification attractive career and education development programmes to keep them in the system. Unfortunately, states create polytechnics and universities too to appease their many indigenes who might not not ordinarily qualify to enter institutions of higher learning in the first place. How many states institutions can boast of any meaningful achievement with the exception of mainly business departments who have had to contend with ICAN, CIBN and CIS as levellers in determining educational superiority? In any case, what we discover is that more polytechnic graduates do better in professional exams and this might even interpret to mean that these might be victims of the quota system. In any case, it is regretful that in order to preserve the mediocre, lawmakers preferred to stay Ezekwesili's reforms. Even after 200 years, we will still have to reform if our education is to have any meaning, and if our country is going to be able to make use of education, literacy, technology, and human advances to better the lot of our country rather than using them as tools to phd ourselves.

God bless Nigeria



my thumb up for you, you said it all
ishmael (m)
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #387 on: September 30, 2008, 10:29 AM »

Some HND holders are even better than Bsc holder, but the society has made them to believe that they are inferior to Bsc holders. Until the day the name polytechnic is replaced with the name university, graduates from polytechnics irrespective of the Degree the are awarded will still face discrimination in Nigeria.
You cannot tell me that employers in Nigeria will employ a BTech graduate from polytechnic and leave out a BSc or BTech graduate from a university.

I learnt FG wants polytechnic to start running BTech programs, but in science and Technology courses only. Social sciences, management and Arts courses will be stopped according to them.

But i have a question to ask; why cant polytechnics award BTech degreees in a course like Accounting? after all some universities of Technology award Btech Degrees in Accounting?
madee (m)
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #388 on: October 01, 2008, 04:38 PM »

Guys, u ar all right. BSC ---HND.
I ve my HND some yrs ago and because of the discrimination i'm made to work in one of the Banks using my N.D.
I  worked for 2 years but i had to quit the job and go back to school for my BSC.
So, fellow HND brother " if u cant bet them, pls. join them."
ishmael (m)
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #389 on: October 02, 2008, 05:10 PM »

Quote from: madee on October 01, 2008, 04:38 PM
Guys, u ar all right. BSC ---HND.
I ve my HND some years ago and because of the discrimination i'm made to work in one of the Banks using my N.D.
I worked for 2 years but i had to quit the job and go back to school for my BSC.
So, fellow HND brother " if u can't bet them, please. join them."


what you did was the right thing. HND in Nigeria is looked down at; banks use them as contract staff and not full staff. in some cases you are employed with ND even when it's obvious that you have HND.
joy2dworld
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #390 on: October 04, 2008, 03:57 PM »

i have read this post  and i agree to a reasonable extent.
am an HND holder and work with a financial instition in Nigeria i had my promotion regularly and i know it is the grace of God that has put me here but i would want to say HND holders still have a Chance i have several friends who have HND too working in other financial institions ( even though they do not have additional qualifications yet)
so with God on your side, the sky is the limit.
i agree we HND holders need to improve on our qualifications so  as not to be kicked aside but the ultimate is hard work and force on your goal 
don't give up and God wont give up on you

good luck!!
ishmael (m)
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #391 on: October 06, 2008, 08:25 AM »

Quote from: joy2dworld on October 04, 2008, 03:57 PM
i have read this post and i agree to a reasonable extent.
am an HND holder and work with a financial instition in Nigeria i had my promotion regularly and i know it is the grace of God that has put me here but i would want to say HND holders still have a Chance i have several friends who have HND too working in other financial institions ( even though they do not have additional qualifications yet)
so with God on your side, the sky is the limit.
i agree we HND holders need to improve on our qualifications so as not to be kicked aside but the ultimate is hard work and force on your goal
don't give up and God wont give up on you

good luck!!

Does that mean that all Bsc holders work harder than HND holders to be given more recognition and  be placed ahead of HND holders ??
zebra
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #392 on: September 29, 2009, 12:30 PM »

it's still an embarrassment till today. a lot of pple with HND are really not happy with the way government and the society treat HND holders despite their skills.
b_jralph
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #393 on: October 06, 2009, 01:52 PM »

I believe we know who we are and how competent we are, but i think if the government is not taking proper measures to align this issues, then i think the Polytechnic admins should take it up especially against any organization who refuses or discriminates HND holders cos it's against the rules of the government. Tnx!
ishmael (m)
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #394 on: October 06, 2009, 04:33 PM »

Quote from: b_jralph on October 06, 2009, 01:52 PM
I believe we know who we are and how competent we are, but i think if the government is not taking proper measures to align this issues, then i think the Polytechnic admins should take it up especially against any organization who refuses or discriminates HND holders cos it's against the rules of the government. Tnx!

against which government?? if you must know it is even government ministries that discriminate against HND graduates the most. Forget about government jo.
b_jralph
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #395 on: October 06, 2009, 04:46 PM »

In that case the polytechnic Amins should take it up cos sooner or later, pp will stop going to polys
ishmael (m)
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #396 on: October 06, 2009, 06:38 PM »

To me it's stressful going to polytechnic or holding a polytechnic certificate. People should forget about that old fashioned school called poly where you learn a lot; lets all go to university since that is what the government want. what a misplaced priority on the side of the nigerian government.
landos4rea
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #397 on: October 06, 2009, 07:42 PM »

HERE IS MY VIEW ON HND CERT. MY RECENT EXPERIENCE MADE ME UNDERSTAND THAT NO ESTABLISHMENT WHETHER PUBLIC OR PRIVATE WISH TO EMPLOY HND HOLDERS DUE TO REASONS BEST KNOW TO THEM. RECENTLY IN OSUN STATE UNIVERSITY TEACHING HOSPITAL  RECRUITMENT, IT WAS HND HOLDERS THAT LED THE TEST RESULTS, ESPECIALLY  FOR ACCOUNTS OFFICERS WHICH I LED WITH 70 PERCENT , BUT THE APPLICANT WITH LOWER, BSC  WAS SELECTED FOR NEXT STAGE OF SELECTION. MY ADVISE IS THAT WE SHOULD BE PRAYERFUL FOR GOD INTERVENTION, ALSON WE SHOULD ACQUIRE HIGHER QUALIFICATION , MAY BE PROFESSIONAL OR ACADEMIC. COOOOOL
b_jralph
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #398 on: October 07, 2009, 08:30 AM »

landos4rea, u r right.  think Poly peeps should endeavor to add value to them self by taking a lot of professional certifications and not just stop at the HND thing.
ishmael (m)
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #399 on: October 07, 2009, 03:48 PM »

Quote from: b_jralph on October 07, 2009, 08:30 AM
landos4rea, u r right. think Poly peeps should endeavor to add value to them self by taking a lot of professional certifications and not just stop at the HND thing.

even after getting additional qualifications like pgd and some certifications, some organisations still remind you that you do not have a bsc degree; to them degree is the ultimate and it is first considered before any higher qualification or certification.
Beware!!
b_jralph
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #400 on: October 07, 2009, 04:05 PM »

:-< God is in control peeps
ishmael (m)
Re: HND Certificate: An Embarrassment?
« #401 on: October 08, 2009, 09:02 AM »

Quote from: b_jralph on October 07, 2009, 04:05 PM
:-< God is in control peeps

yes o, but until graduates of polytechnics start heading polytechnics there will always be discrimination. look at most rectors, HOD's , lecturers etc. in the polytechnics, they are all uni graduates.
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