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katherinae (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #32 on: November 17, 2006, 04:35 AM »

tell the nigerian girls who don't like u to kiss your AFRICAN AMERICAN A** hope that advice helps
Hero (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #33 on: November 18, 2006, 12:38 AM »

Quote from: katherinae on November 17, 2006, 04:35 AM
tell the nigerian girls who don't like u to kiss your AFRICAN AMERICAN A** hope that advice helps

Are you Igbo?
katherinae (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #34 on: November 19, 2006, 11:26 PM »

hero im i in trouble for making that comment, sorry but im a tad sick of naija babes acting up.  and yes im very much and igbo lady
Hero (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #35 on: November 21, 2006, 12:59 AM »

Quote from: katherinae on November 19, 2006, 11:26 PM
hero im i in trouble for making that comment, sorry but im a tad sick of naija babes acting up. and yes im very much and igbo lady

Why are you in trouble for telling the truth? Anyway, I took a peak at your picture, and instantly could tell that you were an Igbo women, and my reason for this may just get me into a bit of trouble around here as well, but I'll say it anyway. The way I could tell is because you have a look like that of alot of AA girls, a distinct type of look in which out of all of the African females I've encountered--- I see most prominently amongst you Igbo females, and no I'm not talking about skin tones here be actual facial and body structures plus hair type. 
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #36 on: November 21, 2006, 01:04 AM »

to hero,

You look Igbo too, pretty much like my childhood friend.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #37 on: November 21, 2006, 01:12 AM »

Hero,

Do you see that Yoruba's look just like AA also, or do you consider it specific to the Igbo? She surely looks AA.
Hero (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #38 on: November 21, 2006, 01:55 AM »

Quote from: Drusilla on November 21, 2006, 01:12 AM
Hero,

Do you see that Yoruba's look just like AA also, or do you consider it specific to the Igbo? She surely looks AA.

Yes, I've seen SOME Yoruba who've looked comparable to SOME AA's, yet not so to anywhere near the level in which Igbo and other related South-Eastern Naija groups do. Actually to tell you the truth, the only Yoruba I've met that resembled your everyday AA have all--- with the exception of one, been mixed with Igbo and another South-Eastern descent in which I can't recall the name of right now.

Drusilla, I don't know what history sources you've been reading, telling you that we AA are of stronger Yoruba descent than Igbo, cause my many, many, many sources on this situation tell a totally opposite story, and the proof in the accuracy of these sources in easily found in the indisputable compatibility in average facial, bodily and vocal, as well as temperament of the AA and Igbo with the addition of other SE Naija groups, all of which are of the same family tree to that of the Igbo. I'll repeat what I told you before; genetically speaking AA's are the holders of the worlds second largest Igbo population.  Well over half of the slaves brought to the US and the Colonies in which it was formed from---- were of SE Nigerian descent with the vast majority of them being IGBO.

 Prior to the Civil WAR a RECORDED whopping 65%-80% (record keeping of population wasn't that great back then) of the AA population in the Chesapeake/Delaware Vally area, (Virginia, Northern-North Carolina, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey and Southern Pennsylvania)--- was of majority IGBO descent.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #39 on: November 21, 2006, 02:07 AM »

Hero,

That is interesting. I mostly meet Yoruba, or otherwise I did not know they were Igbo.

I went to an webpage about this "Igbo" issue and even though the webpage was attempting to show Igbo people as AA anscestors. It had to refer to all the historical books of Yoruba in the America's.

I got my history from those books to. And you already know of Yoruba language spoken all through the America's.

So this is my thinking, obviously Yoruba is here.
Hero (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #40 on: November 21, 2006, 03:15 AM »

Quote from: Drusilla on November 21, 2006, 02:07 AM
Hero,

That is interesting. I mostly meet Yoruba, or otherwise I did not know they were Igbo.

I went to an webpage about this "Igbo" issue and even though the webpage was attempting to show Igbo people as AA anscestors. It had to refer to all the historical books of Yoruba in the America's.
I got my history from those books to. And you already know of Yoruba language spoken all through the America's.

So this is my thinking, obviously Yoruba is here.


Yoruba historical books.  Huh And just what books might these be, if you happen to know of their name off hand. Yoruba, were brought to the AMERICAS in large numbers, possibly even larger numbers than the Igbo, though they were not brought here to the US in that large a number--- as they were to places like Brazil, Cuba, Mexico, Haiti, and Argentina, hence the strong influential presence of their cultural entities throughout many Latin American nations and the Caribbean ones as well. But look around, and into our cultural history--- and you'll see NONE of that, and it's not because it was stripped of us, but rather because it was never present amongst us from getgo.

WesleyanA (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #41 on: November 21, 2006, 04:01 AM »

Quote from: Hero on November 21, 2006, 01:55 AM
Yes, I've seen SOME Yoruba who've looked comparable to SOME AA's, yet not so to anywhere near the level in which Igbo and other related South-Eastern Naija groups do. Actually to tell you the truth, the only Yoruba I've met that resembled your everyday AA have all--- with the exception of one, been mixed with Igbo and another South-Eastern descent in which I can't recall the name of right now.

Drusilla, I don't know what history sources you've been reading, telling you that we AA are of stronger Yoruba descent than Igbo, cause my many, many, many sources on this situation tell a totally opposite story, and the proof in the accuracy of these sources in easily found in the indisputable compatibility in average facial, bodily and vocal, as well as temperament of the AA and Igbo with the addition of other SE Naija groups, all of which are of the same family tree to that of the Igbo. I'll repeat what I told you before; genetically speaking AA's are the holders of the worlds second largest Igbo population.  Well over half of the slaves brought to the US and the Colonies in which it was formed from---- were of SE Nigerian descent with the vast majority of them being IGBO.

 Prior to the Civil WAR a RECORDED whopping 65%-80% (record keeping of population wasn't that great back then) of the AA population in the Chesapeake/Delaware Vally area, (Virginia, Northern-North Carolina, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey and Southern Pennsylvania)--- was of majority IGBO descent.
Quote from: Hero on November 21, 2006, 03:15 AM
Yoruba historical books.  Huh And just what books might these be, if you happen to know of their name off hand. Yoruba, were brought to the AMERICAS in large numbers, possibly even larger numbers than the Igbo, though they were not brought here to the US in that large a number--- as they were to places like Brazil, Cuba, Mexico, Haiti, and Argentina, hence the strong influential presence of their cultural entities throughout many Latin American nations and the Caribbean ones as well. But look around, and into our cultural history--- and you'll see NONE of that, and it's not because it was stripped of us, but rather because it was never present amongst us from getgo.




I reckon.
So that's why i get along so well with Haitians, i see  Grin
I'll like to visit Cuba, Brazil some day though.
I like this.



NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #42 on: November 22, 2006, 02:18 AM »

If you meet 10 african American's at least 7 must look Igbo, faces don't lye.
Hero (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #43 on: November 22, 2006, 02:43 AM »

Quote from: NINETOFIVE on November 22, 2006, 02:18 AM
If you meet 10 african American's at least 7 must look Igbo, faces don't lye.

Absolutely.
nilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #44 on: November 22, 2006, 03:26 AM »

so how do igbos look  Undecided
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #45 on: November 22, 2006, 03:41 AM »

Hero,

Here is a page talking about the African American/Igbo connection.

http://www.africanamerican-igbojewsnet.4t.com/custom2.html

They list works such as The Kingdom of the Yoruba and a workshop about the Yoruba religion.

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In Cuba the Olukwumu(Yoruban-Igbos)are referred to as the Lukumi or Olukumi.

So in some sense I am getting the definite idea that distintions are not as clear in the slave population.
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #46 on: November 22, 2006, 11:00 PM »

Quote from: Drusilla on November 22, 2006, 03:41 AM
Hero,


So in some sense I am getting the definite idea that distintions are not as clear in the slave population.

the slave population consisted of Africans and there are several different ethnic groups so there definitely aren't clear distinctions.

I don't get the part about african americans looking Igbo though.
i think it's stupid because although i sometimes can tell if a nigerian is igbo, hausa (some of them look yoruba), yoruba
but i don't think AA's look anyhow.
so i don't get the 7/10 AAs look Igbo thing (I thought it was a joke at first)

I get the part about some cubans and south americans speaking Yoruba though.


usually, when my mom's friends say someone looks AA it means they're chubby or something like that.
i never looked at it as "looking igbo" and i really don't see the connection.  Lips sealed

can someone who sees the connection post pictures of AAs and Igbos so we can see?
Hero (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #47 on: November 22, 2006, 11:33 PM »

@Drusilla. I'll scan through that piece to see what's crackin. Look out for a response, Sis.

@WesleyanA. You are not Igbo, so I'll expect you not to observe or acknowledge what is being stated. I'll post comparison pictures in a bit to show you what I'm talking about.

WesleyanA (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #48 on: November 22, 2006, 11:39 PM »

ok mr. i guess only igbos see the connection.   Cheesy
superman (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #49 on: November 23, 2006, 04:31 PM »

jealous?
Hero (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #50 on: November 23, 2006, 06:57 PM »

This one show a mixture of Igbo and AA's.


This shows another mixture of Igbo and AA talking.


Igbo(SE Nigerian)








African Americans


 




WesleyanA (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #51 on: November 23, 2006, 08:16 PM »

i still don't see how the AAs look igbo. (one of them looks like my hausa friend, and another looks like an hatian i know)
the lady in dreads w/ big eyes look jamaican.
they could be  mixture of native american, senegalese, nigerian, capeverdian, gambian, ghanaian e.t.c for all i care.  Undecided that's what they are anyways.

The Igbo pictures all look the same though except the first two. the others look like two people took pictures in different costumes. is that the standard igbo look?

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WesleyanA. You are not Igbo, so I'll expect you not to observe or acknowledge what is being stated.
'cause of your comment in some other "omotola" thread, i assume you're not igbo (indigenously) either.



i think it's just like saying white Americans look more british than french.
i can't tell. they all look white. lol
i'm only able to tell by their speech and acts.
nilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #52 on: November 23, 2006, 08:20 PM »

can't tell either  Undecided
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #53 on: November 23, 2006, 08:27 PM »

lol.
you shouldn't be able to tell. even DNA tests can't tell. so i don't how how Hero got this supernatural ability to tell us that 7 out of 10 AAs look/are igbo.


"In addition, the finding that fewer than 10% of African-American mtDNAs matched mtDNA sequences from a single African region suggests that few African Americans might be able to trace their mtDNA lineages to a particular region of Africa, and even fewer will be able to trace their mtDNA to a single ethnic group."
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7007/4/34/abstract



he also probably forgot that there are other west african countries apart from Nigeria.
     
PROJECTED EXPORTS OF THAT PORTION OF THE FRENCH AND ENGLISH SLAVE TRADE
HAVING IDENTIFIABLE REGION OF COAST ORIGIN IN AFRICA, 1711-1810.

Senegambia (Senegal-Gambia)     SENEGAMBIA: Wolof, Mandingo, Malinke, Bambara, Papel, Limba, Bola, Balante, Serer, Fula, Tucolor     5.8%
Sierra Leone                             SIERRA LEONE: Temne, Mende, Kisi, Goree, Kru.                                                                         3.4%
Windward Coast (Ivory Coast)*   WINDWARD COAST (incl. Liberia): Baoule, Vai, De, Gola (Gullah), Bassa, Grebo.                               12.1%
Gold Coast (Ghana)*                  GOLD COAST: Ewe, Ga, Fante, Ashante, Twi, Brong                                                                   14.4%
Bight of Benin (Nigeria)*             BIGHT OF BENIN & BIGHT OF BIAFRA Combined (sorry): Yoruba, Nupe, Benin, Dahomean (Fon),         14.5%
Bight of Biafra (Nigeria)*            Edo-Bini, Allada, Efik, Ibibio, Ijaw, Ibani,Igbo(Calabar)                                                                  25.1%    
Central and Southeast Africa      CENTRAL & SOUTHEAST AFRICA: BaKongo, MaLimbo, Ndungo, BaMbo, BaLimbe, BaDongo, Luba, Loanga, 
(Cameroon N. Angola)                Ovimbundu, Cabinda, Pembe, Imbangala, Mbundu,BaNdulunda                                                        24.7%
                                                                                         
http://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/sf/faq054.htm

Eurphoria (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #54 on: November 24, 2006, 01:26 AM »

some of these comparisons are sounding ridiculous now lol, AA, A, etc i have seen many Cameronian who look IGBO, some Gambian males that look African american, Do we not all have African blood? so of course there will be similarities. Some are making sound as if its some honour to look that way or this way. DR Dre looks like one Edo guy i know, go figure.

If there is dislike amongst african and African Americans, then its just a shame.
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #55 on: November 24, 2006, 03:03 AM »

Quote from: Eurphoria on November 24, 2006, 01:26 AM
some of these comparisons are sounding ridiculous now lol, AA, A, etc i have seen many Cameronian who look IGBO, some Gambian males that look African american, Do we not all have African blood? so of course there will be similarities. Some are making sound as if its some honour to look that way or this way. DR Dre looks like one Edo guy i know, go figure.

If there is dislike amongst african and African Americans, then its just a shame.

WORD!
lol
Hero (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #56 on: November 24, 2006, 04:41 AM »

Quote from: Eurphoria on November 24, 2006, 01:26 AM
some of these comparisons are sounding ridiculous now lol, AA, A, etc i have seen many Cameronian who look IGBO, some Gambian males that look African american, Do we not all have African blood? so of course there will be similarities. Some are making sound as if its some honour to look that way or this way. DR Dre looks like one Edo guy i know, go figure.

If there is dislike amongst african and African Americans, then its just a shame.

Euphoria, Igboland used to stretch into what is today Western Cameroon territory. One must not forget that the Atlantic slave trade took place PRIOR to the colonization of the African continent by the Europeans who took over and chopped up the land into tens of artificial border lines--- in the process dividing up whole priory set Kingdoms, Empires and general ethnically helled territories,  like Igboland, Oyo, Hausaland, Borno and more.

Along with these divisions came the divisions of the people whom lived within these established zones, and in the case of Igboland--- tens of thousands of Igbo were divided from the rest of their people when the Germans and Brits took their land and split it into two separate parts, most of which stayed in the British hands and became part of their newly foundered Colony of Nigeria, and the other part in which went to the Germans under their newly established colony of "Kamerun" in which later was renamed "Cameroon" by the French who during WW1 took the colony from the Germans. Still to this day, there are thousands of Igbo descendants from that period of time whom still preside in Cameroon, though the vast majority of that groups existence has by this time been diluted by the larger groups in the are who the Igbo over time integrated into, while others in due time left Cameroon and migrated across the border to join their larger stock of kin in Nigeria.

So yes, it should be a rather common thing to see Cameroonians who look like an Igbo person you many know--- in that many may just be mixed with Igbo and or are in fact ethnically Igbo. A very, very small amount of slaves were taken from the area in which is today Cameroon, outside of the area of the nation in which was once part of pre-colonial Igboland, and of those whom were taken from outside of that area, all of them were transported by the Portuguese who sold about 85% of ALL of their slaves to Brazilian buyers and or buyers within other South American colonies, and the vast majority of the rest went to Central American buyers.

Now, I'll also have you know that,  After Igbo and general SE Nigerian ethnic descent, African-Americans are secondly highest in Senegambian ethnic descent, and thirdly is Angolan. Together, the 3 cover well over 95% of the AA population's African genetic makeup, so yes--- you may see Cameroonians and Gambians who resemble many AA you may encounter.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #57 on: November 24, 2006, 06:37 AM »

Hero,

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Now, I'll also have you know that,  After Igbo and general SE Nigerian ethnic descent,

Alright. You admit that it is Igbo's and Yoruba's that make up  a majority of the AA population. (to include the African of the South America's and Carribean, etc)

This is where our debate is.

I see Yoruba's who look like AA all the time and according to what you have stated, that would be expected.

I tell you, it was not a week ago, that I had to stop a friend of mine from embarrassing themselves because they thought my Nigerian friend was a friend's sister we grew up with. My friend was a Nigerian Yoruba of course. Just with a very small undetectable accent, so that is why this African American thought it was another African American.

Because Yoruba's look like us also.

As they should.

I think your pictures are distorting. Because just as many photos could be shown whom these people do not look like.

Middle Brown is not the only color for African Americans.
Hero (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #58 on: November 25, 2006, 01:49 AM »

I think you've misunderstood my words Sis, cause I've said nothing about Yoruba. I said Igbos and other SE groups. The Yoruba are a SW group.  Kiss
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #59 on: November 25, 2006, 03:11 AM »

Hero,

Your right.

And yet some how there is still the point. Yoruba slaves sent here has widespread evidence. Igbo hmmm.
Sista (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #60 on: December 05, 2006, 06:09 AM »

@Hero, thanks for posting those pics, I have been trying to get someone to post pics of AA people and C/A because in AA people, I do see a variety of C/A looks. Those women are absolutely gorgeous! It would be nice to post these in the other topic. "Should AA's have their genes tested?" I will have to find the link.

I had forgotten about this topic because for some reason I wasn't receiving any more notifications on this topic.
Sista (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #61 on: December 05, 2006, 05:11 PM »


@WeslyanA
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you shouldn't be able to tell. even DNA tests can't tell. so i don't how how Hero got this supernatural ability to tell us that 7 out of 10 AAs look/are igbo.

You don't think that if most of the AA's would take the DNA test that the test would point back to something significant? like the Adam and Eve of descendants of African slaves?

@Hero
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Yoruba historical books.   And just what books might these be, if you happen to know of their name off hand. Yoruba, were brought to the AMERICAS in large numbers, possibly even larger numbers than the Igbo, though they were not brought here to the US in that large a number--- as they were to places like Brazil, Cuba, Mexico, Haiti, and Argentina, hence the strong influential presence of their cultural entities throughout many Latin American nations and the Caribbean ones as well. But look around, and into our cultural history--- and you'll see NONE of that, and it's not because it was stripped of us, but rather because it was never present amongst us from getgo.


I would have to agree with this because I have seen many Cuban musicians who look straight up and down Yoruba and that is what you would believe they are until the open their mouth. In fact, i had a discussion with this African Cuban and he told me that he was very aware that he came from Africa and that he was for sure he came from the Yoruba tribe. I think I would have to agree with him.


Hero, how do you explain the musical ability's of AA people and their athletic ability? Tell me something about Igbo and their musical and athletic ability's. I know the Yoruba have some pretty popular musicians and to be honest, a lot of the sounds I hear in their music is comparable to the sounds I hear in AA music. However, I have never heard of them amongst the Igbo.


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So yes, it should be a rather common thing to see Cameroonians who look like an Igbo person you many know--- in that many may just be mixed with Igbo and or are in fact ethnically Igbo.

This is true from what i can tell. I can't tell you how many Cameroonians that I have seen who do favor Igbo people, In fact, I'm going to try and get pictures of them and post them.
Hero (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #62 on: December 06, 2006, 02:50 AM »

Sista, I assure you that all of my answers are absolutely truthful. I'm fairly well studied on these topics.

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SISTA
Hero, how do you explain the musical ability's of AA people and their athletic ability? Tell me something about Igbo and their musical and athletic ability's. I know the Yoruba have some pretty popular musicians and to be honest, a lot of the sounds I hear in their music is comparable to the sounds I hear in AA music. However, I have never heard of them amongst the Igbo.

Sista, let me tell you, there aint all that much of a difference between the Igbo and Yoruba traditional musical styles, and in fact--- the untrained or familiarized ear--- would have a super hard time distinguishing most of the west African traditional ethnic musical styles from each other if they were to hear them, so the fact is that upon coming to the Americas a bit of musical influence from nearly every tribe that was brought over went into the creation of the proceeding musics formulated by their descendents. So remember while some groups like the Yoruba may have been a bit more significant than others in some descendant groups musics, their musical style was not wholly responsible for these musics. In fact the Angolan tribes in which were taken to South America and Central America/Caribbean in massive, massive numbers are credited with having a much greater influence on these regions musics than the Yoruba.

Now back to the us AA's. Our musical creations are a much more complex creation than our cousins to the south. While there musics follow a much more solid and very noticible line of connection their African roots, our musics do not.  JAZZ, ROCK-N-ROLL, HIP-HOP, R&B, and that's just a few; they were all created of a very intricate complex mixture of what very little African musical ties we were ALLOWED to hold on to, the traditional European musics in which we were forced to substitute for our African music, and a whole lot of crafty homegrown self established musical flow in which we garnered up from out of our souls and experiences here in the US. We ingeniously managed to take all of this and tie it together to create some of the world's most liked and profitable musics to ever exist.

Now, with that said, let me say this; it's an absolute fact that AA's are genetically of majority SE Nigerian (vastly mostly Igbo), Angolan ethnic, and Senegambian ethnic descent by like 90%-95% between the 3, and since we--- unlike our south of the border neighbors, were NOT allowed to our African musics in full form, it's only safe to assume that what little bit of African rhythm that has been harnessed into our musics is not in anyway traceable to any one group, although it's only sensible to sagest that it's certainly majoritively descendant of SE Nigerian (most Igbo), Angolan ethnic and Senegambian Ethnic forms, much as our genetic make up is. 




4 Play (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #63 on: December 06, 2006, 02:54 AM »

@Hello
Are u crazy?Reasoning with Sista is like trying to reason with a tree .In fact a tree is more reasonable.

Don't waste your time.
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