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Donzman (m)
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Yeah, just like Drusilla said. When ever you've been put in your looser place, you bitch out and resort to stupid childish antics. Get a life, a manhood, and if you can manage, a proper education.
, and Donzman is the bitch? 
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Drusilla (f)
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Uche2nna,
Absolute poverty is a way of saying that some one is poor, PERIOD.
There are terms like "relative poverty".
For instance 21 to 26 percent of African Americans are considered poor.
But it is relative poverty. We know that poor African Americans generally have TVS radios, microwaves, mp3 players, computers, high fashion clothes, cars galore, etc, etc.
Even though relative to "black and white middle or upper class Americans" they are considered the poorest because they require government assistance in the form of welfare or food stamps.
In reality, all Americans even African Americans live in the top ten percent of the richest folks on earth.
But compared to white Americans, 21 to 26 percent of Black Americans live in relative poverty.
Those are what the terms absolute or relative poverty tend to mean.
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Donzman (m)
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You lack family values though, end of story. 
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Hero (m)
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Uche2nna,
Absolute poverty is a way of saying that some one is poor, PERIOD.
There are terms like "relative poverty".
For instance 21 to 26 percent of African Americans are considered poor.
But it is relative poverty. We know that poor African Americans generally have TVS radios, microwaves, mp3 players, computers, high fashion clothes, cars galore, etc, etc.
Even though relative to "black and white middle or upper class Americans" they are considered the poorest because they require government assistance in the form of welfare or food stamps.
In reality, all Americans even African Americans live in the top ten percent of the richest folks on earth.
But compared to white Americans, 21 to 26 percent of Black Americans live in relative poverty.
Those are what the terms absolute or relative poverty tend to mean.
Correct.
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
Alright. We'll give tax breaks to married folks. Make starting a buiness as a married woman or man, absolutely free. No paperwork or licenses required, just get to selling and building and buying.
Nigerians will love that. Happy now? Respect for your wonderful family values has been maintained.
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Donzman (m)
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Donzman,
Alright. We'll give tax breaks to married folks. Make starting a buiness as a married woman or man, absolutely free. No paperwork or licenses required, just get to selling and building and buying.
Nigerians will love that. Happy now? Respect for your wonderful family values has been maintained.
 See the difference between Donzman and Drusliar is this. Even though the names start with D, Donzman is not here to impose his beliefs or world view on others. I don't care if you begin to adopt a husband/wife family approach or not, I'm not here to point out what AA's should and shouldn't do. I'm just saying, this is the difference between traditional Africans and Black Americans. Black Americans adopt the western idea of marriage and if it's good for them, then so be it. Africans on the other hand, do not adopt that idea and that is one of the reasons why traditional Africans do not think it's an excellent idea to marry a foreigner(like Drusilliar who is looking to impose her ideas on others) and bring him/her home. Be it black or white, the nuisance is alike. 
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
Are trying to ask me to marry you? And your scared to take me back to Africa?
Are you seriously trying to push this as your point?
No marriage between me and Donzman?
LOL SMILE
oh.
LOL SMILE
That was a good one. LOL SMILE
Donzman 2 points! LOL SMILE
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Drusilla (f)
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Some things is just so dang stupid they deserve 2 points for originality.
LOL SMILE
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Donzman (m)
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You're delusional girl, I don't know what you're talking about.
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
LOL SMILE
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Hero (m)
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 See the difference between Donzman and Drusliar is this. Even though the names start with D, Donzman is not here to impose his beliefs or world view on others. I don't care if you begin to adopt a husband/wife family approach or not, I'm not here to point out what AA's should and shouldn't do. I'm just saying, this is the difference between traditional Africans and Black Americans. Black Americans adopt the western idea of marriage and if it's good for them, then so be it. Africans on the other hand, do not adopt that idea and that is one of the reasons why traditional Africans do not think it's an excellent idea to marry a foreigner(like Drusilliar who is looking to impose her ideas on others) and bring him/her home. Be it black or white, the nuisance is alike.  Humm, then why is the the rate at which Africans in the west marry non-Africans steadily rising, especially amongst African females; just as the rate at which African marriages are ending is also steadily rising here in the west?
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Donzman (m)
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Those are westernized Africans and they are exceptions rather than the norm. Are baby mamas the exception in AA communities?,,, You tell moi!
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
Aren't baby mama's pretty standard in Africa? Average 8 babies per mama.
Being a babies mama and being a wife are not mutually exclusive. Wife indicates man you married. Being a babies mama indicates the life you brought into this world.
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Donzman (m)
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Oh sorry, let me make it clearer, isn't having babies out of marriage with random fathers the norm?
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Hero (m)
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Those are westernized Africans and they are exceptions rather than the norm. Are baby mamas the exception in AA communities?,,, You tell moi!
Humm, then all of those kids I saw wondering around the streets all over every nation I went to in Africa, all day, every day weren't born of women? If so, wouldn't their mothers be a bunch of baby mommas?
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Drusilla (f)
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Oh sorry, let me make it clearer, isn't having babies out of marriage with random fathers the norm? Donzman, Are you saying that is the reason for our success in the area of economics?
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Donzman (m)
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Humm, then all of those kids I saw wondering around the streets all over every nation I went to in Africa, all day, every day weren't born of women? If so, wouldn't their mothers be a bunch of baby mommas?
Where I come from, kids are allowed to go out and interact with others in an open community. While I was growing up, I could hang out with my fellow kids on the street playing games, playing soccer on concrete, a foreigner like you will come by and wonder, don't these kids have parents?, The truth is that the parents do not have to stand like Grand Marshalls overlooking their kids all the time. Donzman,
Are you saying that is the reason for our success in the area of economics? It is part of the reason why you are on the bottom of the economic chain in America. Sorry, that's the way I see it. There are many advantages to having a husband/wife family, I cannot begin to enumerate at the moment. See, whatever it is you believe in, you can do it. Donzman isn't mad at you, I don't know why you're getting upset over me pointing out the difference between Africans and Black Americans. You didn't know these differences existed or what?
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
So according to your logic, could you please explain this equation to me.
African Americans + no family values = poorest in America.
Continental Africans + wonderful family values = poorest continent in the World.
If our marriage rates have left us the poorest in America. Then why haven't your wonderful family values made you super rich?
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Hero (m)
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Where I come from, kids are allowed to go out and interact with others in an open community. While I was growing up, I could hang out with my fellow kids on the street playing games, playing soccer on concrete, a foreigner like you will come by and wonder, don't these kids have parents?, The truth is that the parents do not have to stand like Grand Marshalls overlooking their kids all the time.
So did you also go around looking dirty, begging folks for stuff, looking as if you were looking for trouble, and or sitting around on your butt doing absolutely nothing, ALL before, during and after school hours, like many of the kids I saw were doing? Did your parents allow that as well?
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Donzman (m)
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@Hero I probably went around looking dirty on a regular day but cleaned up to go out to special occassions. I play with my friends in dirt, come home to get yelled out, my mom will throw me in the bath and wash me up. Yeah, we did sit around sometimes just observing our sorroundings, no harm in that.Such is life and I don't see how that affects family life. I don't know about begging for money, I never did that and neither did anyone I know and no, we weren't rich. Donzman,
So according to your logic, could you please explain this equation to me.
African Americans + no family values = poorest in America.
Continental Africans + wonderful family values = poorest continent in the World.
If our marriage rates have left us the poorest in America. Then why haven't your wonderful family values made you super rich? I was going to insult you but I just realized I shouldn't. Did Donzman ever say, good family values equals financial wealth?, Notice I used financial wealth because only God knows who is a wealthy man and who isn't. There are many reasons why Africans are poor and our traditional family values aren't one of them. There are many reasons why Blackk Americans are poor and their family values or lack of one, is definitely one of them. Seminar after seminar I go to, research paper after research paper I read, it's the same result. The out of wedlock thing isn't helping anyone except the black American man who can get away without taking care of their kids. Hopefully, you get the logic now, thank you!  Yeah it would have been KO if her interpretation of my logic was correct but as it turns out, she's the same old Druslliar who can't reason properly. As it is, we're back in the ring or more accurately, I'm back in the ring waiting for a worthy opponent. 
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
You once again tie African American economics to the lie your promoting that we do not have family values.
Then at the same time you can NOT show that Continental African family values has any economic value for Continental Africans.
Your saying: It doesn't work for us Continental Africans but it would economically save the 21 to 26 percent African Americans who are poor.
Your a joke.
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Donzman (m)
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Donzman,
You once again tie African American economics to the lie your promoting that we do not have family values.
Then at the same time you can NOT show that Continental African family values has any economic value for Continental Africans.
Your saying: It doesn't work for us Continental Africans but it would economically save the 21 to 26 percent African Americans who are poor.
Your a joke.
Now I can comfortably say you'e an idiot without flinch. The African family model is what has brought success to different areas of the globe so it's definitely not the cause of our problems. Asians, traditional Europeans all adopt the model and they're successful. The black American idea of family on the other hand, has been shown to be ineffective on every level. Should I begin to point out how dual income families fare compared to single baby mama families?, Please, don't be an idiot, reason with Donzman here.
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Drusilla (f)
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The African family model is what has brought success to different areas of the globe so it's definitely not the cause of our problems. Asians, traditional Europeans all adopt the model and they're successful.
Donzman,
Are you smoking Meth?
You would have to be smoking Meth, to believe that the European Missionaries who came to Africa and began forcing Africans to have European marriages in their church's were actually adopting the African family model.
Get some treatment.
The black American idea of family on the other hand, has been shown to be ineffective on every level. Should I begin to point out how dual income families fare compared to single baby mama families?, Please, don't be an idiot, reason with Donzman here.
Donzman,
Wait a second. Now you trying to tell me in addition to not getting married, baby mama's do not have boyfriends and baby daddies who kick in financially?
Were down to single baby mama's, who get no money from their baby's dad, or their current boyfriends?
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Hero (m)
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The African family model is what has brought success to different areas of the globe so it's definitely not the cause of our problems. Asians, traditional Europeans all adopt the model and they're successful.
Donzman,
Are you smoking Meth?
You would have to be smoking Meth, to believe that the European Missionaries who came to Africa and began forcing Africans to have European marriages in their church's were actually adopting the African family model.
Get some treatment.
The black American idea of family on the other hand, has been shown to be ineffective on every level. Should I begin to point out how dual income families fare compared to single baby mama families?, Please, don't be an idiot, reason with Donzman here.
Donzman,
Wait a second. Now you trying to tell me in addition to not getting married, baby mama's do not have boyfriends and baby daddies who kick in financially?
Were down to single baby mama's, who get no money from their baby's dad, or their current boyfriends?
The boy's got problems. He's obviously as senseless as that dead horse he's been beating the living daylights out of for the past several hours, now.
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Donzman (m)
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Donzman,
Are you smoking Meth?
You would have to be smoking Meth, to believe that the European Missionaries who came to Africa and began forcing Africans to have European marriages in their church's were actually adopting the African family model.
Get some treatment. Are you an idiot?, The Europeans didn't change the African family model. Up until today, most Africans recognize the traditional marriage rites and the church wedding as a mere formality. Again, you know nothing about Africa and should quit commenting on it because all it does it make you look dumb. The family model is the same, a husbad and a wife ( or more than one wife as the case may be) coming together to raise children and being committed for LIFE. Again, I don't see what you're getting at, you bring up superfluous points sometimes to divert attention from what is being argued. I don't know why you do that but I always take the time to set your sorry ass straight, Drusilliar. Most Nigerians (Igbos atleast) are already husband and wife as long as the traditional marriage is done. The church thing is just a formality because even in the bible, Jewish traditional marriage was recognized by Jesus Christ. We still have our family traditions and Europeans did not change it because it is much like theirs. Again, ask and it shall be explained to you, if you proceed to make ignorant comments, Donzman has no other choice but to call you an idiot. Wait a second. Now you trying to tell me in addition to not getting married, baby mama's do not have boyfriends and baby daddies who kick in financially?
Were down to single baby mama's, who get no money from their baby's dad, or their current boyfriends? You can't compare boyfriends who come and go like summer and winter to husbands who are in it for life. End of story!
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
Your the idiot who claimed that Europeans and Asians were adopting the African family model --specifically marriage.
Now your telling me how it is Africans who keep their traditional African marriage and have adopted the European model of getting it done formally in a church.
Huh?
America has a divorce first marriage rate of 62 percent. The second marriage rate of divorce is even higher. Americans now talk about "starter marriages".
Maybe you should try to understand America and how husbands come and go also.
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Donzman (m)
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Chineke, give this woman a brain so I can stop repeating myself, Typical ubulu eke!  Here is what I said: The African family model is what has brought success to different areas of the globe so it's definitely not the cause of our problems. Asians, traditional Europeans all adopt the model and they're successful.
Note: I made no reference as to where the model originated from just said that it is adopted in other parts of the globe
Here is how Drusilliar interpreted it: Your the idiot who claimed that Europeans and Asians were adopting the African family model --specifically marriage. Let the people be the judge, Ikpe adighi ama nwa Nze mgbe nna ya no n'ogbo okwu.  Now your telling me how it is Africans who keep their traditional African marriage and have adopted the European model of getting it done formally in a church. Correct, we practice both. Getting married in a church does not imply you won't get divorced after 2 years. It's a mere formality. Africans see nothing in formalities, we see the reason behind the man and the woman coming together, they're in it for life, till death do us part literally. America has a divorce first marriage rate of 62 percent. The second marriage rate of divorce is even higher. Americans now talk about "starter marriages".
Maybe you should try to understand America and how husbands come and go also. As long as I can remember, I've said time and time again that the deteriorating family values is common not only to Black Americans but to much of the Western world. Again, try reading before replying, you're no different from the white man out there. Unluckily for you, this African man isn't a pushover. 
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Hero (m)
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Marriage is simply for sentimental purposes, it has absolutely little to do with the actual foundation of a family. As long as both spouses are together playing their rolls properly, and they are both content with that situation, then that's all that really matters. Who is really the position to say they aren't proper for not signing some piece of paper and or jumping over the broom, or whatever else folks do?
Marriage doesn't get the bills paid, food on the table, kids looking right and living right, sexual desires satisfied while in a relationship; the grind and union of mutual cooperation between the parties involved dose, and this can be done whether they be married or not. Lot's of AA, white Americans and others--- have simply come to the conclusion of; we've been together 5, 6, 7 years--- with kids or without, and living as if we were married, why the hell should we--- after all this time go off and spend a crap load of money just to get it in writing? The number one reason that I've heard many long time couples give for why they decided to get married--- is simply for INSURANCE and TAX SAVING reasons, and or their friends did it, so they did. NO JOKE!
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman, Sigh. Let's start from the top: Donzman says: The African family model is what has brought success to different areas of the globe so it's definitely not the cause of our problems. Asians, traditional Europeans all adopt the model and they're successful. Drusilla responds: Your the idiot who claimed that Europeans and Asians were adopting the African family model --specifically marriage. Donzman begs for mercy: Let the people be the judge, Ikpe adighi ama nwa Nze mgbe nna ya no n'ogbo okwu. The only thing to judge is this: 1. Did Donzman put forth incoherent sentiments, which he later denies purposely? 2. Or is just Donzman that inarticulate, it was just a natural gaffe for him?
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Donzman (m)
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You still don't get it, do you?, The African model of family is the same as what people all over the world use and it was definitely what Europeans were using when they got wealthy - financially. Again, I see it's because you see me saying "African Model", your ugly presumptous mind already assumes I meant it originated from Africa. No, I don't know where it originated from, I do know that it is traditional in Africa and other parts of the world. Just like your baby mama culture is traditional to you and like you said, it is working out for you. Bravo, you don't have to bug me now, do you?, Yours is good for you, now you will let me be!  , Or will you? 
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Donzman (m)
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My point is simple, African family values differ greatly from that of Akata's. It's just that simple woman, you're no different from the white man you ridicule so much, all you're doing is trying to show me why I should adopt your babymama culture and abandon man. Again, this African man doesn't move when the wind blows, he's more like a mountain, he diverts the direction of the storm.  Again, if you insist your "babymama" culture is good for you, so be it. You don't have to convince me, I'm not God and neither am I Government.
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