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ebeledi (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #736 on: June 15, 2007, 12:55 AM »

Quote from: Drusilla on June 13, 2007, 04:02 AM
Ebeledi,

Without the words to describe it, the people were simply saying, you were a Continental African and they were an African American.

There are Africans of the soil and Africans of the blood.

African Americans are Africans of the blood. This is the part of being African that every African takes with them, even if when they leave Africa butt naked.

Africans are African at their core. This core is expressed in many wonderful and various ways. Still carrying the core through each different expression. These different expressions are called cultures/Ethnicity's.

The core remains even when the different expressions change.

I describe the African Core as a Spider web. A very old spider web from an very old people. It was torn by the last 600 years of "things falling apart". Africans rebuild this core as we speak. Nothing is taken away, everything is just added, bad or good, to this spider web. (Africanized) The spider web is considered as important as the individual spiders who work and live on this web diligently. Both/And psychology.

I have described the European Core as a Pizza. The same but cut in pieces, where none of the pieces touch. It's various pieces and various ingredients are considered more important than the whole. Either/Or psychology.

I am an African American. You are a Continental African. I do not dictate that we pretend that AA culture matches Continental African culture. Continental African cultures don't even match each other.

Yet I do insist that all Africans share the core. The core must be shared. It wants to be shared. It does not allow the African (Continental or American) to be selfish about it.

All African spiders are trying to deal with the tearing of the African web in our different ways.

This is just spiders arguing. When we have AA versus CA.

We should give more attention to the core. Right now because of the situtation of 33,000 mostly black and brown people dying every day from preventable starvation and more from preventable disease, preventable famines, repairing the web seems more important, than arguing about who is who?

Let's help each other. Nigerians are very, very smart people, you have a lot to contribute. African Americans because God has a sense of humor, shall have a lot to contribute because of their belief that even the lowliest slave, deserves better than what all Africans have recieved for the last 600 years.

We should always be agitating one another to be like the other. African Americans should get smarter. Continental Africans should learn that even the lowiest slave deserves more than what Africans recieve right now. We need each other and what each other has to contribute.

IMHO

well said, i agree with you 100 percent    Wink
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #737 on: June 15, 2007, 01:05 AM »


To Drusilla,


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Without the words to describe it, the people were simply saying, you were a Continental African and they were an African American.

There are Africans of the soil and Africans of the blood.

African Americans are Africans of the blood. This is the part of being African that every African takes with them, even if when they leave Africa butt naked.

Africans are African at their core. This core is expressed in many wonderful and various ways. Still carrying the core through each different expression. These different expressions are called cultures/Ethnicity's.

The core remains even when the different expressions change.

I describe the African Core as a Spider web. A very old spider web from an very old people. It was torn by the last 600 years of "things falling apart". Africans rebuild this core as we speak. Nothing is taken away, everything is just added, bad or good, to this spider web. (Africanized) The spider web is considered as important as the individual spiders who work and live on this web diligently. Both/And psychology.

I have described the European Core as a Pizza. The same but cut in pieces, where none of the pieces touch. It's various pieces and various ingredients are considered more important than the whole. Either/Or psychology.

I am an African American. You are a Continental African. I do not dictate that we pretend that AA culture matches Continental African culture. Continental African cultures don't even match each other.

Yet I do insist that all Africans share the core. The core must be shared. It wants to be shared. It does not allow the African (Continental or American) to be selfish about it.

All African spiders are trying to deal with the tearing of the African web in our different ways.

This is just spiders arguing. When we have AA versus CA.

We should give more attention to the core. Right now because of the situtation of 33,000 mostly black and brown people dying every day from preventable starvation and more from preventable disease, preventable famines, repairing the web seems more important, than arguing about who is who?

Let's help each other. Nigerians are very, very smart people, you have a lot to contribute.  African Americans because God has a sense of humor, shall have a lot to contribute because of their belief that even the lowliest slave, deserves better than what all Africans have recieved for the last 600 years.

We should always be agitating one another to be like the other. African Americans should get smarter. Continental Africans should learn that even the lowiest slave deserves more than what Africans recieve right now. We need each other and what each other has to contribute.

IMHO




Damn!, you are good, kudos.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #738 on: June 15, 2007, 01:10 AM »

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Quote from: Drusilla on June 13, 2007, 11:29 AM
Justlie,

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That is what Sista just said. She is African because it is something inside of her. How you are agreeing with her argument but at the same time think you are disputing her argument would be confusing if one did not know you.


DRUGilla, you are a European seeking identification with Africa in any way, shape or form so I understand why you will always try to diffuse anything African so that it is not original again and you can steal in.


Are you gay?, sort of, I need to see more of a man.
thecavsman
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #739 on: June 15, 2007, 01:12 AM »

I disagree, you are VERY mislead

There are no Africans of only the blood. The separation was mere generations ago. Look at black american speech, dance, family structure, etc. It is ALL distinctly African. I don't say these things to sound cool. I just tell it how it is.

I don't feel like going into detail about why AA culture is sooooo very African, you can look up the similarities between AAVE (African American vernacular English) and West African languages on your own time. I was amazed when I looked it up. All my life, I was speaking a black english that has an African sentence structure, the lack of the verb copula is there, too, even individual words we use are african. Look at the pitch in black american speech and west african speech.

I won't even get into dances. I won't get into how we call non-blood relatives auntie and uncle, etc.

I will let you research all that.

But just tell me this, of all the things in black american culture, if it isn't african, what is it? There are almost NO similarities w black american culture and euro culture, except mcdonalds (lol) and even Africans that I know eat fast food in America.

Culture doesn't just rise out of no where, and black culture and speech didn't just rise from European traditions. The cultures are SO different. Africa has a HUGE influence.

It is ironic how I speak a more Africanized english than a lot of the first generation Nigerians that I see at my school. Explain that if you don't agree with what I have already said. How can I speak a more Africanized tongue than somewhat whose parents are from Nigeria if I am only an African of the blood?

Again, I am not trying to be cool. If my heritage were from Asia I would tell you that, too, I'm not trying to be cool and from "the motherland". But answer the question that I just posed.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #740 on: June 15, 2007, 01:20 AM »

Quote from: thecavsman on June 15, 2007, 01:12 AM
I disagree, you are VERY mislead

There are no Africans of only the blood. The separation was mere generations ago. Look at black american speech, dance, family structure, etc. It is ALL distinctly African. I don't say these things to sound cool. I just tell it how it is.

I don't feel like going into detail about why AA culture is sooooo very African, you can look up the similarities between AAVE (African American vernacular English) and West African languages on your own time. I was amazed when I looked it up. All my life, I was speaking a black english that has an African sentence structure, the lack of the verb copula is there, too, even individual words we use are african. Look at the pitch in black american speech and west african speech.

I won't even get into dances. I won't get into how we call non-blood relatives auntie and uncle, etc.

I will let you research all that.

thecavsman,

LOL SMILE. Nope. You got me all mixed up. I know about all the similarities that run through the various cultures of any African people, whereever you find them.

Your words are just cute to me.

Reach One, Teach One.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #741 on: June 15, 2007, 01:21 AM »

For axample;


Where you at

Igbo= Ebee kino
Yoruba=Ibo lo wa,

If you translate this two languages word to word, you come up with ''where you at''
ebeledi (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #742 on: June 15, 2007, 01:22 AM »

na true
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #743 on: June 15, 2007, 01:25 AM »

Quote from: ebeledi on June 15, 2007, 01:22 AM
na true


Abi oh!
ebeledi (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #744 on: June 15, 2007, 01:42 AM »

yes o
Sista (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #745 on: June 15, 2007, 03:24 AM »

@thecavsman


Sweetheart, everything you said was right on and one has to be open, willing and conscious enough to see what you see.Oh one thing, you forgot to mention the food. AA still eat and cook the same foods they cooked when they were in Africa. Also, AA still braid their hair and each year they are getting even more and more creative with the braiding styles that they create. Absolutely amazing, don't you think?  Wink



@Justgood



Real, real, cute of you.


 I can tell that you are just budding in your tribal ways. It's okay, some day you will be forced, weather you like it or not to see that tribalism with your own people is not at all worth it. Wink

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I have never disputed the fact that Black people have their skin colour in common; indeed it cannot be disputed. However, no one has ever been able to prove to me that they are African despite simply because of skin colour. It's ridiculous to assume that skin colour is what makes anyone an African.

Aborigines have skin color in common with Africans as well, so what is your point?


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Someone who does not understand what makes me a Nigerian cannot ever be a Nigerian.

That rules out the other West Africans as well as central Africans, South Africans, East Africans and of course North Africans.  Undecided Don't get mad  Grin

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It's not something that you can easily theorize as some of the pan panafricanist expect. It's more of something inside of you; a consciousness within you of who you are. It's like when a born again christian tells you he/she is born again but cannot and indeed, does not need to PROVE to you why or how.


Exactly! This is why I don't need to prove to you that I am African. Who might you be that I would have to prove anything to you?  Cheesy You are certainly not God and you are certainly the God of Africa.  Undecided



Of course, just like a Ghanaian would not be able to theorize what it is to be a Nigerian. What you don't understand is, my experience with my connection to Africa is different from yours but that doesn't mean that I am less African or not African at all. Geez, the ancestors would be highly upset with you right now if they were still alive. Shocked

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This is stupidity coming from someone who is supposedly rational. You think that if you wave the poverty line in our faces, we will crumble and bow to your wishes? Exactly the same tactic the Europeans use now to continue their exploitation of our land and human resources.

Don't be mad at me, I just pulled out of you what you truly feel. If I said what I said or not, you would have still felt the way you expressed to feel in the above. Like I said, you are no different from the African who gets mad when Africans make fun of Africa but then why they respect Africa and acknowledge that they are African, you are the same African who will try and take that from them because you think that all African Americans are the same. Shame shame, shame on you.

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Are you trying to prove that if we just accept everyone as being Africa, Africa will cease to be poor? In that case, we should start saying that every white man is African.


You need a few more years because your comprehension level is working from a budding tribalistic ego.


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Isn't it obvious who the confused one is? I am Nigerian through and through; that makes me an African. What exactly are you?


I am Black, Negroid, Negro, Colored, African American, Pan Africanist, Akata, what ever your heart desires dear.  Grin


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What about those who also have European blood in them and refuse to claim that because they know that white people wont accept them?


You need help   Huh


@Drusilla


Read your post, thanks for the input. Real talk as usal.


@925


Did you read the lovely topic I started that said wonderful things about you  Kiss
JustGood (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #746 on: June 15, 2007, 09:50 AM »

Quote from: Sista on June 15, 2007, 03:24 AM


@Justgood


Real, real, cute of you.
 


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I can tell that you are just budding in your Absolutely ways. It's okay, some day you will be forced, weather you like it or not to see that tribalism with your own people is not at all worth it. Wink

My people??? I know them and ,  you sound deluded

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Aborigines have skin color in common with Africans as well, so what is your point?

So they must also be Africans because they also have Africa-like ways of life. Get a grip

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That rules out the other West Africans as well as central Africans, South Africans, East Africans and of course North Africans. Undecided Don't get mad Grin


Do you read to understand or you're just too blinded by your desire to be seen as African that you miss out whole points?

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Exactly! This is why I don't need to prove to you that I am African. Who might you be that I would have to prove anything to you? Cheesy You are certainly not God and you are certainly the God of Africa. Undecided

If you don't even realise how much you and your other black american sister are striving to be seen as Africans, there's nothing more to say. I'm sure most others here can see how much you're both striving for this

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Of course, just like a Ghanaian would not be able to theorize what it is to be a Nigerian. What you don't understand is, my experience with my connection to Africa is different from yours but that doesn't mean that I am less African or not African at all. Geez, the ancestors would be highly upset with you right now if they were still alive. Shocked

Your connection to Africa is your attempt to be accepted as an African. You need to enlist the help of more European historians to help you in your task.

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You need a few more years because your comprehension level is working from a budding tribalistic ego.

Tribalism??? you'll never know what it means. Your tribe is in America so you can't talk of tribalism here. You're a Black American. Ok, maybe you have experienced tribalism from your own people in America. I cannot be tribalistic towards an American as I am not one.

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I am Black, Negroid, Negro, Colored, African American, Pan Africanist, Akata, what ever your heart desires dear. Grin

Call yourself what you like; you're still a Black American. Anyone can call themselves what they like but it doesn't remove what they really are.

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You need help Huh

It's clear who needs help here. You may fit in better here: http://www.blackrefer.com/bulletin_board.html
Sista (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #747 on: June 15, 2007, 04:12 PM »

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So they must also be Africans because they also have Africa-like ways of life. Get a grip



Do you read to understand or you're just too blinded by your desire to be seen as African that you miss out whole points?


If you don't even realise how much you and your other black american sister are striving to be seen as Africans, there's nothing more to say. I'm sure most others here can see how much you're both striving for this



Your connection to Africa is your attempt to be accepted as an African. You need to enlist the help of more European historians to help you in your task.


Tribalism??? you'll never know what it means. Your tribe is in America so you can't talk of tribalism here. You're a Black American. Ok, maybe you have experienced tribalism from your own people in America. I cannot be tribalistic towards an American as I am not one.


Call yourself what you like; you're still a Black American. Anyone can call themselves what they like but it doesn't remove what they really are.

You need help

It's clear who needs help here. You may fit in better here:


Blah, Blah, Blah, what a pitty.

This African won't be wasting anymore time with this unconscious child, justgood fool  Tongue

No Tribal child like, African or white man can tell me who I am. Tongue

The only thing that matters is what my parents taught me and what their parents taught and so forth through generations.


thecavsman
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #748 on: June 15, 2007, 04:25 PM »

Sista don't listen to them, I wrote that I am about to paste in another discussion, but I think it deserves to be here:

"I don't get these Africans that use the fact that we don't know our actual country in Africa to taunt us in a way.

They don't see how it doesn't hurt the African identity. My culture is supposedly too European, being an AA. But I speak in a more Africanized manner than a lot of first generation Nigerians that I know. What about that? Why do I sound more Africanized than first generation people? I am just trying to say that I would never take a DNA test to find out what tribe I am from. I am probably from 15 different tribes, that was generations ago.

The whole idea of the DNA test to see where in Africa you are from is silly to me. Culture is in the heart. It is in our speech, dance, way of thinking, and our love for the black race around the world. Africa in no longer one continent, Africans were stolen, so some of Africa was stolen. Africans do not like to hear this, but I don't know how a Nigerian physicist living in America just trying to make a lot of money embodies the African spirit more than a Malcolm X. It's illogical.

I don't try to draw my roots to Africa to be cool. I don't want to be cool. I just want to tell the truth. If my roots were Asian, I'd be telling you how my culture has its Asian influence, too.

I do lack the tribalism, and I am actually glad about this, since it seems the ability to be tribalist is a big reason Africans dismiss us as Americans that don't have a history. The family tree that I have at my house goes all the way back to slavery, farther than most Africans that I know can trace. Sure, it doesn't take me back to my ancestral homeland, but it is still history of my people. I don't know how people can criticize us, calling us more American than African but then when I say that I can trace my roots back over 150 years in America they say it doesn't count because I am really African. See the confusion there? I can't win."




Sista, we are going to have to deal with people who think they are trying to be cool by being "African". The only reason we see ourselves this way is because our culture is FLAGRANTLY African. We see this. If we didn't, we wouldn't feel solidarity with Africans. A physical connection is not enough. Africans are all over the world. I don't call myself an "African" because it is misleading, but we are all of African cultures. The sad part is, some of these people in here that speak so ridiculously, they think Africa has a cool image. No one invests in Africa. African continues to be robbed by some and ignored by others, unless, of course, they want to rob. And what do the people do? They push away anyone that doesn't want Africa to end up at the bottom as if we are still in the old days before whites came and took over most of the world. It is time to react to a changing world and establish solidarity on common goals. Africa is not considered cool, even a vast majority of AAs were ashamed years ago. We are not trying to be cool or fit in somewhere. It is just something is us that drives us to want to connect with people with similar cultures and interests in the rest of the world. I am an activist, I believe in truth and doing what is right. I want to get RID of self hatred!

But what happens? I am told that I will never understand Africa or anything about it and that I am a lost soul without a foundation, as if there are no lost Africans. I see them all the time.

But, some people, and I stress that it's not all Africans, can not see the bigger picture. At the end of the day, I am just a wannabe to them.
Sista (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #749 on: June 16, 2007, 05:28 AM »

@Thecavsman


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Sista don't listen to them, I wrote that I am about to paste in another discussion, but I think it deserves to be here:

Trust me, none of what some of them are saying is bothering me like that. I am just having a little fun.  Grin

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"I don't get these Africans that use the fact that we don't know our actual country in Africa to taunt us in a way.

I look at it like this, Africans on the continent wish they could have the so called benefits that they think we African Americans take for granted. They feel like, "Who do those AA's think they are? If we can't have it both ways, neither can they. They can't have their cake and eat it too. They can't get all the American goods and then have Africa in their hearts, and souls as well. " As a result, just like their colonizers that being (White people) they invent ridiculous justifications.

#1 AA's were not born in Africa.

#2 They don't know where they came from in Africa.

#2 they don't display African culture.
 
And this is the kicker,

#3 They are all mixed up

But this is more of a kicker because it involves percentage,

#4 African Americans are known to posses at least 20% of white blood.

What gets me is, how come they never talk about the native America blood or even Asian blood some of us have.  Makes me think that some of them wish they had some of that %20 percent white blood, perhaps they think it may do them some good.  Tongue Maybe they think they will get some light skin and some so called good hair.  Tongue

Ha, ha, ha

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They don't see how it doesn't hurt the African identity. My culture is supposedly too European, being an AA.

As if from colonization Africa still remains fully African influenced.  Undecided

As a matter a fact, you should see how bad some of them speak of the South Africans in this Forum. I would swear that South Africans are AA's.

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But I speak in a more Africanized manner than a lot of first generation Nigerians that I know.


Be careful, the above may be construed as talking black, LOL

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What about that? Why do I sound more Africanized than first generation people?


Maybe it is because they want to sound more white, LOL

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I am just trying to say that I would never take a DNA test to find out what tribe I am from. I am probably from 15 different tribes, that was generations ago.

All AA's are mixed with different tribes in Africa. This is why we have the Diaspora and Pan Africanism attitude. To bad there is not enough AA like minds in Africa, maybe then we could truly know what it means to have a United Africa. Wink

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The whole idea of the DNA test to see where in Africa you are from is silly to me. Culture is in the heart. It is in our speech, dance, way of thinking, and our love for the black race around the world. Africa in no longer one continent, Africans were stolen, so some of Africa was stolen.

True

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Africans do not like to hear this, but I don't know how a Nigerian physicist living in America just trying to make a lot of money embodies the African spirit more than a Malcolm X. It's illogical.

They have been conditioned to disrespect AA achievements. As a matter a fact, I have seen some of them say that AA's whine to much. It is almost like they are telling us that we are ungrateful to all that white people have done for us, I see why Africa continues to be pimped.  Undecided 

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I don't try to draw my roots to Africa to be cool. I don't want to be cool. I just want to tell the truth. If my roots were Asian, I'd be telling you how my culture has its Asian influence, too.

I know you don't want to be cool, I have seen you stress that many times. The thing is, what would be cool about admitting that your roots are African? From what non African people feel, they just see any black person with roots in Africa as a joke. Someone who can easily be fooled into abuse in all forms. 


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I do lack the tribalism, and I am actually glad about this, since it seems the ability to be tribalist is a big reason Africans dismiss us as Americans that don't have a history. The family tree that I have at my house goes all the way back to slavery, farther than most Africans that I know can trace. Sure, it doesn't take me back to my ancestral homeland, but it is still history of my people. I don't know how people can criticize us, calling us more American than African but then when I say that I can trace my roots back over 150 years in America they say it doesn't count because I am really African. See the confusion there? I can't win."

It is just like I said, the ones who get mad with AA's who are disgusted with Africa are the same ones that will taunt AA's who love Africa and respect their African roots. We as African or African decent/black which ever you prefer, we have a long ways to go.




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Sista, we are going to have to deal with people who think they are trying to be cool by being "African". The only reason we see ourselves this way is because our culture is FLAGRANTLY African.


I can't tell you how many AA's I see each day who look like they just walked out of Africa. I am a talker so I play with them. I say " Brother or Sister, you remind me of an African" and almost 99.9 percent of the time they always respond with "I am African"

This is interesting because Most Africans on the continent either say that Jamaicans are African or that they are more African than AA's. The thing is, Jamaicans are mixed with white and Indian blood as well. Do you see what I am seeing? It is no secret that Jamaicans as well as Africans on the continent are going out of their way to get to places like Europe and America. What they both have in common is, they each want what they feel we AA's take for granted. We have to be groveling and our groveling has to be as noticeable as their groveling before we can be Africa. They don't even see how much of an insult they reflect upon Africa with that kind of thinking. Don't get me wrong though, Jamaicans love AA's and AA's definitely connect with Jamaicans because we have almost everything in common accept for where we were born.


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We see this. If we didn't, we wouldn't feel solidarity with Africans. A physical connection is not enough. Africans are all over the world. I don't call myself an "African" because it is misleading, but we are all of African cultures. The sad part is, some of these people in here that speak so ridiculously, they think Africa has a cool image. No one invests in Africa. African continues to be robbed by some and ignored by others, unless, of course, they want to rob. And what do the people do? They push away anyone that doesn't want Africa to end up at the bottom as if we are still in the old days before whites came and took over most of the world. It is time to react to a changing world and establish solidarity on common goals. Africa is not considered cool, even a vast majority of AA's were ashamed years ago. We are not trying to be cool or fit in somewhere. It is just something is us that drives us to want to connect with people with similar cultures and interests in the rest of the world. I am an activist, I believe in truth and doing what is right. I want to get RID of self hatred!


I agree.

But what happens? I am told that I will never understand Africa or anything about it and that I am a lost soul without a foundation, as if there are no lost Africans. I see them all the time.

But, some people, and I stress that it's not all Africans, cannot see the bigger picture. At the end of the day, I am just a wannabe to them.
Donzman (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #750 on: June 16, 2007, 05:47 AM »

@cavsman

Give me a quick rundown on how your culture is African and not European, just a quick rundown.
Sista (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #751 on: June 16, 2007, 09:31 PM »

@Donzman

You your self has talked about how bad AA's are and how they do this or that. You don't Say Americans when you are talking about AA's. You yourself has made sure to separate African or Black Americans away from Asian, Indian, and European Americans. You know why you do that? Without even realizing it, you yourself, you know that black Almeria is a separate entity from the other Americans.


Why, because AA's are black and they are black because  of their direct ancestral connection to Africa. That means we have a different culture from the rest and that culture, weather you like it or not, it is a result of Africans in America over a long, long period of time. It is no different from the first generation Africans, born in Africa, who have been living in America since they first began kindergarten. You would never know that they were born in Africa unless the conversation of where one was born came up.

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Give me a quick rundown on how your culture is African and not European, just a quick rundown.


I know you didn't ask me this question but I just couldn't resist. Europeans have no culture. Unless culture is to steal and rob from everyone and claim what you stole as your own. Which in the case of Europeans, culture would be whatever tickles their fancy and they have the gull and go take it to claim it as their own. They don't call America a mixing pot for nothing and they don't call white Americans Americans while they call everyone else African American, Asian American, Native American and so forth. For white people, American means white people and the other Americans, well, they are just in America because they are a left over resulted aftermath of European theft from other countries. In reality, the other Americans are the reason why America is called the mixing pot.
YOUNGDICE$ (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #752 on: June 17, 2007, 03:40 PM »

this african chick in my school got jumped because she said she was black.
Hero (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #753 on: June 18, 2007, 06:37 AM »

Who jumped her, and why would they jump her for saying that she was black?
JustGood (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #754 on: June 18, 2007, 09:38 AM »

Quote from: Sista on June 15, 2007, 04:12 PM

Blah, Blah, Blah, what a pitty.

This African won't be wasting anymore time with this unconscious child, justgood fool Tongue

No Tribal child like, African or white man can tell me who I am. Tongue

The only thing that matters is what my parents taught me and what their parents taught and so forth through generations.


It doesn't matter what your parents taught you; it doesn't change what you are.

If your parents told you that you are a goat, does that necessarily make you a goat? You can be called whatever anyone wants to call you and you can call yourself anything but you're still a Black American
naija_diva (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #755 on: June 18, 2007, 08:53 PM »

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this african chick in my school got jumped because she said she was black.

i wonder what school you go to because everyone getting jumped just because they want to claim something.
ebeledi (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #756 on: June 18, 2007, 09:34 PM »



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I look at it like this, Africans on the continent wish they could have the so called benefits that they think we African Americans take for granted. They feel like, "Who do those AA's think they are? If we can't have it both ways, neither can they. They can't have their cake and eat it too. They can't get all the American goods and then have Africa in their hearts, and souls as well. " As a result, just like their colonizers that being (White people) they invent ridiculous justifications.

who in the world do you think you are to go into what the minds of what you call "africans in the continent" how idiodic are you to tell people who what they think

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#1 AA's were not born in Africa.

#2 They don't know where they came from in Africa.

#2 they don't display African culture.
 
And this is the kicker,

#3 They are all mixed up

But this is more of a kicker because it involves percentage,

#4 African Americans are known to posses at least 20% of white blood.

What gets me is, how come they never talk about the native America blood or even Asian blood some of us have. Makes me think that some of them wish they had some of that %20 percent white blood, perhaps they think it may do them some good. Tongue Maybe they think they will get some light skin and some so called good hair. Tongue


from your writings it is evident that you have a problem with people speaking the truth.
Ha, ha, ha

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As if from colonization Africa still remains fully African influenced. Undecided
what s your point, we are still african, wasnt europe colonized by romans and greeks

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As a matter a fact, you should see how bad some of them speak of the South Africans in this Forum. I would swear that South Africans are AA's.
so now your blaming us for expressing our opinions on things, don't you know that its a free world, south africans talk bad about other africans as well
and don't make it seem as if african americans don't talk bad about africans, go to the BET forum and see what they say about africans

Be careful, the above may be construed as talking black, LOL
 

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Maybe it is because they want to sound more white, LOL

who wants to sound white, or be white, here you go again with your crazy theories
so now talking educated is being white?

@caveman
how are you more "africanized" than first generation americans please elaborate
cause i am one and i will strongly disagree with that

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All AA's are mixed with different tribes in Africa. This is why we have the Diaspora and Pan Africanism attitude. To bad there is not enough AA like minds in Africa, maybe then we could truly know what it means to have a United Africa. Wink

before you talk about this united africa, look at the US and let the Blacks in the US become united my friend
talking about pan afrcanism needs to start at home, and from where i live there is much division

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They have been conditioned to disrespect AA achievements. As a matter a fact, I have seen some of them say that AA's whine to much. It is almost like they are telling us that we are ungrateful to all that white people have done for us, I see why Africa continues to be pimped. Undecided


since when are we "disrespecting" achievements, if we disrespect at all it comes from the present mentallity in general of black people not your forefathers

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It is just like I said, the ones who get mad with AA's who are disgusted with Africa are the same ones that will taunt AA's who love Africa and respect their African roots. We as African or African decent/black which ever you prefer, we have a long ways to go.

you talk of all this africans being mad for descendants claiming africa, but i can tell you we could give a damn whether you claimed antartica
stop antagonizing africans for expressing themselves, when you yourself made such a statement
"DO AFRICAN WOMEN DISLIKE BLACK AMERICAN"

now tell me the truth, you know well enough if a nigerian had made a post vice versa ,  you would be all up in that post blah blah blah making noise

so stop this double standerd my friend



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I can't tell you how many AA's I see each day who look like they just walked out of Africa. I am a talker so I play with them. I say " Brother or Sister, you remind me of an African" and almost 99.9 percent of the time they always respond with "I am African"
this sounds nothing, but like a make believe fantasy,  i have said that to many before
and i get the 3rd degree about the white ancenstry, indian, asian that YOU yourself is opposed to


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This is interesting because Most Africans on the continent either say that Jamaicans are African or that they are more African than AA's. The thing is, Jamaicans are mixed with white and Indian blood as well. Do you see what I am seeing?
Yeah, and so what if Jamaicans are mixed but not as much as african americans
90 percent of them are african descent, while the rese are mixed


YOUNGDICE$ (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #757 on: June 19, 2007, 06:32 PM »

@EBELEDI
THOSE ANSWERS ARE TOUGH BOY.

@NAIJADIVA

I GO TO  GOODWEATHER SCHOOL IN YONKERS.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #758 on: June 20, 2007, 04:37 PM »

Quote from: Donzman on June 16, 2007, 05:47 AM
Give me a quick rundown on how your culture is African and not European, just a quick rundown.

Donzman,

What parts of my culture do you want to learn about?

The Drummers? That are in every African American neighborhood?

You want me go and search and look up white folks talking about the drumming music of the slaves every sunday, the one day they were allowed to worship God during slavery?

Drummers during the civil war?

How it came about that we have drummers and drumming African American culture?

How we know this is a part of our culture, no matter how sophisticated or unsophisticated and unAfrican it may look to the naked eye (because the drummers are wearing Fubu?), and that it is not something given to us by the "Europeans"?
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #759 on: June 20, 2007, 05:01 PM »

Quote from: Sista on June 16, 2007, 05:28 AM
I look at it like this, Africans on the continent 

Sista,

Please be careful not to confuse "Westernized Africans" with "Reglar Africans".

Reglar Africans don't be thinking all wacky about African Americans or wondering nothing about who we think we are. They be happy to see us and just glad that wee little people want to see them.

Westernized Africans, a different breed altogether.

These are the educated Africans who can fall in and out of leadership in Africa and who are ripping off all the people of Africa. Their children are sent with stolen money to live in safer places than they have made their own countries.

They are the natural enemy of the African American, and that is what all this stupid anti-AA talk is about. Some of them on this huge forum are probably paid to disturb conversations and bring their prejudice. Chinua Achebe is one such African American who for instance tries to win back the hearts and souls of Westernized Africans to be again Reglar Africans.

African Americans care about the Reglar Africans and Westernized Africans want to keep AA from ever waking up and using our power to get rid of their corrupt luxury lifestyles, they earn by stealing the dollars from Reglar Africans.

Let's not lump all Continental Africans into one group based on what "Westernized Africans" say. Smile.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #760 on: June 20, 2007, 05:21 PM »

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before you talk about this united africa, look at the US and let the Blacks in the US become united my friend
talking about pan afrcanism needs to start at home, and from where i live there is much division

Ebeledi,

I normally tell people: African Americans are the most united group of Black folks in the world.

I just posted on another thread the link showing that African Americans give 25 percent more of their disposable income to Charity than white Americans.

On another thread, I posted our well known voting of 90 percent together. And trust, when we were pro-Rebulican years ago, our votes were pro-Rebulican by 90 percent or more.

Rodney King got beat up in California. When the police officers who did it were set free, there were riots all over the United States.

When O.J. went free, there were celebrations all across the country in Black Neighborhoods.

African Americans stand out in America because we all think alike.

Haven't you noticed all the African Americans here kind of all believe the same basic things?

Doesn't Drusilla's views match mostly Chinua Achebe's views?

Don't Horus and Sista have some Egyptology stuff in common?

Don't thecavesman and Hero and Drusilla think alike?

I'm just saying. We are like a rock, in a way, living in the whiteman's land for 600 years will do that to you.

If we did nothing else, we united with each other. 

I assure you, your eyes are lying to you, when you think AA are not united.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #761 on: June 20, 2007, 07:07 PM »

To Drussilla,


when you say westernized Africans, is very confusing, is it every Africans that lives in the west that are the westernized Africans?, if the answer is, YES, then you are probably talking about those who could not understand or make positive use of there experiences, believe me some of the people you might see as westernized Africans are some of the people that care more about Africa and are cracking there brain on how to better things for Africans, you are confusing every thing with the so called flash in the pan westernized Africans who tries to appear westernized to look cool, watch out most of these people has spent only a very little time in the western system, and therefore don't understand it and think that all that glitter is gold, and in most cases do change with time.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #762 on: June 20, 2007, 07:45 PM »

Quote from: NINETOFIVE on June 20, 2007, 07:07 PM
To Drussilla,


when you say westernized Africans, is very confusing, is it every Africans that lives in the west that are the westernized Africans?, if the answer is, YES, then you are probably talking about those who could not understand or make positive use of there experiences, believe me some of the people you might see as westernized Africans are some of the people that care more about Africa and are cracking there brain on how to better things for Africans, you are confusing every thing with the so called flash in the pan westernized Africans who tries to appear westernized to look cool, watch out most of these people has spent only a very little time in the western system, and therefore don't understand it and think that all that glitter is gold, and in most cases do change with time.


925,

You right. I am going to have to come up with a better name than that. That name adds more confusion.

As Chinua Achebe said:

"I appreciate your use of the word 'us' in your question because that's what I'm about. What happens to us happens to us all wherever it may be, and Jamaica is as much involved as Somalia, Sudan, Nigera or anywhere else in Africa. There are some who don't see it and if you don't, you have missed the point and if you miss the point you cannot possibly understand the link to the transatlantic slave trade. And it's the remnants of that influence and meaning that are now unfolding. That's where I begin. "  http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-34518.0.html


There are those who are about the "US" and there are those who are not about the "US".
YOUNGDICE$ (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #763 on: June 20, 2007, 09:01 PM »

african american are not african that's all i know they don't act africans they might look like but they don't act like one,do yall know that caribeans eat fufu?
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #764 on: June 20, 2007, 09:35 PM »

Quote from: YOUNGDICE$ on June 20, 2007, 09:01 PM
african american are not african that's all i know they don't act africans they might look like but they don't act like one,do yall know that caribeans eat fufu?

Youngdice,

That's according to your personally designed definition of "What is an African?"

I myself do not even consider Nigeria to be yet an "African/Black" country. The culture is still wackingly white -- i.e. watching a million people starve to death. Watching the Niger Delta area.

In fact, decades ago it was possible to meet Africans, who did not even understand why or what was meant by "African". Nigerian posters here have even denied being African at all.

Don't get it confused son.

African/Black is a term built and defined for the last 600 years by the Africans/blacks who live in the diaspora.

Africans on the continent, have always thought of themselves in terms of their personal culture.

The definition of the world wide African/Black culture has always been done by Diasporans.

So you err, in thinking that continental africans would be the "african/black" by whom all other African/blacks are defined by.

They don't really even understand themselves in those terms (African/Black) until they leave Africa.

How could they be defining "African/Black" before their even knowing about it?

African/Black been well defined in this part of the world for 600 years.
ebeledi (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #765 on: June 22, 2007, 09:03 PM »

ok you are putting poverty in the lines of culture

how in the world is nigerian culture white

if you call nigeria white because of "poverty", you might as well call the whole continent white because there is poverty all over

i still don't get your comments on americans being the most united black people there are

there are pan africanist everywhere in the continent in africa as well as the carribbean

many other black ethnicities are also united

the only way i can understand your comment is if you are using the term "continental african" as an ethnic group which it isnt


Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #766 on: June 22, 2007, 09:27 PM »

Quote from: ebeledi on June 22, 2007, 09:03 PM
ok you are putting poverty in the lines of culture

how in the world is nigerian culture white

if you call nigeria white because of "poverty", you might as well call the whole continent white because there is poverty all over

Ebeledi,

Sorry. I was not calling Nigeria "white" because of poverty.

I was calling Nigeria "white" because of how the people are treated like dogs by their government, police force, middle class's, educated class's which is the same way, "whites" treated Nigerians during colonialization.

Also the nature of so much "pride" of which tribe they are from. One tribe apparently being genetically and culturally "superior" to the other tribe. "Whites" always want to be superior to someone. 

I consider "pride" to be the only sin to God. So of course it follows that this "pride" is tearing down and not building up Nigeria. It follows that Nigeria is getting worse since whites left and not better.

There has basically been no change, it is still being ran only worse the same way it was during colonialization. The people are secondary to holding on to power and getting yourself rich.

Thus Nigeria is still "white, even though the faces are black.
ebeledi (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #767 on: June 22, 2007, 09:45 PM »

would you also describe the slums of Camden, New Jersey as "white"

the label of pride is every where even in the United States you have different gangs, and people feeling superior to someone else because of what hood they are from, or the people feeling superior to someone else because another person wasnt raised in the hood

in america there is also a division between the middle class, lower class, and the "elite" educated class

there are some black people who grew up in white neighborhoods, and percieve all other black people as being lower than they are despite the ethnic heritage they have in common

so you should use the term "white" as something universal and not just african

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