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Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #768 on: June 22, 2007, 09:49 PM »

Quote from: ebeledi on June 22, 2007, 09:45 PM
would you also describe the slums of Camden, New Jersey as "white"

the label of pride is every where even in the United States you have different gangs, and people feeling superior to someone else because of what hood they are from, or the people feeling superior to someone else because another person wasnt raised in the hood

in america there is also a division between the middle class, lower class, and the "elite" educated class

there are some black people who grew up in white neighborhoods, and percieve all other black people as being lower than they are despite the ethnic heritage they have in common

so you should use the term "white" as something universal and not just african

Ebeledi,

It has nothing whatsoever to do with poverty.

It has to do with mentality towards your own Blackselves.

I be over here calling "African Americans" -- whites too. I'm pretty fair about that. LOL
ebeledi (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #769 on: June 22, 2007, 09:52 PM »

so you would called a straight up hood nigga from compton born and bred thats reppin the crips
"white" because of their mentallity towards their blackness
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #770 on: June 22, 2007, 10:22 PM »

Quote from: ebeledi on June 22, 2007, 09:52 PM
so you would called a straight up hood nigga from compton born and bred thats reppin the crips
"white" because of their mentallity towards their blackness

Ebeledi,

Your smart. EXACTLY!

As the Nation of Islam says:

God made the Blackman.
Whitemen made Niggers.

As you know, the Nation of Islam specializes in going in and protecting neighborhoods from drug dealers, solving gang problems etc, going to prison and reforming the criminals, the United States government because of the NOI success, sometimes turns over housing projects to them, to clean them up from the mess.
ebeledi (m)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #771 on: June 22, 2007, 10:30 PM »

yea i can understand that

but i think once you label yourself a "victim" you are also lowering your expectations as a human being

thats why i don't blame the white man on all the problems we as black people are facing, nevertheless it is true that white man has destructed the social order in America by segregating us for generations thus placing us away from the rest of society, and once we fought and gained our freedom they expected us to rise up, 

but labeling ourselves as victims of white oppression will not change our mentallity
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #772 on: June 22, 2007, 11:24 PM »

Quote from: ebeledi on June 22, 2007, 10:30 PM
yea i can understand that

but i think once you label yourself a "victim" you are also lowering your expectations as a human being

thats why i don't blame the white man on all the problems we as black people are facing, nevertheless it is true that white man has destructed the social order in America by segregating us for generations thus placing us away from the rest of society, and once we fought and gained our freedom they expected us to rise up,

but labeling ourselves as victims of white oppression will not change our mentallity

Ebeledi,

I think many people have a tendency to forget that African Americans are INDEED Americans.

America is a country where it is widely understood, that getting money is the most important thing you can do.

And Americans are not above "stealing or killing or prostituting" for money.

Our government just committed the greatest robbery in modern history by killing up a few hundred thousand Iraq's and taking that country.

Madonna used sex to sell albums, same as a black rapper might do.

Let me tell you, a story you may not know about Slavery in America. If a white woman married an African slave, she became the property of the master. So you know of course that they had to put laws in place eventually to stop so many white masters from kidnapping and forcing white women to marry their male slaves, right? The term "white slavery" actually deals with these "white women" enslaved as sexual slaves by this (forcing them to marry a black slave) and other means.

America ain't no joke when it comes to getting their money on and what they find acceptable to do it.

Here's my point: When I see Black children shooting at each other over their drug money turf and/or robbery's.

I am seeing a general American "dog eat dog" mentality. This is the American part of African Americans.

Thus "white".

Nothing to do with victimnization at all, when I call someone "white".
thecavsman
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #773 on: June 23, 2007, 02:56 AM »

And in terms of the victims stuff

What is wrong with seeing myself as a victim to a large crime? I am. That doesn't mean that I won't think that I can and will rise above it, and already have done so. SO what if I think I am a victim. That is motivation.

Not only that but if you forget you are a victim and you aren't in good standing in society in terms of social-economic level, then what happens? You start to hate yourself. Because if you are under someone else and not taught that you are in fact a victim, then you will blame yourself and your people.

I hate when people act like that type of thinking is the way to be. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Do African Women Dislike Black American Women?
« #774 on: June 24, 2007, 03:48 AM »

Quote from: thecavsman on June 23, 2007, 02:56 AM
Not only that but if you forget you are a victim and you aren't in good standing in society in terms of social-economic level, then what happens? You start to hate yourself. Because if you are under someone else and not taught that you are in fact a victim, then you will blame yourself and your people.

TCM,

This often happens to some African American students. They begin to believe to make it that they have to be different from all the other "ignorant black folks".

I believe that people are under the wrong impression, when they think that Blacks kids trying to get an education are called "white" because they are trying to get an education.

In fact their called white because their putting down and saying ignorant things about Black people, as they dissasociate themselves from what ever they consider a hinderance to their survival.

Psychologically, the little black child has to disassociate with all things black, to give themselves permission to get a good education. It's because their told all things Black led to the bad condition of their school, neighborhood, etc.

It is like a pet peeve of mine, that you can enter a room of 5000 black successful Ghetto Children, who are suburban adults now,  who will tell some opie story of how they survived their terrible Ghetto's because they refused to be like the rest of those stupid Negro's.

This is part of the problem that hopefully children getting far better educations in "Afrocentric schools", you don't have to stop being black and have hatred of black to be a successful person.

One little Afrocentric school near me, just beat out the snobbiest if not the richest little white suburb in some state testing.

Another Afrocentric school brags on the amount of words that it's children can read, write and understand by early ages.

I hear many more success stories from around the country with this new breed of Afrocentric schools coming into existence right now.

Black kids can learn much more than the current government school systems expect from them. 

Kids just need someone to believe in them.

It's much better for a Black child to learn from an Afrocentric school that yes -- Blacks have been the victims in society for a long time. All of us. So let us not even discuss your home life, your parents, your poverty.  Let's just get to learning.

I actually think it is the white teacher's "emotions" that get in the way of their opening communication with Black students.

The teacher try's to "love" them by giving them easier work, so the child can feel like a success. (Thus is the reason you have black 4.0 straight A students, who have to be retrained in up to standard basics as they enter college.) This is not appropiate love.

The teacher who actually "hates" black students and let's them know it. Like the one who told his 7th grade class, that if it was up to him,  he would have never ended slavery. Another teacher who said the only thing sad about a little black boy getting decapitated on his school bus is that "she wasn't there to see it".

This type of thinking is what Black Children are the victim of, and we must be open to seeing the victim (50 percent of Black Male Children not graduating, in some places) so that we can address those children's needs.

Afrocentric schools can help with this.
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