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candylips (m)
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here comes the coco. Word up sweetie. you know i ve gat ur back anyday 
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Elidegreat (m)
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, i was married for 10yrs that is the reason for me choosing an independant life.
my profession would not allow me to behave in the way i did before toward you but believe me i am not a fluffy bunny.
Sorry to shift focus a bit. Why did you break up after 10 years!Hope not on grounds of infidelity etc? (No harm intended). Whats your profession? Meanwhile thanks for the new improved COCO
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Penelopy
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Brownsuga where are you?  ?? :  you can't leave now,  i watch and i learn soooo much from this, wher r u???
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Dido
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HELP ME WITH THIS ISSUE
Well I've been looking for answers with my Nigerian boyfriend for the past 3 years and I have not gotten any as yet. Maybe one of you Nigerian Fellas can help me with my situation because I am at a point now where I just want to move it. THough it's tough, I know that its something that I will have to do for my own happiness.
I've been seeing this Nigerian guy for more than 3 years. When I met him he told me that he was single but he had a daughter from his ex girlfriend. Every weekend he would go out of town to visit his daughter (so he said) and I was fine with all that. One day he tells me that he's thinking about moving his daughter to live with him and I was cool with all that until he says that his daughter's mother will be moving in also since she would not allow the daugther to come alone. Haha how funny, But I was cool with it, me who's a very understanding person and of course I loved him.
Well this happened in 2003, this is now 2006 and the baby mother is still living with him and his mother and I'm like on the outside of the whole thing. Ever since she moved, He has not spent a night in my home, (I would see him once a week for sex) or taken me out anywhere since 2003. I've question him several times about the situation but he refuse to answer any questions and gets upset with me for even asking. I somehow already know what the deal is, since I've heard recently that the baby mother is expecting another child.
So please enlightened me as to what I should really do because this is so frustrating for me and it's killing me daily the longer I hold on. I don't want to leave because I'm thinking that maybe it's nothing really going on with them and it's still for the sake of the child but I think that's because I am living in denial.
If they are still together, I can vouch for Nigerian men being cheaters and liars and can definately say that they are insensitive towards women's feelings because from day one I noticed it but I just grew to accept it.
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mochafella (m)
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@ dido 
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Dido
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Mochafella, that's the facial expression I've had on my face for the past 8 months. Believe me it's not easy and what hurst even more is that I know that I deserve so much more than he can give. Added to the fact that I go out of my way to do anything he wants, financially and otherwise. I invest my father's hard earned money and mine as well in buying his love while "Baby Mama" sits at home doing nothing. Maybe she's spending my investments!
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mochafella (m)
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Are u waiting for a wedding invitation? 
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jammin (m)
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i'm going to stick my neck out and make some comments. Nigerian men grow up in an environment where morals are extremely conservative. women in their world,,, it is my belief,,, exist as merely chattel. they cannot deal with independent strong will women. a woman has to obey their every whim and fancy,,, to do otherwise is a threat to their manhood. so when they are in another environment, such as a society that allow women their equality status. the relationship between a nigerian man and non-nigerian woman cannot be sustained because the nigerian man constantly harbour doubt about the woman's fedelity. and he knows that the authority he has over her is nothing in comparison to his native cultural practices. so women,,,, if you are dealing with a nigerian,,,chances are you are not getting his 100% love. he is always looking to find himself his contritely submissive female.
please send your feedback.
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Dido
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Jammin Well I somehow believe that's the truth because as I stated before, the guy that I am seeing his Baby Mother stays at home to take care of their daughter. She solely depends on him for everything, so maybe that is why he will now leave her. I on the other hand am a Senior Accountant and strongly believe in independence, but at the same time I can be submissive, meaning that because I love him I can be the Kneedy person that he probably would like for me to be. So are you saying that in order for me to win this guys heart I must solely rely on him for everything and do as he commands?  I had it all backward, I felt that if I kept supporting him financially that he would eventually decide to change the way he treats me, but I guess I was wrong.
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Brownsuga (f)
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@ Elidegreat, brother that was an awful conclusion you made of non-n women and then u say no offence intended, or was that only directed at coco29? "Reading Coco29 in whom @Brownsuga saw herself, I am beginning to understand why those N men dump u non N women. You sound as if your greatest selling points are your sex appeals and you have no inhibitions about sex. No thoroughbred Nman would want to marry a chick who has gone round the neighborhood s*ckin & F**kin all the cocks around?!Coco29 is the “wrongest” person to judge a Nman. No offence intended" Sex is just an element of a relationship. However mine was not only based on sex. Because of one story u come to that conclusion? Plz explain. "I am sorry, but I am left with no choice than to conclude that most non n women are like Coco (adventurous and wild!). I am yet to find a single, thorough bred N man who would take such character (of his own free will) to the Alter! I may be wrong, but I am yet to find the person. No Nman wants a wife that has gone round his neighborhood at different times in the past" Meanwhile I think @Brownsuga should apologise for the statement below The conclusions i made were 1) based on my own exp and that made here. I was selective. Indeed i again generalised. I apologize. A month of discussing on this thread has enlightened me, there were reasonable men and unreasonable ones with a painfully small screen of the world. @Lettergirl, thx for the solidarity. However i am not an AA. And i don't agree with you that there is such a thing as an "homogenous African culture". @Neelsel, immigration maybe an emergent global challenge, but i don't thik we can reduce infidelity to such excuses. @Superman: "all these coment are simply reflecting that nigerian men are simply clever for real! not sure if I'm right". You are simply wrong. Period! As for Dido, dear you have brought into the thread a new dimension. I found your story a bit peculiar. You have known this man for 3 years and you have been doupting him eversince? I find it hard to give an advice because you shared little of your strory with us. Is the whole family now living together? If so doesnt t seem obvious that this family is busy reconstructing their home? The ex-wife is expecting another child?  Plus he doesnt want to talk, And despite all this pain that this is causing you, you still have sex with him? Why do you allow that? don't you respect your body? I think you need to sit down with this man and have this important conversation you are having with us. I wish you much luck, I think some women in general display a cheap notion of themselves and they in turn get treated like that , trush. You deserve better therefore demand better treatment and most importantly radiate respect for your body and spirit and listen to your inner voice. Are you Nigerian?
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Brownsuga (f)
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Coco29!!!!!! Dear arent you taking this cypertalk way tooooo personal!!! I understand emtions are hard to suppress ( i was also hurt when mrmajor made a rude comment), but dear i have read your journal and i really think you need to reflect or rather build some kind of a wall between you and cyper discussions. It is good to know you are a consellor and i am sure you are good one; you are compassionate and articualte.
Now, chill and let people play with your feelings dear!!
between were u annoyed by Elidegreat's reactions, i found them also too shallow.
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Brownsuga (f)
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coco29,i meant don't let people play with ur feelings, lool
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Brownsuga (f)
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they cannot deal with independent strong will women. a woman has to obey their every whim and fancy,,, to do otherwise is a threat to their manhood.
the relationship between a nigerian man and non-nigerian woman cannot be sustained because the nigerian man constantly harbour doubt about the woman's fedelity.
if you are dealing with a nigerian,,,chances are you are not getting his 100% love. he is always looking to find himself his contritely submissive female. Thx for sticking your head into this discussion, lol. Interesting perspective. I respect your opinion, but unless you elaborate further, i am afraid i'D classify your arguments as really shortsighted. Does the "fidelity issue" also involve Nigerian women who are also indep/successfull? Are you saying that N men are untruthful only to non-n women?
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Brownsuga (f)
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Coco29, i think u meant brownsuga! lool, nevermind.
I think one should always defend onself, esp downgrading-chauvinistic-macho men, but plz but don't let em get to ur heart, good to know u are over it,
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jammin (m)
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i started from the begining and read the threads. Conclusion: Most Nigerian men are Backward in their sexual thinking. no apology. and they have an extremely selfish view on relationships. They want cuchie from women,,,,but consider women that give up the cuchie to be loose and not worth commiting to. backward thinking leads to backward behaviour, backward behaviour lead to backward society,backward society leads to exploitation and corruption and backward society lead to rampant poverty. nuff said.
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Brownsuga (f)
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@jammin, plz if u don't mind, do share with us the basis you have come to these conclusions. You see i don't mean to intervene into ur private life, but maybe by doing so, we can learn sthing from your story. and i really would like to know if u r a non-n woman/man or not?
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GermanLady (f)
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@ dido
if there are more naive females like you out there, I wish I would be a nigerian man in my next live and meet you .
sorry but what is your problem? are you di*k wipped ,because you are blinder than blind !
SORRY you need to get your head screwed back on your neck where it belong to.
how stupid can women be,I nearly have no words for that.
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Dido
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Brownsuga,
I do respect my body, It's not like I was just sleeping with him. Like you say I didn't give the full story so it will be difficult for you to give any genuine advice.
Yes I have been seeing him for 3 years, when I met him he told me that he was single and therefore we started dating each other, our dating then lead to a relationship. About a year later he decided to bring his ex-girlfriend (not wife, though they were engaged and he supposedly broke off the engagement because she cheated on him - that's what he told me) to live in with him and his mother.
Yes I'm crazy for continuing to pursue him and it does make me seem as if I have no respect for myself for allowing him to still have sex with me with me knowing that him and his Baby mother still lives together. But my whole thing is he never told me that they are together, whenever I asked he either gets angry and tell me that not because two people live together means that they are together. So with him saying that, I continue to tell myself that their living arrangement is still for the sake of the child. On top of that, his Baby mother contacted me and advised me that they are still engaged and that he denies that me and him have or had anything and that his mother was suppose to arranging a date for them to be getting married. Two weeks ago I found out that she might be expecting another baby. He denied it.
Maybe I'm just plan stupid or all in love because I can't seem to get out of this no matter how hard I try. Maybe I just need him to be straight up with me, instead of me speculating what the situation might be.
And no I'm not Nigerian, I am from the islands
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GermanLady (f)
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Brownsuga,
I do respect my body, It's not like I was just sleeping with him. Like you say I didn't give the full story so it will be difficult for you to give any genuine advice.
Yes I have been seeing him for 3 years, when I met him he told me that he was single and therefore we started dating each other, our dating then lead to a relationship. About a year later he decided to bring his ex-girlfriend (not wife, though they were engaged and he supposedly broke off the engagement because she cheated on him - that's what he told me) to live in with him and his mother.
Yes I'm crazy for continuing to pursue him and it does make me seem as if I have no respect for myself for allowing him to still have sex with me with me knowing that him and his Baby mother still lives together. But my whole thing is he never told me that they are together, whenever I asked he either gets angry and tell me that not because two people live together means that they are together. So with him saying that, I continue to tell myself that their living arrangement is still for the sake of the child. On top of that, his Baby mother contacted me and advised me that they are still engaged and that he denies that me and him have or had anything and that his mother was suppose to arranging a date for them to be getting married. Two weeks ago I found out that she might be expecting another baby. He denied it.
Maybe I'm just plan stupid or all in love because I can't seem to get out of this no matter how hard I try. Maybe I just need him to be straight up with me, instead of me speculating what the situation might be.
And no I'm not Nigerian, I am from the islands
are there more women like YOU !!! on the island ? must be a man's paradise. you say you respect your body, how about show some respect to your brain, are you really that blind, he will never tell you that he is with this other woman,N E V E R . why should he? he got his cake AND EAT IT TOO 
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somegirl (f)
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GermanLady, do you know how it is when your heart tells you a different story than your head does?
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Brownsuga (f)
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@Germanlady, sistah i think you were too hard on Dido. That was not necessary.
@dido, sis, this is the whole point i started this discussion about the fact that N men are such conniving deceits. I think it is due to the fact that they are so good at what they do-meaning the cheating and unfaithfullness- that, unles one is also fully skilled, they fall into the trap.
You said you love this man. I loved the N man i was with. I thought i'D die if i didnt see him again. For me he was my first love. He lied to me too in the beginning and until today i don't know why he did that. But today, eventhough he calls and writes, i am trying to get over him and heal the bitterness. I am sure you can do the same,
The point is dear, he lied to you initially and he will do it again-meaning he is not honest. I don't think he wants to commit. So you should sit down and make some serious decisions; do u want to just be in the rship and still enjoy the sex u obviously enjoy so much, or are you also ready to move forward and be loved for your own worth by someone who will love you equally.
Gosh i came here seeking advice, now i am giving one, loool!! and i think am good at it too,
Where is coco29 our councillor, maybe she has a better advice/approach??!!!
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Dido
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well brownsuga, I am not perfect and maybe I will take this as a lesson learned. What I don't understand is why he would wnat to be with an uneducated, don't work broad who can't do a thing for him besides be his house maid, Maybe that's what Nigerian men love, If that's the case I might as well accept it for what it is.
And FYI, if your trying to call me stupid, I'm not, sometimes love blinds you to certain situation, but sensible people learn from their mistakes and I do intend to
Thank you for your time and advice
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Brownsuga (f)
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GermanLady, do you know how it is when your heart tells you a different story than your head does?
I do, i have been through it, it took mrmajor and some other harsh-welcome-back-to earth sentiments that shook me out of it,
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Dido
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That last post was for Germanlady not Brownsuga - sorry 
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mochafella (m)
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Why do I see parallels between Dido and Brownsuga's case. Either way you both should have stepped the moment your heads screamed "hell no". 
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Brownsuga (f)
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@ dido, i got it. Thx. Why do I see parallels between Dido and Brownsuga's case. Either way you both should have stepped the moment your heads screamed "hell no".  @mochafella, wlc back. Indeed there are parallels in the stories, BUT there are also similarities in the behaviour of the N men. I hope u get what i mean, it can't be a coincidence, Like i said these N men are damn good lying architects, sometimes u live in that illusion and if u r an honest person, u believe them. Anyway, it just underlines the complexity of dating n men.
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Dido
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Thanks Brownsuga, and you are right I am in love with this guy and I do love our sex sessions  . I know that it's going to be hard for me to move on from him but I think it's worth a try. My whole thing is that I can't see myself being with anyone else, I hate the fact that I might have to start all over as far as getting to know someone. I always took comfort telling myself that is better to know what I have then to leave and get into something worst, but can it really be worst than this. I just feel like I've given my all and put so much time and effort into our relationshp for him to not appreciate that and see that I do love him. I know that I never cheated as his Baby mother did and honestly had no intentions. I tell myself that I was probably faithful to a man that was not even mine to begin with and most women do not do that today. The truth is if he comes to me right now I would still continue to be here for him and do whatever he asks of me, and I have no problem in doing anything for him it's just that I feel like its not getting us anywhere. I will try my best to let it go! Thanks
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mukina2 (f)
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[quote ] Like i said these N men are damn good lying architects, sometimes u live in that illusion and if you're an honest person, u believe them. Anyway, it just underlines the complexity of dating n men. so true
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superman (m)
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n-men still very clever human being! badman move forward! oh well haha going mad
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GNature (m)
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@Germanlady Grade for your response : A +  Dido needs to develop self confidence in herself. To me, the issue is not even with the Guy, it is with Dido. Have you considered furthering your education ?
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