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tukur2002n (m)
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@emeka, great response.
that really was a good one My brother you Guys are all right. but lets educate her further since that is what she wants. Romance means the same word, feelings, expression and all that goes with that act to a Nigerian man too. but while criticizing N.men try and recognize the fact that there are differences in cultural background and the approach to romance in the western world quite differs from ours in Nigeria here even @ that we are still very romantic more than your afroamerican or European brothers.  Buying of Roses and stuffs like that is not African and the secret of True love is being "Original "so i will rather say Nigerian men retain their originality concept rather than being hypnotize by one Oyinbo man Culture like that abi una wan colonize our culture? 
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GermanLady (f)
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in Germany I heared many many many lies from Nigerian men (an not only from them , LOL) american men are not a bit better,but african men have different reasons to lie. You never know if they want this Germanlady for love or for papers,so I came to the conclusion,I will be very careful with all of them. time will tell what a man want REALLY from a woman.if he just want the papers,he will dissapear soon because I don't offer marriage.I am not a silly young girl who get pregnant for a man nor will I believe when he tells me after 2 days he LOVES me, I know better than that. love has to grow.and not happening from one minute to the other.and only a very patient men will catch my heart,after he SHOWED me he loves me in more than one way. 
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TeshaS (f)
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Emeka & GNature
First let me say, if I came off like I was attacking Nigerian men, I apologize. I thought that this was forum where everyones views were welcomed. I don't hate Nigerian men, I happen to love one and we are married. That is why I am with one. One of you asked why I was with one.
The comments you made about AA men are true in some cases. But let's not be stereotypical. All AA men are not in jail or letting their women take care of them. For instance, my brother has just started his own magazine. He is college educated, mature, and has a job.
I am not looking for someone to kiss my feet but I am looking for a little more affection. And my husband is working on it. I brought this up only because I know couples like ours where the AA wife feels the same way.
So I don't think your response was a good one, I think it was very defensive.
I am not out to attack anyone. We are all the same. We have been separated, We have different cultures, I am not going to debate which is right or wrong. AA don't know or understand the Nigerian culture just like Nigerian don't understand our culture. That's why communication is important.
Question: Do you have a problem with AA women marrying Nigerians?[i][/i]
It seems that way to me. I hope I'm wrong.
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TeshaS (f)
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Tukur2002n
I am not sure if you were speaking to Emeka or GNature or myself.
I am educated I know the defintions of words or if I don't' know it I know where to look.
Please speak English, I don't know how to read your native language.
Many Thanks.
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tukur2002n (m)
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Posted by: TeshaS Insert Quote Emeka & GNature
First let me say, if I came off like I was attacking Nigerian men, I apologize. I thought that this was forum where everyones views were welcomed. I don't hate Nigerian men, I happen to love one and we are married. That is why I am with one. One of you asked why I was with one.
The comments you made about AA men are true in some cases. But let's not be stereotypical. All AA men are not in jail or letting their women take care of them. For instance, my brother has just started his own magazine. He is college educated, mature, and has a job.
I am not looking for someone to kiss my feet but I am looking for a little more affection. And my husband is working on it. I brought this up only because I know couples like ours where the AA wife feels the same way.
So I don't think your response was a good one, I think it was very defensive.
I am not out to attack anyone. We are all the same. We have been separated, We have different cultures, I am not going to debate which is right or wrong. AA don't know or understand the Nigerian culture just like Nigerian don't understand our culture. That's why communication is important.
Question: Do you have a problem with AA women marrying Nigerians?[i][/i]
It seems that way to me. I Thanx for giving proper clarity to your ealier response, to answer your question "No". if i happen to travel to one of this carribean country to work as single i will end up marrying a Afro American lady 'because they are all i want.
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GermanLady (f)
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I agree with TeshaS ! exept the "I love yous",that is said so often to catch a womans heart to get married for papers LOL.but afterwards no more I love yous.sad but true. my experience with many nigerian men in germany is the very same.and I have female friends they can tell you exact the same stories. many or shall I say most (of course not all)are not romantic, no roses, no I love yous, no going out their way to please you. They lack affection. those american men I know are the total opposite of that.no they are not using my money to buy flowers or to be romantic.they have their own money because they are in the military here. the difference is the UPBRINGING,where a man grew up. did he see his father is romancing his mother? does african men give flowers to romance?most african men think it is a waste of money,it's too hot for flowers,they will be wasted soon ,so why buy them? well - to ROMANCE your woman - dammit  but like I have said - it's the way the grow up so DIFFERENT,so who is to blame? so TeshaS I can feel you on so many things and I agree with you,communication is the key. those "knuckleheads" (in a funny way,no offence please) just don't know better.they got to be teached to ROMANCE 
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tukur2002n (m)
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I am not sure if you were speaking to Emeka or GNature or myself.
I am educated I know the defintions of words or if I don't' know it I know where to look.
Please speak English, I don't know how to read your native language.
Many Thanks. @teshas I don't mean any harm or abuse just trying to get clarity to your questions ok. I love AA ladies too so would not abuse a married woman ok.  many thanks.
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GermanLady (f)
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@ Tucur I agree with you also. romance doesn't mean to buy roses for the lady in an african man's view.you are absolutely right. women from other countries forget about that or are not aware of those things. that is the reason why I am here on Nairaland.I want to UNDERSTAND and I want to see the differences to make me understand my nigerina man in the future.so I won't be upset with him because he never bring me flowers. but on the other hand,I will tell him about the flower thing and I'll teach him the other things too he never knew about ,so I am happy ,because he'll shows he is learning about my culture and bring flowers every now and then to make his woman happy  same goes the other way around,he was very happy to see that I am interested in HIS culture. I can learn what makes HIM happy also.
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mizkay (f)
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@Brownsuga - If you hadnt posted this I probably would have. Ask 5 non-nigerian women who have dated nigerian men and 4 are bound to present you with a negative story. Mine is long. Let me make this short. What I find is they have quite a lot of hang-ups. By 'they' I mean the majority. Only a handful are open-minded, free-spirited, truthful, REAL Men! The rest: you can look at it in this way: very cultural (nothing wrong with that except tradition is fine, extreme tradition? I can't stand), they have this, that and the other thing/issue/person who is generally more important than you, the baby-mama-drama, the lies, they are nigerian and therefore you are nothing, respect? commitment? Dont mention it thank you. Granted. It is hard to be in an intercultural/interracial relationship, but I think with most nigerian men, it is a question of try, test, then go back to roots as it's best. Ha! you can say that again.
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TeshaS (f)
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I know romance is not important to all. But women for the most are drawn to romance. I have 3 sons and I want them to know how to romance a woman. If I had 3 daughters I would prepare her to be a wife. Romance for a woman is to feel wanted (not NEEDED) to feel sexy and beautiful. Its a special touch or a pet name. I candle light dinner and yes soft music. If you don't like flowers (MEN  ) women do, or chocolate. If they are watching their weight. I few Hershey's Kisses, A new CD. A stuffed animal. I try to explain to my husband it is the little things that count. Mail your husband and I love you card. Send it from work or where ever. Keep the romance alive. It is hard but it is worth it. The bottom line is we all want to be experience love and romance at some degree. I want my kids to see it with their parents. Believe it or not, my husband seems to think being romantic is being soft. Well, he used to think that way. He is really enjoying the reaping of benefits from being romantic. 
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GermanLady (f)
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@Brownsuga - If you hadnt posted this I probably would have. Ask 5 non-nigerian women who have dated nigerian men and 4 are bound to present you with a negative story. Mine is long. Let me make this short. What I find is they have quite a lot of hang-ups. By 'they' I mean the majority. Only a handful are open-minded, free-spirited, truthful, REAL Men! The rest: you can look at it in this way: very cultural (nothing wrong with that except tradition is fine, extreme tradition? I can't stand), they have this, that and the other thing/issue/person who is generally more important than you, the baby-mama-drama, the lies, they are nigerian and therefore you are nothing, respect? commitment? Dont mention it thank you. Granted. It is hard to be in an intercultural/interracial relationship, but I think with most nigerian men, it is a question of try, test, then go back to roots as it's best. Ha! you can say that again.
that's why I can only be happy with a EUROPEANIZED/AMERICANIZED nigerian man,if it happens to be a nigerian then. It's a 50/50 thing.I can't turn into an african women ,neither he can turn into a european man.but both can try to meet in the middle.and that's the only way it will work in intercultural/interracial relationships !
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mizkay (f)
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@germanlady- I get your drift and I agree with you. Basically it takes two to tango. No matter how hard the tango is. Relationships are not a one-way street. Now, point is - if only some men (and women) could get that into their brains we probably wouldnt be sat here spilling our guts out. It gets to the point where you think ' sod it, what's the point?',
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GermanLady (f)
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I know romance is not important to all. But women for the most are drawn to romance. I have 3 sons and I want them to know how to romance a woman. If I had 3 daughters I would prepare her to be a wife. Romance for a woman is to feel wanted (not NEEDED) to feel sexy and beautiful. Its a special touch or a pet name. I candle light dinner and yes soft music. If you don't like flowers (MEN  ) women do, or chocolate. If they are watching their weight. I few Hershey's Kisses, A new CD. A stuffed animal. I try to explain to my husband it is the little things that count. Mail your husband and I love you card. Send it from work or where ever. Keep the romance alive. It is hard but it is worth it. The bottom line is we all want to be experience love and romance at some degree. I want my kids to see it with their parents. Believe it or not, my husband seems to think being romantic is being soft. Well, he used to think that way. He is really enjoying the reaping of benefits from being romantic.  AMEN to that !!!!!!!!! so true,so true ,thank you preach it my nubian sister 
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TeshaS (f)
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Mizkay
I can no longer count the horror stories I've encounter about Nigerian men. Most of which were provided by AA women. I've been told by some many AA women, I'LL pray for you, or you are too nice for him, or I don't know how you do it.
OR
He is going leave you and them boys, or when is his Nigerian sister, I meant wife coming to America.
I often get discourage when things are going bad. But we keep fighting to make it work.
I said all that, to say this. Not all Nigerian men are liars, scams, etc. Who knows your true love maybe a Nigerian man.
Most of my girlfriends SWEAR to their maker they won't marry Nigerians. It is sad but the scam artist and paper seekers have made it that way. I live in Maryland, I'm not sure about other locations.
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mizkay (f)
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Mizkay
I can no longer count the horror stories I've encounter about Nigerian men. Most of which were provided by AA women. I've been told by some many AA women, I'LL pray for you, or you are too nice for him, or I don't know how you do it.
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He is going leave you and them boys, or when is his Nigerian sister, I meant wife coming to America.
I often get discourage when things are going bad. But we keep fighting to make it work.
I said all that, to say this. Not all Nigerian men are liars, scams, etc. Who knows your true love maybe a Nigerian man.
Most of my girlfriends SWEAR to their maker they won't marry Nigerians. It is sad but the scam artist and paper seekers have made it that way. I live in Maryland, I'm not sure about other locations.
I can understand you fully. Bottom line is when I get into a relationship I do not swear by culture, colour (although caucasians do little for me, that's a personal preference), race, religion or country. Really. I am the last person to say 'I will never this', or 'I will never that', I just think there should be some mutual respect in relationships, unicultural, or multicultural. Forget about love here (although that too is very important!) but the baseline is - give a woman some respect which would mean no need for lying, not meaning what you say - being upfront really and calling a spade a spade right from the start of the relationship. If you only want sex then say it - she might agree, or she might decide to walk, at least you were an honest, REAL man.
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TeshaS (f)
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MizkayYou are telling the truth. Don't lie, give a girl the option as if she wants to deal with you and all the drama. These men would be suprised that women (with low self-esteem) are taking men under all sorts of crazy conditions these days, married, gay, broke, abusive.  Ladies RESPECT yourself, 
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iice (f)
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but the baseline is - give a woman some respect which would mean no need for lying, not meaning what you say - being upfront really and calling a spade a spade right from the start of the relationship. If you only want sex then say it - she might agree, or she might decide to walk, at least you were an honest,
Word!
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Ben heart (m)
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To me it's a matter of N men it's a matter of fear of God. No matter where ever d man is from if he's not a God fearing type there will always be problem which is mostly cases like this. the basic truth is that the fear of God has disappeared from the heart of majority of people both men and women. I'm a nigerian man and i'm not going to talk about whether all nigerian man are like that.
but my advice for is if you are looking for a man, don't look for just any man. search a God fearing man and if you very much interested in nigerian men still look for God fearing one because it's only a God fearing man that will love you and marry you without even cheating on on you.
so becareful if you're searchin and pray to God for guidiance because he's the found of marriage. I think with that u will not have any problem. good luck
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Ben heart (m)
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if u also looking romance, passion and all that well it's every nigerian man that can give u that. In africa here romance and that are not part of the culture and whole thing is differs from one place to another. But for me u can do any thing to make your marriage work so far u are not going against d rule of God. so romance and any other thing that can build you marriage is important between a couple.
but if it's just a relationship one need not to go against d rule of God because that where d whole problem came from expecially sex before marriage. once you start doing that before marriage then there is no value to that relationship any more.
to sum it up, i think we all should try to apply God's principle in our relationship and it will help the marriage later on.
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GermanLady (f)
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if u also looking romance, passion and all that well it's every nigerian man that can give u that. In africa here romance and that are not part of the culture and whole thing is differs from one place to another. But for me u can do any thing to make your marriage work so far u are not going against d rule of God. so romance and any other thing that can build you marriage is important between a couple.
but if it's just a relationship one need not to go against d rule of God because that where d whole problem came from expecially sex before marriage. once you start doing that before marriage then there is no value to that relationship any more.
to sum it up, i think we all should try to apply God's principle in our relationship and it will help the marriage later on.
lord have mercy !!! I would never ever marry a man I cannot have sex with before marriage. these days who wants to buy the cat in the sack? sorry but in my world we see things a bit different.
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Ben heart (m)
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do u think it right Germanylady to have sex before marriage in God view
let's leave your the way things are viewed in your world. talkin bout God now u think it's right?
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GermanLady (f)
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do u think it right Germanylady to have sex before marriage in God view
let's leave your the way things are viewed in your world. talkin bout God now u think it's right?
most african people put God more into their lifes than we (europeans) its a big difference in viewing things if you put God aside. I am more spiritual and not religious. I do what I feel is good for me to still respect myself. to each his/her own. what if a woman marry a man and they won't fit in the sexual livepart? lovemaking is very important in marriages or relationships,because that will keep the man HOME .
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Ben heart (m)
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@germanlady I am more spiritual and not religious.
I do what I feel is good for me to still respect myself.
to each his/her own.[/color]
it's very important to put God first in one's life because he's d creator and every other thing comes after him. if u are spiritual, to whom r u spiritual? is it not God. though you're right that love makin is important but if it not according to the will of God should u still go ahead and any thing u fill is okay by u?
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tukur2002n (m)
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lord have mercy !!!
I would never ever marry a man I cannot have sex with before marriage.
these days who wants to buy the cat in the sack?
sorry but in my world we see things a bit different @ germanylady "nna" you will be very hot ooo!!!!!. this is really intresting  I want to agree with you on the ground of past xperience which a friend share with me that he marries his wife as a born again without sex before marriage but the honest truth is he is not enjoying sex with her like he thought it should be. he refer to an instance where he ask his wife for sex after about 2 to 3 month and she was giving excuses by carrying her child who was asleep already on her laps.  . infact if the bros no be born again he for don dey commit adultery outside you know. had it been he have the opportunity of sampling her he would have discovered this before now.
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Elidegreat (m)
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@Brownsuga, @iice, @Germanlady,
You got me firmly convinced that majority of Nmen in the Diaspora are bad!!!!!!!The story offered by u ladies have been consistent. However one wonders why inspite of the stories going round about Nmen, you still fall for them? I agree they are more physically attractive. Is there another reason? TeshaS may also answer please. Warm regards to all u "Rose loving" ladies. No disrespect please.
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Drn
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Boys will be boys irrespective of race and culture, People also respond to situations in which they find themselves, , Tesh, I'm happy for you and your Nman ,but for the rest of the ladies, whether in Naija or in the diaspora, Its always best to have your head firmly screwed on to your shoulders before getting into a relationshipwith any man moreso a nigerian guy. Even naija gals get nastily scalded, sometimes they get involved with a guy who claims to be looking something serious only to realise he is married abroad. They will prodly tell you that they are polygamous in nature
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mrmayor (m)
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Brownsuga,
I'm Nigerian and have dated women from the Caribbean and southern Africa.I can tell you tales about non-Nigerian women from now till kingdom come.
1.Nigerians living in the UK will tell you to run from Jamaican women,that they are a bunch of chain smoking,illiterate,whoring baby mamas.
2.East Africans,Zimbabwean and South African women are HIV/AIDS infected bitches who would sleep with anything with a D**K
3.Nigerian women are a bunch of self righteous money grabbing bitches.
Any man would find women fitting these Negative Stereotypes
What am trying to say here is that heartbreak in nothing unique be it with Nigerian or non-Nigerian,am sure your ex lover is not your first love!
Your statement that Nigerian men have reckless sex lives is highly misleading,from the Horn of Africa to Pretoria HIV/AIDS rule supreme because of reckless sex lives of your men.You would be hard pressed to find thousands of AIDS orphans in Nigeria.
On this forum you get Nigerian men and women complaining about each other,am looking forward hearing about how faithful,Kenyan,Ugandan,Italian,Irish men are especially from women who have dated both Nigerian and Non Nigerian.
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Brownsuga (f)
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Well well well, what can i say?
I am glad the issue of N men has ignited this long chain of discussions. I am particulary thankful to the non-N sistahs for sharing their personal experiences. It is these stories that have enlightened some N men here of the very bad image of N men abroad. However, from my understanding , i believe this image is also domestically present in N.
@ Elidegreat, i am glad you finally got it!
@mrmajor, i read your message several times, i am not getting your point. Please don't get me wrong, i am not labelling all N men as 'bad'. But the few that are, are just nasty. I was sharing an experience in the hope of finding some answers as to why SOME n men are badddddd and perceived by many women as liars and heartbreakers- an opinion that evidently many share in this thread too. I did not create that image.
You seem to be accusing me, perhaps for having that affair (because i should have known?) or perhaps for posting this thread? I know my message has rightfully angered many n men, including you. But i can't change reality.
What is it with the HIV/Aids?. With all due respect, it don't bother me what u think-though i do wannna listen to you. I am not an AA woman. I am from East Africa. My point was to fully comprehend the dysfunctional, selfish and cheating N men in order to to gain some insight, and to inform others of the misconceptions of n men that sadly do exist in the west and elsewhere. I was also looking for some healing.
On the issue of lack of romance; i think it is not one that is uniquely N, but an African thing.
@ all N men. I just would like to know why the N men here have been so defensive and abusive? Even when faced with facts based on experiences. Rather than understanding, many of you have chosen to question our stories and behaviour (about being with n men). Why do you brothers feel and react as if personally attacked?
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GNature (m)
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TeshaS
I have read your responses and I do agree with you that in the romance realm, an AA man has an edge over a Nigerian guy. As Germanlady has rightly said, it is more of a cultural thing than anything.
I have to admit that Germanlady has done her homework; I definately see her point when she insisted that only a relationship with an Americanized/Europeanized Nigerian guy would suit her.
Back home in Nigeria (for the most part), we men do not put as much romance in the relationship after marriage compared to when we were trying to win you over. One major cultural difference is that a western lady still wants to keep the romance afresh, just as it was when you were still dating, but we tend to tone it down after marriage.
Tesha - I think you got married to your husband because he is responsible - he can keep a job and be a good father to his children, but you didn't check to see how well he is as far as romance is concerned. {I am not penalizing you for not checking for this ahead of time, because how were you supposed to know ? The best guess you could make is how romantic he was when you guys were still dating}.
I have to admit that the kind of romance (e.g. buying flowers out of the blue, being more spontanious, candle light dinner) you are looking for with your husband is seen as being weak from his perspective (i.e. it is not "Man-like") - it's just a cultural thing.
You have to try and work with him rather than bashing him on this forum. You have to understand that he is behaving that way because of his cultural background. You have to try and work with him with this basic understanding in mind.
But like I said, I totally understand were you are coming from. I really do.
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Brownsuga (f)
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@mizkay, even with what you are saying, even with what i have said, and even with what all the others have said, the N men here arent getting it. I just want to know why,
Can some one plz tell me how i can quote someone here? lool, thx
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GNature (m)
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@Brownsuga Once you press reply, scroll down the page and look for the quote you want, once you find it, Press "insert quote" (its on the right hand corner) and your prayer will be answered 
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Brownsuga (f)
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@Brownsuga Once you press reply, scroll down the page and look for the quote you want, once you find it, Press "insert quote" (its on the right hand corner) and your prayer will be answered  thx gnature!!!!!! i tried before that but it didnt work, but it did now thx to you!!
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