Abortion: A Right Or a Crime?

A right when--------

1. The mother's life is in danger
2.When the mother's is raped

A crime because------- it's murder
 

This has nothing to do with what I was saying. The two are not comparable.

Assume that the neurological wiring that makes sentience possible is available at 27 weeks, but that there are no tests that allow you to measure sentience before 30 weeks. In that case it is reasonable to take a legal limit of 26 weeks, which includes a 27 weeks +/- 1 week margin of error and starts from that fact that it physically impossible to have sentience before that limit, even though it is more likely that sentience only is there after those 30 weeks.

Sentience is not the capacity to feel pain, it is the capacity to perceive sensations, and undifferentiated conscienceness. The ability to feel pain is just an indicator of sentience under specific circumstances (if an organism is capable of feeling pain, we can definitely speak of sentience). This requires specific neurological developments.
So, I think we agree on this treshold

PS; excuse me if I err against specific scientific terminology, correct me, I'm just a lay person.

It is not just the capacity to perceive sensations. The question should me how does the brain generate consciousness. Then we can look to define a when. Till now we cannot even understand how. And we still do not understand the human phyche. Go ask any pshycologist.

Consciousness cannot be said to have a single (or more than one) fixed location in the brain but can be triggered off almost anywhere in the brain and then spread out via the interconnections between neurons. Consciousness must also be a continuum to allow for the possibility of changes in the levels of consciousness. For example, at what stage can a foetus be said to be conscious? The only rational explanation is to think of consciousness gradually increasing, rather than suddenly coming into existence. Physiological behaviour which seems to confirm this is that new-born babies, which we assume have a very low level of consciousness, have fewer connections in their brains than adults. It appears that the amount of inter-neuron connectivity is related to the level of consciousness. Professor Greenfield Professor of Pharmacology at Oxford University explored the idea of different levels of consciousness and the possible physiological reasons for these different levels. For example, people who do activities such as bungee jumping or white water rafting report having a feeling of time standing still i.e. having a lower level of consciousness, which could be because such activities cut out external stimuli.

It has all to do with the discussion. It shows that a lower level of consciousness does not go in the direction that a newborn baby is not fully human yet because of lower level on consciousness.

The head of the new baby would be too large for a woman to give birth, so the moment of delivery is set earlier? What kind of idea is that. You get out because it's your time.

You should not believe everything that is published. I tell you from experience maybe one in 100 or 1000 is a real good one. I also find a lot of mistakes sometimes.

I was giving a series of freshman physics lectures, and after one of them, Tom Harvey, who assisted me in putting on the demonstrations, said, "You oughta see what's happening to mathematics in schoolbooks! My daughter comes home with a lot of crazy stuff!"

But the next day I got a telephone call from a pretty famous lawyer here in Pasadena, Mr. Norris, who was at that time on the Board of Education. He asked me if I would serve on the State Curriculum Commission, which had to choose the new schoolbooks. You see, there is a law that all of the schoolbooks used by all of the kids in all of the public schools have to be chosen by the Board of Education, so they have a committee to look over the books and to give them advice on which books to take.

It happened that a lot of the books were on a new method of teaching arithmetic called "new math," and since usually the only people to look at the books were schoolteachers or administrators in education, they thought it would be a good idea to have somebody who uses mathematics scientifically, who knows what the end product is and what we're trying to teach it for, to help in the evaluation of the schoolbooks.

I must have had, by this time, a guilty feeling about not cooperating with the government, because I agreed to get on this committee.

Immediately I began getting letters and telephone calls from schoolbook publishers. They said things like, "We're very glad to hear you're on the committee because we really wanted a scientific guy . . ." and "It's wonderful to have a scientist on the committee, because our books are scientifically oriented . . ." But they also said things like, "We'd like to explain to you what our book is about . . ." and "We'll be very glad to help you in any way we can to judge our books . . ." That seemed to me kind of crazy. I'm an objective scientist, and it seemed to me that since the only thing the kids in school are going to get is the books (and the teachers get the teacher's manual, which I would also get), any extra explanation from the company was a distortion. So I didn't want to speak to any of the publishers and always replied, "You don't have to explain; I'm sure the books will speak for themselves."

Mrs. Whitehouse started out telling me about the stuff they were going to talk about in the next meeting (they had already had one meeting; I was appointed late). "They're going to talk about the counting numbers." I didn't know what that was, but it turned out they were what I used to call integers. They had different names for everything, so I had a lot of trouble right from the start.

She told me how the members of the commission normally rated the new schoolbooks. They would get a relatively large number of copies of each book and would give them to various teachers and administrators in their district. Then they would get reports back on what these people thought about the books. Since I didn't know a lot of teachers or administrators, and since I felt that I could, by reading the books myself, make up my mind as to how they looked to me, I chose to read all the books myself. . . .

A few days later a guy from the book depository called me up and said, "We're ready to send you the books, there are three hundred pounds."

I was overwhelmed.

"It's all right; we'll get someone to help you read them."

I couldn't figure out how you do that: you either read them or you don't read them. Crazy. Crazy. Absolutely crazy. 

In Summary:

Baby's head grew larger. (Ok perhaps true)
That baby could not get out (Ok, but this sounds fishy, something stupid is going to happen)
All babies are born premature
Premature babies are underdeveloped. (I better stop)

Anyway you think biology is different. I tell you what, CT scan, X-ray were invented by physicists and some physicians have no clue how to interpret them.

chrisd,

I'll reply later. i won't forget you 

its a sin no doubt.but if one is under age no body to care  for the person and stuffs what does that person do can't keep the baby?

Really

abortion is right. if you know you are enalbe to provide for that kid. give it the support it needs you should have an abortion. people seem to forget not eveyone is able to look after a child and have the mental state to do it. it is a lot of work. men don't really have a say that much. your not really going through anything its the woman.

GOVERNMENT- CRIME
INDIVIDUAL- RIGHT
NATURALLY- SIN

if u don't want to have the baby, take a lot of lime/lemon during the 1st 2 months of the pregnancy. . u can also indulge in things not healthy or strainous for a pregnant woman. if the kid isnt stubborn, he'll just wash away and we'll refer to it as miscarriage.

that doesnt mean u should get pregnant stupidly.

the more reason she should keep her head up before it sinks into the river.



GIRLS, RESERVE UR VIRGINITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!