Olokola LNG And The Niger Delta Question

nigeriaone,
When you're done reading up Buluti's entry, I want you to go back and tell your friends that the OKLNG project will fail, if the ''points'' you posted are the reasons for locating the plant in Olokola.

"""the refinery in kaduna is not working, this olokola or what ever you people call it will end up being a white elephant project like the fayose poultry.  .""""

Answer:  Well I do not know if kaduna is not working , but that may be due to the niger delta problem,  or something else,  poor management,     Olokola would work,  because it is been funded but private partners,   The LNG is funded by oil company,  so if they decided to site in Olokola ,  who are you to tell them so. I know the govt had little investment in the project.








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"""""So engineering issues should be the only consideration when sitting a project? Should we consider the political economy.

You have attempted to use engineering jargons to justify the decision stating non-engineers would not understand. Who told you that ?? Brother we are educated,  i can research on any subject and gain meaningful understandin maybe not specialist but meaningfull,  break down your jargons and explain in simple english (thats one of the skills that proper education transfers) we would understand.  Am not convinced with your "engineering"reason(s), you have a point but its just too shallow to justify the location of such a project? I argue that other political and economic considerations should not be overlooked because they affect the longer term viability.""""





Now to an ordinary understanding, when you generate electricity for example, let say 3000MW ,  and you pass  it on a transmission line,  there would loss from the generating point  to the point it is used,   if you generate 3000mw in Niger delta , you may loss close to 1000MW  but the  time it get to lagos,  the loss is because of resistance  of the wire along the point,    but if you pump the gas to a factory in lagos and now generate in Lagos,, the loss is close to 0%,     , it is called attenuation, ( not sure if the spell is correct, ).

Engineering factor most be the only consideration to use,  we have over many years in Nigeria use POLITICAL FACTOR, this  is how our country have not achieve anything with your so call POLITICAL FACTOR,  "" No nation that want to success uses political factor over engineering consideration,  only stupid nation do that, //  we should not go back to the nonsense of  many years,  We have to do things right ,  to get thing on the right path, 







"""Your point on de-populating lagos is also not sound, why so close to lagos (45 mins) if thats the intention then the project should be cited in Zamfara, Sokoto or maybe the middle belt. Why cause a "future" problem close to a current problem because soon it might have the same population problem u want to slove.""""



The reason for site been close to Lagos is to attract business to the area,  past govt have tried calabar, and it as failed,  because calabar is too far from any major market,   and it in the east and if you have to ship. to europe,  you pay more to transport it from calabar than from Lagos area,    This reduce cost of transportation,    you can not set up EPZ in sokoto or zamfara because nobody in his reason mind would invest in that area,  I would not put my mind there too,  because it is far to the sea and the main aim of an export processing zone is to manufacture goods and ship it out to other country,  that is why it is close to lagos,  Nigeria have other EPZ zone , but they are not doing well,  because of location,   another reason why it is close to lagos is to attract skill labour,  there are more skilled  from lagos .



"""Furthermore, note that your arguement on peace is also unconvincing. Theres no monopoly of violence in Nigeria, whilst the degree and consistency differs it occurs everywhere, anytin could spark up, anytin, anytin. Was the Delta this problematice 20 years ago (the violence is a reaction, do you think the miiltants like the life???) and who told you Ondo, Ogun would be stable in the next 20 years,  """"


There have never been any know unrest in Olokola area of ondo or ogun state,   not in the last 300 years,  it is less than 30,000 people,

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"""My arguement is this we are always so so short sighted. Ethnicity and tribalism influence all our decisions so much that it is almost impossible to be objective in Nigeria. """""

That why i have ask that we remove th state of origin in the law and replace it with place of birth,   but the siting of the LNG never had Ethnicity and tribalism influence, just pure engineering,  I am sorry, if you do not like the engineering involve,   And the Niger delta,  should continue to fight and let see if anybody would invest,  they should stop and grow up,  who told Alam to steal  million of dollar,  na Obj,  Odili collect N8Billion each month from oil but nothing to show for it,  they should stop fighting the oil company and face their leader,  the the niger delta force kidnap odili child or all other niger delta leader children all the problem would be solve,   that is the solution to the niger delta problem,  good leadership,  their leaders have failed them that is where the problem is ,  Niger delta leaders  are just chop and chop.



http://www.NigeriaONE.com  34,000 member  , old board and new board put together,

Please recall i stated earlier that we should strive to use simple and clear words in our arguements so it can be easy to follow and make sense to the reader. The construction of your response leaves much to be desired in terms of the quality of the writer.

My response would be in two parts.

Being a specialist you should be sure of words you use so we the "ordinary mind" can check it out. I have not bothered to research your so called "attenuation" because really am not convinced you have proper understanding, its more like you are trying to show off knowledge which is not the purpose of this thread or forum.  A little deviation please, @ nigeriaone are you really involved in this project ?? I would like to know if you are really working at the design stage, it would help me access the quality of the personnel.

Having strenously read your response, let me clarify some misrepresentations. I never stated engineering issues should not be considered, i asked should they be the only consideration. Your response is that it should be the only consideration? I rest my case because clearly that exhibits the level of risk assessment that has been done, no need flogging a dead horse, time will tell, my pain is that am part of this nation of waste.

Brother you say Calabar failed, so the solution is to place everything close to Lagos. I can now clearly see your thinking of pattern. Did you ask why Calabar failed (i still dont think it has failed, its waiting for visionaries to move it), what was the level of funding and commitment. "Calabar is far from any major market" you say. Are you thinking of development at all, building new trade regions across the country, establishing other centres that would specialise in other commodities. Your soultion is to place everything close to Lagos. Please where are you from, do you want other parts of our country to be developed at all, the remote villages in Zamfara, maiduguri, Illorin, Ikot abassi.name it . anywhere and everywhere has a right to development, and it is the responsibility of the state to build, to invest, to plan, create wealth so that we dont kill ourselves over the little we have, expand, create new wealth .

My brother, there are many factor that is considered to site a company in any area,  and it favour the coastal area ahead of the desert area,  I can't teach you that it is what you should have done in school, 

the niger delta should not be asking for more money, but should ask that derivation to state should be cancelled,, and be replace with derivation to local govt,  if this happen,  Bomadi which collect about 50million a month,  would now collect about 600 million and can solve their problem,  there are less than 50 local govt in the niger delta 150 local govt that produce oil ,   let the money go directly to the local govt and not the state,  which would bring development to this oil community and they call solve their own problem,   most of the oil local govt would get about 600million each month if this happen,  they can build good road, school, hospital and many more with this ,  but if the money go to asaba,  asaba does not produce oil,  but get 80% of the money, 

@ nigeriaone, i can see that what am talking about is unimaginable to you in your little world  as you still talk of leaving naturally disadvantaged regions alone. Have you heard of "the palms island", please type it into google, thats even in the middle east not europe or america. Thats a nation investing heavily in tourism and thinking ahead knowing that it cant rely only on crude oil alonestance.

Again i ask you, should we leave the desert regions alone? I wont attempt to answer that question because its an "insult to common sense", please can you answer my question if you are/were actually involved in the design of the project or in your usual self you were just "shouting".

You have also decided to take the role of the legislature to enact laws concerning the tiers of government, thats not the topic and why this your passion about the niger delta asking for more money, you comfortably forgot about "true federalism" saying the Delta should not ask for more money. Please i dont want to sound insultive or attack personalities but "just keep quiet".

You've avoided the issues of if proper home work was done before locating the site which is the purpose of this thread, and enlighten us if there are since we argue and are of the opinion that it was sited based on tribal and ethnic considerations. Your points so far which i perceive might be the points of the government is again an insult to common sense and to us all.

 @ Chxta please nigeriaone has no points, the keyword is NO point not MAY.

chaxta thank you, but i do not have time to edit,  i am busy with many thing,  so bear with me,  Olokola have already started,  you are wasting your time ,, the project would remain in olokola,  I see you all as tribalist,  which is the same as racism,  Where a project is does not matter,  We have to get away from the tribal nonsense,  I believe if an igboman is born in lagos he should enjoy all benefit of people of lagos origin,  Ono is tribalist for bring up the point.  I do not care where project are located,  What i see is a one nigeria,  with no tribe,  and that is what my thinking is,  So considering tribal reason to locate project is nonsense, 

Get out of the block and see yourself as a nigerian who can live in any part of nigeria and is part of the society they find themself,   if you are igbo living in lagos, see yourself as lagosian,  and not from imo state,  care more for lagos and not for imo state,  then nigeria would be a better place,  Wich you all the best,  i am gone,  niger delt ashould deal with leadership problem,  this is the problem and not to increase the oil derivation ,   give oil derivation to local govt and not to the state,  . i rest my case,

Just when I thought my people are no longer looking at how we're being deprived of stuff needed for our own progress, something in the news caught my attention and raised my hopes again.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/2002/cover/august07/06082007/f206082007.html

As per Egbogah, an Ijaw, this link should suffice:

http://www.geanco.org/default.asp?show=egbogah

All these erroneous talks about illiteracy in the Niger Delta really needs to re-directed to some other places.

Well, if you ask me, I believe we are at par with other ''exposed'' and ''educated'' tribes in this country - big three. We have the means and resources to take our destiny into our hands without begging for help elsewhere.

So, there's nothing like a one eyed king anywhere in the Delta as regards education. All of us have two eyes and can see clearly. Egbogah is just one out of several in his field.

It only makes sense to me that the project should be sited where costs can be controlled.

And that surely is in the Niger Delta.

Well you have not mentioned the costs to the niger delta itself not only in material but 'psyche' terms

The Brass project apparently has taken ten years pre -dating the present project and the current unrests.

If I were a Niger deltan I would be really ticked off at the state of affairs.

And frankly, it is their land, and their oil, and considering how they have been cheated, their response, whether through legal means or otherwise is entirely their prerogative.

@doyin13

I am from the Niger-Delta, but I choose to be a rational human being. Given our track record since the late 1990s, I wouldn't situate any new multi-billion dollar facility there.

All these your rantings will not stop my boys from blowing up any pipeline carrying gas from our lands to an enclave called Olokola. I will personally spearhead the mission to blow up that pipe. As a matter of fact, and in order to make a huge devastation to that project, we will wait until the first volume of gas is piped to that place. Then we will strike.

No one is challenging the fact that a lot (that means not all sha) your people are enlightened or that you're doing well out there. But do you think I give a phuck about that?

What could be more painful than watching your resources used up to better the lot of other people in other areas while you're alive. Dammed silly asses parade themselves saying they are in a democracy. They reason like idiots siting a huge plant in a remote location different to where the resources that would feed the plant and they come here preaching some useless kinds of education about their people. Dammed illiterates.

Denex, you're not from the Niger Delta.

@ono

na you dey share region give people? I say I'm from the Niger-Delta.

Must I condemn the government's initiative not to bring in more facilities for terrorists to destroy before I can be a Niger-Deltan?

What as nice idea. Yes ono go and blow up the gas pipeline when it is at maximum capacity filled with gas it'd be fun to watch on NTA.

And record breaking too. I expect two million charred bodies because gas explosions follow to the very source: the communities from which they are extracted. I'm loving this and eagerly dying in anticipation.

Some people see tribe in everything while some see oil in everything. Two sides of a rusty coin.

Viga,
Don't be scared. I will do no such thing my friend. I'm for the good of all. But I will like to see the FG moving swiftly to complete the Brass project before that of Olokola. Until then, even if I do not blow up the pipes, I'm sure disgruntle elements in my place will do the dirty job.