Olokola LNG And The Niger Delta Question

The last time I checked, oil is a non-renewable resource. So, the oil finishes some time; and then, what next?

Ono

You are fundamentally mistaken in your view of how OKLNG is conceptualized. I'll tell you briefly. The gas you are talking about will come from Chevron fields in Ondo State(North Swamp) and offshore (it is up to interpretation whether it is federal or belongs to a state) and some other Shell fields (I don't know where) so I don't see what your problem is? Are you saying Ondo state has no right to have anything sited in their land?

Ol boy, just cool temper small OK!

@ono

I am not from the Ni9ger Delta, in fact I am from Ogun state.

But I have always argued that the present arrangement of distributinh resources is very counterproductive, and ultimately detrimental to the whole country. That the Niger Delta itself gets the raw end of the stick only exacerbates the 'anomaly'.

Once we get rid of this distribution arrangement, then such decisions as siting a pipeline miles from its source when it could be sited closer to home would be resolved(if the gas will be from the niger delta). Or other anomalies such as the existence of non fuctional states that otherwise wouldn't survive but for the freefall from the delta(the Gombe's, Taraba. Osun, Ekiti's etc.)

Personally I can understand your anger. I can only imagine how ashamed I would be if my property was being stolen in stark daylight as it is done now.

Naturally! The Nigerian way. Your "sources" must be stronger Than the sources of those Newspapers seeing as you already know before they do. I commend you and your "sources" for your kung fu is strong.

*ROLLEYES*

@Mariory,
I remember we both agreed some time ago not to ''rub shoulders'' again on any issue on NL. I will appreciate you simply don't reply to any of my entries on this forum. Be warned.

Denex,
You be small pickin. You no go understand.

@ono

wow! I always knew there was something mysterious about this Niger-Delta thing.

Hmmm. No wonder no body can understand it.

Meanwhile, there is no pertinent Niger-Delta question. There was a Jewish question, there was a Biafran question. But if there's a Niger-Delta question, let me know it because the only question that always comes to the mind of Nigerians whenever we Niger-Deltans start misbehaving is:

HOW MUCH DO THEY WANT AGAIN?!

@doyin13

is that the Niger-Delta question?

"HOW ABOUT ALL THE OIL?"

Oya, Denex, answer doyin13.

We in the Delta will gladly receive all of our oil and gas resources - if you're willing to let go of it, so that peace might reign in Nigeria!

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Ono has come again with his arguments against Olokola - is it the only LNG plant under construction?

Brass LNG located in the heart of the delta is also being started, so what is the beef with this 'resources being piped out to an 'enclave'  between Ogun and Ondo'?

NLNG is in the delta, Brass LNG will be in the delta as well, just today NNPC has announced that they are going to build 2 greenfield refineries in the delta as well - one in Okrika and the other elsewhere, not to mention the Escravos Gas to Liquids project also cited in the delta.

Must each and every project be sited in the areas immediately in the delta? Ondo state itself is Oil Producing, and that is not in contention, LNG plants in general are built in locations suitable for ease of export of the product, as well as suitable construction ground for the plant, If Olokola meets these requirements, I do not see what the fuss is all about by Ono

he wants to see the project as something ethnically motivated and being 'taken away' from the ND, which is patently false.

while you are blowing up pipelines, blow up the ones to NLNG, Brass NLNG and EGTL too will you?

its stupid people like these that continue to cause problems for the delta people - they stupidly bombed the Chanomi crude pipeline supplying crude to the Warri Refinery, now adulterated Kerosine is killing people there due to no local production. Bravo ono, at this rate, you will exterminate yourselves without any external assistance

@debosky,
I did not read all these in details before. Let me reply you.

1.0 Olokola is an enclave. I know the FG will spend huge billions (if they're not doing that already) to try and bring the area up to the standard needed for an export port. That place does not meet minimum requirement for an export port.

2.0 The headquarters of NLNG, Bonny is in Lagos. Operational base in Bonny. But this OKLNG's headquarters will be in the state where the plant is located. Just like OBJ said, during the commissioning of the Papalanto plant, that the plant will feed immediate surrounding first, before any leftover will be channelled to the National Grid at Oshogbo. As we speak, the people of Afam in Rivers state are not connected directly to the mega power plant built in that area. That might explain why not so many industries site their plants there, and also why the place is still a village with sparsely populated areas.

So, when a project is sited in the Niger delta, it's a national project. And everyone is invited to ''come and chop''. But when it's somewhere else, the indigenes of the area benefit the most. We are not deceived. We know better.

3.0 Are you now going to claim the OKLNG is not an ethnically motivated project? I should remind you that the plant was originally planned to be sited at Escravos, until your brother decided to move it to his state.

4.0 If you give any technically feasible argument to prove that the OKLNG is not a politically and ethnically motivated project, I might reason with you sensibly.

Ono.

Your desire to see Oil get in the hands of WHO? is not clear. Who would have what, The state Governments ? the people in the area where the oil is found.

I have a friend here in Ghana called Ejiro he told me that he does not get anything for the Oil because on their land they don't have any oil so it is only those that have oil in their area Enjoy monies paid out. Was my friend Lying? What is he doing in Ghana then? (He is not in the best of condition but I help as God allows me)

You are using a grenade to kill an insect when you go all about this and that.

You cannot win the war of what ever control you are looking for by sectionalizing your cause. You can not win by thuggery too. Even when you win you will have to deal with the violence that won your cause if you can ever win by force.

THE FACT IS THAT IT IS NOT ALL THE WHOLE AREA WE HAVE THE OIL HENCE THE DISAFFECTION AND THUGGERY.

I ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION WHY WAS JONATHAN ATTACKED BY THE SAME PEOPLE HE WANTED TO REPRESENT?

DISAFFECTION AND THUGGERY.

IMAGINE THE SOLUTION BY THE NIGER DELTA ELDERS WAS TO PAY MONIES DIRECTLY TO THE MILITANTS.

The only way you can win is by fight for stakes in the oil stakes and management( You should fight to have a PETROLEUM UNIVERSITY and the like)

You should know there people in the Niger delta that don't give a monkey wether you die in "Niger delta" or not this guys you may say that they are not Niger deltans but the fact is that they want you to keep fighting so that UNITS ( Families and wipeout) so that they can posses the lands of family individuals.

Unless you are telling that only Ijaw Itsekiris Urhobos and etc are the only ethnic grouping are situated in The "ND". THE PRAYER OF SOME PEOPLE IS THAT WE HAVE A HEAVY HANDED LEADER OF NIGERIA SO THAT THE ARMY WILL BE ATTACKED SO THAT THE MEDIA WILL BE USED TO JUSTIFY AN IMPENDING ATTACK.

MY BROTHER THE NIGERIAN ARMY IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD THOSE GUYS THAT YOUR PEOPLE ARE KILLING ARE NOT IN FULL COMBAT MINDSET AND IF THEY WERE I KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO BECAUSE I HAVE INFORMATION ON THE TYPES OF WEAPONS THE MILITARY HAVE.

MY FATHER HAPPENED TO BE IN PURCHASE AND SUPPLY IN THE MILITARY AND SOME OF THE WEAPONS I SEE THE MILITANTS BRANDISHING ARE "XMAS KNOCKOUT" COMPARED TO  WHAT THE MILITARY HAVE IN THEIR WAR ARSENAL.

THE WAR IS BUSINESS YOU HAVE FIND AND GET YOURSELF INTO BUSINESS  BLOCKS.


LIKE THE REFINERY WHY WAS IT THAT THERE WAS NO ONE FROM THE NIGER DELTA THAT OFFERED TO PAY ANY MONEY TO BUY IT?

BUT THEY CAN THREATEN TO BLOW IT UP. I WONDER IF THEY FOUND OIL IN MAIDUGURI LIKE THEY HAVE FOUND IN CHAD IN COMMERCIAL QUANTITIES WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO YOU ARGUEMENT?

I AM NOT SAYING YOU don't HAVE A POINT BUT YOU BASK YOURSELF IN THIS SELF PITY THAT IS NOT SOLVING NOTHING. CLEAN YOUR TEAR EYES MY BROTHER AND STATE DOING BUSINESS. FOUND A URHOBO OIL COOPERATION WHERE EVERY URHOBO (ETHNIC GROUPING) HAS A SHARE THOSE THAT ARE BORN OR UNBORN.

YOU MUST ORGANISE YOURSELF NO ONE WILL.

DOYIN13

MY STATE HAS GOLD THOUGH I HAVE NOT BEEN THERE UP TO 7 TIMES IN LIFE TIME MY STATE WILL GROW WE DON'T NEED OIL MONEY MY STATE HAVE NEIGHBOR THAT HAVE OIL.

 

The question is not how the resources be distributed between the various subcommunities of the Niger Delta.

I am pretty certain that conflict will arise between these communities should the OWNERSHIP of these oil properties be handed back to the communities.

But tell me how the possibility of conflict justifies these areas getting only a minority stake in the proceeds of the oil.

It is quite condescending to these communities for the rest of us to feel that we can act as some sort of trustee to these oil because apparently they cannot do it themselves.

ARE THEY KIDS ?

@ono

so you finally agree that we in the Niger-Delta are kids who need to invite the adults from the West, North and East to come and administer our resources.

Now we're getting somewhere.

@denex

That is totally contrary to what I wrote.

It is precisely because they are perfectly sane adults in the delta that we(the rest) should in our ''considerate mercies'' entrust the owner of the property with what is theirs.

Doyin13,

For your info, I am also from ''Niger Delta''. My community in Abia state is oil-producing. So, if I see things differently why can't other NDs?

1. I don't know what you mean by this constant referral to an 'enclave', any location to host an LNG plant will have to undergo massive infrastructural development to accomodate the plant, be it in the Delta or elsewhere. Olokola is a bit farther from the 'core' ND shoreline, making it less susceptible to the malaise of ocean pirates and rebels in the creeks - more succinctly, it  is a safer location for both the plant workers and the ships to carry the gas. In addition, there is an existing Jetty in the location that is being upgraded to accomodate larger vessels and support the increased traffic. moreso, the location- that is Olokola created an environment suitable for such an investment by creating a free trade zone and beginning to provide supportive and conducive environment for the project

2. The power plant comment has been answered many times over, but let me repeat for emphasis - the 9 NIPP power plants being built in the Delta will supply power to the villages and settlements in the immediate 5km radius before serving power to the grid, this is the new paradigm for all new power stations including the Papalanto one, so to try to paint a picture of a dichotomy between an ND project and one elsewhere is inaccurate. Furthermore - NLNG has a scholarship program EXCLUSIVE to Rivers state/gas gathering communities, no others benefit, so it is not always a 'come and chop' scenario as you painted, local indigenes are always given preference in such cases, another example is the reserved quota for Rivers state indigenes in the recent LNG recruitment drive

3. Can you show one shred of evidence supporting this claim that it was supposed to be sited in Escravos? Even if it was, given the political and other disturbances that are going on in the delta, the 'Niger Delta Premium' being factored now into the construction and other costs due to kidnappings and work closures by community protests  may have led a more neutral location being a more cost effective option. again I point to the Free Trade Zone and other local incentives given to make Olokola a more attractive choice. and as I mentioned earlier, why do you think that this LNG plant would be the magic wand to 'soothe the pains' or 'create the needed employment' in the Delta? There is the EGTL construction going on in Escravos at the moment, not to mention the EGP that has been completed and the export terminal, is that not enough in a single location? and wouldn't it make more sense to locate an new asset away from the current problems in the Delta?

4. The points above that I have given should suffice in that regard, Olokola is suitable due to economic factors surrounding the Free Trade Zone, the existing Jetty and the willingness of the state governments to assist the project take off smoothly with few interruptions from the community. In addition, Oil and Gas Royalties are not paid based on the point of export, but rather on the source of extraction, if not only Escravos, Brass, Bonny and QIT would receive any money for crude oil production, since they are the only export terminals. One more point, there is no crude oil production at all on Bonny Island, it was chosen as a good location for export of products, that was the final determinant. Olokola's proximity to Chevron's large Agbami offshore field and subsequent deep offshore discoveries also increase its appeal as a good technical location for the project.