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Planner (m)
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I am also from the Niger-delta. My state has some deposits of oils and an abundance of natural gas- Anambra state.
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The One (m)
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Ono
stop peddling falsehood in order to buttress your points. OKLNG was never supposed to be sited in Escravos. I know that, because I did some of the background work for the project.
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denex
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@ono
dem never give us the resources, you don begin fight over who be real Niger-Delta and who no be.
You don begin discriminate on who be "yardstick" and who no be.
Are you sure when we get full control of these resource, 2 million people no go die unto determining who is Niger-Delta and who is not?
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laudate
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My goodness!! I have never seen such a brilliant reply. No. Not in Nairaland. May God in his infinite mercies bless you with the blessings from above. Blessings that transcends proceeds from oil sales - peace of mind, success, good health and a sound mind.
Hehehe. . . .and may god bless me too! Can I get an Amen from somebody, pls??  @denex
That is totally contrary to what I wrote.
It is precisely because they are perfectly sane adults in the delta that we(the rest) should in our ''considerate mercies'' entrust the owner of the property with what is theirs.
In fact, may God continue blessing you one million times raised to power twenty, for that statement!!  The touch of irony was. . . . .a masterstroke!
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denex
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@ ono
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the Niger-Delta question is O! Please hurry!
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Xris74
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@ ono
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the Niger-Delta question is O! Please hurry!
You will certainly wait forever, mate. There is no genuine Niger Delta question. Everything is one big, fat ruse
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Xris74
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Note that I am also from Niger Delta, Abia.
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denex
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So I guess the only Niger-Delta question for now remains:
"O God! What do they want again?"
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doyin13 (m)
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I don't know why you guys are trying to relgate a complex issue down to a simple question.
Ther are varying underlying issues that constitute the Niger Delta question, of which the most crucial one at the moment is the distribution of resources that originate from the delta.
I am sure there are other issues(I know Denex you are particularly concerned about the ensuing property grabs and conflicts if the resources are handed back to the delta) that will need addressing come when hopefully ''resource control'' is given to the producing areas.
Be that as it may, it serves as no excuse for the lopsided(to put it mildly) distribution of income from the resources.
I would suggest a timetable, off the top of my head of four years or so for the gradual retrenchment of the current arrangement. This I think will allow all parties to become accustomed to new state of affairs and also give time for the ''sub'' issues to be resolved.
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debosky (m)
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13% comes to the delta, in addition to 9/36 ( assuming equal distribution by state) of the remaining 87% results in another 22%
so in total they receive 35% of the resources - whether that is lopsided is up for debate
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Xris74
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Doyin 13, Do not cry more than the bereaved. Ogun does not produce Ekpo oko (motor).  lol
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denex
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The only thing I can suggest is that the Federal government should SELL shares of the NNPC to indigenes of the Niger-Delta areas producing Crude Oil as transparently as possible. Then allocate also to those whose land and property is directly forfeited for the exploration of Crude Oil.
Those that cannot afford to buy, or have not directly given up anything for the exploration of Crude Oil in the Niger-Delta, sorry for them.
@doyin13
your medium term plan is ideal as this will enable other areas develope and take charge of their own resources too.
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doyin13 (m)
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@Xris The funny thing is my reasons for advocating a change are not altruistic. I know you have been saying that we should ignore the oil, but how can we when the incentive is to continue getting a freebie. It simply makes economic sense that the Niger Delta should be the base at which oil related development is situated, not in Kaduna or any non oil related area (it seems the Olokola situation is unclear) I don't want to get too technical, but if anyone has read Freiderich Hayek, you will know that government is a poor distributor of resources. They simply do not have enough knowledge to know the places where resources be best allocated, and this is even more pertinent in Naija case where resources are limited. And if you know Public choice theory you will understand that politicians will make stupid decisions motivated in Naija case by ethnic sentiments. (I just hope there is no resident economist to embarrass me). If resources are given to the Niger Delta obviously it becomes a battle at state government level, but this is an imminently more manageable problem than a Federal imbalance. It is a rather crude example but take the case of the Uk where if it should occur, any oil related problems will ultimately be localised to the Scots area and have a minimal impact on an economy which is not so lopsided. That is why in England we are not too concerned about Scots and their recent overtures towards independence. So Xris resolving the Niger Delta distribution question will help all communities in their quest for development and stop all that talk about oil you will like to see dispelled. And who say Ogun no dey produce oil. They never make the oil rig wey go reach am na why. 
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denex
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State and Local Government control go worst O!
The best thing na to run am as private company O! Distribute and sell the shares to Niger-Deltans. If they like, they should go and sell their shares back to Dangote. Na them sabi.
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voices
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denex
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Antiscam my arse! You are totally proscam and there's nothing you can do to scam people on Nairaland.
Gerrout!!
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ono (m)
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@ Denex and Xris74, I believe doyin13 has answered your question - in a way I think I won't have been able to.
doyin 13, Hmm, so you read that interesting book: Ogboju Ode Ninu Igbo Irunmale. No wonder. Awon ti won k' awe re, awon t'opolo won pe.
Did you read Igbo Olodumare too?
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Xris74
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Ono, Can someone from an oil-producing community in Abia state be said to belong to the Niger Delta too? I ask just to be sure I am making an ono-compliant claim that I am also a Niger Deltan. 
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ono (m)
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Xris74,Let me ask you a counter question: Saudi Arabia is an oil producing country. Saudi Arabia is believed to host some of the largest crude oil reserves in the world. The country is the largest exporter of crude in the world. Will it be right to say that since the Nile delta is closeby to the country, Saudi Arabia is a part of the Nile Delta?. You need to know the word ''Delta'' to fully appreciate which area could be classed as a deltaic region or not. Let me help you with a link from Wikipedia. These days children don't browse sites where they can learn and apply knowledge. Everything must be spoon fed to them. They prefer chatting online and wasting precious time on useless sites that will do them no good. Did you do Geography in your secondary school days at all? The links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_delta; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_Delta You will see from up there that the areas which make up a deltaic region are those that lie close to where the mouth of a river flows into an ocean, sea, desert, estuary or lake. You will aslo see from the second link that the Niger Delta historically and carthographically consist of present day Bayelsa, Delta and Rivers States. It was only in year 2000 that OBJ decided to expand it's definition to include Abia State, Akwa Ibom State, Cross River State, Edo State, Imo State and Ondo State. That should answer your question.
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Xris74
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Thanks Ono.
Do you equate Niger Delta with Coastal states or oil-producing states? My question was more from a political perspective than from Geography. In that case, based on Obasanjo's clasification (politics), Abia is a ND state. Now, geographically speaking, where does the delta of River Niger start from? Are you familiar with Oguta and the Orashi River (I am but want to hear from you)? If so, is the Orashi river extending from Oguta (Imo) to the Orashi region (Ogba-Egbeme, Ndoni) of Rivers state an off-shoot (delta) of the river Niger?
By virtue of location to the Niger Delta (please look in a map of Nigeria), between Imo and Abia on one hand, and Ondo, Edo, Cross River and Akwa Ibom on the other, which does the name Niger Delta state befit more?
Granted that some states (Ondo, Edo, Akwa Ibom, Cross River and probably Abia) may not be in the ND, geographically speaking, IMO state is, based on the deltaic description of River Orashi.
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denex
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I didn't know all this. So during the time of Bendel state, some part was in the Niger-Delta, some part was not.
I beg to know whether the Imo River and the Benin River are part of what makes up the Niger-Delta.
Until you stop thinking of the Niger-Delta as a tribe with oil deposits, you will continue to have a problem. Employ the maps and geographical details you're administering for us to yourself.
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Xris74
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Denex,
I see you do not pay attention to my posts with respect to oil. FYI, I do not believe in Nigerian oil. I have not benefitted from it, despite coming from a place that produces oil. I do not care about it. What I do here (this thread) is to merely carry out an academic exercise with no practical implications for me. In case you do not know, Imo River has nothing to do with the present Imo state. Imo River is in Abia state. This is different from Urashi river. Now look in the map and tell me if the current Edo state (not old Bendel), for instance, is more qualfied to be classified as ND than Imo state
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Xris74
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So Edo state (number 6 in the above map) is also landlocked? I never knew this. State creation has made and marred many things. What an upset.
No mind me jare. I talk as if being landlocked is a ticket to poverty and merely been coastal a ticket to bliss.
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denex
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@ono
Will you say because Egypt on the other hand doesn't have extremely large deposits of Crude Oil, the Nile Delta is not located in it?
Or because there are no Ijaw people there then it is not a true Delta.
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Xris74
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Imo and Abia the poorest state (sic) in nigeria.Abia and Imo is not part of niger delta.NIGER DELTA IS SOUTH-SOUTH.
Buhahah. Ignorance is a big disease. Go check out Central Bank of Nigeria's data for poverty levels in Nigeria in 2006. You will receive the shock of your life. When will this idiot write correctly. Common application of is and are in sentences are beyond him. What an excellent representative of the Ijaw tribe.
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doyin13 (m)
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I have been wondering about these power generation problems we keep having.
I know Coal is dirty and all, but China is building a new coal power plant a week.
Why can't we utilise the coal deposits around Enugu and those areas?
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debosky (m)
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the coal deposits are very small compared to the gas resources, and generally the plants are more expensive to build with more pollution prevention equipment needed, and materials handling and so on, gas burns cleaner and is easier to set up. I guess the S/E states should for their own good come together and invest in a 1,000MW coal power plant to supply their own energy needs, the power industry is now deregulated so they shouldn't be waiting for the FG to do that for them.
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doyin13 (m)
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Apart from these eastern states are they any other sizeable deposits elsewhere
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denex
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1ton of coal = $80
Nigeria has 700 million tonnes of proven coal deposits and about 3 billion metric tonnes of reserves.
$240 billion in total. The UK has more than one 2,000 MW power plant. The USA has several. In this month alone 3 people have been killed and 6 other people buried alive in coal mines in the USA. If coal wasn't valuable, why were they risking their lives there. Liquified coal is the new form being used by ultramodern plants. Enugu has the highest deposits but there are about 6 other states.
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doyin13 (m)
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700 million tonnes!!!!
Just sitting there abi.
I was just abt to say as well.
Why all the new focus on coal if there wasn't something to it.
I was reading something about some legislative brouhaha over plans to build new super coal plants in the US. Indicates there must be something to coal that they know and apparently we don't.
Anybody up for an investment opportunity?
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Xris74
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Plans are afoot regarding cool exploitation. Pretty soon Mohadana/Dimka will see that Igbos have natural resources beyond oil.
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debosky (m)
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coal is the cheapest fossil fuel around and will be here long after crude oil and natural gas are gone, the S/E States and Kogi will do well to start to free themselves from the burdens of gas fired power stations linked to the 'Niger Delta' (either political, geographical or otherwise) oil and gas supply issues.
Coal is plentiful and abundant almost everywhere, the greatest energy consumers - China and the US have enough for over a 100 years, and their reserves dwarf ours massively, meaning ultimately, we need to utilise it for energy production locally, but my fear is this - will we install appropriate pollution mitigating devices at the plants or end up having the serious air quality degradation China is suffering from now because of coal power plants?
the US brouhaha about coal is because it is dirty and highly polluting, and the environmental lobby is very strong. On the other hand, it is cheaper than even wood and the US has reserves for like 250 years of consumption, they feel it is the key to reducing foreign oil consumption.
Investment opportunity? A Coal plant will be a lot more complicated than a gas turbine - sulphur clean up alone is very demanding, there must be concerted effort on the part of the S/E states to utilise this resource in my opinion, teaming up with the South Africans who have some of the best coal technology in the world (due to the apartheid era embargo on oil imports) will be the best option.
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