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Nutter (m)
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Chxta, You have to stop trying to defend the indefensible. What you wrote is indefensible. You cannot now wriggle out of your statement which was clearly directed at the entire South-South region. My dear Nutter, that you didn't take the time to read what I wrote disappoints me. Where did I say that they have no right to speak? Oh, I read the article on your blog alright. Where did you get the impression that I didn’t? It wasn’t a pleasant read but I persevered. I wouldn’t have attacked what you wrote otherwise. That is not my style. You should know that by now – given our ‘history’. Asking someone to shut up, and taking away his right to speak are they the same? Your directive that the South-South should shut up was a naked attempt to withdraw their right to speech. It is that simple. Your words do not exist in a vacuum, Chxta. Do not get bogged down by semantics. It’s six of one and half a dozen of the other. If you insist there is a difference within this context, go on then, tell me what it is. All you had to do was listen to Asari Dokubo when he was still breathing unadulterated air to realise that the man was nothing more than a charlatan. Another criminal that just wanted money. And that is the reason that his movement has collapsed now that he is in the clanger. Ditto Ralph Uwazurike, and even the late Ken Saro-Wiwa. People who have something to offer leave structures in place so that even when they are gone, the movement goes on. Mandela was put in the cooler for 27 years. Did the ANC die? It is at times like this that I wonder if we are observing the same occurrences in the same country. Uwazurike and Dokubo have been in jail for about a year now. Are their movements dead? Isn’t it partly because of Dokubo’s movement that you have written the piece you have - one year on!? Have you not also gone from thread to thread criticising MASSOB? Would these movements have received as much attention from you as they have if they were dead? Are they dead? What are you on about, mate? Why is it that when Alams came back from his tour of Europe (including that infamous tummy tuck operation), it is the same people who were robbed by him that came out to welcome him? So, because Alams was received by supporters on his return to Bayelsa that means the whole South-South should bear the brunt of your misdirected vituperation? Kalu enjoys some support in Abia despite his atrocities; should the South-East shut up? Uba, a confirmed thug, enjoys some support in Anambra; again, should the South-East shut up as a result? Goons like IBB enjoy a lot of support across the nation for their Presidential ambitions. Should all of nigeria shut up then? If no, why does the logic of your argument not transfer? If yes, that includes you. Some people talk about oil derivation and how the money should be given to the people. Hello, they have been getting a lot more of the Federal Government goodies for a long time now than any other state, and what have they done with it? Are these ‘goodies’ commensurate to the contribution made by these areas? Have you factored in that a portion of these ‘goodies’ would have to be diverted towards attempts to save rivers and land contaminated by oil spillage? I don’t see Shell doing much in that regard. Do you? Would the atrocities committed by Shell in the region be tolerated in developed countries? How does Shell get away with this? With Federal Government or South-South support? Now let us look at the issue of the presidency. All of them are falling over themselves now that they want to run for president. That the South-South has never produced president. Shut up! Thieves! Rogues! Infidels! (Okay, sorry I couldn't resist the last one  ) I think Kure was dead right when he said the South-South doesn't deserve to produce the president since they all supported the third term bid. How can you tell me that you have the conviction to truly govern this country when you were in support of that third term thing? This is as ludicrous as saying the Igbo should shut up because Irukwu claimed 50 million Igbo were in support of the third term ambition of King Kong. You cannot condemn the wayward nature of some South-South leaders and then turn around to attack the very people they have distanced themselves from. It doesn’t make any sense. Once again, I didn't withdraw anyone's right to speak. Won't it be better if all those who want to stiffle me read what I wrote and attack the content of my ideas? Part of our collective problem is that we fail to seperate issues from personalities. I daresay were it my dear nwanne Nutter that wrote the same piece, Ono and Owo would have accepted it whole heartedly. But this time it was Chxta. . . You do two things with your one statement. First, you 'acknowledge' powers that I do not possess. If some people agree with the things I say, it is because I take time to consider these issues before I speak. When I do, I present facts to back-up my assertions. If I had written a similar piece, I’d have started by choosing a proper title. At the very least, I’d drop ‘The’ from yours, and include the words ‘Some’ and ‘Leaders’. Second, you do these fellows a great disservice. I strongly believe you owe them an apology. You think they would put aside the pride they feel for their nation state and the pain at their people’s anguish to go along with any rubbish written by an internet handle? You are the one who cannot separate issues from personalities. They disagree with what you said because it is, pardon the expression, absolute bollocks; and not because it came from you. Face up to that. I'd like to see you come up with a better proposition that the one I have. By the way, in my blogpost I condemned both Atiku and IBB, whilst recommending a Southerner for the post. But then again, people see only what they want to see. . . Oh, I saw that. I also saw that you said there are only rumours against Marwa’s thievery (his airline on a soldier’s pay notwithstanding). That aside, you speak of your support for a Southern President and in the same article state that power should return to your beloved North. Your thoughts on this matter are convoluted. Consequently, your article is all over the place!
Was in the Isle of Man, back in London now. Perhaps we would meet on the tube someday? You can't miss me. I always have a Naija map and flag as my badge. Good. The flag can be fashioned into a useful weapon. I’m thinking throttling.
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Chxta (m)
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Oh, I saw that. I also saw that you said there are only rumours against Marwa’s thievery (his airline on a soldier’s pay notwithstanding). That aside, you speak of your support for a Southern President and in the same article state that power should return to your beloved North. Your thoughts on this matter are convoluted. Consequently, your article is all over the place!
Beloved North? Wow. Talk about some imagination. Anyways, the story I have about Marwa isn't about thievery. . . TTYL.
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Nutter (m)
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Anyways, the story I have about Marwa isn't about thievery. . . Your exact statement was: Atiku is a thief (how did a customs official make so much money), Babangida is an ex-dictator who institutionalised corruption, Odili is another thief, ditto Attah, I don't even want to enter Uzor Kalu. Marwa, well, I don't yet have enough dirt on him save a few rumors which I wouldn't talk about until I can substantiate them,
See? I read the article. Therefore, with his ownership of an airline, is Marwa a thief or not? This is not about 'stories'. We should be stating facts. Beloved North? Wow. Talk about some imagination. Your love for the North (despite prevalent barbarity) is well documented. Do you want me to post some of your quotes? I could, you know? Just say the word. TTYL.
Yeah, you do that.
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Chxta (m)
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Good, so why don't you nwe ndidiYour exact statement was:
Atiku is a thief (how did a customs official make so much money), Babangida is an ex-dictator who institutionalised corruption, Odili is another thief, ditto Attah, I don't even want to enter Uzor Kalu. Marwa, well, I don't yet have enough dirt on him save a few rumors which I wouldn't talk about until I can substantiate them,
See? I read the article. Therefore, with his ownership of an airline, is Marwa a thief or not? This is not about 'stories'. We should be stating facts. Good. The ownership of the airline is a well known fact, and of course marks him out as a crook. But like I said, what I heard about him (from an army officer) is more damaging than thievery and is something that I wouldn't publish until I can substantiate, as I said earlier. . . Your love for the North (despite prevalent barbarity) is well documented. Do you want me to post some of your quotes? I could, you know? Just say the word.
You have my blessing. Then I can show you just one statement I made that would prove that I love the South as well. Get one thing straight: I love the whole of Nigeria, irrespective of where that may be. Chxta,
You have to stop trying to defend the indefensible. What you wrote is indefensible. You cannot now wriggle out of your statement which was clearly directed at the entire South-South region. You haven't exactly proven to me that what I said is indefensible. Who are the visible faces of the South-South region if not their so called leaders? The Dokubos, Alams (whom some still clamour to be released), Okumagbas, Clarks, Odilis et al?
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Sijien (m)
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chxta & nutter r fighting again. like typical igbomen! owo i'm not biting d hand that feeds me. shell has paid out billions of naira to d oil producing communitys. but u people never talk about it. just as u people never talk about what happened to d money. criminals.
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Chxta (m)
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I will refrain from attacking you on this one Sijien because I have made the same statements before. Just that it was painful for me seeing them coming from a non-Igbo. . .
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owo (m)
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@Sijien: You are free to call us criminals. Certainly, you would not say so if we met face to face for fear of loosing your job. It is not surprising that you joined SPDC "yesterday" - in the days of SITP when the cases of ethnic manipulation of test results list and scores have been at their highest .
Those who do not know the real criminals are willingly ignorant and living in an ostrich led world of "fantasy".
Its your time to insult us, please go ahead and do it well because the table will turn (sooner than you think, for sure).
@Chxta: I suggest you do the honorable thing - withdraw your article from the public forum. Your blog remains yours and you can say what you wish there.
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Chxta (m)
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Honourable? You have no idea what the word means.
My signature says it all. It would be a great dishonour to me and mine should I back down from the truth as I see it.
One more thing: he may be an abrasive fellow (he hasn't made too many posts so it is easy to tell), but Sijien has said what a good number (if not a majority) of those working in the oil sector think.
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Nutter (m)
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@Chxta, You are ducking and diving. If you want to engage, then engage. Don’t just say your theories have not been disproved and think all will be well with the world. I poked holes at your article. READ my reply. You have not challenged the things I said save my accusation that you have a deep love for the North and the Marwa issue. 1) My strong belief in your bias for all things Northern is informed by your statement to Afeni as presented below: I take it from that statement that you've never stayed among the Hausa before. I have, so let's maintain our respective (prejudices). You thinking that they [Northerners] are blood thirsty monsters looking for the next person to behead, and me saying that they are probably the warmest, most open and receptive people in Nigeria. http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-15303.128.html#botTo which I replied: Hmmm. Pretty strong words to use in defence of a people who have routinely massacred Southern visitors in their midst since the 1940s.http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-15303.160.html2) Please, read the paragraph (your paragraph) where Marwa’s name was injected. It was about thievery in government. If you don’t agree, then, like I said, your article is all over the place. I repeat: if you want to engage, then engage. I would like you to pick at the points I raised. Else, retract your affirmations so night can be shed on this sordid affair.
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Sijien (m)
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@ owo sitp is a purely merit based test. it is people like u that failed it that r now campaining for ethnic quotas. is kidnapping and demanding a ransome not a crime anywhere in d world?
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ono (m)
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Nna Chxta, You will agree with me that my brother Nutter has dealth you an upper cut on this one - as usual! I'll advise you to stand down now and eat your words!
Sijien, I believe you'll have a rethink on your last post when you know the personality you're dealing with in here.
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Sijien (m)
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am starting 2 hate that i am always in agreement with chxta on niger delta issues. but he is right when he said this is not about personality. that is what all of u r turning it into. it is like atiku instead of defending himself about what obj said he did, is attacking obj's personality. not one of u who r arguing has proved chxta wrong based on what i see everyday here. it is about what is on d ground. y havent u challengeddis storyin today's vanguard that shows ur beloved militants for what dey really r? thieves as chxta rightly pointed out? http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/2002/cover/september06/10092006/f210092006.htmlSTATE Security Service (SSS) operatives in Delta State are now on the trail of a Warri-based female socialite said to be a sponsor of militants operating in the Niger-Delta region just as about 300 militants have either fled the region or gone into hiding since the SSS and the Joint Military Task Force (JMTF) in the Niger-Delta commenced separate but synchronized manhunt for them about a fortnight ago. Sunday Vanguard reliably gathered that the female financier, said to be a younger sister of a commissioner in one of the South-South states and woman friend to one of arrowheads of the Niger-Delta struggle, escaped from her Warri abode, last week. Investigations by Sunday Vanguard showed that the widespread search for militants and audacious incursions into the once deified hideouts of the various gangs that specialized in the kidnapping of foreign oil workers for ransom in Rivers, Bayelsa and Delta states by security operatives made the woman to flee. She was said to have recently given out N1 million to some militants for an undisclosed project before security operatives got to her deserted residence. Last Wednesday in Warri, men of the SSS also ransacked the house of an Ijaw leader suspected to be involved in oil bunkering. A security source, who disclosed this to Sunday Vanguard, asserted that “because the SSS has a list containing the names and addresses of the militants, the boys felt the game was up and took to their heels when they saw the dexterous manner the leader and some members of one of the feared kidnap gangs, including a government official that facilitated payment of ransom to militants, were picked up after they were lured to Asaba”. Investigations by Sunday Vanguard showed that the region witnessed a respite in the last two weeks with no reported case of kidnap unlike the preceding two weeks during which an average of one person was kidnapped every two days. Flight to London Sunday Vanguard learnt that one of the kingpins who made good money from the business fled to London when the heat from the security agents on his trail became too hot. He was shocked by the dossier on him and in, collaboration with his partners-in-crime, a decision was taken for him to escape because so many things would happen if he was caught and forced to spill the beans. Many others were said to have traveled. It is believed that their plan was to see how the security agents would sustain the present crackdown on militants. But security sources said the plan was not to give them a breathing space but flush out kidnappers, particularly moneymaking hostage takers’ from the region. Some of them fled leaving their vehicles and girlfriends and just a week or more outside their traditional home ground, a number of them were said to be feeling like fishes out of water in their new abodes. Case files opened on government accomplices Sunday Vanguard gathered that case files had been opened on the alleged role of some elected and appointed government officials in the kidnap business in the region. Security agents decided to investigate them following what a source described as revelations by some of the kidnappers already in custody on how they abetted and aided the business. It is a poignant blow to most of them who were feeding fat on the pay-offs from some of the state governments but they were also understood to be doing everything possible to cover their tracks, including lobbying and pressing button to stop their being invited for questioning in connection with kidnap. Our source, a top security officer in the region, said: “If these politicians and government officials make the mistake of getting involved in any kidnap case again, we will pick them up and tell them that we have dossier on all they have been doing since. It is because they get involved in the past by collecting money from governors for these boys that the criminal act became a lucrative business for them”. The intelligence reports on the affected persons have reportedly been forwarded to Abuja and the directive is that all the suspected accomplices be put on surveillance. How the kidnap “industry” was paralyzed “For those who don’t know, even if they are wont to deny it, this kidnap thing is masterminded mainly by some Ijaw youths and the network of their communities along the coast of the states in the Niger-Delta is wonderful but Delta State is no doubt the tactical headquarters, while Rivers State is the cash cow followed by Bayelsa State. Edo, Akwa-Ibom, Cross River and Ondo states are not so much in the reckoning of the militants business wise. It took us time but when we found out that the kidnappers in most of the cases took off from Delta State, we decided to pick them up, and as we did that, we were able to send panic into the various syndicates. And because the leaders who do the conceptualization and planning from Delta State are on the run, the boys who execute the drawn-out programme in Rivers and Bayelsa states for instance have been left without shepherds”, an informed source hinted. However, the spokesman of the Ijaw Youth Council, Mr. Peter Ajube, in an interview denied that hostage taking and vandalization of oil facilities in the region were the handiwork of Ijaw youths. He said that criminal elements had infiltrated the struggle and cashed-in on the crisis to make money. Ijaw happy with the clean up Clearly, there is a difference between those kidnapping for the struggle and those kidnapping for money but, in all, kidnapping for whatever reason is wrong and it’s a criminal offence. However, if one were to gauge the mood of the Ijaw nation on the crackdown by security agents on kidnappers, the truth, according to the national president of the Federated Niger-Delta Ijaw Communities (FNDIC), an influential Ijaw body, Chief (Dr) Bello Oboko, was that the Ijaw nationality is happy with the move by security agents to get rid of commercial kidnappers. Oboko told Sunday Vanguard in Warri, last Wednesday, that it was because the Ijaw nation was not happy with the activities of commercial kidnappers that the FNDIC was mandated by Ijaw leaders at a meeting in Bayelsa State on Thursday, August 17 to proceed to Letugbene in Bayelsa State to rescue the Shell Petroleum Development Company (SPDC) worker, Comrade Nelson Ujeya, now deceased, that was kidnapped by Letugbene youths on August 8. He said it was unfortunate that the boys who went for the rescue mission were shot dead by men of the Joint Military Task Force (JMTF) in the Niger-Delta, August 20, on their way back with the hostage. The FNDIC leader said that before the Letugbene case, the group had had cause to disown the moneymaking hostage takers in Rivers and Bayelsa states, saying: “In reality, the struggle is not to take foreigners hostage and make money from it, our struggle is to draw government attention, whether federal, state or local to the underdevelopment in the region, particularly Ijaw land, and enjoin them to develop the areas since oil exploration and exploitation activities have degraded our environment and deprived our people of their means of survival”. Oboko said that it was the same way FNDIC intervened when the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND) kidnapped nine expatriate oil workers in Delta State purportedly as human shields and bombed oil installations following the bombardment of some Ijaw villages by the JMTF, some months ago, that it intervened in the Letugbene case only for its peace emissaries to be killed.
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texazzpete (m)
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@Sijien: You are free to call us criminals. Certainly, you would not say so if we met face to face for fear of loosing your job. It is not surprising that you joined SPDC "yesterday" - in the days of SITP when the cases of ethnic manipulation of test results list and scores have been at their highest .
Those who do not know the real criminals are willingly ignorant and living in an ostrich led world of "fantasy".
Its your time to insult us, please go ahead and do it well because the table will turn (sooner than you think, for sure).
@Chxta: I suggest you do the honorable thing - withdraw your article from the public forum. Your blog remains yours and you can say what you wish there.
It's strange that just when SPDC is trying to secure its future in nigeria by hiring top line staff, you accuse SITP of being influenced by merit and ethnic considerations. As a graduate of SITP, i can tell you that i and most of my colleagues 'knew' nobody. It's purely merit based, as most people out there will tell you. fortunately, Shell make SITP open to almost every technical graduate out there, even those with 2.2s. The tests are determined to filter the Innately Intelligent from the Book-smart people. Thats why many of the 1st class people get all aggrieved when they see 2.2s entering and they don't get in. You're the first i've heard make this accusation, and that doesn't say much for you. Whether or not the South South is justified in what they are doing is another matter. But i always wondered why the never seem to demand action from their state governors. after all, i don't expect tribes in Rivers to be lamenting about underdevelopment when their state gets N4b monthly from oil derivation. Shall we sit down and alnalyse ways to spend N4b to develop Rivers or Delta or bayelsa states? I will always say, sha, that i protect what's mine, as long as no one messes wit me and my family, peace shall reign in naija  between, i'm from Edo State. That means i'm Nija Delta too, so please if we meet face to face, don't harm me o!
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texazzpete (m)
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Nna Chxta, You will agree with me that my brother Nutter has dealth you an upper cut on this one - as usual! I'll advise you to stand down now and eat your words!
Sijien, I believe you'll have a rethink on your last post when you know the personality you're dealing with in here.
Can this be the first threat i've seen/heard on nairaland?
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Chxta (m)
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Nna Chxta, You will agree with me that my brother Nutter has dealth you an upper cut on this one - as usual! I'll advise you to stand down now and eat your words!
Sijien, I believe you'll have a rethink on your last post when you know the personality you're dealing with in here.
Talking with Nutter one on one (we spoke mano-a-mano a few days back) on this issue has changed neither mine nor his view. However, we both agree that something needs to be done. He also now knows what I have on Marwa (that info makes his thievery irrelevant) which I can't let the likes of you be privy to because unfortunately, you have no idea of how to handle priviledged information. At the moment, I would let Texazzpete (whom I know one on one) and Sijien (whom I would really want to meet) to respond. It amazes me how almost all oil company workers see things from my point of view. Either way, it proves me right on my allegations that either we are a selfish people (because they now work for the oil companies they want to secure theirs and theirs) or money that the oil companies have released are being misappropriated, and not by the Federal Government. am starting 2 hate that i am always in agreement with chxta on niger delta issues. but he is right when he said this is not about personality. that is what all of you're turning it into. it is like atiku instead of defending himself about what obj said he did, is attacking obj's personality. not one of u who r arguing has proved chxta wrong based on what i see everyday here. it is about what is on d ground. y havent u challengeddis storyin today's vanguard that shows your beloved militants for what dey really r? thieves as chxta rightly pointed out? Why would you hate to agree with me? (I have gone through all your posts, and I think the only place where we diverge is on the Lebanon-Israel thingy. . .) What I said is true as you are undoubtably seeing for yourself. The abject poverty in the Niger Delta is real, and so are the Niger Deltans (Harrimans, Okumagbas, Saro-Wiwa back in the day, Odilis, Alams, Iboris) and many others whom space would not permit me to name that are profitting from the situation. The abject poverty in other parts of Naija is real as well. Go to Ebem Ohafia, and see what poverty means. Go to Shaki. Trust me, it is as bad in both places as it is in the Niger Delta. It's strange that just when SPDC is trying to secure its future in nigeria by hiring top line staff, you accuse SITP of being influenced by merit and ethnic considerations. As a graduate of SITP, i can tell you that i and most of my colleagues 'knew' nobody. It's purely merit based, as most people out there will tell you. fortunately, Shell make SITP open to almost every technical graduate out there, even those with 2.2s. The tests are determined to filter the Innately Intelligent from the Book-smart people. Thats why many of the 1st class people get all aggrieved when they see 2.2s entering and they don't get in. You're the first i've heard make this accusation, and that doesn't say much for you. Whether or not the South South is justified in what they are doing is another matter. But i always wondered why the never seem to demand action from their state governors. after all, i don't expect tribes in Rivers to be lamenting about underdevelopment when their state gets N4b monthly from oil derivation. Shall we sit down and alnalyse ways to spend N4b to develop Rivers or Delta or bayelsa states?I will always say, sha, that i protect what's mine, as long as no one messes wit me and my family, peace shall reign in naija  between, i'm from Edo State. That means i'm Nigeria Delta too, so please if we meet face to face, don't harm me o! Peter, I will repeat here what I remain convinced about. He who can't be trusted with 'coins' can't be trusted with notes. Your statement there has just proved me right again. Also Goodluck's wife has proved me right again. . . Concerning those who keep asking me to withdraw my article, I am yet to see any well constructed argument that would convince me to do so. IMHO, the one that came closest was by Ugwumba way bak in this 'ere thread. Y'all talking based on sentiment, not based on the cold hard truths. I am tempted at the moment, but let it lie for the now. My dear Nutter said something about my beloved Juve, so I want to go fight him in the sports thread. . .
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kazey (m)
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Hausa's can be friendly and trusting true, nevertheless they have a history of their area boys in some specific states who happen to be known as almajiris, who happen to be blood thirsty, and who happen to slaughter visitors, whenever they go high, true, and this cases as I said, are common in just 3 states, which are Kano and Kaduna and maybe Maiduguri, but this is only 3 states out of how many Northern states, that Nigeria has?
In this states, we do have Kaduna which is an even battle between the Hausas and the Kage, but according to statistics, the Hausas were slaughtered more, whatever the case, the battle in local, so that doesnt count.
To reach to such a conclusion that all the Hausa populace are blood thirsty, we must have enough evidence, that atleast 80% of the Northern states have pre-hostirical occurencies of such massacres, and hence since we don't have that proof, such an accusation is insubstancial, I think.
Which areas are the South-South sef?
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Chxta (m)
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Hausa's can be friendly and trusting true, nevertheless they have a history of their area boys in some specific states who happen to be known as almajiris, who happen to be blood thirsty, and who happen to slaughter visitors, whenever they go high, true, and this cases as I said, are common in just 3 states, which are Kano and Kaduna and maybe Maiduguri, but this is only 3 states out of how many Northern states, that Nigeria has?
In this states, we do have Kaduna which is an even battle between the Hausas and the Kage, but according to statistics, the Hausas were slaughtered more, whatever the case, the battle in local, so that doesnt count.
To reach to such a conclusion that all the Hausa populace are blood thirsty, we must have enough evidence, that atleast 80% of the Northern states have pre-hostirical occurencies of such massacres, and hence since we don't have that proof, such an accusation is insubstancial, I think.
Which areas are the South-South sef?
I have interacted with some almajiri, and as you very well know, their problem (like the problem in the Niger Delta, and a growing portion of Igboland) is ignorance. In my opinion, that is the biggest threat Naija faces today. Ignorance.
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texazzpete (m)
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The naija govt gets the lion share of the oil money extracted at great pains by the so called exploitative oil companies. The youths do not go against the Naija govt, instead they seek soft targets. There are ongoing efforts by oil companies to clean up their act. a 'respect your environment' culture is instilled in every SITP trainee from day One. Why then criticize this budding initiative?
Example, if rivers gets N4b monthly, can't half that cash build good roads, a standard school and a decent clinic in 2 communities a month? a mere N100m can electrify a whole community, with about N10m spent on diesel yearly. Instead of takign these people to account, these millitants kill, steal and destroy.
If shell pays $1.5b damages to the ijaws or ogonis as they demand, how much of that will the triumphant youths use to bring back to life The shell CLO (Nelson Ujeya) and the host of other oil workers killed by these boys? Or is it that Mr. Ujeya's young kids and wife are merely collateral damage?
When you kill and destroy, why would God render justice to you?
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ono (m)
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texazzpete, chxta and sijien, I think we're gradually deviating from the crux of this thread. I have said it time and again on this forum that most of the governors in this country are corrupt. As a matter of fact, our President (alias King Kong) is an embodiment of corruption. That our governors in the Delta are corrupt is like taking a look at the sub-set of a universal set.
So, if most of our governors are corrupt, why face the Niger Delta govs only and leave out the others? Besides, the Niger Delta contributes almost everything the country feeds on. What do the other states contributes for them to have anything in the first place? Is it right for a place and people that contributes nothing to a common purse to receive anything in the first place?
Under normal temperature and pressure, the average Niger Deltan should be living like a Saudi prince, not to talk of the Governor of a State in the Delta. When will you people rub in the fact that if you look wholistically, we're being robbed in the Niger Delta.
I drove through the East West Road over the weekend. Na God save me. I for no dey hear dey tell una story. Two deep trenches, one very close to Rumuji, and the other just before Mbiama caused several hours of traffic on that busy road. So many potholes and ditches. This is the road they went on air and papers to tell the whole world that they are dualising from Warri to Oron. Yet there's no sign or presence of Berger or Setraco doing anything on that road. But when they are doing anything in Abuja or elsewhere, the ease with which projects gets executed makes me wonder if we're in thesame country.
And you guys are here blowing hot air over Niger Delta governors and leaders. Go and meet IBB and ask him where he got all the billions he's having in all his accounts all over the world, same goes for OBJ (KING KONG), Atiku, Adenuga, etc etc. Stop wasting your time here and face the real deal.
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Chxta (m)
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http://wetindey/2006/09/robin-hood-complex.htmlVirtually every adult is familiar with the old tale of Robin Hood and his band of merry men. He has been celebrated by Hollywood, with such greats as Errol Flynn, Kevin Costner, Cary Elwes and, more recently, Asari Dokubo, taking on the role of the man in green tights. For those who are unaware, I'll give a brief synopsis of the story. Robin Hood was born Robin of Locksley, to a rich landowner in medieval England. Against his father's wishes, he ran off to war, and fought in one of the crusades where he was captured by the Turks, and spent some years in prison. On his escape, he returned to England to find his father had been murdered by the Sheriff of Nottingham, who was plotting with the King's brother to overthrow him. Robin wouldn't stand for treason, and turned to a life of crime. He began stealing from the rich friends of Nottingham, and distributing their ill-gotten wealth among the poor, oppressed masses. You could say he was the first English Communist. Of course, the authorities didn't find his actions amusing, and duly put a price on his head and tried mightily to capture him, but always failed. Ultimately, he triumphed over his enemies, and blah blah blah. Or he was betrayed by a woman and killed. The end of the story is rather murky. Which brings me to Naija, and the spate of kidnappings of white men in the Niger Delta. The kidnappers claim to be acting out of righteous indignation over the blatant neglect of their communities by the government, and the rape of their land by the multinational oil companies. Since they can't get their hands on the perpetrators in Abuja, they resort to kidnapping expatriate oil workers, and making demands that the oil companies should leave their land and so on and so forth. Some people step in, negotiations are carried out, money changes hands, and the hostages are released. Now, since the criminal act was carried out for the greater good- namely Justice for the people of the Niger Delta, we would have expected news crews to be invited to videotape the kidnappers returning to their villages as heroes and sharing the ransom money equally to each and every home. Or purchasing medicines and sharing them. Or paying a firm to carry out a clean-up of the environment. We are still waiting. Rather, what has occured is that more and more "militant groups" are springing up daily. Each trotting out the same hackneyed slogans. Then they go out, grab a white man, and wait for their share of the booty. For, make no mistake, this has turned into no more than a lucrative criminal venture. Had these people been acting out of truly altruistic motives, we'd have heard about it by now. Asari Dokubo, who styled himself a freedom fighter, was no more than a political thug who assisted in the greatest rape of the people's mandate ever witnessed in this country, and was well paid for his efforts. None of those proceeds went anywhere outside his immediate family circle. He became a "freedom fighter" when the governor refused to take his side in a turf war. It was at that moment, we are expected to believe that his conscience awoke from its coma and began directing his affairs. Suddenly, his middle name became Mujaheed, and he and his army of thugs and layabouts quickly adopted some nice sounding slogans. When the Federal Government offered to pay him 250,000 Naira for every gun he surrendered, he rapidly turned in some 85 AK47s. By my admittedly horrible mathematics, that computes to about 21 million naira and some change. Not a kobo went to his community. When the government invited him to wine and dine in Abuja, he went gleefully, perhaps expecting to wash down his new friendship with Baba with some oil contracts. (He was already engaged in illegal bunkering by the way.) Baba wined him, dined him, then asked him to return. On his return, he was swiftly arrested. He now cries foul. Tell me, did Che Guevara ever agree to wine and dine with the government? Of course not. Any true freedom fighter knows in his gut that the government is only out to destroy him. A criminal kingpin, on the other hand, only sees the next big score. DSP Alamieyeseigha (aka Alams), erstwhile governor of Baylesa State, famous for his immortal statement "What is 100,000 pounds to a whole governor?" (that's pounds sterling, not biafran pounds), went on a jamboree to Europe. While he was governor, his only exercise was the systematic looting of the public till, so much so that he had a million pounds (sterling) in cash in his house in London. Upon his arrest, he claimed he was being victimised for fighting for the rights of his people. For fighting for more derivation. What had he done with the vast sums already at his disposal? I once had cause to visit Yenagoa, the Bayelsa state capital, while Alams was guvnor. I found only one tarred road, which stopped immediately after government house. The billions of naira accruing to his state every month had done no more than pad his foreign accounts. Yet, after being arrested and charged with corruption, he's suddenly a "victim". The numerous militants in the Niger Delta today have displayed guts, and daring. They're young, cocky, unemployed, and naturally, restless. They've seen a lucrative opportunity and are scrambling to get involved before the gravy train stops rolling. But, modern-day Robin Hoods, they most certainly are not.
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madlawyer1 (m)
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I have always maintained that following the overwhelming support South-South legislators gave to Baba's third term bid, the zone had frittered away a unique opportunity to stand up and be counted. For, with the issue being decided with the South-South's weight on the losing side, any chance for political consideration had been tossed away with the failed bid.
For the same zone that agitated for Baba to succeed himself in 2007 to suddenly turn around and demand the right to replace him now that he's been told to get lost would be comical if it wasn't so pathetic. Now, some would say that the people didn't support third term, the legislators did, but many legislators whose support Baba was banking on backed out because they were afraid of the reaction of their constituents. Their people didn't quietly sit down and watch, they let them know in no uncertain terms- Support third term, and don't ever come back home. In the end, they had to respect the wishes of their people, whether they were elected by them or selected by Baba and Mr Fix-It.
The South-South squandered its chance to produce the next President- it supported the current one.
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owo (m)
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@chxta be carfeul what you wish for others - it may happen to you. You are free to advocate that others should "shut up" but very easily forget that sooner than you think, the table will turn. A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR FOR THE WISE, they say, therefore, withdraw your statement. @sijien and texazzpete, the anonymity (or cover of darkness) provided by the internet is a good cover for anybody to say anything. Thank God for that. However, you may wish to know that people laid down their careers just to ensure that you got into SITP. When ethnic chauvinists were being challenged, dared and stood down ,you were not there, neither did you know anything about it. @ owo sitp is a purely merit based test. it is people like u that failed it that r now campaining for ethnic quotas. is kidnapping and demanding a ransome not a crime anywhere in d world?
You guys amuse me, young men. You come here with preachments of SITP's purity abi? Certainly, you do not know that as "as you make your bed, so you will lie on it". Where were you, when people insisted (year-in, year out) and ensured (with some moderate level of success) that "Lagos list" did not populate the list of entrants. Do you know that there were even attempts to insist that only schools in particular parts of the country were good enough to provide graduates for the program? Get one thing right. If you do not insist on your due, it will not only be taken away from you, your children will be told that they are strangers in their father's house. Today you have benefitted from the struggles of generations of brave Niger Deltans but you want to close the door against those that are coming behind. "I wish you goodluck". Certainly, the labours of our heroes past will not be in vain. If you choose to be a weakling, in the face of obvious oppresion, rape and looting of your father's land (all because of a small job with shell and some few thousands of naira called salary), please keep it up, it your choice. For us, we stand up and insist that 1. We own ourselves, under God, and must never be dictated to (Nobody has a right to determine when and what we can talk like Chxta attempted to do) 2. The resources on our land is ours and those that are currently occupying us and raping our land and its peoples are imposters whose time will soon end. 3. That our children must and will inherit a better society than what our fathers handed down to us.*** It may interest you both to know that I had a shell.com (and it's predecessor) in my official email address before you were entitled to it. Sure you know what that means.
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Nutter (m)
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@ Chxta, You are veering off topic. This thread is predicated on an article - your article. The points raised in that article have been contested. No defence has so far been provided. We are yet to see why the South-South should shut up. @All, I have thus far ignored the fellow that goes by the username Sijien. I now find it necessary to highlight the tragedy of his character given this recent statement: am starting 2 hate that i am always in agreement with chxta on niger delta issues. but he is right when he said this is not about personality. that is what all of you're turning it into. it is like atiku instead of defending himself about what obj said he did, is attacking obj's personality. - Sijien I am intolerant of hypocrisy and so will demonstrate that this is a man who - in almost all his posts on this very thread - has taken great pleasure in attacking personalities. See for instance: A) see them (naija deltans) already fighting even on d internet. this is how dey want to rule naija? this post is so true.B) chxta & nutter r fighting again. like typical igbomen!C) owo i'm not biting d hand that feeds me. shell has paid out billions of naira to d oil producing communitys. but u people never talk about it. just as u people never talk about what happened to d money. criminals. D) owo sitp is a purely merit based test. it is people like u that failed it that r now campaining for ethnic quotas. So, Sijien, please spare us the pontification. Also, since you always find yourself in the position where you wholly agree with Chxta, I’d like to borrow Chxta’s words by asking you to shut up, and in my best Cockney accent I humbly ask you to ‘Get on ya bike’!!
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madlawyer1 (m)
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Why do people get on the defensive when issues that are peculiar to their own tribe, are being addressed? Chxta's observations are valid, and the next question should be ", how do we solve the problem?"
As long as a lot of youth from the South South continue to embrace this get-rich-quick mentality, a.k.a ", I must acquire wealth at all costs," and we continue to sacrifice integrity, good conscience and enlightenment on the altar of Mammon, a lot of these problems that have been highlighted, will remain.
Problems do NOT go away by mere wishful thinking; they leave, because someone, somewhere, has been courageous enough to address them, and implement solutions that will improve the lot of those who have been afflicted by such problems.
It will not be done in one day. All hands need to be on deck.
Peace,
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mochafella (m)
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Why do people get on the defensive when issues that are peculiar to their own tribe, are being addressed?
Unfortunately that is the nature of most human beings, Nigerians just take it a step further than most. It's always someoneelse's fault and your kinsmen can do no wrong even if they are the devil incarnate. Lets not forget "one man's terrorist/crook is another's freedom fighter".
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texazzpete (m)
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@chxta be carfeul what you wish for others - it may happen to you. You are free to advocate that others should "shut up" but very easily forget that sooner than you think, the table will turn. A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR FOR THE WISE, they say, therefore, withdraw your statement.
@sijien and texazzpete, the anonymity (or cover of darkness) provided by the internet is a good cover for anybody to say anything. Thank God for that. However, you may wish to know that people laid down their careers just to ensure that you got into SITP. When ethnic chauvinists were being challenged, dared and stood down ,you were not there, neither did you know anything about it. You guys amuse me, young men. You come here with preachments of SITP's purity abi? Certainly, you do not know that as "as you make your bed, so you will lie on it". Where were you, when people insisted (year-in, year out) and ensured (with some moderate level of success) that "Lagos list" did not populate the list of entrants. Do you know that there were even attempts to insist that only schools in particular parts of the country were good enough to provide graduates for the program? Get one thing right. If you do not insist on your due, it will not only be taken away from you, your children will be told that they are strangers in their father's house. Today you have benefitted from the struggles of generations of brave Niger Deltans but you want to close the door against those that are coming behind. "I wish you goodluck". Certainly, the labours of our heroes past will not be in vain. If you choose to be a weakling, in the face of obvious oppresion, rape and looting of your father's land (all because of a small job with shell and some few thousands of naira called salary), please keep it up, it your choice.
For us, we stand up and insist that 1. We own ourselves, under God, and must never be dictated to (Nobody has a right to determine when and what we can talk like Chxta attempted to do) 2. The resources on our land is ours and those that are currently occupying us and raping our land and its peoples are imposters whose time will soon end. 3. That our children must and will inherit a better society than what our fathers handed down to us.
*** It may interest you both to know that I had a shell.com (and it's predecessor) in my official email address before you were entitled to it. Sure you know what that means.
tell me, what have i said to warrant such an attack on my person? I'm no weakling, as you have seen fit to label me. Tell, me, is it weakness to advocate a more peaceful solution to the Niger Delta travails? twice now you've threatened me and sijien with dire consequences assuing we were to meet face to face. Is that anyway to convince any unbiased listener that the millitants of niger delta region do not engage in senseless violence? Earlier on, the millitants would kidnap expatriates, trat them well and relase them. every single one released came out testifying to the suffering of the people of the ND. So why then this has killing suddenly become an option? Do you not feel concerned that your movements are being hijacked by criminals, like those that robbed the Agip facility, killing a fellow Nigerian in the process. You and I know how important Oil is to the Nigerian Economy. hence, no single nigerian leader will ever allow unrest to destroy the vital inflow of revenue from oil sales. A situation of escalating violence might serve to driv eout the 'occupiers', but it's sure to severly hurt your people too. Shell isn't perfect. no one is actually. and I'm sure you have good reason for your stance towards your former company. But must this beef be held against all shell employees? I'm sure i have done nothing to suggest i am an enemy of the ND people, a despoiler of the environment and, even worse, a weakling  You're obviously older than i am, and have chosen a path for yourself. I respect that. but be aware that this 'small job' as you called it, with shell remains my career path for now. I'm an engineer and i'm working to make an impact in Nigeria and the field of engineering in particular so respect that too. The SITP programme was developed to bring up good, technical engineers to cary the company forward, and to gradually fully Nigerianize the company. At least, I'm sure it's better than having all expatriates, isn't it? In my SITP batch there were a lotof people from Yourba states, i agree. but i hear that in the current batch there are about 10 out of 52 from the niger delta region. A more meaningful route to the control of the oil sector is to encourage your people's participation in the Oil sector in more meaninful roles. Let more good graduates pour out of the region. You should be pleased then, to hear that the Delta state Govt and the University of Benin are setting up a petroleum institute in Delta state. Imagine what wold be the gain if the ND youths in bayelsa and rivers press their state govts to mirror this achievement. Lastly, i must add once more that integral in the SITP training course is a frank description of Shell's lapses envronmentallly in the past, and measures on how to improve community relations and mutual respect between shell employees and their host communities.
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Chxta (m)
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@ Chxta,
You are veering off topic. This thread is predicated on an article - your article. The points raised in that article have been contested. No defence has so far been provided. We are yet to see why the South-South should shut up.
But I have defended myself. Go back to page 1. No fault of mine that you aren't satisfied. Why do people get on the defensive when issues that are peculiar to their own tribe, are being addressed? Chxta's observations are valid, and the next question should be ", how do we solve the problem?"
As long as a lot of youth from the South South continue to embrace this get-rich-quick mentality, a.k.a ", I must acquire wealth at all costs," and we continue to sacrifice integrity, good conscience and enlightenment on the altar of Mammon, a lot of these problems that have been highlighted, will remain.
Problems do NOT go away by mere wishful thinking; they leave, because someone, somewhere, has been courageous enough to address them, and implement solutions that will improve the lot of those who have been afflicted by such problems.
It will not be done in one day. All hands need to be on deck.
Peace,
Great quote. Seen that somewhere before. . .
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Nutter (m)
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But I have defended myself. Go back to page 1. No fault of mine that you aren't satisfied.
Following that, I asked a number of questions at the top of this page (based on your article). You have left all but two of these questions unaddressed. You know that as well as I do. Don’t you?
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Chxta (m)
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No I don't.
between, the 'Italian Champions' just conceeded. What says you to that?
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Nutter (m)
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Don't change the topic, Chxta.
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Donzman (m)
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Igbo for President is all I support. Ndigbo don suffer pass Jaja of Opobo and this is our turn to shine. We need a president because Zik and Aguiyi-Ironsi do not count.
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