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morpheus24
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Human genetics is not that simple. Some characteristics exhibit a dominant/recessive pattern, but hair texture, body morphology, and skin color does not, obviously. Interracial individuals typically have intermediate traits, not as dark or light as mommy or daddy, hair not as thick, kinky or straight long as mommies or daddies, etc,
@Yeah they do. Interacial individuals are intermediate btw both parents both phenotypically and genotypically as they inherit 50% of each parents DNA. However you failed to read the last part of the sentence that states as in these intermediary expressions " exist in Africans without the introduction of european gene pools" therefore intemediaries of 50% Afrian origins will more likely express the dominant aka traits that already exist in Africans when refering to diversity in African cranial morphology, skin tones and hair textures. I.e they do not need the European gene pool to express skin tones,hair texture or cranial morphologies akin to Europeans. |
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Konadub
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Yeah, it exist in Africans but not most Africans like me and you(West African). East Africans(some have light skin, less kinky hair, etc, ), and south Africans(can range from light brown skin to dark, have epicanthic folds,etc, ), but West Africans didn't have light-skin. The majority of West Africans were dark-skinned. To speak of "African genetics" as one grouping is ridiculous as Africa has the greatest genetic diversity.
And yes in Africa you can find many of the features found in Eurasian among native populations, but in terms of the ones we speak of not in West Africa. They were introduced by Arabs and Europeans for the most part.
The studies I've seen referring to Fulani admixture relate to haplotype percentages of eurasian origin(7% of fulani have eurasian haplotypes, type of thing), which does not equate to ones degree of admixture.
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morpheus24
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Yeah, it exist in Africans but not most Africans like me and you(West African). East Africans(some have light skin, less kinky hair, etc, ), and south Africans(can range from light brown skin to dark, have epicanthic folds,etc, ), but West Africans didn't have light-skin. The majority of West Africans were dark-skinned. To speak of "African genetics" as one grouping is ridiculous as Africa has the greatest genetic diversity.
And yes in Africa you can find many of the features found in Eurasian among native populations, but in terms of the ones we speak of not in West Africa. They were introduced by Arabs and Europeans for the most part.
A study of populations in West Africa show the Fulani to be an indigenous West African group from that region linked by Mitchondrial Dna L1b, L3b, L3d, L2b, L2c, and L2d in frequencies of 88% YDNA E3a in frequencies of >80% that is exclusive to West African groups. This people exihibit varying features from central and southern Africans not necessarily as a result of ad mixtures which in the Fulani population occur at a less than 7% frequency Narrow noses, lips,Wavy hair texture and certain body features are not exclusive to Arab or european populations.The fact that Africa is the most diverse group of people genetically and all other mutations derive from a subset of African Haplogroups lends credence to the fact that African populatons would be more diverse phenotypically if there are so genotypically Europeans are 1/3rd African and 2/3rd Eurasians and not the other way round. THEREFORE WEST AFRICANS AND IGBO PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR DO NOT HAVE LIGHT SKIN AS A RESULT OF ADMIXTURES OR ANCIENT GENE FLOW FROM OUTSIDE OF AFRICA but as result of mutations that can be expressed differently by groups of Africans as well. The first picture is a west African of Eastern Nigeria descent with light skin and narrow nose and no recent introductin of European or Arab gene pools to cause either of these features. The second pic is a west african of fulani descent. Note the hair texture. Fulani are strictly West African DNA derived with as little as 5 % Gene pool from north Africa. The third pic shows a West African with cranial features akin to Europeans or Eurasians. This group the Wodabee do not have robust cranial features typical of West African populations yet they have no admixtures and DNA sampling puts them strictly in West Africa |
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africhika (f)
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dear God ---when will color and hair talk end among black people?
and we call ourselves liberated
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morpheus24
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The studies I've seen referring to Fulani admixture relate to haplotype percentages of eurasian origin(7% of fulani have eurasian haplotypes, type of thing), which does not equate to ones degree of admixture.
7% Bro, 7%!!! How about the igbos? You think they got light skin from the fulanis as well. |
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Konadub
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Eboe Women (from Bonny & New Calabar) are very fine and may be had." A month later he wrote that more women "and better" could be had at those two ports
The Eboe women have handsome features, and we could not help thinking it a pity that such savage-looking fellows as the men should be blessed with so handsome a race of females.
These regional types were presumed to embody valued characteristics. "Our Planters almost to a Man are desirous of large strong People like Gambias & will not touch small limb'd People when such can be had.Slaves sold better when they were tall, healthy, male (two times out of three), young (between eighteen and twenty-five was the optimum age for males;fourteen to eighteen for females), and free of blemishes.3 Heavy emphasis was placed on the bondsman being as dark as possible.6 These desirable attributes were all associated with people from the desired regions[, ]
People who had the adverse of these traits, people who were small, slender, weak, and tended towards a yellowish color, were less desirable. Calabar or Ibo slaves, with whatever justice, seemed to epitomize these qualities.
Seems, I might be wrong perhaps there might have been fair skinned igbo people with no admixture. |
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morpheus24
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Seems, I might be wrong perhaps there might have been fair skinned igbo people with no admixture.
Its good we are all learning. I concur with that excerp. |
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agathamari (f)
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I'm well aware that arabs are caucasian peoples, but the Caucasian in AAs is not from Arabs but from Europeans. This has been determined through genetic studies such as haplotyping(many AAs have European paternal haplotypes that are common in Western Europe(slave masters raping slaves), STRs that are population specific(stuff they used in CSI to determine likely ethnic makeup of suspect/victim), and etc. I haven't hear of many African Americans having haplotypes common to the middle east/north africa/etc, My haplotypes from my motherside and fathers(l3d and e3a, ) are from West Africa.
That's all sista.
african slaves were routinly breed with european slaves to allow slave owners an increased proffit since mixed race slaves were sold at the same rate as african slaves as opposed to white slaves albinos are not limited to blacks. it has nothing to do with mixed race either. my grandfather and my aunt (his daughter) are both albino and white. |
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newakata (f)
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Daang! The OP laid down the law!, but has anyone considered the following:
Every Nigerian could be the same EXACT people, BUT because of cultural practices (eating specific kinds and quality of foods in large quantities, migrating to live in a particular area, ALONG with reproduction with others ONLY/MOSTLY who share the same beliefs and cultural practices is what lead to the same genetic traits repeating themselves more frequently in the blood line.
To me, Yorubas, and Igbos are just names that describe different cultural practices and beliefs, but genetically- are you all not the same?
Consider, that in America - HOUSE NEGROES, some who happen to be offspring of white slave masters - were encouraged to only "mate" or "keep house" with othe light skinned blacks. Thus increasing chances that their offspring would be light, and THUS - securing a more favorable life, and treatment than the average dark skinned or brown slave. So the house negroes spoke a lil better english than the field negroe- and had a slightly broader horizon because whitey favored their less offfensive skin tone. Dark slaves resented them at times, and they stuck to themsleves more often than fraternizing withe the field slave. They end up developing a sub-culture within the slave community and as generations progress (even without new white blood added) they can consistently produce a lighter skinned black child, because for years of only mixing with their own kind. Then one day they up and claim to be a different race. they call themselves, Creoles or some other fancy name, but at the end of the day - they are just some regualr blacks who thru selective breeding (cross breeding- not with family members per se, but with the others with the same phenotypes) They SWEAR BEFORE GOD they are a whole nother race/group of people.
BULL. Same with the Igbos and Yorubas (in my totally unscientific, non researched, opinion of course) ;-)
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