B. Sc. vs HND: An Unsettled Case?

They said there will be a GAP so they want the HND to stay as their slave.
Engr Ezeh President Nigeria Society of Engineers  want HND to stay as slave to Degree holders through the message he sent Via Engr Olusegun Adebisi MD Briscoe motors to Ilaro poly recently.

NSE July 2007 News letter.

DEAR ALL,
B. Sc. vs HND: An Unsettled Case is not settle o

To avoid future problem please after ND run away from Poly ooooooo

Have I spoken well?

Even after HND with a Masters degree or PhD. They still treat you as non Graduate they call it non convoct.

When COREN  was looking for REGISTRAR so manyEnginners applied about 6 had HND,+Msc+ PhD infact 2 were university professors. They were fully registered engineers. Members of so many professional Associations.
 They were never shortlisted because they had HND they were said not to be a graduate.

Unless you want Geology or minning Engineering. FUTA Akure can help

PART-TIME PROGRAMMES IN ENGINEERING NOT ACCEPTABLE TO COREN

The Council for the Regulation of Engineering in Nigeria (COREN), established by decree 55 of 1970, amended by decree 27 of 1992 and now Engineers (Registration, etc) Act Cap E 11, 2004, has the mandate to regulate and control the practice of Engineering in all its aspects and ramifications.

Within this mandate, COREN regulates, controls, supervises, accredits and approves all Engineering courses in the Nation’s institutions of higher learning, as provided in section 9 (1) of the Act, which says in part “… the Council may approve … (b) any institution either in Nigeria or elsewhere, which the Council considers is properly organized and equipped for conducting the whole or any part of a course of training, approved by the Council…, (c) any qualification which, as a result of examination taken in conjunction with the course of training approved by the Council under this section, is granted to candidates reaching a standard at the examination indicating, in the opinion of the Council, that they have sufficient knowledge and skill to practise engineering as a profession”.

In order to get this approval, the institution among other requirements, must (subsection 6) “…. Submit a syllabus of its programme, content and minimum facilities to the Council for approval before a course approved by the National Universities Commission or the National Board for Technical Education, or any other engineering body, is commenced”.

The Council has further regulated that Engineering programmes must run on full time bases.

In consequence, no institution can run any Engineering course on part-time.

COREN is therefore surprised to see an advertisement placed by the Yaba College of Technology in the Guardian Newspaper of Thursday July 19, 2007, P. 69, calling for admission into part-time Programme at HND level in (i)Civil Engineering (Structure and Transport options), (ii) Electrical Engineering (Power and Electronics options), (iii) Mechanical Engineering with Production, Machine Building and Automobile options, and at ND level; (i) Civil Engineering, (ii) Electrical Engineering, (iii) Industrial Maintenance Engineering and (iv) Mechanical Engineering.

The general public is hereby warned that COREN has not given any approval whatsoever, to Yaba College of Technology to run the afore listed Engineering courses on part-time basis!. These programmes are not recognized by COREN and as such graduates are not registrable.

Council also uses this medium to remind all other institutions of learning that part-time programmes in Engineering are not acceptable to COREN and graduates are not registrable.

Thank you.
 



http://www.corenng.org/news/part_time_engr.htm


This speaks to answer your question

@HND Holder
Please am not particular about engineering courses because i know is vry hard for it 2 run on part-time and the stress of combining  with work,please am interest in ANY COURES in ANY UNIVERSITY  that u know will accept my HND for 300L ON PART-TIME basis.
thanks

 @trakos You must know one thing.

What do you want
Skill or Certificate?

Pride or survival ?

To me I went for skill & survival at HND level today I am PhD holder

Today I am an elected officer in an engineering association

All depends on you.
But I suufered a lot of discrimnation which I turn to Gold.

He can stay at home when he is 50 years old o.
He will then be an illiterate

Better be discriminated against and move on in life than staying stagnant and getting old waiting for one JAMB.

ABI!

@HND-holder
so you mean Yar'adua's govt have not said anything concerning the discrimination of HND certificate?? I thought by now that thing would have been history.

Why is Yar'adua's government always suspending good policies?? That was how they suspended soludo's policy too. I thought this government had focus before o.

@HND-holder

Long time. Has Yar'adua said any thing positive about HND and polytechnics??

this disparity between the bsc and hnd holders really pains me because the hnd holders are actually better than their bsc counterparts.actually,the polytecnics were established to produce middle-level labour.this middle-level labour as i had heard comprises of the nd holders.so,what the difference since hnd is higher than this middle-level management.if u look at this critically,you will see that before you get an hnd, you must have done a compulsory one-year work experience.with that experience,the hnd is better than the bsc.for me,i hold a hnd in accounting and w]ould not do any bsc programme but would rather go professional.i suggest the govt should take a drastic step if the nation is to develop its technology.

.   University education is met to provide the nation with skill managerial position and decision making while the polytechnic education met to provide highly skill technological man power for the nation, As at today, BTEC HND, which is obtained in Britain could be liken to Nigeria ND, is not an equivalent of BSc. Why then the problem of discrimination between Theoretical Professionals (Bsc) and Technological Professionals (HND)?
This act frustrated parents who do not have the ability to send their Children to University as well as the HND holder. Not Every one can pass through University at the same time. HND was just then an alternative. The Authority then does not have option but to change and upgrade HND to B.Tech, and the Polytechnics to University. Former president Obasanjo’s regime already made pronouncements that the HND certificate will remain a legal tender in Nigeria and holders of such certificate will continue to be recognized as the equivalent of first-degree holders without discriminatory remunerations and limit to progression in the work place. Why should we now register as Technologists that bring no changes to our life when we can perform better than the degree holder in technological trades? We can as well be call a Degree holder? We will no longer need polytechnics again; let everybody go to university and get any degree he/she wants. Why should polytechnics exist in Nigeria when they are of no significance?

Pg 6 section 4.0 VIEWS & COMMENTS OF FG ON THE COMMISSION FOR THE REVIEW OF HIGHER EDUCATION IN NIGERIA 1992.
Says, "Polytechnic should concentrate on the training of middle level manpower for direct employment in industry as a support for university high level manpower. The fact that some other countries provide the facility for the award of degrees not reason for Nigeria to review the polytechnic program "

Some extracts from my presentations.

In 1977 and 80, there was an attempt by the Federal Government of Nigeria to scrap HND. The intention then was to create a pool of technicians and separate the technicians from the engineers. The mistake government made then was to implement it hurriedly, and then to replace HND with a lower certificate called the National Technical Certificate (NTC) and NND The students resisted it because they applied for HND programme and not NTC, which was believed to be of lower status. The government idea then was good but the approach was wrong. Nigerians need are clear court technicians that could read manuals, building plans, engineering layouts, among others and use them in building and effecting repairs as the case may be.
The idea of scrapping HND will lead to the production of more technicians at the OND. In Nigeria today, the HND system has collapsed because we have a lot of engineers who are job seekers rather than being job creators. This lead to the idea of MAFIA called the University convokes other professions have had similar things but were never marginalized so we took a step to make our members happy.

if they still discriminate,then i suggest they allow hnd graduates who want a bsc (because of the need) to start from the final year in the university.if they start at 300 level,then what is the use of spending 5 years in the polytechnic system?

hndholer.that advice is very hard to take o.chai. u want to finish somebody.