@Sauron
Was away for a while so I hope you enjoyed your short "moment of glory"
U are hidebound by your myopia.
How many times do i have to tell a herb like you that penning rhymes for me was just a leisure thang in ma Uni days.
It ain't ma profession so why bust a gut to put lyrics on vinyl?? Hundreds of rap verses?? Show us one and stop bragging!!!
Lame excuse. You don't have to be a professional artiste to roll your lines on disc. Do it for the love, not the money. Flowshow bust yo' ass with the stuff he uploaded in the Battle Thread and challenged you to reply - you went dumb like a statue. Even if he didn't sound too well, at least we know what he sounds like
I see the so-called rap lines you pen and I laugh at yo' construction - that's prose, not rap . . .
Then u must be talking about blinkered fans like yourself.
The fact that Rakim was a rap pioneer doesn't necessarily make him the greatest MC of all time. They all came out when the industry was just starting to grow. What was the level of competition in 1992 compared to now??
Cheese n Rice. . . .some fans also think Public Enemy n NWA were the best since sliced bread but how would they fare if they had joined the rap industry in say, 1996?? Food for thunk, negro!!!
Are you a goblin???
Rakim ain't respected for being a rap pioneer alone. He's respected cos he's good. If it's all about being a pioneer, have you ever asked yourself whatever happened to MCs like Biz Markie, MC Shan, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five (Melle Mel, Cowboy, Mr. Ness, Kid Creole and Raheim)? Whatever happened to Jam Master Jay, Flava Flav? Whatever happened to Public Enemy’s Chuck D that you mentioned???
You claim there was no competition at a time when KRS-One was traversing the earth like a colossus???
It was a debut album. . . . .Most of the lyrics were pre-written. All they had to do was take it to the studio and add the beats n mixes.
What is so outta-this-world in that?? 2Pac recorded "7 Day Theory" in about 7 days so whats the dealie??
Are u a hip-hop illiterate??
Go read up stuff on the album before you come here to fart . . .
Rakim wrote the darn lyrics to the album in the studio . . . the full album was recorded in one week. What's outta the world is that that album is still regarded by hip hop heads as one of the best rap albums to go down in history . . . The excerpts about Rolling Stone and MTV in my previous post were meant to confirm that . . .
Going by the theory that your debut album should be great, why didn't Canibus' debut album fare well? Dude was just blaming Wyclef for his own failure
In those days, the competition was weak. Any idiot could grab the mic and spit whatever and still get street credibility.
Rap music was begging for a face then so any piece of music from anyone was great as far as black people were concerned.
Rap Music was begging for no face . . . a lot of the joints we hear on radio today are remixes of sturvs released in that era . . . ask master 'remixers' like P. Diddy. Go listen to songs like Grandmaster Flash's "The Message" . . . An era is an era . . . some peops still prefer the era of the Sugar Hill Gang et al to this generation of rappers . . .
All the cats you have mentioned here are just average rappers. It's like saying Junior-n-Pretty were better lyricists than Mode9 because they influenced Eedris Abdulkareem and Rasquie. It doesn't make any sense to me. What you should ask yourself is how would they have fared in the mid-90s when Rap music blew up like nitro?? How many of these so called rap pioneers can stand toe to toe with Lauryn Hill in a battle??
"Existing before someone" is different from "influencing someone". I said Rakim influenced these cats . . . not existed before 'em. Did Eedris tell you he was influenced by Junior 'n' Pretty? Let me help you, I read his interview some years back where he listed KRS-One, Dr Dre, Biggie et al as his influences when asked. He mentioned no Nigerian act . . .
You refer to cats like Run-D.M.C., LL Cool J, Chuck D, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G. Rap, Ice Cube, and KRS-One as average???
The past records of some MCs in that list eclipse Canibus' future . . . Canibus can only strive to untie their shoe-laces
Let me refresh yo' memory . . .
Kool G. Rap's story-telling abilities is supreme. He is a legendary mafioso rapper. His trademark style is his swift multisyllabic delivery. Acts like Biggie, Cam'ron, Faboulous, Big Pun, Cassidy, Busta Rhymes, Pharoahe Monch, Papoose, Black Thought, and R.A. Tha Rugged Man, borrowed his style.
New York's Hip Hop history is incomplete without the mention of Big Daddy Kane. You need to listen to "Ain't No Half Steppin" and "It's a Big Daddy Thing" - then you'll really experience what you've been calling 'eargasms'
If you want to know more about him, ask Jay-Z - he was his hypeman . . .
I won't even talk about LL Cool J, let alone Ice Cube and KRS-One . . .
Those were average works. . . . .They get mentioned because they were the music that gave rap music a FACE!!!
They get mentioned cos they are great tracks. Why are so many other works that gave rap music "a face" not gettin' mentioned??? Rakim's smooth baritone flow, his unrelentless energy, his confidence . . . Listen to him on "Follow the Leader,"
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I can take a phrase that's rarely heard / Flip it / Now it's a daily word."
Eminem wouldn't be biting him if he wasn't dope
Keep clutching at straws. . . . . .Rakim n Eric B were just buncha noisemakers in em days who gave the West Coast a life line because of the political rubbish they keep spewing. While they were clueless with their rap songs, Dr. Dre stole the initiative from them(East Coast) and the West grew rapidly.
Thanx to Biggie for restoring the pride back while the likes of Rakim faded into oblivion.
Your theory is ill-conceived . . .
Dr Dre had sumn to say to peops who reason like you:
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Things just ain't the same for gangstas
Times is changing, young niggas is aging
Becoming Ol' Gees in the game and changing
To make way for these new names and faces . . ."
"
But now we got a new era of gangstas
Hustlers and youngsters living amongst us
Lookin at us, now calling us busters
Can't help but reminisce back when it was us
Nigga we started this gangsta shit
And this the motherfucking thanks I get?" - "
The Watcher"
How quick you forget . . . in the next 20 years, nuts like you would call Biggie crap cos of some young gun that just emerged from round da corner . . .
Rakim is an ol' gee in the game. He enjoyed his reign and made way for youngies like Canibus to take a shot at success. Unfortunately, he has been busy amassing failures for himself
Plus I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "oblivion". You mean the same "oblivion" that had him feature on Truth Hurts' "So Addictive"? Same "oblivion" that had him feature on "Classics" with Kanye West, Nas, and KRS-One? Same "oblivion" that had him drop ill bars on Eminem’s "8 Mile" Soundtrack? Same "oblivion" that also had him feature on "The Watcher 2" with Dr Dre and Jay-Z???
How many years ago were all those songs released???
U are really pushing your ignorance to the hilt. . .
The king of punchline is Canibus. Not even your Pac or Rakim can match Canibus when it comes to retching ill punchlines.
On the same track, Bis' spat. . . . . . .
I hear you talkin' but i ignore it/you garbage and your rhymes borin'/
So keep standin' on the corner/the trash-man will collect you in the mornin/'
The sickest punchline ever recorded was also from Bis'. . . .
One of a kind, I got divine chromosomes in me
My sperm'll scramble the eggs in a woman's ovary
And what's spectacular about those lines???
Ever seen any of Big L's punchlines? What are those lines compared to such lines as:
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My sh*t is so hot, I give the mic a heat rash"
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I'm so ahead of my time, my parents haven't even met yet"
". . .
ask Beavis, I get nothing Butt-head"
Straight-up lines. No thrills or frills. You don't need the Dictionary or Google to decipher those words
Classic prattle. Comparing Canibus to Will Smith & The Game just says it all about you.
You are clueless than i originally gave u credits for. Mind u, i didn't give u much in the first place.
I'll compare Canibus to Lil' Boosie or Soulja Boy . . . they share a lot in common . . . Crappy delivery is foremost. Looking up the Dictionary and using big words in his lyrics won't cover up his deficiencies
Nas' "whiskers like a rat" and "fat lips"?? Those are personal disses synonymous to 15 year olds on MTV's "Yo Momma".
You have no idea what a battle track should be?? Go and listen to Bis' "Die Slow", "100 bars" and sniff spicy battle lyrics.
How can Ether eat Canibus' 2nd round K.O.?? Ibime should help you out now. You are deteriorating at a break-neck speed.
And what should a battle track be? How are those lines compared to Canibus "You don't want me to shine", "you might got more cash than me"
Dude simply sounded like a kid whose bread had just been snatched from him
He was whining and complaining all through . . . cos LL pulled a trick on him . . . Jeez, that dude is always grumbling, when will he wake up and smell the coffee???
Nine words of advice - Associating with failures won't get you far in life . . .
I don't need to listen to any more of Canibus' crappy sturvs . . . doesn't get any better. My ears have suffered enough pain
2Pac is a noise-maker. He is not a battle rapper.
Even a kid of 5 knows that and Bamsyle at 40 doesn't know?? Pathetic!!!
Of course Pac ain't into 'em punchlines - I know that's your definition of a battle rapper. But he was a soldier . . . he never hesitated to serve the asses of those who crossed his path . . .
Age??? You don't wanna go there . . . Ofokasibe and Dejiariyo would come up with mo' startling revelations on you
Another heap of trumpery. . . . .2Pac is your idol and you don't even know a germ of information about him.
2Pac died poor. Go to the net and check what he had when he died. . . . .He had nuthing. The truck was even registered under Death Row.
Talking about 2Pac had nothing at birth. . . . .How many of these rappers were born with a golden spoon in their mouthz??
How does this help build a strong case for Pac or how is this relevant to the debate?? Clueless Bamsyle.
And how does this help the debate??? Just cos Pac stayed real to da game and refused to turn into a "water trader", how does that make him poor? Quit talking 'bout stuff you know nada about. Pac was the original mind behind "Mo' Money Mo' Problems". Get yo' facts right.
Bankruptcy?? How low can you sink now??
A man that made $400 million to be paid in instalments of $100 million per year will go bankrupt??
Give up Bamsyle. . . . .You are starting to sound like a scratched Rakim CD.
You must be an ogre . . .
A man makes $400 million and you think he's made for life . . .
You know nada about business . . . go speak to the top biz men the world has ever produced . . . how many albums has 50 Cent been selling after the "Get Rich or Die Trying" and "The Massacre" albums . . .
Vitamin Water? A lot of Americans consider it as "crap and a waste of money" . . . ever gulped one?
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Marketed as health water but is just water with vitamins, flavoring and sugar added", "Completely unneccessary", "There is no reason to buy a food or drink that adds stuff to it for no valid reason", "This is just a ploy by the manufacturer to take advantage of the growing health conscious consumer who does not actually know much about the industry" “The way that vitamin water is marketed and positioned, it's made to look more healthy than other sugary beverages, but it's not - it's still just a soft drink . . . it has this aura of healthfulness that is not deserved. Adding vitamins and minerals to junk food doesn’t make it healthy . . ."
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Adding coutures to yogurt or vitamins to water does absolutely nothing for you or the base product except put extra cash in the greedy corporations that make these products just to take advantage of us"
Comments from top American health experts . . .
Think bro, think . . . do the math . . .
Another weak defense. . . . . .Commercial-wise, 50 cent is a global brand.
His wealth would sink Nas(who had to put his tails between his legs and went back to Jigga). He lost his street credz since then.
Nas lost his street cred??? You've gotta be snoring . . .
Total BullSh*t . . . A man takes his earnings from his two plus sumn albums and invests in some funny beverage . . . and you call that wealth, and . . . erm . . . "global brand"
Donald Trump woulda smack you in the face for that statement . . . And hey, don't just swallow stories and run with 'em . . . relax and run a background check on any piece of news you hear . . .
U lack comprehensive skills. . . . .
What the reviewer meant was. . . .If u are the type that listens to lyrics synonymous to a kid in the 4th grade, then look away from Canibus.
He only used Nelly n Faboulous as examples of rappers like Jay-Z, Nas and other grammatically challenged herbs in the industry.
I told you earlier that your love for big but unnecessary words is what makes you fancy Canibus. Jeez, if you're a babe, guys who look up dictionaries for big words to 'scope' you with would be having a field day on you
And Bamsyle completes his show of ignorance. . . . . . .
Obviously, u haven't been paying attention and yet you claim you know everything about Canibus. . . .You are a pseud.
Canibus wrote those lyrics before the beats. He was about joining the Army when he finished penning the lyrics of the album.
He send the lyrics to Stoupe(The Enemy Of Mankind) to complete in what even Bis' die-hard critics claim was an instant classic.
"Rip The Jacker" was widely accepted and many hip hop heads compared it to Illmatic. 11 brilliant tracks with no skits and no guest appearances!!
Pure artistry from the blueprints of Shakespeare and Da Vinci.
Who doesn't sample beats for songs on Hip-Hop albums?? Are you this blinkered??
Bis was in the army when Stoupe was mixing the sound so he couldn't have been responsible for that part of the production.
U have really shown your ignorance in leaps and bounds and this debate has lost it's taste.
Letz go back to lyrics versus rhythm debate before you humiliate yourself more.
Same ol' same. The Sauron I know so well would kick up any theory just to win a debate . . . You sound so much like Canibus - always making lame excuses for monumental failures - you must share his DNA . . .
Who cares whether he listened to the album 10 years after dropping 'em verses??? Funny enough, I like "Poet Laureate II" but your myopia just won't let you understand what I'm on . . . I'm tired of stressing my points . . . retards don't ever understand anything - even if you repeat it 100 times . . .
"Rip The Jacker" compared to "Illmatic"? Why not compare Simon Adebisi in "Oz" with Kiefer Sutherland’s "24"?
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