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chinani (f)
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I do have to point that out and I did and I will keep pointing that out as long as Nigerians keep saying that black Americans do not help them. Civil rights helped Nigerians and African Americans who helped other Nigerians get their papers helped Nigerians. Ok. Nothing wrong with repitition. If this is not what you mean, tell me what you mean? I agree w/ you. Civil rights has benefited all people of color despite origin. Nigerians do it all the time especially in nairaland. I would not be making this up. I'm mean to say that I don't hear anyone say this in day-to-day life. I don't take NL too seriously b/c we all know that all sorts of weirdos & wannabes come online to act out. White people are in the position to help anyone sense most of them financially benefited from colonization and slavery. How about that, the same people who put your in poverty now pose as the angel that helps you. Your latter sentence raises a good point, and while we recognize that white people have profitted from economic colonization & slavery it does not stop us from benefiting from them. It's not as though it's "payback" b/c it doesn't come close. However, I never said the "helpful" white people were those in the position to help. Maybe they inconvienced themselves etc. Now this contradicts what you said here Wasn't trying to contradict myself. I thought you meant "help" in the personal, face to face sense. In terms of benefiting from civil rights, yes they helped. I meant Nigerians, aren't Nigerians usually born in Nigeria? Yes, most are born in Naija, some are born abroad. (Going back to your original question:) I think that Nigerians are more interested in helping Nigerians than African Americans at this point. But, not b/c of any contempt but b/c they do not live that culture and we do have pressing problems in Nigeria. Behaves? And what behave require? I thought you might hone in on this word. Let me say it differently, a peron needn't behave but remember years ago when that whtie boy got caned in Cambodia & it sparked an international bruhaha, well in Naija there won't be any bruhaha, you'll have to sleep in the bed you makes. When people act out & then cry (b/c a prostititue stole their stuff blah blah, they got robbed acting dumb blah blah they got kidnapped blah blah) I'm don't well up w/ tears. Maybe it's just me. . . Help does not necessarily mean a job. I am talking about needing a place to stay or needing a family to connect with. Yes that's what I meant exactly. And fromwhat I understand this was not provided by African Americans in mass (typically). You are right about that but i am talking about do AA's have to take on the views and ways of Nigerians in order to be accepted as equals in Nigeria, or would it ever be possible for an AA to be accepted as an equal to a Nigerian. I don't think they have to take on the views of Nigerians. I think Nigerians are actually more tolerate than people give us credit for. If you're not in anyone's face they won't bug you whether they feel you or not. |
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Sista (f)
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@ChinaniI agree w/ you. Civil rights has benefited all people of color despite origin. Good at least we agree on something. Maybe they inconvienced themselves etc. We will never inconvenience them as much as they have inconvenienced us and they know this. when they so call help us, it is out of their guilt, not because they are genuine. If they were genuine, they would be trying to help us help ourself as a whole and not as individuals. That kind of help only contributes to separatism and they know this.Yes, most are born in Naija, some are born abroad. (Going back to your original question:) I think that Nigerians are more interested in helping Nigerians than African Americans at this point. But, not b/c of any contempt but b/c they do not live that culture and we do have pressing problems in Nigeria. Ah ha, but we are all African and if we helped each other we could be so much richer. United we stand and divided we fall. Yes that's what I meant exactly. And fromwhat I understand this was not provided by African Americans in mass (typically). Maybe not in a mass but please believe, I have seen a many Continent born Africans living with African Americans and I love the hell out of that. My seeing this is what made me ask you the question. I have to admit though, the Continent born Africans I have seen living with AA are usually the ones who somehow got on drugs or are trying to get away from prostitution and the AA lets them live with them. I have not seen a Continent born African who does not do drugs or prostitute being helped by AA's. I wonder what that is all about? but I can guess a few reason for that. It could be proof that no matter what, in times of crisis we really do help each other out when the going gets rough.
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Donzman (m)
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@Sista We're not all Africans, we're all of African origin. I don't want to keep saying the same thing over and over again.  |
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Sista (f)
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@DonzmanWe're not all Africans, we're all of African origin. I don't want to keep saying the same thing over and over again. Then why do you keep saying it? And, why are you saying it again at this particular time?
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Uju4eva (f)
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Oh alright, I agree with the "bastard" comment. Because if he was, I wouldn't consider him as that, but this forum is crazy, you guys are still debating on things,
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babyosisi (f)
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African Americans have a need to differentiate that they are not Africans,mistaking them for Africans is kind of embarrassing to them.
They are not Africans,Africans are some uncivilized ill mannered people running around naked with spears living in huts and sorrounded by a thick forest.
That is the average impression of Africa by non africans including African Americans.
You cannot imagine the disbelief even in this day and age when I travel home and return with pictures showing houses and regular people like them.
I tell the ignorant ones when they ask silly questions that the American embassy in Nigeria sits on the tallest tree in the jungle and is heavily guarded by lions and leopards.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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,Africans are some uncivilized ill mannered people running around naked with spears living in huts and sorrounded by a thick forest.
That is the average impression of Africa by non africans including African Americans.
You cannot imagine the disbelief even in this day and age when I travel home and return with pictures showing houses and regular people like them.
I tell the ignorant ones when they ask silly questions that the American embassy in Nigeria sits on the tallest tree in the jungle and is heavily guarded by lions and leopards.
these inpresion is making it difficult for me to watch some African American sit com this days, some times it feels like they take it as job to bring down there, African brothers and sisters, these is where all the hatred started from, I guess they get there kicks from that, but we should all refuse to give in to stereo type [ the good CAs and AAs ]. |
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babyosisi (f)
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these inpresion is making it difficult for me to watch some African American sit com this days, some times it feels like they take it as job to bring down there, African brothers and sisters, these is where all the hatred started from, I guess they get there kicks from that, but we should all refuse to give in to stereo type [ the good CAs and AAs ].
Have you listened to steve harvey and the AA sitcoms.I don't watch BET since Tavis Smiley left for PBS. |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Have you listened to steve harvey and the AA sitcoms.I don't watch BET since Tavis Smiley left for PBS.
yeah i do watch steve harvey [ a typical umuahia face } some times, the worst is Damon wayans '' my wife and kids' that guy is a shyt azz muther phucker, I hate his muther phucking azz, but Sean and Marlon wayans are better. |
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Donzman (m)
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My friend, nothing you posted has anything to do with culture. You lack so much culture that you do not even know what culture is anymore. It's really a pity!  |
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swat (m)
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@edygirl, u here now?, hola!, m awefully bored
@iice, i like d way u drop ur opinions especially in sex related issues, u sure dony leave any clue about yourself,
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Hero (m)
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My friend, nothing you posted has anything to do with culture. You lack so much culture that you do not even know what culture is anymore. It's really a pity! What the hell are you talking about. How are these ailments not a product of Nigerian cultural aspects? A nation is nothing more than what the people whom occupy it make it out to be, and such a nation of people achieve such a standard of nation via the implementation of their cultural values into the process of forming and managing such an entity. A nation is what it's people make it, and thus a nation is a miror image of it's people's TRUE cultural values. If a nation is overtly corrupt, it's so because it's people have no real desire to change it and are culturally ingrained to it; or in other words such an ailment has become or has always been of norm to them, and thus they have no real understanding of how such actions--- small and large--- effects their greater view to the world at large. Take Dowry for instance; it's blatantly a form of bribery, yet it's a long standing cultural element of the Nigerian and many other African nation's marital procedures, and nothing about it is view as wrong by those who follow this tradition. |
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Sista (f)
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@BabyosisiAfrican Americans have a need to differentiate that they are not Africans,mistaking them for Africans is kind of embarrassing to them. Where have you met these kinds of AA's? Please tell us because you don't speak for all AA's They are not Africans,Africans are some uncivilized ill mannered people running around naked with spears living in huts and sorrounded by a thick forest For every stereotype, there are generalizations. Generally, a large amount of Africans do still run around in forest and mountains. Historically and generally, all Africans at one time did live in mountains and forest. For the ones who still live in those places, their homes are huts and they still use spears, there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, those Africans who still live in the mountains and forest, as long as outsiders are not bothering them, they do a lot better than us. When you see an AA who is thinking that all Africans live in forest and mountains, you need to take advantage of that situation and educate that AA. Don't let your so called civilized ego think that what that AA thinks is an insult to you because those Africans still living in the forest are our brothers and sisters as well. Instead, it would be nice to educate the AA's who still think this forest and mountain thing as generally all Africans. While teaching them, you can include that you and many other Africans do not live in the forest or mountains. It would be a good idea to keep those pics with you at all times because during one of your spontaneous Education moments with an AA, your pictures can be used as a show and tell  That is the average impression of Africa by non Africans including African Americans.
You cannot imagine the disbelief even in this day and age when I travel home and return with pictures showing houses and regular people like them. All Africans are regular people, even the ones who still live in the mountains and forest. I tell the ignorant ones when they ask silly questions that the American embassy in Nigeria sits on the tallest tree in the jungle and is heavily guarded by lions and leopards If you really do this, I am going to have to ask you. Why would you want to contribute to their already ignorants?
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Sista (f)
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@To allyeah i do watch steve harvey [ a typical umuahia face } some times, the worst is Damon wayans '' my wife and kids' that guy is a shyt azz muther phucker, I hate his muther phucking azz, but Sean and Marlon wayans are better. I am AA and I don't even watch those shows, infact, I get tired of AA Television shows, it is always the same ole shyt. Most of those shows are an attack on black people. However I do like Shawn and Marlon Wayans from time to time. I like the brotherhood that they show and I like how the father is always involved with them and even though Shawn and Marlon are adults, they are still getting their butts whipped by pops. That is so funny to me because believe it or not, in the AA culture, that happens. You are never to old to get your butt whipped by your mother or your father.LOL
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Donzman (m)
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@Hero
Go and get informed because a bulk of the things you said in your last post is just well, WRONG!
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Hero (m)
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Prove it. Back that statement up.  |
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Donzman (m)
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Prove it. Back that statement up. It's friday night here and it's difficult trying to disprove rubbish while being drunk on a friend's phone nonetheless. Give me sometime, maybe tomorrow and I'll get back to you. @Sista When will you admit that there's a difference between black Americans and Africans?, By the way Sista, white people are really evil. I had some white woman yelling racist chants towards me as I was about to board a bus and it wasn't cool at all. |
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Sista (f)
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@DonzmanWhen will you admit that there's a difference between black Americans and Africans?, By the way Sista, white people are really evil. I had some white woman yelling racist chants towards me as I was about to board a bus and it wasn't cool at all. you must be bored and that is why you are telling me this. What is your point for telling me this?
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Donzman (m)
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I'm telling you that is so that you'll realise that I do know white people are bad but unlike you, I don't generalize that to every whitey out there. You tend to think I believe whiteys are all angels which is wrong. They have committed atrocities over the years and so have blacks.
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Sista (f)
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@DonzmanWhen will you admit that there's a difference between black Americans and Africans?, By the way Sista, white people are really evil. If time was reversed and I ended up being one of those Africans who stayed in Africa and you wounded up being the African who descended from the African slaves taken from Africa, you would have had the same experiences as me and other blacks not born in Africa. You would be thinking like me and I like you with some slight differences because you are not exactly me and I am not exactly you. In your case, you would probably be a high horse ni--a and I would be politically involved in making nigerian independant of forein exchange. I would aslo be advocating the unification of all black people as a Nigerian. I am never going to say that we are different. When you look deep we have so much in common, we really are a lot more a like than we are not alike.
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chinani (f)
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@ NinetofiveSteve Harvey, a typical Umuahia face? I don't think so. He's . . .  If a nation is overtly corrupt, it's so because it's people have no real desire to change it and are culturally ingrained to it; or in other words such an ailment has become or has always been of norm to them, and thus they have no real understanding of how such actions--- small and large--- effects their greater view to the world at large. @ HeroThis statement can not possibly be true b/c Nigerian corruption is supported by the Western power structure! Think: Would there be "Nigerian corruption" if Biafra had been formed? Who stocked the "Nigerian army", mercenaries, air force? THE BRITISH! Who refused to recognize Biafra or be her ally? All Western powers, save France & Israel. Nigeria just ended miltiary rule & all the while who bankrolled her? Who? THE WEST! It was not "our cultures" money in their pocket though it was our resources they were selling. If the West (i.e. your culture) is so against corruption then why feed it? So, while I recognize that are offended if you want to offend others in turn, please provide a legitimate example. p.s. I'm being overly kind by not mentioning that Naija has a multitude of cultures which can not & should not be collapsed. |
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chinani (f)
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@ HeroHmmm, I just reread your posts and maybe you're trying to so how a person can't use the worst case scenario or "least common denominator" to denote or generalize a culture especially when that scenario is present w/in many cultures in a geographic and/or political region. Was that your point? I'm not guilty of that generalization but I took the bait on the post huh?  Was that your point? |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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@To all
I am AA and I don't even watch those shows, infact, I get tired of AA Television shows, it is always the same ole shyt. Most of those shows are an attack on black people.
people tend to take this issue of African Americans bringing down Africans in there movies lightly, the effects these shyt is having on black people is negatively great, but the African Americans wont see these things as long as they are in the US, but when they travel to a place like Russia and the ''skin heads'' kicks there azzes as they would kick every black azzes due to the effect of what they 've done, then they would learn that any black person that phucks around a black person phucks with themselves, honestly a lot black people [including the AA] has lost their lives because of these in Moscow. I remember in the 90s Nigerians were trying to inculcate the African American culture [ the good ones ] into our Films and sitcoms, it was a usuall thing to see somebody that portrays an African Americans [speaks with African American accent ] in our sitcoms, ALALEY of ''Bassey and the company'' is good example if anybody remembers. I guess our film makers are too ashamed to do that now, when in 80% percent of African America sitcoms you must surely hear something Negative about Africans, this shyt pissis my wife off. lets break this circle of hatered. @Babyosisi
, a large amount of Africans do still run around in forest and mountains.?
this is not a statement of fact, infact is not even close, there is a problem of believing too much on documentary here. |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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@Sista We're not all Africans, we're all of African origin. I don't want to keep saying the same thing over and over again. Donzman you are not making sense at all, In Africa people are not defined by place of birth but by blood, am an Igbo man but I was born in Yoruba land, a Nigerian born in the US is still a Nigerian, so African Americans are Africans born in the US, lets quit sounding daft just for the sake of argument. |
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GNature (m)
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@donzman
On one of your posts, you told Sista that "we are not all Africans, we're of African origin". But it doesn't really
matter. Anyone with African blood can choose to call themselves African, AA or whatever, it's not a big deal.
If Sista chooses to call herself an African or however way she wants to put it, she is right
because she has African blood in her system.
My brother, please leave this issue alone. I don't always agree with the reasoning behind
Sista's postings, but you cannot carry on with something as trivial as this.
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Donzman (m)
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Well Sista has African blood in her system but she is American, that is why she is called African-American. You know, an American of African origin. Defining who is African based on skin colour is not right, if your father (a Nigerian for example) migrated to the US and you were born there. You're an American of African origin which doesn't make you an African. My 'white' Egyptian friend is much more African than 100% of Americans of African origin. Infact, most AAs know as much about Africa as the white man around the corner so you really can't blame them for the stereotypes they portray. Ask yourself this question, if there's a war between Nigeria and America, will sista's son fight for America or Nigeria?, Answer is obvious! a Nigerian born in the US is still a Nigerian, so African Americans are Africans born in the US, lets quit sounding daft just for the sake of argument. Big difference between a Nigerian born in the US. and an immgirant from Nigeria born in the US. Plus No, African Americans aren't Africans born in the US., they're immigrants (some unwillignly) of African origin. |
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Sista (f)
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@ DonzmanWell Sista has African blood in her system but she is American, that is why she is called African-American. You know, an American of African origin. You sound just like the white man telling people who they are. I didn't give my self the title AA, the white people who run America did. I said I am African and that is all it is to it. You have not seen me, I probably have more African blood than you and I most likely look more African than you do. As a matter a fact I have been told that I have the original African nose eye's and lips. What ever that means. My point is, you can not say because you have not seen me and you sure as hell have not seen or know anything about my blood. People are always thinking that AA's have mixed up blood. Some of us do but most of us don't. My mother is a black woman with brown skin, my father is a black man with dark brown skin. Both may parents are of African and African descent. They both have O type blood, the oldest blood in the world, coming from Africa. Defining who is African based on skin colour is not right, if your father (a Nigerian for example) migrated to the US and you were born there. You're an American of African origin which doesn't make you an African. Are you crazy? You can always remove the African from Africa, but you will never be able to take Africa out of the African. Infact, most AAs know as much about Africa as the white man around the corner so you really can't blame them for the stereotypes they portray This is a damn lie and how do you come up with this? You can't just be flapping your lips about something you know nothing about in order to back up your false claims, where is your proof? My 'white' Egyptian friend is much more African than 100% of Americans of African origin. I don't agree with you on this but 925 might agree, sense he says his wife is more Afrocentric than most other African women.
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superman (m)
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what a hell is really goin on here! if our africa brothers and sisters in diaspora choose to change their slavery mentality names given to them hence recognising their root in turn choose to call themselves african rather african america i think its a welcoming development to african unity kiss it leave be as much navie and foolsih as u can you know it!
with that attitude some people are displayin here you can see we got a big problem now ! if will smith turn around and says hes no more african america but merely an african which he was and he is and will always be like that hey my friend ve u got a problem with that! unity we conquer, divide this superman might find it really hard to fly
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Donzman (m)
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@ Sista
925 doesn't have to agree with anything, the Egyptian is much more African than the typical African American. The Egyptian will live to defend Egypt and Africa if need be, the African American will live to defend America if need be. Thats is just the way I see it. I don't see Condoleeza Rice putting pressure on Bush to rescue her fellow Africans ( as you claim) dying in Sudan. Instead she is working hard to see that Americans are safe from terrorists. That is just the way I see it.
I have loads of AA and Carribean friends and most AA guys so that's where I get my ideas from. The Carribean blacks are way more African than the typical AA's. Sista, you'll have to admit that you aren't the typical AA and we shouldn't take your views as the view of the average AA.
By the way, every human being can lay claim to being African (Ding!) .This makes your whole argument of being African just on the basis that your forefathers came from Africa very trivial and unreasonable. Here is another news, life originated from here so every human can say they're Africans. You can see why your argument just doesn't work.
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Donzman (m)
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@ Superman
I'll fight for the unity of mankind and not unity based on race and the sooner people start working towards that, the better off we will all be. Africans on the continent aren't exactly living in harmony and have never been known to live that way. Bringing all blacks together doesn't guarantee peace even if it is remotely possible.
By the way, I'm still trying to figure out how Muhammad Ali is an African name. Is Arabic African? I'm not really versed in that regard. If it is indeed Arabic and not African, doesn't that go to show how uninformed most AAs are concerning African culture?, I've had some ask me why I'm Christian and not muslim because apparently, muslim is the traditional African religion. WTF, really? Tell me something I no know.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Donzman is not even an african, he is some white fella, he might need to be ignored. @ Donzman
I don't agree with you on this but 925 might agree, sense he says his wife is more Afrocentric than most other African women.
now thats a nice trial but am cool. |
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How are these cultural aspects of Nigeria and Nigerians greater than that of America and Americans? 
