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~Sauron~
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i am sorry, but that guy died for nothing. and if my colleague had challenged the police, the same would probably have
happened happened to him.
Nigeria is no country for heroes
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Kobojunkie
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@~sauron~ and @Oyb, I can only say that you are allowed to continue thinking as you want to at this point. I feel we have spent too much time on these issues and if at this point, some still do not feel it is worth the fight to see that their children get a better future in that country, then I wish them the best.
I am happy that not all Nigerians have take that defeatist approach to issues that concern Nigeria; some are willing to and have been working to see things change. I pray the Lord does give us all the support we need to see these dreams become a reality soon for us as I do believe we, the people, even if just a fraction, can cause change in that country and turn things around in such a mighty way. Maybe then, we will be able to convince you that it is possible to be a Nigerian in NIgeria with respected rights and a good system( without having to resort to breaking the law). Till then, all we can do is speak of the wonderful things we believe is possible, which apparently, you do not buy!
I am glad that there are policemen out there who are less willing to collect bribe and more willing to serve the people. It shows that all is not lost. Not alll policemen are trigger happy, and looking for bribe.
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CrazyMan (m)
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Let’s say the N200 was to small for him to loose his integrity just like that.
Am sure that if more zeroes were added to that money, he wouldn’t have refused it.
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Kabidoye (m)
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they really need a revolution. they tell you u ve committed an offence you 've never heard off and the next he tells you is 'ma guy settle me'. the problem starts wit them not us giving.
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~Sauron~
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@~sauron~ and @Oyb,
I am glad that there are policemen out there who are less willing to collect bribe and more willing to serve the people. It shows that all is not lost. Not alll policemen are trigger happy, and looking for bribe.
Show me one policeman less willing to collect bribe in Nigeria. . . . . They are all rogues . . . . . .These one prolly felt the 200 Naira was an insult. Throw him 5,000 Naira and letz see if he won't give in to bribery. . .  |
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Kobojunkie
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Show me one policeman less willing to collect bribe in Nigeria. . . . . They are all rogues . . . . . .These one prolly felt the 200 Naira was an insult. Throw him 5,000 Naira and letz see if he won't give in to bribery. . . I don't have to show you anything. Even if God came down to do that, I doubt you would believe. Hence the reason why I choose instead of allow you believe as you choose, while I walk over to those who see change is not ALIEN to Nigeria and Nigerians, and are actually willing to die/do what it takes for them to see this change. And you know what? I don't blame you for believing it is not possible. I however, can not believe as you do as I have actually seen and lived through a time when none of what we have today was deemed close to acceptable; both from government or from the police. |
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@Childish Poster.
Why not reason inwards before coming to ask a general question? Why not ask yourself, lets say you are in the Nigerian Police Force, will you refuse bribe?
You make it seem to be an institution thing and not an individual thing!
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Kabidoye (m)
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they really need a revolution. they tell you u ve committed an offence you 've never heard off and the next he tells you is 'ma guy settle me'. the problem starts wit them not us giving.
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~Sauron~
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I don't have to show you anything. Even if God came down to do that, I doubt you would believe. Hence the reason why I choose instead of allow you believe as you choose, while I walk over to those who see change is not ALIEN to Nigeria and Nigerians, and are actually willing to die/do what it takes for them to see this change. And you know what? I don't blame you for believing it is not possible. I however, can not believe as you do as I have actually seen and lived through a time when none of what we have today was deemed close to acceptable; both from government or from the police.
U are missing the points like a free throw shot!!! The change cannot be initiated by the people that are being oppressed everyday. It must start from the government!!! Let them improve the welfare of these policemen who put their lives on the line for the people instead of feeding em with crumbs. In those days(when cops were honest) you were harping about, their welfare was okay and they had no reason to collect bribe to fill in the gaps. Times have changed now. . . . .How do you expect a man with wives and kids to survive on N7500 per month?? |
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Kobojunkie
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U are missing the points like a free throw shot!!!
The change cannot be initiated by the people that are being oppressed everyday. It must start from the government!!! The above brings me to the question I have asked over 4 times now with no answer so far. How do you expect the very same corrupt people to suddenly see light tomorrow? How is it possible that the same people who you blame for the problem; the same people who are responsible for the decay in that country, to magically turn things around so you and your children can have a better tomorrow? Do you think the Israelites would be alive today if they placed such faith in the Egyptians initiating change to better their (the Israelites) lives? Let them improve the welfare of these policemen who put their lives on the line for the people instead of feeding em with crumbs. How can they improve anything when you are not willing to demand they do? How? In those days(when cops were honest) you were harping about, their welfare was okay and they had no reason to collect bribe to fill in the gaps.
Times have changed now. . . . .How do you expect a man with wives and kids to survive on N7500 per month??
Wrong!! Cops were living back then in the same old dirty cantonments. We used to have about 3 cops living in our face to face. It was not a great paying job always but it was honest work. Yes, they are underpaid now but they have not always been underpaid. So it is not the reason why they collect bribe. If that was the case, then we would at least say that the chiefs and our politicians have no reason to demand and take bribe because most of them live in posh houses? Continue making excuses for mediocrity. I am used to hearing such. |
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Mamajama (m)
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One question for all the people complaining about the police. If you are not standing for what you believed in, then who will stand up for you?
How long will you continue to run like cowards and submitting to extortion? we need to stop complaining and start acting.
stop making excuses and be part of the solution and progress. one nation and I still love the police
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Clairette (f)
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@ Jamace A Senator collects #2,480,000 as basic monthly salary and still demands for Ghana -Must-Go, is it the policeman that collects #26,000 as monthly salary that will fight corruption?.
Are you sure you're not ma twin brother? You're always getting those your from ma mouth, ma hearth/ You're interestingly sensible upthere! |
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Clairette (f)
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@ Jamace A Senator collects #2,480,000 as basic monthly salary and still demands for Ghana -Must-Go, is it the policeman that collects #26,000 as monthly salary that will fight corruption?.
Are you sure you're not ma twin brother? You're always getting those your from ma mouth, ma hearth/ You're interestingly sensible upthere! |
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debosky (m)
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Wrong!! Cops were living back then in the same old dirty cantonments. We used to have about 3 cops living in our face to face. It was not a great paying job always but it was honest work. Yes, they are underpaid now but they have not always been underpaid. So it is not the reason why they collect bribe. If that was the case, then we would at least say that the chiefs and our politicians have no reason to demand and take bribe because most of them live in posh houses? Continue making excuses for mediocrity. I am used to hearing such.
Your penchant for lumping things together to make a point is regrettable. Someone who is seeking bribes because he can't pay his family is being compared to a corrupt politician? Even though they are both doing something wrong, one is out of SURVIVAL while the other is GREED. If you can't see the different MOTIVATIONS here, then you are even more clueless. How do you know the policeman invented the certificate you didn't have? Are you sure there is no obscure law somewhere that is actually being enforced on you? You are no better than the other people you claim do not have 'all their documents'. The ONLY reason the policeman left you was because it would be more profitable to harass other people on the road and make more money instead of focusing on one stubborn person. He was probably still in a good mood. Hungry policemen have Shot people over ordinary 20 naira. Anyone comparing the police of the 80's to the awful conditions of service today is not only ignorant but clueless. Police numbers have grown almost three fold, with very few additions to accommodation. Things are SO BAD, the police went on strike a few years back. If cantonments were 'dirty old cantonments' in the 80's imagine how bad they would be now after 20 years of neglect.  The demands for improvement in the police should not and cannot be effectively made by people facing the police guns. The key is getting the political representation right and putting pressure in that direction. The police is an armed service with a CLEAR demarcation and RESPECT for authority. They act according to 'orders from above'. Get the head right and they will whip the rank and file into line and remove bad eggs as needed. People should not give bribes when they can avoid it. But I BEG you, there are people who have been 'courageous' but end up being branded as Armed Robbers and killed. I remember the case of the "Apo 6" in Abuja a few years back - the guys were killed and buried by the police. Somehow the case got to court and was investigated. . . .I don't remember how it ended, but it has definitely not stopped people getting rounded up at random and called Armed Robbers, or killed and guns planted on them to implicate them as robbers. Please do not confront an Armed Policeman. You will get killed an no one will hear anything anymore, except you are connected to a big man. We need to focus on getting a few good eggs in government to begin to change things, not killing yourselves in the guise of protest. |
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~Sauron~
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The above brings me to the question I have asked over 4 times now with no answer so far. How do you expect the very same corrupt people to suddenly see light tomorrow? How is it possible that the same people who you blame for the problem; the same people who are responsible for the decay in that country, to magically turn things around so you and your children can have a better tomorrow?
They will see the light if you vote the right people in?? Is that even possible in Nigeria?? No!!! If these things are impossible, why not leave the cops to their vices and enjoy it?? Do you think the Israelites would be alive today if they placed such faith in the Egyptians initiating change to better their (the Israelites) lives?
Different scenarios. . . . .We are not Togolese in Nigeria. . . . .U mentioned Egypt and Israel in one breath. . . Syntax error IMO. How can they improve anything when you are not willing to demand they do? How?
People have cried, wailed, protested and hollered even before you were born. What have changed since then?? It's getting worse. Was it not the same Nigeria that had soldiers throw Fela's mum(a woman) out of a storey building?? No investigation followed. . . . .The official report was they were UNKNOWN SOLDIERS. Wrong!! Cops were living back then in the same old dirty cantonments. We used to have about 3 cops living in our face to face. It was not a great paying job always but it was honest work. Yes, they are underpaid now but they have not always been underpaid. So it is not the reason why they collect bribe. If that was the case, then we would at least say that the chiefs and our politicians have no reason to demand and take bribe because most of them live in posh houses? Continue making excuses for mediocrity. I am used to hearing such.
Underpayment is different from underpayment. Have u put inflation rate into consideration?? In those days, they could still afford to feed, clothe and house themselves comfortably. These cops collect bribe cos they cannot survive. . . . . . .Nothing else!!! |
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Kobojunkie
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They we see light if you vote the right people in?? Is that even possible in Nigeria?? No!!!
If these things are impossible, why not leave the cops to their vices and enjoy it?? Arrrgghh!!! So basically the cops are justified in their vices? And we are supposed to accept that bribery and corruption is our lot? Good! Different scenarios. . . . .We are not Togolese in Nigeria. . . . .U mentioned Egypt and Israel in one breath. . . Syntax error IMO. Well, OK. So let me accept that the analogy would not apply(even though I believe it is straight to the point there), the question still deserves an answer. People have cried, wailed, protested and hollered even before you were born.
What have changed since then?? It's getting worse. Argh!! Before I was born! Never mind that only 20 years ago, bribery and corruption was seriously frowned upon, in the same country. Was it not the same Nigeria that had soldiers throwing Fela's mum(a woman) out of a storey building??
No investigation followed. . . . .The official report was they were UNKNOWN SOLDIERS.
Underpayment is different from underpayment. Have u put inflation rate into consideration?? Arrgh!!! So now, the reason why policemen shoot people for money is underpayment? Never mind that the inflation rate has NOT ALWAYS been the way it is today, now, it is all because they are underpaid and so they have a real reason to torment members of the public, many of whom make little or nothing for their living? The boy @Oyb explained was shot dead by the police back in 2003 was shot down because the policemen were underpayed? BRILLIANT!!! In those days, they could still afford to feed, clothe and house themselves comfortably.
These cops collect bribe cos they cannot survive. . . . . . .Nothing else!!!
The police collect bribe because they need to survive, so in some way that changes the law and makes bribery legit? WOW!! You are amazing!!! So the law is wrong in depicting all acts of bribery and corruption as being illegal then. It is ok that some policemen demand bribe and go as far as to ignore the rights of the citizens in order to get the bribe because they need to survive by collecting bribe? WOW! |
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~Sauron~
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Arrrgghh!!! So basically the cops are justified in their vices? And we are supposed to accept that bribery and corruption is our lot? Good!
Of course, they are justified in their vices. . . . . . How do you expect a man with family to survive on £50 a month?? Think about it. If you are one of them, you would collect more than bribe. Well, OK. So let me accept that the analogy would not apply(even though I believe it is straight to the point there), the question still deserves an answer.
The head has to be cleansed first before you deal with the lower level. If the head remains corrupted, nothing would change!!! Argh!! Before I was born! Never mind that only 20 years ago, bribery and corruption was seriously frowned upon, in the same country.
Frowned upon ma ass. . . . . . Were you not born during Lawrence Anini's saga in 1985?? That was 23 years ago. Who was supplying the robbers in Benin the arms and ammunitions they were using to kill people?? Are you an ignoramus?? Was a Police Chief not indicted in that case?? Arrgh!!! So now, the reason why policemen shoot people for money is underpayment? Never mind that the inflation rate has NOT ALWAYS been the way it is today, now, it is all because they are underpaid and so they have a real reason to torment members of the public, many of whom make little or nothing for their living?
Who else would they turn to?? Their superiors who send em out to collect bribes or what?? You are really pushing this cluelessness of yours to the hilt. . . . . . Of course, somebody has to bear the brunt. . . .It's not rocket science. The boy @Oyb explained was shot dead by the police back in 2003 was shot down because the policemen were underpayed? BRILLIANT!!!
The police collect bribe because they need to survive, so in some way that changes the law and makes bribery legit? WOW!! You are amazing!!!
Why else would policemen subject law abiding citizens to harrassment if it's not motivated by HUNGER?? I am not saying bribery and corruption is legit but i can understand the reason why they do it?? Even the Courts these days make allowance for drug addicts who commit crime. . . .They know they have to steal to feed their habits. So the law is wrong in depicting all acts of bribery and corruption as being illegal then. It is ok that some policemen demand bribe and go as far as to ignore the rights of the citizens in order to get the bribe because they need to survive by collecting bribe? WOW!
What is this dude saying here? A situation where the law enforcers(Policemen) are the ones collecting bribe. . . .how do u fight the law?? They have killed, arrested, detained men like you in the past so you will only make up numbers for them. . . U won't be the first and you won't be the last if u get shot(God forbid!!!!!)/ |
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jamace (m)
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Are you sure you're not ma twin brother?
You're always getting those your from ma mouth, ma hearth/
You're interestingly sensible upthere! Yea, this issue of corruption is one of Nigerias main problems. Unfortunately, people pick on the petty thieves while those stealing elephants are hailed and called honorables/excellencies. If corruption is to be fought hands down, the leaders must lead with clean hands. It is these leaders that can enforce compliance to doing the right things. It will be difficult for the ordinary citizen to do the right thing when those who are the custodians of law do the opposite. Therefore, while we see the spec in the policemen's eyes, we should endeavour to remove those logs from our leaders eyes to enable them see clearly and to lead us rightly. |
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Kobojunkie
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Of course, they are justified in their vices. . . . . .
How do you expect a man with family to survive on £50 a month?? Think about it.
If you are one of them, you would collect more than bribe.
The head has to be cleansed first before you deal with the lower level.
If the head remains corrupted, nothing would change!!! Ok. Frowned upon ma ass. . . . . .
Were you not born during Lawrence Anini's saga in 1985?? That was 23 years ago.
Who was supplying the robbers in Benin the arms and ammunitions they were using to kill people?? Are you an ignoramus??
Was a Police Chief not indicted in that case?? So what part of frowned upon, and the indictment, as well as the executions that followed are you unable to connect? Who else would they turn to?? Their superiors who send em out to collect bribes or what??
You are really pushing this cluelessness of yours to the hilt. . . . . .
Of course, somebody has to bear the brunt. . . .It's not rocket science. Aarrgghh!!! So for the Nigeria you want, bribery and corruption is justified! We should then accept that armed robbers are justified in their cause as many of them take to robbing people out of hunger as well. And those who get killed, as in the case of those who get gunned down by police for refusing to pay bribe, are just collateral as well. Why else would policemen subject law abiding citizens to harrassment if it's not motivated by HUNGER??
I am not saying bribery and corruption is legit but i can understand the reason why they do it?? Roflmao!!! Even the Courts these days make allowance for drug addicts who commit crime. . . .They know they have to steal to feed their habits.
What is this dude saying here?
A situation where the law enforcers(Policemen) are the ones collecting bribe. . . .how do u fight the law??
They have killed, arrested, detained men like you in the past so you will only make up numbers for them. . .
U won't be the first and you won't be the last if u get shot(God forbid!!!!!)/
I am really done here. Not trying to convince you otherwise. I have already chosen my path, even in this. You obviously have chosen yours. I would rather use the rest of my day for more productive chat, if you do not mind. Thanks for your time! |
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bandiejay (m)
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i dont think nigeria police is completed with there missiopn without Bribe
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A-town (m)
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The fact is that some of them are still sane.
An officer stopped me once and i told him i forgot my license at home and he told me to go without trying to demand for anything. I couldn't believe it and thought i was still in the states.
On the other hand, a bunch of them also stopped me one time and i told them the same story (i obviously didn't have one then cos the one i had expired like a decade ago).
They immediately demanded for settlement. I said i didn't have any money on me and they told me that there are ATMS around. Can you beat that.
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~Sauron~
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So what part of frowned upon, and the indictment, as well as the executions that followed are you unable to connect?
U made it sound like these things never happened 20 years ago. . . . The head of state then was Gen IBB. . . . .so who told you bribery and corruption were frowned upon?? Even before IBB, the main objective of the Buhari n Idiagbon regime was War Against Indiscipline(which included bribery n corruption). Aarrgghh!!! So for the Nigeria you want, bribery and corruption is justified!
U need to dust the cobwebs in your brain. . . . .Where did i say that?? I said the head needs to be cleansed before you start acting like Van Damme to ward off corrupt police officers. I am really done here. Not trying to convince you otherwise. I have already chosen my path, even in this. You obviously have chosen yours. I would rather use the rest of my day for more productive chat, if you do not mind. Thanks for your time!
U are welcome. . . . . However, make sure you know what you are talking about before misinforming the public with your impenitence. . . . |
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Mamajama (m)
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Another question, what does the army or navy does so well that they deserve a better pay than the police who is confronted will tackling crime on daily basis and risking their lives to fight crime?
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Kobojunkie
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The fact is that some of them are still sane.
An officer stopped me once and i told him i forgot my license at home and he told me to go without trying to demand for anything. I couldn't believe it and thought i was still in the states. Going by the reasoning I have seen put forth by some on here, it is likely the case that this policeman is well paid or overpaid, not the same for others who ask for bribe. Hence the reason why he did not request bribe from you. On the other hand, a bunch of them also stopped me one time and i told them the same story (i obviously didn't have one then cos the one i had expired like a decade ago).
They immediately demanded for settlement. I said i didn't have any money on me and they told me that there are ATMS around. Can you beat that.
These policemen are some of those underpaid hence the reason why they demanded bribes. Roflmao!! |
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debosky (m)
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Another question, what does the army or navy does so well that they deserve a better pay than the police who is confronted will tackling crime on daily basis and risking their lives to fight crime?
Perhaps you should go and 'stand up' to the Army or Navy then, to ensure they give their salaries to the police. Come back and give me the response if they don't blow you to smithereens or beat you up and strip you naked. @ Sharon stop bothering. She cannot understand the difference between different motives achieving the same outcome or how something can be UNDERSTANDABLE because of the circumstances but not right. Facing armed policemen will never solve the problem, in the same way telling an ARMED robber that what he is doing is wrong will not stop thievery. You need to speak in a language they understand - ORDERS AND COMMANDS from their superiors. Bland statements like 'standing up for your right' is what she keeps using. Face policemen under a dark bridge at a check point abd begin to say nonsense. You might visit your creator if care is not taken. Going by the reasoning I have seen put forth by some on here, it is likely the case that this policeman is well paid or overpaid, not the same for others who ask for bribe. Hence the reason why he did not request bribe from you.
These policemen are some of those underpaid hence the reason why they demanded bribes.
I don't know if you are really this clueless or are just making an argument for the fun of it. The existence of a FEW GOOD EGGS does not mean that the police force is underpaid and many resort to crime/extortion out of NEED. Even in the WORST of situations there will be good people, just like in the BEST of situations there will be good eggs. You cannot look at the few outliers or exceptions and use then to determine the OVERALL or GENERAL malaise of poor conditions of service, morale and other ills in the service. There are never singular explanations for everything. Definitely there are GREEDY policemen, but knowing the actual state of things on ground, how many people GIVEN A CHOICE would want to be standing on the street extorting 20 naira from danfo drivers?? |
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~Sauron~
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@ Sharon
stop bothering. She cannot understand the difference between different motives achieving the same outcome or how something can be UNDERSTANDABLE because of the circumstances but not right. Facing armed policemen will never solve the problem, in the same way telling an ARMED robber that what he is doing is wrong will not stop thievery. You need to speak in a language they understand - ORDERS AND COMMANDS from their superiors.
Bland statements like 'standing up for your right' is what she keeps using. Face policemen under a dark bridge at a check point abd begin to say nonsense. You might visit your creator if care is not taken.
Kobojunkie is a she??  I guess that explains a lot. . . . |
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cvibe
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Who is worrying about Nigerian policemen again?
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nuzo (m)
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The fact is that some of them are still sane.
An officer stopped me once and i told him i forgot my license at home and he told me to go without trying to demand for anything. I couldn't believe it and thought i was still in the states.
Do you think the officer did the right thing by letting you go? So, if it was in the states, a policeman would let you go if you were driving without driver's license?. . . . jeez. On the other hand, a bunch of them also stopped me one time and i told them the same story (i obviously didn't have one then cos the one i had expired like a decade ago).
They immediately demanded for settlement. I said i didn't have any money on me and they told me that there are ATMS around. Can you beat that. This is the reason why nigerians are to be blamed. How could a car owner be driving for over a decade without a driver's license? You should have been arrested on the spot. @topic NPF is very corrupt and brave while the nigerian civilians are not only corrupt but a bunch of born cowards, hypocrites and sycophants. |
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Kobojunkie
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Do you think the officer did the right thing by letting you go?
So, if it was in the states, a policeman would let you go if you were driving without driver's license?. . . . jeez.
Actually, Yes. It is not a crime to forget your license at home. Depending on your record, you might be given a warning, or told to report with it to the court to clear yourself. This is the reason why nigerians are to be blamed. How could a car owner be driving for over a decade without a driver's license? You should have been arrested on the spot.
@topic
NPF is very corrupt and brave while the nigerian civilians are not only corrupt but a bunch of born cowards, hypocrites and sycophants.
roflmao!! |
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