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lanrekoya (m)
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yes Student can start patronising the nigerian universities, but how many of the universities are ready to give admission to some kind of people, in UK even if you have F9 parallel from here you still fit in a position in their institution, talk about mature students from age 21 upwards that have been outta school for long probably because of the fact that they couldnt get enough funds to carry on and had to do some funny works to raise Money, in the United kingdom theres still a position for such people.
But here in Nigeria, everyone wants to see his fellow human suffer all because they are in one high position or the other(Educational sector basically).
In conclution I will say the Nigerian UNiversities of today needs a new set of rules and some replacement in their offices(removing people with just OND from the Highpost in the education sector)
you re all blesses
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Donzman (m)
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Ok, my brother just got a visa to study in the U.K. and they actually called his sponsor 2 days before he was approved to confirm that he's sponsoring him. So they actually look over the applications as opposed to what people are claiming here. Or was my brother just lucky to meet a good liaison (sp?) officer?, Either ways, thank God and there's hope for you if you get your documents right. Infact, just choose someone in Nigeria who has a business to claim to be your sponsor under his business account and you'll be more likely to be approved. They trust legitimate business accounts as opposed to individual accounts. Good luck to anyone wishing to apply.
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Blue2 (m)
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Congrats Donzman! As one of the success stories I guess we all have a thing or two to learn from you! To those prospective student visa applicants I have couple of advice for you: 1. Apply early; Nigerians are always fond of doing things at the last minute. If you school is to resume in Sept for example, make sure you begin to apply for your visa as from last week of May. Believe me these ECO (Entry Clearance Officers…, those little demons that decide your fate) are swarmed with tonnes of applications in August and chances are that the guy has less that 5 minutes to look through your documents and make a decision! Consider that this guy has to look through 1000 application a day and God help you yours comes in when hunger or tiredness begin dey worry am! So apply early, not only would your application be addressed by a more relaxed ECO, you would also have the benefit of time if you have to appeal any wrongful decision! 2. Make sure your sponsor's documents are genuine and they speak for themselves. As to the issue Donzman rose about having a sponsor who has a business account, my brother i know you were lucky, I have had this argument with friends b4 i.e. Personal/Business account which is better to use. My view is this, much as I am not against business account; it comes with its baggage. You would have to explain to the ECO why your sponsor is suing his business money to pay for your fees and living expenses. You would also have to get a letter from the board of directors giving their consent for the use of company’s fund to sponsor you. you also have include the company’s recent tax clearance and considering that most Nigerian companies under declare their profits in order to evade paying taxes, the problem might arise that despite having a healthy bank balance the evidence from the flawed tax certificate would be showing that company isn't making much profit! I have seen a case of a company that had 179 million balance and the company was making less that 234,000 naira profit per annum. How does that kind of company pay for a fee of 10000 pounds and living expenses of 7000 pounds, na there wahala go start! on the other hand though personal account in my view is less problematic, the money is yours and you don't need to show reason why the fund is been used to sponsor the candidate in question. Also you don't need a tax clearance all you have to show is that your sponsor has a steady source of income which can adequate take care of your school fees after he has met his own personal expense. 3 Please fill your forms properly read and re-read it over and over again. Give it to someone who has a strong grasp of English and make sure your answers are concise and clear, this is especially true of the student questionnaire. 4. if it is possible pay all your bills i.e. school fees and living expenses before applying for a visa. if you can't do this then take the next option of paying all your school fees. 5. Pray and if God says that is your way that Good luck. i have seen cases of people who paid full tuition and living expense and the embassy officials came up with the usual line of , On the balance of probability, But in that case after a reapplication the embassy realised their stupidity! I can be reached on amoto2005@yahoo.co.uk  |
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MIZIEYA
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Ignorance is bliss?
Actually I don't perceive it AS a scam.
What I might agree with is that the system is a little discriminating- but then on the other hand I wonder is it?
Education visas are no different from any other visa- the main reason why applicants are refused is because they don't have the qualifications: the English is poor for instance; or they don't have a strong case this includes financial. I was born and bred in Britain, Wales and am quite thankful that there are rules and regulations regarding visas of any description: there is a large proportion of men and women who apply for education visas who don't actually attend the university- they simply slip into the UK system and go underground and become illegals.
This actually annoys me.
The real scam here is people applying for a visa and getting it and residing in the UK and doing illegal things. I know a few men from Nigeria who have managed to slip into the UK through one means or another and landed themselves cash in hand jobs and then have tried to con some one via the internet to marry them so that they can stay.
My neighbour who is a lecturer at Cardiff University told me that he knows that foreign students not just African ones Will attend a few classes - and then never be seen again - this is not unique for Cardiff University- this happens all across Britain and elsewhere in other countries.
There are good reasons why rules and regulations and legislation are in place.
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Blue2 (m)
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@ MIZIEYA
Much as I agree that some Nigerians use the student visa as a means of getting into the UK to do other things than study doesn’t remove the fact that quite a number of times the British embassy has been unfair in dealing with prospective Nigerians student applicants. I know of cases where full tuition and living expenses have been paid and yet the embassy still comes up with the same old line… “on the balance of probability….” after collecting £100 application fee they unfairly reject people’s applicants, I can appreciate the importance of their job but they also should appreciate the emotional and psychological damage a rejection does. I know of a case where an applicant was denied a visa inspite of having a Shell full scholarship, according to the embassy that scholarship isn’t recognised by the British council, what BUNKUM!
This guy had to reply and the embassy of course realised their folly and issued him a visa, but this was after paying another £100 for a fresh application, of course he had the right to appeal but we all know that appealing is academic for a student applicant because it can take as long as a year.
Back to your observation that people who apply for student visa don’t have the proper qualification, how then did they get their admission in the first place? Abi did they give the school “egunje” (bribe) to procure it?
One question I am still battling with is, is there a quota for the numbers of students issued visa every year? If as I suspect there is then why are people not informed when this quota is filled? If the embassy still goes on accepting application from and collecting £100 then can’t they be accused of deceit?
I don’t agree with you that the main reason why applications get rejected is because applicants lack good knowledge of English language; I have outlined in my previous contributions what I perceive to be the main cause. Lack and qualification and understanding of English are way down the perking order.
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MIZIEYA
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Blue2 hi,
1 - IELTS (International English Language Testing System) is one of many oral, written and listening exams required by the Visa Standards. It is actually high on the list. It would be insane for an applicant to apply to Germany or China without being able to speak the language,
2 - With every rejection letter there are reasons stating why an applicant failed. A right to appeal is optional it is not always granted. I never go on second hand stories - i prefer first hand in order to ascertain the truth of a matter. Your 'friend/acquaintance' should come online and state what happened to him
3 - Psychological damage a rejection does?, people need to grow up- life is filled with positive and negative aspects- life is about managing problems and over coming them - not demanding a free pass. Without pain - the individual doesn't grow- Imagine if you can how many applicants The visa People examine per day, imagine again how many times each individual application goes through an inspection process to determine whether or not it is Genuine or creates Reasonable Doubt,
4 - There are myriad ways to obtain a visa, fake qualifications, a British mobile phone number that can be redirected to a Nigerian number etc etc- naturally it all costs money. But if there is determination- there is always a way.
5 - The entire process is on the shoulders of the applicant. Bear in mind one can apply to any university and be rejected: are you suggesting that Universities offer counselling services for every single applicant that was rejected all because YOU want the 'Human Approach'? Similarly with the Visa Process, do you want every officer to send through the post a lollipop to every failed application? Again, perhaps a counselling service or candy should be offered to every failed applicant who applies for a job- because YOU want every applican to be mollycoddled, pampered and mothered. That my dear is just not reality.
6 - Bribes: there have been cases where those with money have actually succeeded in bribing their way into a university: think Diplomats,
7 - A quota per year or month or week - that's something to ask the Home Office- I suspect the answer is no, but that is something you yourself need to find out.
8 - You also need to remember that no one owes anyone anything: applications for visa, a job, a visit and so on to another country is fair game for anyone to apply - if it means having to re-apply without a refund then so be it. My motto is: if you want something THAT badly- you won't give up regardless of how many knocks you come across. With all the 419 Scams going on- if I were an official I'd go through every document and chase every lead with a fine tooth comb.
9 - I'm not familiar with the term "abi" - kindly explain it.
10 - Smile and the world smiles with you,
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MIZIEYA
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Sista!!
Hugs and smooches
How are you babes?
- great minds think alike- I was going to send you an email today (Sunday)- saying I had popped into Nairaland: thanks for the link to it- I quite like it here - different vibe. Less hysteria. Or perhaps that's early days?? lol
Yeah I'm everywhere: well almost everywhere: there is a UK Black Forum which is well weird that contradicts itself in how to be a member: I'll keep you posted on that one.
The religious forum is interesting,
Mizieya.
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magragold (m)
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I think Nigerians should learn to look inwards-Africa wise!Since our universities are no better thah post-secondary institutes these days, we should consider better options like South African &Ghanaian universities!
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blasterman (m)
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i beleive that there is some sort of scam in it beacuse the schools advertise in newspapers and even come to nigeria to offer students better education and the embassy know they wouldnt give all the students who applied even if you pay your full tuition, accomodation and feeding allowance. Isnt the school better to acess their english fluency or whateva standard your using to acess their englishability .The thing is most people students here would love to have a british education because nigeria is an english speaking country and its far better than the nigerian standard of education,also nigerian employees tend to pay british tutored students better by placing them higher than their nigerian couterparts.
the scam is existing and this happened to me b4, i had to secure my accomodation which is a requirement for student visa and by securing my accomodation i paid over 300 pounds as prepayment to the university.Ok then i was refused but then i wanted to collect my money back from the accomodation i was told its non refundable , after being bombarded with different kind of letters from the school that i have to pay for it and bla bla ,
their is an element of scam in it and the embassy is no english school and they dont advertise to be one,if the school requires ielts they should say so but they dont , they say ssce or waec is ok,
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MIZIEYA
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Blaster - Perhaps its a cultural thing? But I find it useful reading from top to bottom what is required of me as an individual if I need to fill in an application form whether it be a job application or joining some crazy Occult Group like christianity: i always read the fine print. There is so much disinformation about rules and regulations regarding education and visa- its high time some one set the record straight-
I advise everyone to check things properly before making mistakes: regarding money- there is always, always information regarding finances and of course it is going to be non refundable. Its simply a case of either being lazy and not reading the documents sent you or being diligent and clued up on what is actually what.
Read the links below- they are from my own City's University - fabulous Cardiff.
Advice about filling in form VAF1:
- In Section 1 of the form, you are asked to tick to indicate what type of entry clearance you applying for. You should tick the box that says "student"
- Q 5.6 asks you to give the addresses and telephone numbers of all the places where you will be staying whilst you are in the UK. If you do not know exactly where you will be staying yet, do not worry. Students do not have to show that they have accommodation booked before being issued with entry clearance. Students simply have to show that they have enough money to meet likely accommodation costs.
Are you sure you applied to a REAL university?
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/for/prospective/inter/study/finances/paying.html
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/for/prospective/undergradrecruitment/accommodationstudentservices/p3181.html
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/for/prospective/inter/study/arrive2006/visainfo.html
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MIZIEYA
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Question:
If people don't understand application forms,, how the heck do they expect to understand exam questions?
<exits stage left>
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Blue2 (m)
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@Mizieya
Fine comments! I respect and agree with most of what you wrote but i don't have much time online right now, just to add a few comments. Yes i agree there are some dubious nigerians whose aim of going to the UK isn't to study, but my brother there are real genuine cases that do not receive proper attention. I want to refer you to Rueben Abati's Column on Sunday's Guardian 1st of Oct, maybe that might give you an idea of what i am talking about. The story there typifies the cases i refer to.
Thank you
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MIZIEYA
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Hi Blue, thanks for the article,
Ummm, I read the article and also the varied comments about it and have to say: what has the girls story got to do with gangsters, rapists and so on? Mr Abati loses the plot and is basically insisting that every visa should be given a stamp of approval. The real NEED here is to improve Nigeria: from Health Care* to Education to standard of Living and of course economy.
http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/index.php/content/view/3977/55
The article aside: it still comes down to meeting the visa requirements: and they clealrly were not met. No scam. No conspiracy. Just a simple case of applying for something and failing to get it- hence blam,ing everyone else except the applicant.
* ideally a health care working model based on the NHS in the UK - this would benefit everyone from Gambia (I love Gambia) to Nigeria.
<resumes meditating>
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vodkat
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THERE IS SCAM GOING ON AND WHOS BENEFITTING THE EMABSSY OR THE HOME OFFICE, HOW WILL YOU SAY A PERSON WHOS PAID ALL HIS SCHOOL FEES,PAID HIS ACCOMODATION FOR THE SESSION AND SHOWN HE HAS MORE THAN ENUF MONEY WITH HIM BEING REJECTED A STUDENT VISA, DOESNT MAKE SENSE .HOW WOULD U FEEL MIZIEYA IF U DO ALL THIS AND STILL BE REFUSED A VISA BASED ON PROBABILTIES (THIS IS A WORDING GIVEN TO THEM TO USE BY THE HOME OFFICE) THAT YOU WOULD GO BACK TO HOME.
THE PLOT IS LET THE APPLICATIONS FOR STUDENT VISA INCREASE .THEY SHOULD MAKE IT A LOTTERY IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH DOCUMENTS STUDENTS SUBMIT.
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MIZIEYA
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HOW WOULD U FEEL MIZIEYA IF U DO ALL THIS AND STILL BE REFUSED A VISA
I was asked a similar question by someone who asked me how would I feel if another country bombed the UK killing everyone: my reply was: Death is the least of my fearscapes- you are free to read into that as much as you will. A visa application is no different from applying for a job. One either gets it or one doesn't. Just because you fail in getting a visa this time around doesn't mean that it's the end of the world. There are opportunities for you to try again. If you want something that badly- you simply don't give up.
Basically as I opined earlier: if you think that the home office and every university in every country should give you a free pass - then you are incredibly naive.
The Blame Game doesn't cut it with me.
As I have opined quite clearly,if you don't meet the requirements of the visa standards then clearly you have missed something- my advice go through the checklist that the rejection letter put forward and try again next time.
If you're that concerned regarding the monies of the fees and where its going: do some research and check it out: like all administration costs- it generally comes from the Jane and Jon Doe Public Personal Pocket Fund. However if you have no qualms donating money to christian charities then you shouldn't have any problems paying an entry fee into a foreign land in order to get your application processed.
When I visited Gambia - I had to pay some kind of fee, if I visit Nigeria there is a visa fee to be paid- do you hear anyone complainng about it? Nope.
The home office and University are not working in partnership- they are two (2) seperate insitutions. Regardless of where you apply in any country in any land you will have to pay tuition fees. If it means travelling abroad to enter university then you will have to pay for a visa regardless of whether you are turned down or accepted.
Bear in mind not every country requires a visa for entry,
It costs £50 to get a passport and £50 for a visa in Nigeria- in fact if you look at the Home office requirements the visa and passport fee is based upon each individual countries currency which regarding Nigeria and the rest of the African continent works out cheaper to do so there than it does in the UK- the UK charges £90 - it may be £100- your point?
You say make it a lottery: well by all accounts it aleady is,
I agree that the system is unfair but I also agree that it is necessary.
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vodkat
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I WISH I COULD SHOW U THE PAPERS HERE YESTERDAY .NOW ANYTIME I SEE STUDY IN THE UK ADVERT IT REALLY MAKES ME SICK.
AND IT COSTS 100 POUNDS TO APPLY FOR STUDENT VISA AND THEN BOUT 50 POUNDS TO APPLY FOR THE PASSPORT.
I SHOULD HAVE NAMED IT STUDY IN THE UK SCAM.
ITS JUST TO HELP PPL WHO WANT TO STUDY OVERSEAS TO THINK AGAIN AND MAYBE LOOK ELSE WHERE IN EUROPE ,ASIA OR AFRICA ,I HAVE A FRIEND WHOS HAS ABOUT 16,000 POUNDS IN THE SCHOOL ACCT BUT WAS REFUSED.
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Donzman (m)
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Am I the only one utterly disgusted at MIZIEYA?, This guy acts as if the British embassy do not reject applicants even if they have perfect documents. Applying for visas here is like lottery, you just put it in the hands of God after doing the best you can to get your documents right.
My brother used the same documents to obtain his visa while my cousin who is going for graduate studies was rejected a month earlier, think about that for a moment!
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MIZIEYA
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Donzman:
1 Am I the only one utterly disgusted at MIZIEYA?,
2 This guy acts as if the British embassy do not reject applicants even if they have perfect documents.
3 Applying for visas here is like lottery,
4 you just put it in the hands of God after doing the best you can to get your documents right.
5 My brother used the same documents to obtain his visa while my cousin who is going for graduate studies was rejected a month earlier, think about that for a moment!
Mizieya:
1 Probably not.
2 Since when did I say the British Embassy does not reject applicants even if they have 'perfect' documents? I have stated its an unfair system,
3 Applying for visa IS The Lottery not like a lottery.
4 Obviously god doesn't have big enough hands or brains or influence in worldly matters - perhaps god is simply not qualified as a god to influence people?
5 Your brother used your cousins papers? Or vice versa? Could you clarify what exactly point 5 means if not for me but for yourself.
6 are you residing in Britain or Canada? Or orbiting the planet in the Mothership?
I await your devestating response with baited breath.
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Donzman (m)
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My brother and cousin applied with the similar sponsorship documents with different passports ofcourse. None had any criminal record whatsoever, brother was approved but cousin wasnt't, doesn't the system flat out blow?
I reside in Canada and no, I'm not into orbiting whether in dreams or in reality.
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MIZIEYA
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dom,
interesting as your explanation was- I would love to see exactly why your cousin was refused, for a guess it was to do with finances.
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Donzman (m)
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Why was she refused due to finances and the same document was used to secure a visa for my bro.?, The deal isn't even about enough money being in the account, the deal was that the 2 directors of the company they used was supposed to sign the sponsorship letter. Obviously one wasn't enough for my cousin but it was for my brother.  |
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MIZIEYA
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<Smiles>
Don - Poor baby
Its clear: the info wasn't the same:
My neighbours who are pakistan but were born in Nigeria has a nephew who was refused a visa last year to come to the UK, he was a student and apparently the people who processed his application conisdered him to be a potential terrorist. My neighbours just shrugged their shoulders and said "oh well, he'll apply again and get it" however the interesting thing is that prior to that application he had been granted a visa to visit his relatives here in Wales.
Your point and grudge is really touching my sympathetic heart- if i had one.
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Donzman (m)
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You don't have to feel sorry for me man, just telling you that you know nothing about the circustances in Naija , so quit typing out 20 page essays like you're doing.
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MIZIEYA
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Actually because I can dispute means that I know something:
However my stance has always been "tough, try again and get the formulai correct."
I don't tolerate men or women crying online or offline just because they feel some imagined injustice is going on- and its evidently clear your story is filled with holes - more importantly real proof would mean producing proof not hearsay. I prefer facts that are presentable.
You're just one of many blacks that need to blame the white guy instead of taking on self responsibility- get over it.
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Donzman (m)
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Where did I blame the white man for anything?, Already getting defensive my man?
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MIZIEYA
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Hardly defensive. But so far that is the sentiment of your diatribe.
Did that move the earth for you?
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Donzman (m)
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Well, you're flat out wrong. You came in here with preconceived notions, expecting me or someone else to be blaming the white man so you can put up a rather unfortunate defence. You've been exposed, now leave and let people without agendas discuss their meaningful opinions. I saw the preconceived notions behind you rants like 200 pages ago. I was just waiting for you to let up so I can expose your sorry ass. You didn't come here to deliver meaningful advice, you're here to let nairalanders know that they're the ones messing up and not the embassy which is flat out wrong
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MIZIEYA
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<Chuckles>
To be honest I don't believe any of the hardluck stories - and the examples i've been given just sum up the whole "i didn't read the foot notes" scenario.
I give you permission to continue feeling sorry for yourself.
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Donzman (m)
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My friend, I'm in Canada studying and don't wish to visit the UK at the moment so I'm not feeling sorry for myself for any reason whatsoever. I feel sorry for you on the other hand for being a tool used to spread agendas. Get a mind of your own, stop being an agenda vendor. In the nearest furute, they'll develop a computer program that will be able to do your job even more effectively. Seeing how you can't even hide the ugly preconceptions behind your argument from a common man like me.
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MIZIEYA
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Don:
1My friend, I'm in Canada studying and don't wish to visit the UK at the moment so I'm not feeling sorry for myself for any reason whatsoever.
2I feel sorry for you on the other hand for being a tool used to spread agendas.
3Get a mind of your own, stop being an agenda vendor.
4In the nearest furute, they'll develop a computer program that will be able to do your job even more effectively.
5Seeing how you can't even hide the ugly preconceptions behind your argument from a common man like me.
Mizieya:
1 I don't recall giving you permission to call me 'friend'
1a) I'm surprised you can connect with a feeling.
1b) Was it difficult for you to get into Canada?
2 Don on a scale from 1-10 how 'sorry' do you feel for me?
2a) whose agenda am I spreading? And am I getting paid for it?
3) By getting a mind of my own does it have to be modelled on yours?
4) A computer for the work I do- that will be interesting. Plugging my mind directly into computerland to do music- an interesting notion. Hopefully not a computer running on microsoft otherwise it will crash whenever I have a subversive thought
5) Ugly Preconceptions, by that you mean because I do not agree with you wholeheartedly.
Oh don can you forgive me for not being you?
<blows nose>
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Donzman (m)
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It wasn't difficult for me to get in here, thank God. I graduated from secondary school in July and by September, I already had my study permit and came here to start school. Sucks for you, doesn't it?, Your jokes are extremely lame, you've been exposed so leave and stop wasting bandwidth on Nairaland's server. Stop messing around  |
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