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mrmayor (m)
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Havila, Faith requires believe or acceptance of an event outside a known fact,your believe that Olorun and Jehovah is not supported by either archaeological or written evidence,you just choose to accept it as such. White men came to Africa and sold them the idea of a Supreme who created the world as we know and the Africans said we have a name for this God,whom they reverence so much that they do not say his name,hence the myriad of African names for the Christian God. How can the Jews and Christians be serving the same Jehovah if the Jews don't believe that Jehovah has a son called Jesus? Question: What is the derivation of the word "Allah"? Some scholars say it derives from al+ illah ("the God"), but many Muslim Ulema and translators of the Qur'an (such as Maulana Muhammad Ali) disagree with this, and say that "Allah" is whole in itself, as a proper name for the Supreme Creator. But is there any philological relationship between Allah and other Semitic terms for "God" such as Eloah (Hebrew) and Alaha (Aramaic/Syriac)? Thank you. Peace and blessings of Allah be with you. Answer: Although a lot has been said about the philology of the word 'Allah', however, in my opinion, the former of the two opinions noted by you seems to be closer to the correct one. A detailed discussion compiling the opinions of various scholars of the Arabic language regarding the origin of the word can be seen in "Lisaan al-Arab" under the word "Aaliha" (a-l-h). In my opinion, 'Allah' is an Arabic word meaning 'the God'. According to the general principle of making proper nouns from common nouns in the Arabic language, the word "ilah" (common noun) has been converted to "al-ilah", which became "Allah" due to the turgidity and the slight difficulty of pronouncing the word "al-ilah". The Qur'an, because its prime and first addressees were the Arabs, used the word "Allah" for the Supreme Being, as that had traditionally been the word used for the Supreme Being in that language. The same had been the case in the older scriptures. Those scriptures, like the Qur'an, used the particular words for the Supreme Being, which were already in vogue in those languages, to refer to the Supreme Being. However, there have been scholars of the Arabic language who ascribe to the opinion that "Allah" is the actual name of the Supreme Being. It is indeed important to analyze the evidence that they have provided to support their opinion. Nevertheless, I feel that to give God a name is a requirement of us, humans. God, being the absolute being is in no need for a name. 3rd January 2000 Source. http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=69&sscatid=8Please note that the writer states that the word Allah is the word used in describing a Monolithic Supreme God,my question is this Whats the difference between the Arabs and Africans describing the Supreme God in their own languages?maybe they are speaking in tongues Allāh is the Arabic language word referring to "God", "the Lord" and, literally according to the Qur'an, to the "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" in the Abrahamic religions. It does not mean "a god", but rather "the Only God", the Supreme Creator of the universe, and it is the main term for the deity in Islam. Most Arabic-speaking Muslims, Christians and Jews (including the Yemenite Jews, several Mizraḥi communities and some Sephardim) use "Allāh" as the proper noun for "God". Allāh is found in the Qur'an and in Arabic translations of both the Tanakh and the Gospels and even in the Indonesian translations of the Bible. Outside the Arab world, the use of "Allāh" is associated with Islam, and is used to refer specifically to the Islamic concept of God. It is the same as the Jewish conception of a single God[1][2], but differs from the Trinitarian Christian conception of God. Islamic scholars often translate "Allāh" directly into English as "God", especially Qur'an Alone Muslims. Other scholars feel that "Allāh" should not be translated arguing that "Allāh" is the term for "the Only God" in a glorified pronunciation. This is a significant issue when translating the Qur'an Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllahI'm no Crusader or Jihadist,you guys can fight yourselves for all I care
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Aggressa (m)
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Mr Mayor, I feel like I am talking to a wall here, you just don't seem to get it. While abundant achaeological evidences`have supported the accounts of bible stories. In fact all achaeologcal evidences relating to islam points to it being an idolatrous worship of the consterllation, sun, moon-god and stars except the ones plagiarised from the bible. Again, I will say the sense of the discussion is WHO you are referring to by a particular name. You see, worshippers of 'obatala' (a deity in yoruba land) know WHO they are worshipping. An 'obatala' worshipper can call obatala his or her god but we know that god is NOT the living God-Jehovah. Same an Okija priest can call the deity in the forest his or her own 'Chi' because that is his/her belief, but that does not mean it is same as Jehovah. Yoruba Christians therefore call the living God Jehovah in our language 'Olorun' i.e Oluwa awon orun (Translation: owner of the heavens)
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babyosisi (f)
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Another example,amadioha AKA god of thunder worshipped by some Igbos. Assuming mohammed had arived in Igboland,conquered us and elevated amadioha to be God above the other gods and the thunder sign his symbol,he places the thunder sign on the left and commands all to look over their left shoulders as they pray. With time the name amadioha becomes synonymous with almighty God and the pagans converted call him so,afterall they had no other name for God.
Do you now get it?Mrmayor. That is similar to what Mohammed did. allah was one of the deities worshipped by his quaraish tribe,it had 3 daughters which they eventually got rid of. The allah idol was placed in mecca and it's worshippers faced the east and prayed 5 times a day to it.
Mohammed only raised his status. Muslims sill perform animal sacrifice at Mecca till tomorrow Used to be done on the black stone(Kabbah) years ago just like the idol worshippers did.
Islam is glorified pagan worship.
Get the book satanic verses by Salman Rushdie and see the occultic verses they took out of the modern day Koran.[b][/b]
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mrmayor (m)
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Can you provide any archaeological evidence to support that Chukwu,Chineke and Obasi are the same as the Jewish Jehovah or Christian Jehovah?
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babyosisi (f)
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Do you know what Chineke means? I happen to be Igbo born and raised. can you translate the word and let's take it from there.
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babyosisi (f)
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hurry please dear. I have errands to run lol
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Aggressa (m)
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Dear babyosisi, I think the guy is just being absolutely ridiculous now; better go do your errands!!
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babyosisi (f)
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Ok off to the stores I go. Take care Havila and continue to trust in the savior and our Lord Jesus for He never fails.
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Aggressa (m)
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Dear All, I am happy that through discussions, presentation of written papers, achaeological evidences and biblical references, we all now understand that Jehovah, the Living God Abraham, Isaac and Jacod, the Lord of Hosts and our Redeemer, IS NOT the Same as allah. Please beware, there are lot of people trying in to say He is in the spirit of interfaith understanding. It is Heresy, and blasphemy, do not subscribe to it. It is a lie from the pit of Hell. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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babyosisi (f)
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Well said. Let him that has an ear,hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches.
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olabowale (m)
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@Babyosisi: I just read your statement of it Muhammad (AS), were to have conquered Igboland. There is no if anymore. Its done. There are still work to do. InshaAllah, you are still one of the needed to be conquered. If you are thinking is by any force, no. It is by good conduct. You will see.
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babyosisi (f)
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please oga olabowole,first you invite me to audition to be one of your 4 iyawos then you declare emphatically that I will become a muslimah by your smooth words. I have told you several times that your sweet talks can make a womans knees buckle but not one that is totally sold out to what she has both seen and tasted. Try again lol
I know many Igbos have turned Mohammedans,many motivated by greed to get a piece of the Nigerian mouldy pie,one of them is a close relative. It is a free world,many Muslims are becoming Christians too and I cannot boast of it for the work is of the Holy Spirit not of any man.
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olabowale (m)
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@Babyosisi: If your an exceptionally beautiful woman, I will not mind it. But to say that Igboland will not become Islamic, think about it again. It is already taking root. Maybe, in afew decades to come, but it a few decades in the history of man. Several decades ago was like yesterday. Afew decades more is really like tomorrow.
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olabowale (m)
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@Havila: You and your crew are telling muslims who Allah is. You are in the hearts and the mind of every muslim, knowing their conception of Allah.
Wow.
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Sista (f)
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@ mrmayorIs Chukwu,Chineke,Obasi,Oluwa etc used by Africans are these names the same as Jehovah or Yahweh?If it is,I need some proofs. Good question Mrmayor. As we all know, there would not be a such thing as religion if it was not for Africa so we have to deal with the origins of these names given to describe the creator. Then we have to deal with why the name change and what is really behind the meaning of all these names the creator now has? I can take a good guess for many reasons in name changes of the creator but I will not deal wit that now. However, Africans need to be dealing with why is the white christian name now Jesus? and why is jehovahs witnesses calling him Jehovah and so fourth. Jesus ain't no African name and jesus was originally and Ethiopian who was born up in the Ethiopian mountains in a cave. The real Jesus was only a revolutionist, but he became the son of god
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Aggressa (m)
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Jesus ain't no African name and jesus was originally and Ethiopian who was born up in the Ethiopian mountains in a cave. The real Jesus was only a revolutionist, but he became the son of god
Nne na wa o! Can you kindly give your reference to back this up. Wonders shall never end on this nairaland sef. Really where did you read this? Are you a rastafarian?("pass the duthcy on the left hand side",  ) I am not saying you are lying, please, don't get me wrong, but kindly provide a reliable, scriptural or scientific evidence to back up your claims that Jesus grew up in a cave in Ethiopia, awesome,, incredulous  By the way, 'Jesus' is not English name, it is the Greek translation of "Yeshua" which is the Aramaic name of Jesus meaning 'saviour'.
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babyosisi (f)
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na wa. This one na tory.
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Ndipe (m)
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Read this link. http://www.menorah.org/allahtrc.htmlAbeg, forget sista, you know she is not a Christian. She is perhaps one of those people who believe that Christianity was brought in to subjugate blacks.
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Chxta (m)
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One more thing (I know I promised not to post here again):
The original Arhamaic word was Ywh. Because the Europeans couldn't pronounce that, they corrupted it to Yaweh, then Jehovah came about some 150 years ago. Nowadays we have Jah. So while we are at it, we could also call Him J. . .
Sheeeesh!
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babyosisi (f)
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? Are you a rastafarian?("pass the duthcy on the left hand side",  ) I Lol. This is sooo funny. Brought back childhood memories.
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Sista (f)
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@Havila
Havila, I have not been reciviing my notifications to responses in topics I contribute to. I am getting together the facts right now and I will be back to answer your questions.
And no, I am not a Rastfarian
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gbade. x (m)
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" Boombaye, boombaye, pass me the kutchie!!"
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mrmayor (m)
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Ndipe,
I've read the link you posted,it makes a good case why Allah and Jehovah are not the same.Please apply the same logic to the myriad of names the Christian God has in African languages.
In translated African language bibles,Jehovah or Yahweh are substituted with an African equivalent,the question is did the translators of these African bibles use a local substitute for convenience sake or is Tamuno,Chukwu,Chineke the same as Yahweh.
There is no need trying to rubbish Sista or calling her names,you have the right to hold your views as everyone else.
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olabowale (m)
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Sometimes I get shocked by the light weightedness of the 'scholars' of christendon on nairaland. They say shalom and attach themselves to tightly to the Jews, a branch of the children of israel. Okay, the total population of the the children of israel. i mean the twlve trubes. I have news for you, the Jews do not care for you. They do not consider you you to be anything. Your support or lack of it, means diddly to them. I know, my lawyers and some of my corporate officers are jews. They call you gentile, a very derogative term, indeed. Yet, the christians claim that they are not worshipping the same God as the Jews, because the jews do not believe that jesus is son of God. But the companions of jesus and jesus himself wre like a sect within the Jewish people in general. They were trying to worship in the same pattern and light as moses and his companions did. But this two groups, the jews and the Christians use the same book, the Bible. Yet they disagree with each other. Within each group, you have splintter groups, etc, etc.
What comes to mind is the verse in the Qur'an which tells us about the jews and christians having the same book, but each group sticking with its own section of the book and completely disregarding the section that belong to the other. So the jews do not even look at the New testament whatsoever. The christians at best only pay lip service to the old testament. They will disregard the commandments like worshipping god alone, and no association and graven imaging. The dietary laws are completely disregarded. Eating of swine becomes fashionable to the christians. Yet, none of the two groups can disproof the above verse from the Qur'an. infact they make it come alive by acting according to yhe message of it. I remember a Rabbi who comes often to the Mosque on Fulton and Bedford in Brooklyn, NY, He said that they the jews consider the Christians as Idol worshippers. They worship a mre mortal. Some make representation of statue of him, or painting of him in a limping lifeless representation. Imagine what you have painted on the ceiling of the sistene Chapel. You have imagery of the cross which a large population hang around their necks. Then what about his mother that the Catholic pray to. Then even in Spain, they are adopting Seidah Fatima Zaras name (RA), and ignorantly attach an unacceptable significance to it. talk about paganism. Better yet, talk about hedenism, if one should go about all the nude paintings in churches and chapels. How can anyone truly worship in that kind of envitoment where nudity is all over the place!
Truly, when the devil has over a people, all kind of evil will seem to be alright. The evilness is masked. Please read about this phenomenon trickery of Saitan in Suratul mariam, towards the end of it. Allah said that He let the devil overcome the disbelievers. those who say that god has a son/child are in this group.
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Aggressa (m)
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,,,,,,,,haaayumyumyum  [a long yawwwnnnnn], story, story, story with no head or tail, what a waste of space. From the mundane to the sublimeRabble-rousing at it's best  . Fela: I want to tell you a story Chorus: No be story oh!! Fela: I want to tell you a story Chorus: No be story oh!
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babyosisi (f)
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Olabowole,olabowole,olabowole. Honey,stop sounding so ignorant. Do you know that the Jews are a race,most today are secular,do not even believe in heaven or hell. Do you know that there are millions of born again Jews who believe that Jesus is the messiah that came and is coming again?
Even the old Jewish writings confirm that Christ was crucified on the cross,they contend that he was not the messiah.
Personally,I know many Iranians and Morroccans who would spit on a Koran if they ever saw one again,I'm talking people who were born Muslims and are not even yet Christians.
The isuue with Islam is not the sex in paradise. some things that every muslim must consider are.
1.What type of moral example was Muhammad it's "prophet" 2.What did he teach,preach and do 3.How did he treat women? 4.what regard did he have for them? 5.what did he say to to do to slave women and what did he do to them? 6.did he kill innocent people? 7.did he raid caravans of innocent people? 8.what did he say to do to apostates of Islam(Kill or behead)? 9.Did he teach,preach and practice violence? 10.Did he violate a 9 year old girl sexually.
You and bellotti accuse me of being obsessed with the sexual prowess of Muhammad,not at all,I bring it up only to maintain that his message was all about sex. He says a woman was just a piece of sexual organ,most women were in hell anyway for not satisfying their earthly husband so the men are rewarded with more sex in paradise.
I say all these to say that He was a violent, sexual deviant. He is no example to follow.
Christ lived a holy, sinless, life. His ministry was all about service,never was there sex involved. Muhammad had women upon women and more women as allah gave unto him. You cannot run away from the fact that this was his main ministry.
I put a challenge to you olabowole,if you refute any claim I've made here,I'll give a Koranic quotation or hadith to support that from Mohammeds own mouth or as reported by his followers in the hadiths. And if they happen to be true,I'll urge that you stop the baseless and confusing arguments.
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Ndipe (m)
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Yeah, they are Jews who believe in the Messiaship of Jesus Christ. They are called Jews for Jesus. Here is another comparison between Jesus Christ and mohammed. Y Read the link below. http://www.carm.org/islam/Jesus_Muhammad.htmAnother question, why is the Holy Bible the bestselling book of all books in the world? Its distant rival "red book of mao' is just short of 1 billion copies in print, while the Bible has amassed more than 4 billion copies in sales. So Valuable is the Holy Bible in our life that it is referred to as the "Good Book".
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Aggressa (m)
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@Ndipe/Babyosisi; Thanks for your brilliant postings. Permit me to add, (for the purpose of those "empty heavyweights" who appear ignorant and confused of our spiritual relationship to the Jews; or others who simply might just be interested) that the "apparent" rejection of the Gospels/Messiah by the Jews is foreordained by the incredible/unfathomable wisdom of God to bring salvation to the whole world as foretold in the "Taurat" or Torah ( Deut. 32 vs 21; Isaiah 65 vs 1-3). Confirmation of this also could be found in the book of Romans, Chapter 9,10 and 11 which exhorts on the Gospel and the Jews. This 3 short chapters will be a good reading to get understanding, rather than being a very emtpy barrel. The revival currently going on in Israel and world wide also 'beareth witness' to the inerrancy of the scriptures.  Oh, I am proud and happy to declare, through the mercies of God, that: I AM A SPIRITUAL ISRAELITE.  'ISRAEL' means "MAY GOD PREVAIL" or "One that prevails or overcome with God" (Ref: Genesis 32 vs 28). It is written that "For whatsoever is born of God "overcomes" the world, and this is the victory that overcomes the world-even our faith in Jesus Christ" (1 John 5 vs 4) Thus every born again child of God is a 'spiritual' ISRAEL or "Israelite" and we are covenantly connected to Jews whether, individually, we agree with the current political situation in middle east or not. These are scripture based facts rather than any mundane, rabble-rousing office banters. In all things, it is always good to get understanding.!!
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babyosisi (f)
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@Ndipe/Babyosisi; Thanks for your brilliant postings. Permit me to add, (for the purpose of those "empty heavyweights" who appear ignorant and confused of our spiritual relationship to the Jews; or others who simply might just be interested) that the "apparent" rejection of the Gospels/Messiah by the Jews is foreordained by the incredible/unfathomable wisdom of God to bring salvation to the whole world as foretold in the "Taurat" or Torah ( Deut. 32 vs 21; Isaiah 65 vs 1-3). Confirmation of this also could be found in the book of Romans, Chapter 9,10 and 11 which exhorts on the Gospel and the Jews. This 3 short chapters will be a good reading to get understanding, rather than being a very emtpy barrel. The revival currently going on in Israel and world wide also 'beareth witness' to the inerrancy of the scriptures.  Oh, I am proud and happy to declare, through the mercies of God, that: I AM A SPIRITUAL ISRAELITE.  'ISRAEL' means "MAY GOD PREVAIL" or "One that prevails or overcome with God" (Ref: Genesis 32 vs 28). It is written that "For whatsoever is born of God "overcomes" the world, and this is the victory that overcomes the world-even our faith in Jesus Christ" (1 John 5 vs 4) Thus every born again child of God is a 'spiritual' ISRAEL or "Israelite" and we are covenantly connected to Jews whether, individually, we agree with the current political situation in middle east or not. These are scripture based facts rather than any mundane, rabble-rousing office banters. In all things, it is always good to get understanding.!! well said
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gbade. x (m)
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Uncle olabs, best u go meet that imam. 't seems u need help with your lines. 
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olabowale (m)
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@Babyosisi:MI challenge you. But our ground rule is that we take the issues, one at a time. Agreed? You bring your evidence and I, mine. If Allah permits me to win this challenge, I hope that you and yours will convert to Islam.
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Aggressa (m)
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@Babyosisi/Ndipe et al, In continuation. Oh, how happy and privileged am I to be a 'Gentile' who is now a 'a child of God' justified though faith in Lord Jesus-- One fold, One Shepperd. Remember the woman who asked for a 'miracle of the bread crumbs?' There are only 2 accounts in the Bible in which our Lord Jesus himself "commended" people specially for their faith; they were both ' Gentiles'. Jesus the Christ declared that ' Never have I seen such a faith in all of Israel.' I say it loud and clear that 'Let the peace of God be upon Israel; and Let the Lord of Sabaoth give Israel rest from all it's enemies round and about, AMEN.' Please always remember to pray for the Jews and the nation of Israel because the abundant blessings of the living God is always upon those who do so, as declared in the scriptures. Read Jeremiah 32 and Ezekiel 34 for confirmation of this promise. And Psalm 122 vs 6 says: "Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem; may those who love you be secure."Also, please pray for understanding, humility and conversion of the 'empty heavyweight's who enjoy the comfort and security of God's own country-USA-but display their hatred toward that nation because it chose to align with the 'people of God'. When they call the USA, Israel, UK etc Zionists, I am happy because they don't even know the meaning of the word ZION. It means "Fortification". Zion is both the city of David and the city of God. However, the word Zion transitioned biblically from referring primarily to a physical city, to a more spiritual context. It is written in the 'Taurat' that "Upon mount Zion there shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions." (Obadiah 1: 17). Thus I am glad to proclaim again that, by the mercies of God, I am a Justified 'GENTILE'; I am an 'ISRAELITE; and I am a 'ZIONIST'. Let all glory be to the living God, the father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has called us unto his eternal glory through faith in His one and only Son. Isn't it a privilege to believe and serve such an awesome God? Believe me, this is NOT allah we are talking about. Anybody who is provoked by these declarations can go to the Bible passages I referenced for more information, clarification, confrontation  etc. But, Let the Spirit of the Living God have His way, Amen.
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