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debosky (m)
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #64 on: March 09, 2009, 07:31 PM »

@ BB

so it would be determinant on a discretionary approval, similar to applying for a visa right? Does this really offer any advantages as such? I'm just curious as to how many cases actually get through this discretionary path.

What would this 'convincing' case entail for you to be granted citizenship by discretion?

Quote from: big_bumper on March 09, 2009, 07:11 PM
 
So if a British born child without an automatic right to citizenship applies for a visa, he/she cannot be refused because that child could have been coming to exercise his right under section 3(1) of the British Nationality Act, and neither would the parents because they have to do the legwork. 

I'm not sure if I agree with this interpretation, but please humour me in my ignorance. What visa would you be applying for? If it was a visiting visa, would that not be an application under false pretext if the intention is to apply for 'registration by discretion' once the applicant arrives in the UK?  Huh

Essentially, from your post it is easier to apply for HSMP or work permit, get that, move to the UK, then get the child registered by entitlement (due to the shorter period involved from entry to approval for the child).

On that basis, is it then really worth the effort of giving birth to a child in the UK if the same rights can be easily obtained otherwise?

Personally, I think it would still be easier to get another country's citizenship like the US if possible.
big_bumper (f)
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #65 on: March 09, 2009, 08:25 PM »

Quote from: debosky on March 09, 2009, 07:31 PM
@ BB

so it would be determinant on a discretionary approval, similar to applying for a visa right? Does this really offer any advantages as such? I'm just curious as to how many cases actually get through this discretionary path.
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Well mon darlink Kiss I have missed you too boo Angry Angry Angry

Applying and being granted a visa to the UK is not/and never been discretionary, because once you meet all the requirement and have not falsified anything, it has to be issued, it is as straightforward as that. The ECO's are infallible beings, so if they get it wrong, you have the right to appeal in most category. The appeal is done before the Immigration Judge on a point of law, and hence he can overturn the ECO's decision if the law was not correctly applied.

Moreoever, the discretionary ground is not only applicable to people whose parents don't have settled status, people applying under the HSMP, workpermit, unmarried partner, born to British father not married to the unsettled status mother btw 1983 and 2006, etc all have to apply under this ground too etc

And once again, a child that was born abroad to a non-British/non-settled parent can apply for citizenship in this country, so why not one that was born here. What are Solicitors and Barristers for, and I know some firms who likes taking on challenging roles like this. Some even work pro bono and it is now also possible to instruct a Barrister directly without going through a Solicitor Wink 


Quote from: debosky on March 09, 2009, 07:31 PM
What would this 'convincing' case entail for you to be granted citizenship by discretion?

I'm not sure if I agree with this interpretation, but please humour me in my ignorance. What visa would you be applying for? If it was a visiting visa, would that not be an application under false pretext if the intention is to apply for 'registration by discretion' once the applicant arrives in the UK?  Huh


To give you one example: Let the child visit once in 3 years if you can afford it, when he/she gets to a certain age, put his name down for a school, apply for a visa next time and state that you are taking the child to exercise his right under the Nationality Act, BINGO Cool You have to explain the child's connection to the UK, where his/her future lies, and add as much compelling circumstances as you can.

And thats just an example, left to me, I don't have the patience for long thing,  I would march right up there, and just go for the jugular, and simply demand my daughter's right. If they refuse to give me, I would take it to the Tribunal myself Wink 

And I agree it can be a tall order and it might be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle but it has been done before and besides you can always fall back on the anything goes HR Act like I mentioned earlier. You are the one wearing the shoe and the one who knows where it is hu
rting so if they tell you to write 25,000 essay wouldn't you jump right in Cheesy


Quote from: debosky on March 09, 2009, 07:31 PM
Essentially, from your post it is easier to apply for HSMP or work permit, get that, move to the UK, then get the child registered by entitlement (due to the shorter period involved from entry to approval for the child).

On that basis, is it then really worth the effort of giving birth to a child in the UK if the same rights can be easily obtained otherwise?


Of course you can do that if and only if you meet the requirements for those categories of visas, but then thats a case of "if wishes were horses innit . . . Cheesy"


Quote from: debosky on March 09, 2009, 07:31 PM
Personally, I think it would still be easier to get another country's citizenship like the US if possible.


Well the OP already has a current visit visa to the UK hence the reason for Hauwa's penultimate post, and I might not be correct here but I think you can only be pregnant for so long, I think it was around the 9/10 months mark the last time I checked Tongue so I doubt she has time to apply for a US visa for now Grin Grin Grin

shapey (f)
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #66 on: March 09, 2009, 08:33 PM »

@ big bumper

I beg to differ. The ECO's are asked to excercise their discretion. Some months ago, my aunt applied for post study work-this was in December, and she was refused because the graduation date was not stated on the letter from her school. The appeal will be heard in mid april. They are asked to excercise their discretion, and some of them just make a mess of the whole thing. This path to citizenship you have just stated has hardly been adhered to. It is almost impossible to get British citizenship in this way. I knoiw this because I have asked questions from someone who truly ''knows''  Wink- you knwowhat I mean. If she really want the citizenship thing for her daughter (or is it son) then she should hurry to the US before Obama closes that route as well. It is easier that way, and perhaps less expensive.

Just a thought. Smiley
big_bumper (f)
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #67 on: March 09, 2009, 08:52 PM »

Quote from: shapey on March 09, 2009, 08:33 PM
@ big bumper

I beg to differ. The ECO's are asked to excercise their discretion. Some months ago, my aunt applied for post study work-this was in December, and she was refused because the graduation date was not stated on the letter from her school. The appeal will be heard in mid april. They are asked to excercise their discretion, and some of them just make a mess of the whole thing. This path to citizenship you have just stated has hardly been adhered to. It is almost impossible to get British citizenship in this way. I knoiw this because I have asked questions from someone who truly ''knows'' Wink- you knwowhat I mean. If she really want the citizenship thing for her daughter (or is it son) then she should hurry to the US before Obama closes that route as well. It is easier that way, and perhaps less expensive.

Just a thought. Smiley


ECO's have no right to exercise any discretion, all they are allowed to do is look at balance of probabilities.

If that was the only ground of refusal, all your Aunty's representative has to utter before the Judge is that the reason for refusal was based on an oversight from a third party. If the onus is not on the appellant to state the date of her graduation anywhere on the post study work extension form, or even if she stated it on the form, but the ECO went with the University's blank page instead, the Jugde would have no choice than to overturn that ECO'S decision Wink

With regards to the acquisition of the citizenship status, I am glad what you said was "it is almost impossible . . ." which means it can be done Wink And I know what I am talking about too Cheesy Its just like those Nigerian customs telling you you are not allowed to carry fish or the DSS/DWP telling you that you cannot claim benefits as a fulltime student unless you are a lone parent Lips sealed

And as for you people bringing up suggestions that the OP should apply to the states, no be dem dey bounce visa applicants pass Cheesy abi you wan make dem soil Lastpages pali with their rejection stamp Cheesy Or do you want them to mistakenly stamp the refusal directly on her British visa Grin Grin Grin


You people are bullies Tongue see as I am having to contemplate and ponder at least 10 times before plucking the gumption to use a smilie Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


@ My Dearest Darling Debo Kiss have I toned down its use or should I go back to the drawing board because my work is not yet done Grin Grin Grin 
shapey (f)
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #68 on: March 10, 2009, 09:02 AM »

@ big bumper !!!!!!!!!!!!!!  WOW!!! I am beginning to think I like you alot. Cheesy Where is the originator of this therad by the way. For all we know, she may have landed here ready to push her baby, and here we are,




Good morning you all, dress nice and warm today, it's cloudy and some blessings by way of rain may fall on us today.  Kiss Kiss
lastpage
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #69 on: March 13, 2009, 01:17 AM »

Shapey, l see that you asked after me! Thank you ma sister.
I am here and reading every line of response, sent-in by good people like you.
Some are scary, some are demoralizing, some are encouraging but in all, they are factual and that l appreciate.

I've never "begin to push" at all rather, l am in a stage where you want to eat bizarre things!
Imagine on a Sunday morning, l commissioned a nice "okro-soup" with crabs and crayfish, which l downed with hot Amala; even the baby inside me could not help but perform a few somersaults in appreciation!

Before l get carried away with the thought of that Sunday meal, l thank VOR, debosky, pataki, including all that responded and most of all "big-bumper" (u posted the most!).
I wish l can get a current "invoice" like the one from Mayday on the previous page. Would really appreciate that.

Concerning those suggesting that l invest the money for my baby and give birth in Nigeria, l know you all mean well but, "E NO REACH"! Lips sealed
I am working, l will keep working and earning in the foreseeable future so l still have time to save another five-ten million naira for my child, if need be (assuming naira does not continue to loose value as its been doing in the last one month) but for now, my immediate priority is not to lodge cash for my baby in some bank/scheme that may end-up, ******* ala Madoff-style!

From responses so far, its a long shot that is worth trying. No pain, no gain, if it works out, its worth the trouble, if it does not, nothing spoil, life continues, other options will show-face as time goes-by.

I have learned a lot is a very short time, thanks to the experience of everyone that contributed. I am still 'double-minded', but highly motivated.
I'm keeping my ear to the ground more.

big_bumper (f)
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #70 on: March 14, 2009, 10:31 PM »

Quote from: shapey on March 10, 2009, 09:02 AM
@ big bumper !!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!! I am beginning to think I like you alot. Cheesy Where is the originator of this therad by the way. For all we know, she may have landed here ready to push her baby, and here we are,




Good morning you all, dress nice and warm today, it's cloudy and some blessings by way of rain may fall on us today. Kiss Kiss

Aawww thanks, I like you too, and find you hilarious and funny too Kiss As for the weather, i have given up Angry Hope this year's summer is better than last year sha Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



@ lastpages

You have the right attitude, grab the opportunity with both hands. The same God that provided the means to procure the UK visa is the same God that would make a way for the US visa you are going to use to travel to the States to deliver your next pikin Wink

As for the invoice, google drfoster.co.uk, it will give you the names and numbers and location of all the hospitals in the UK, and to give you the information of the local hospital you need.

What some people tend to do (not advisable IMHO) is wait till the last minute before presenting themselves at the hospital. By law, emergencies have to be treated before any questions can be asked or before questions about ability to pay can be queried, and a woman in labour is an emergency case so . . .
demi2008 (f)
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #71 on: March 25, 2009, 02:40 PM »

@ lastpage u have been given d ans go online and browse give mayday a call and ask
Mayday Healthcare NHS Trust
Mayday University Hospital
530 London Road
Croydon
CR7 7YE
Telephone: 020 8401 3000
www.maydayhospital.nhs.uk
demi2008 (f)
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #72 on: March 25, 2009, 02:43 PM »

from akolawole's mayday bill normal delivery is 905 u cant pay for all d services if u dont get them abi u go pay for CS if u had a normal birth your best bet is 2 give them a call urself £905 is good if its true
lastpage
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #73 on: April 04, 2009, 06:18 AM »

Still thanking all that contributed to my Post.
I appreciate all of ya and when my Baby is born (God willing), l will invite una to come celebrate with me. No Rice, only Pounded Yam with Efoo-riro, with lots of "iruu".
Once again, l appreciate all of you so much and Go bless you  all.
gee9
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #74 on: April 04, 2009, 06:51 PM »

hi
have read everyone's comment and agree with all.
having a baby in the uk without a residency has it's perils, but also it's gains.
have u got a place to stay?
on arriving in the uk u must register with a general practitioner who will then refer u to a hospital,
one thing i have found out in life is to go with one's intuition. i also know that u never know until u try.
also notice that no one has offered a hand of help. all is advice and no commitment.
i can hook u up. but u must not be dubious as this is usually the case with we nigers.
Dis Guy
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #75 on: April 05, 2009, 02:30 AM »

Quote from: gee9 on April 04, 2009, 06:51 PM
hi
have read everyone's comment and agree with all.
having a baby in the uk without a residency has it's perils, but also it's gains.
have u got a place to stay?
on arriving in the uk u must register with a general practitioner who will then refer u to a hospital,
one thing i have found out in life is to go with one's intuition. i also know that u never know until u try.
also notice that no one has offered a hand of help. all is advice and no commitment.
i can hook u up. but u must not be dubious as this is usually the case with we nigers.

she asked for advice, she got advice
and talking about dubious

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having a baby in the uk without a residency has it's perils, but also it's gains.

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[i]i can hook u up

tpia
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #76 on: April 05, 2009, 02:37 AM »

Quote from: gee9 on April 04, 2009, 06:51 PM
also notice that no one has offered a hand of help. all is advice and no commitment.
i can hook u up. but u must not be dubious as this is usually the case with we nigers.

so people are obliged to offer hands of help to strangers posting on the internet? If that's the case, then all the expectant mothers in Naija need to come here for assistance with having their babies abroad. Besides, did the OP say she wants help or advice?

And you yourself are fearful of dubious claims, so why castigating others? Huh



lastpage
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #77 on: June 17, 2009, 11:08 PM »

@gee9
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i also know that u never know until u try.
also notice that no one has offered a hand of help. all is advice and no commitment.
i can hook u up. but u must not be dubious as this is usually the case with we nigers.

Hmmm, Nigerians are a peculiar people and thats one of the reasons, no matter what others think, "if l come back" seven times, l will always want to be a Nigerian (maybe one with dual nationality! Grin Grin but hey, its only our current situation at home thats causing all these running around, things can change for the better!!)

Imagine that "a people can be so nice and friendly" as to offer an "internet stranger" so much useful suggestions and help! All of you are "blessed".
And you gee9, just remain yourself, remain "who you are", its very uncommon to find someone with such a large heart.  You've taken your own kindness to the "NEXT LEVEL"  Kiss Kiss Kiss

Thanks for the offer. I hope l wouldn't need it but IF I DO, l would take you up on it and l hope it would not have "lapsed" by then?
How do l "P.M" someone like you?
I assume you wouldn't say what you can 'do for me', "on air" though it might not be fair on the other people that have been a part of this discussion so far  Embarrassed  , am sure they would want it laid bare but its not my decision, its yours, to make,

About the "dubious aspect", l can not fault you on that, (Eniyan buruku ti ba'yan rere je: Bad people ave given the good ones a bad name).
Your 'worry' actually made me sit back and ask myself that same question: Am l dubious?
I answered myself with a honest "NO, l am not dubious", not even in my nature. 
You know one cant lie to one's self.
Thats the best l can say.





ayomifull (f)
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
« #78 on: June 19, 2009, 06:16 PM »

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ayomifull (f)
Re: Want To Give Birth In U.k Axis: Need Help On Hospital
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