Judas Iscariot - Hero Or Villian?

if the blood of christ was a prerequisite for christian salvation, therefore meaning christ HAD to be crucified, then Judas Iscariot is the real savior because of the role he performed.

otherwise there wouldnt have been any salvation and the christian portion of mankind would have been doomed to eternally wallow in perpetual sin.

in the bible it says the entire saga of christ's birth in the manger, his wanderings, preachings, death and ascension were all preordained long before earth was created with the knowledge of christ himself.

now if that be the case, jesus knew well before the Seventh Day that a certain Judas was required to play a crucial part in the divine plan to rescue christianity (even though clearly it was actually jews he came to save).

so if Judas was required in a preplanned salvation, how then could he be said to be a villain?

he ought to be celebrated not only as a martyr, but as one who played a vital part in this whole salvation plan. christ KNEW what he came to do, Knew what had to be done (ie shed his blood), knew how this blood shed was to come ( Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him.  .  .  .- John 18:4) and yet neither he nor his father, punishers of Pharaoh's egypt, unravellers of Sodom and Gomorrah, struck Judas down with hale and brimstone. that says a lot.

(but then again one can open a flood of academic debate on the significance of Judas' betrayal of jesus for better or worse in cognizance of John 18:2-9 where Judas didnt need to betray christ; he voluntarily identified himself).

later scribes made Judas out to be a traitor, but is there greater treachery than when Peter denied jesus THREE TIMES?

That's pretty crappy logic.

One could say the same thing about Jesus being tempted - it was necessary for Satan to tempt Him to prove that he was pure, therefore Satan performed a crucial role, isn't a bad guy and was only helping Jesus to move along.

Same goes for the excuse that Judas was only doing a job and that makes him a good guy. Him and Satan are no different in that respect but you wouldn't suggest the latter was a saviour, would you?

I think Judas is a Hero and should be beatified by the catholic church.

He was the catalyst needed for the salvation of christians. If it hadnt been for him, Jesus would still be alive today hence no blood for salvation.
Remember that Jesus did not want to die.



Judas is a hero if what the bible tells us is true.

_{by the way, if Jesus came to earth to die, then why did he run away when Herod was trying to kill him??}   

Seriously, If it hadnt been for Judas, he would have continued evading the mossad Roman soldiers. Despite the nationwide A.P.B that was put out on him, he somehow kept evading capture _{(thereby running away from destiny)} till Judas stepped in, snitched on him, had him arrested, tried and executed.
Remember that it was said that Jesus healed people, which makes him immune to illness nor sickness. He raised dead folks, which means he cant die, atleast he cant die of natural causes. It was either Judas or the highway. Christian should celebrate Judas with a festival of some sort like a christmas, sometime just before easter.

Jesus himsellf has said it all. woe unto the man through whom the son of man is betrayed. well, Jesus had told him several times, but he did not act on time. Jesus prayed for Peter who denied him. if after the warning Jesus gave hime , he had prayed, he could have been forgiven. he was chosen because of his greedyness. he often used part of the disciples money for his personal use. by the time he realised what he has done, it was too late. but his grearess mistake was to commit suiced. if he had asked for forgiveness, he would have been forgiven. our God is a meciful God.

thats pretty crappy illogic.

from the onset we all know satan to be the embodiment of evil with or without the tempting of the christ. the temptation is not a fulcrum of your doctrine (or is it dogma?) in relation to the significance of christ's mission and purpose, which is your salvation.

for this salvation to manifest, his blood had to be shed; for the blodd to be shed, he had to be crucified, and since he was kind of reluctant to get affixed to the cross (fleeing, and remember " my god, why have you forsaken me?" - matthew 27:46 is cry for help in any language, and also remember Gethsemane, where he was so distraught "his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground."- Luke 22:43–44. remember also he instructed his disciples to sell their garments and buy swords with which to resist capture)

obviously christ didnt want to shed his blood however his earlier  covenant with his father for the necessity of this sacrifice of the Only Begotten.

so as Judas was instrumental in carrying the plot to its intended conclusion in the face of christ's reluctance to die we can wholeheartedly say Judas actually saved christianity.

but like i said earlier, John made it quite clear in an alternate retelling of the legend that christ himself identified himself, therefore making moot Judas' perceived treachery.

Not mine idiot. Before you make accusations, try checking up to see if you're talking to a hard-core Christian. You aren't.

So you think that Temptation was not a fulcrum of Christian doctrine? What a laughable statement. Without the Temptation, the story is sorely lacking and is just about as worthless as if you remove any other integral part.


Why not include Pilate in there as a hero too? Or the Roman centurions who arrested Jesus after the last supper? They all played integral parts in your so-called fulcrum.
LOL. Judas was nothing more than a tool of Christianity. Just as you are a tool for making such a dumb statement.

Oh please.

If you want to advertise your smugness that's fine. But if you're just here to advertise ignorance, try not to bore me too much.


According to you, everyone who was involved in the trial and crucifixion of Christ was a hero. And you call me illogical?
But then, what can one expect from a Muslim conversing about Christianity?

I'm also laughing my ass off about you accusing me of recognising dogma when Islam is nothing but one giant system of dogmatic slavery. But then, I guess as you're a drone who doesn't have to think about his religion (you're not allowed to) you have to try to examine Christianity (poorly) as it's the only way you can question any belief system.



A rock? Don't you mean cock?

I've lost count the number of times I've seen imbeciles spout crap like this only to go on and totally contradict themselves just as you have.



LOL. Like the Qu'ran is any better - the ramblings of a drugged up pedophile. Keep shitting in your straw, bro. All of you guys smell just as bad as any fundamentalist Christian.



Hell yeah. But you got something wrong (again). it's not lost on me because I'm a godless heathen. It's lost on me because I'm being addressed by a moron and to tell the truth, I have a short attention span when reading anything written by a dipshit.

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I don't know much about this.So many things in the bible have you raising your eyebrows,especially in the Old testament.But people have been editing and revising biblical content as early as AD 383.I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of things have been tampered with,especially in the OT. Human beings are a seething mass of conscious and unconscious desires and motivations,pride,ambition,hidden motives,loves,hates and overriding self-interest. When handed power,religious or political,all those things are inserted into the mix. Anything that has to be filtered through human beings is often tainted by the process.No  one can pretend to know God's mind. While he is holy, he is also infinitely complex, and we cannot reverse the order and create him in our image. We cannot whittle him down and fit him into a round hole. We cannot turn him into what we want him to be,instead of what he is. Maybe I should say we should not, because turning him into what we want him to be is one of the things we do best.

We have been disagreeing about what 'good' and 'evil' is.We don't agree about what constitutes either, we all have our own definitions. We have our own ideas of right and wrong,good and evil. Does that mean God shares our human concepts and definitions of good and evil,right and wrong? Does he consider something good or evil because we declare it to be so?Isn't it unutterable conceit fo us to imagine we may decide what is good and what is evil for God,with the tacit understanding that he is somehow bound by our definitions and must adjust his conduct accordingly?Even if all people agree as to what good and evil is,is God somehow bound to act by what we define good and evil to be?He says No.(Isaiah 55:8,9)
 
Judas was a thief. But the whole thing was never about Christ and Judas. Judases grow wild everywhere. We've all heard of people who would betray someone close to them for reasons of their own; they're in our midst. No, it was between Christ and Satan. When Christ said, "Do what you have to do", he was talking to Satan,not Judas.But the other disciples thought he was telling Judas to go and buy something or whatever. John 13:27/28

As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. "What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him,
 
The thing is, out thoughts and words and actions have consequences. The evil we do have consequences. And sometimes,unknowing,we suffer for things we have done in the past,or things our parents or even ancestors have done or said.(Mattew 27:25, 2Kings 5:26-27,Jeremiah 39:21,etc) Evil must be atoned for. It appears to be an inflexible spiritual law,binding on humans and spirits alike. All of Leviticus is about how Jews may atone for different sins. Sins are atoned for by sacrifice. Whatever discomfort that does our genteel sensibilities must be set aside. Sacrifice is how sins are atoned for. When it's done,the person who committed the evil is then guiltless before God, his guilt having passed to the animal sacrificed.

(Hebrews 9:22)
the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with (animal) blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness

That Christ would die was foreknown by God, and agreed to by Christ. The purpose of his death is to be the sacrifice for all sins by all men for all time,so that when we avail ourselves of it,every single bad thing we have ever done is wiped away,and we do not have to suffer or pay for it in any way. (Hebrews 9,Isaiah 53,etc[/i])  Christ not only knew when he would die,he knew how.[i]To impy that Christ was a victim of events,that he was murdered,is to declare that he is not divine, that he is not the Son of God.Human beings may be capable of all sorts of things,but we are not a match for God. Christ was a powerful spirit being.However highly we may think of ourselves, we actually have very little power.If it was not the divine plan for him to be killed, he would not have been killed. There were attempts on his life,which he casually escaped,because it wasn't yet the 'appointed time' for him to die.(John 10) When the time came for him to be led to his death and Peter leapt to his defence,he told him plainly he would be rescued if he wanted to be rescued,thank you very much. He went to his death because that was the plan with God, for him to die.John 10:18:
 
No one takes my life from me. I give my life of my own free will. I have the authority to give my life, and I have the authority to take my life back again. This is what my Father ordered me to do."

lets not get all this wrong.of course the son of God was destined to die , but it was quoted in one part of the scripture that woebetide he thru whom that will come to pass. Of course God has given each and every1 of a a very great gift and that is the gift of FREEWILL, judas CHOOSE to die  and die he did.every1 of us likewie has that choice to make now and if we had been priveldeged to be born during the time of JESUS CHIRST may have unfortunately been the Judas.thanks i wasnt born then!

The significance of Judas can be deduced from what Jesuse said about the guy himself. In John 17:12 Christ said "while I was with them (the deciples) in the world I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled"