Black And White - We Are One

@ Sista  I am not justifying what they did, I am only trying to explain what their reasons were. I might want to bet that Europeans never knew that we Africans existed before the first set of explorations. The African continent was found as a result of these exploration.Now what I am trying to find an answer to is what motivated those first set of explorations. And the only reason i could come up with  is economical reasons altho I would happy to hear ya own reasons. Y would they need expansion? Same old reason why nations have been fighting against one another for ages. Power! Every kingdom wants to be more powerful than its neighbour and the only way u can do that at time is by expansion.The more territories under ya control the more powerful your kingdom becomes!

U think we did not really need the missionaries? I think that some of the missionaries that came really came for spiritual reasons,, to evangelise Africa just like Asia and the continent of Australia were also evangelised. So the church had their agenda while the state had their own agenda. It was unfortunate that the agenda of the state took upperhand thus dimming the honest work done by some of the missionaries.

@Ynot




Thank you so much, that is what I intend to do.


How are you doing on this lovely day?

@Ucche2nna



How about boredom and the impulse to go up against nature? As you can see, they are still doing that to this day. Trying to get to the moon and probe into space.  Conducting studies about aliens. playing around with chemicals in the lab to see what they will get. Creating chemicals and toxins that will ruin the earth and its inhabitants. Cutting down forest full of trees which humans need for oxygen. I could go on but I think you get the idea. You don't get on a boat not knowing where you will end up for economical reasons.


Something that was already there can not be found.

It's in their nature to be very curious, curios to the point of exploring the unknown. First came their boredom, then came their challenge to nature, then once they discovered these African people and they seen how innocent these African people were in comparison to them, they led those Africans like sheep into slaughter.

To this day, Europeans go out of their way to party with and be in the present of black people, weather positive or negative, they want to be around black people. They have so much fun with black people because they  so real aside from who they (whites) are. White people love to be around black people to partake in their warmth or to observe them.

 Africans did not have to leave Africa because they were bored and decided to challenge nature. Africans were never boring or bored. They were to busy building pyramids, opening the first university in Mali. bringing in scholars from all over the world to partake in the knowledge of the many countless books at Timbuktu. They were to busy perfecting the Ivory bronze and I could go on but you see what I am saying? All that Africans did was of a natural nature and Africans did contribute big time to this world.

 Even on the slave plantation, Europeans expected black people to always entertain them like they expect blacks to this day. It was African slaves who taught Europeans how to dance and play music. Africans also taught Europeans what it is to be funny that is why we have something today called comedy. People are always talking about how Europeans contribute to society but they forget what black people have done and still to this day do. 


Even when our ancestors did this to each other, they still provided the basic needs to those other Africans they conquered. You can correct me if I am wrong on that one.


Do you think Africans needed missionaries?


Some of them did have good intentions but their intentions was based on the premise that Africans needed spiritual guidance, that somehow, Africans needed to be lead like sheep. Why would you evangelize to people who don't need it? Do you see my point?
 

Those missionaries had to believe they were doing the right thing. The only way they could be believe that is to believe that the people they were helping had a problem.

@ Sista hmmmm interesting
Anyways, the leading like a sheep thingy u talked about was not peculiar to the African continent! Whatever impressions that the missionaries had was applicable to the world. they took it upon themselves to evangelise the world of which Africa was one.

Which one sounds more plausible to make someone go against nature,,,,,,, boredom or conquest  The moon stuff reminds me of sth, I read somewhere that there are plans to set up certain "factories" on the moon so as to bring down the cost of production of certain materials (please don't ask me how  ). Anyway that reminded me that is already in practice these days.It is not unheard of American products being assembled in Mexico and China (to reduce the production costs) and then re imported back into America. So that is why I say that the fundamental reasons be it going to the moon or colonizing Africa have to do primarily with Economics.Remenber these expeditions we are talking about were sponsored by the states.Anbd heavily too. Lots of money were poured into making these ships and maintaining them. I don't imagine that a King will sanction these huge expenditures just because somebody was bored or developed an itch to travel! Those kings knew that if their explorers 'discovered 'an unknown land then it is very likely they will regain all their expenses back and more importantly make profit out of that.That to me sounds like Economics at play!

If u want to make a great profit then think i u have to be ready to invest in the unknown. You have to be able to take some kind of risk. Of course they had the general concept ( u can't just go taking uneducated risks) of how this will benefit them in the long run but they went into those ships with no iota of what lay ahead.Boredom alone will not make a whole crew go on some risky expedition,,, I believe that there has to be a stronger motivating factor.

I talked about America using some nations as assembly plants, the NASA talking about setting up shop on the moon and the colonization of Africa all in terms of economic reasons. All these are all methods of expansion which are propelled by the prevalent economics of the day. American products are finding it harder to compete with chinese products even in the states as a result they have to restrategize. The NASA has this idea that setting up shop on the moon will reduce the cost of some products ( ). The first man that went on the moon might have had that itch to travel but the agency that funded his travel are not just merely doing so to satisfy his curiousity but must have had a more stronger motivating factor to do so and if u look carefully those factors must have an economic hue. I think by the time NASA comes out fully with their plans fo0r the moon then u will begin to understand what i mean.

you are wasting your percious time too thinking we will buy your idea of hate and bigotry. all u do here is try to convince every one that the white people are bad, agreed they are bad but who isnt?black people have also shown and demostrated that they can be as bad as the whites in every sect of life.

every day u are always repeating the same thing  that white people came to africa and stole from africa trying to inculcate some kind of negative idealogy and bais way of looking at the white people we know all these things u don't have to keep on telling us it irritates us, why arent u talking about the africans that help the white people in stealing their fellow african brothers/sister and sold them to the white people, arent they bad too? if they had stood against the white people nothing like slavery would have taken place, but because they are as bad and as greedy, with no love and conciences as the whites they helped in selling their own people for selfish reasons.

Black people have demonstrated that they are equally as bad as the whites, happenings all over the world has confirmed that. so why this message of white people being the bad and greedy ones ? black people are bad and greedy too.why all the injustice and hate all over africa?

Just as whites are racist so are blacks too, they are tribalist and what not , if being black can get u killed in europe or the US being an igbo man in the northern parts of nigeria can get u killed as well,  i have lived with a somalian and he told me quite a lot about his country, coming from the southern parts of somalia can get u killed in the norther parts, u can't leave the south of somalia and go to the north and live without fear of being attacked, if they get to find out that u are from the north u will be in trouble so why the rubbish talk about white people being evil all the time? tribalism is just as bad as racism arent nigerians and somalians  black?

Every day u try to convince your self(not us) that white people are greedy and evil but black people have shown they are worse else why will a person steal his whole country's money (abacha,ibb,mobuto,john pierre biemba, eyadema,obasanjo,yaradua,kabila,idris deby just to mention a few of the african leaders that have stolen all their nations wealth) as is the case in africa today? most of the african countries are backwards not because of the white people as u will want us to believe but because of their greed and stupidity, nigeria as the worlds 8th highest oil producing county has failed not because of the white people but because of our greed and theft, over $400 billion dollars has been stolen away by nigerians (not white people) same with all other african countries is it the white people that are stealing there ?NO i will always make reference to the arabs(so called terrorist) most of them got independence after the africans but most of them are now developed(more developed than some of the whites) while we are lacking behind even though the white people are against there progress they are progressing because they are united and sensible.

If you say white people are racist i will tell you that black people are equally tribalist, the genocide in ruwanda was purely a tribal issue just to show u how black people can be so cruel to them selves. the genocide in dafur too is another tribal issue(ethnic cleansining), religious and tribal wars in nigeria, civil wars in kenya,chad,ivory coast,uganda,sudan,congo DRC and the rebbellion in the nigerian niger delta region is purely based on tribalism, greed and theft.

the violence between the AA too is enough to show u how bad, greedy and stupid the black people are too. most of the prisons are filled with AA, just to show you how bad they are.

you are always talking about how the white people brought the idea of the black jesus to subject the black people to seeing them as superiours but i will tell u that the black traditional african religion the blacks were practising before the coming of the whites too has made some africans see them selves as superior to others, subjecting some of them to live in a caste system of living where some are born to rule and dominate while others are made to live as slaves working on plantations and entertianing the high and mighty, history has shown that so i don't know what u are trying to preach here.

instead of talking about the endless problems of the black people in general all u do is try to tell us about some history that happned long time ago with the help of the fellow blacks(slavery). why don't u talk about the issues affecting the black people? like the baby mama drammar in the AA societies and the inability for AA to get good education, or the backwardness of africa as a continent because of the greed and stupidity of africans? why don't u talk about tribalism and black on black violence thats going on every where? why must it be the negative aspect of white people? why not the evil that black people are doing to each other?

Every race is evil, black people have demostrated that they can steal,exploit,enslave,engage in war,deprive,maltreat, exert injustice and kill just like the white people and any other race on earth. your hating on the white people and trying to make them look as if they are responsible for all the evils in this world wont make u a better person niether will it make them stop what they are doing, hate is baggage and bigotry is a stupid thing, deciest from hating and bigotry its a stupid thing to do. black people are not less evil than whites if given the ability , knowledge and power of domination of  the whites black people will do exactly as the whites have done and are doing so go get a life and stop hating. hating is for loosers.

And may I also add that the Europeans have always been intrigued with economic might. I still remenber a quotation I read sometime ago (I  think it was W. Churchill). The quotation says, not in these exact words, that the clout of a country is not determinmed by its political or military might. The clout of a country lies in its economic might.That was the British a la European way of thinking.And happenings have begun to justify that kind of philosophy. The soviet union collapsed primarily due to Economic reasons,,,they had all the military and political might but the union still crumbled under economic burden. I think that Vladimir Putin has realised that and is now investing heavily in the russian oil sector.Russia now supplies almost 80% of Europe's energy needs and he is using that to score major political points in the EU.
What about the Asian tigers like China and India,,,all the leverage they are having now is as a result of their booming economy not their political or military make up. Countries that have decided to pursue the idea of devoting the country's resources to military pursuits are crumbling under the effect eg Iran.

@Ucche2nna
@Shango



Can we really Begin to put ourselves into the shoes of white people? If we can, let us ask our selves this question? why did  Europeans come up with this idea of guns, chemical warfare, cannons and bombs? all of these things kill off the human race especially the chemical warfare which I personally feel AIDS is but that is another story. Any way, what kind of human would think of creating those things and why? When the Chinese came up with the gun powder they didn't use it in the form of cannons or guns. I don't see how killing people off is economically feasible. Also, let us not forget about the Europeans who took over America, they were kicked out of Europe and they consisted of Criminals. I can see why those Europeans took over America because those kicked out Europe needed a place to call their own, for them, that was enough to justify doing what they did. still, they were financed by the Europeans who had kicked them out. That is why to this day you won't hear of America dropping bombs on Europe.

sista u really need help, no wonder the AA are in deep trouble, its because of their stupid mentality and back ward thinking that they are the good ones . instead of accepting things they way they are and trying to do right they spend the whole day trying to prove that the white people are the evil ones how are the the evil ones when the AA are the ones that are all over the US prisons. white people produce the guns but u AA use it the most on each other in the US go and get a life sista bigotry and hate will do u no good.

"all of these things kill off the human race especially the chemical warfare which I personally feel AIDS is but that is another story. Any way, what kind of human would think of creating those things and why?  they "

 i guess its the white people too that told the south african traditional religious priest to tell the HIV  patients in south africa that raping or having sex with a virgin will cure them of Aids , i guess its still the white people that told Joseph Zuma the fomer South African vice president that taking a hot bath after raping a woman with HIV will cure him. Bigotry and hate = self destruction

Sista, what do you look like?

@Masaje


Most of them did fight like the Zulus and the Ashant's. You forgot about them in your attempt to call your own people backward, what a shame. Didn't matter if African people sold their own people or used their spears to fight back with. White people had guns and canons, weather Africans gave them up or not, White people were not leaving without what they came for, black able body's, of men, women and children



Black people can be bad but never as bad as white people and never equally as bad as white people, you are wrong. As far as all the hate you speak of amongst Africans, Ask the colonizers about that. If you can present some history of Africans warring against each other, in other words tribalism before colinsation, maybe I will give it some thought but for now, I don't believe Africans did the tribalism stuff before colonialism, just don't believe that. You as well as many other Africans in Nairaland are young, you think times in Africa began when you were born and when your parents were born. History took place way before then. I don't think I know it all about Africa but if you produce evidence written by Africans, I will accept that.
 


They are brothers and sisters, no doubt about that. However, If I spank my child, that does not mean you can spank my child just because I spank my child. You as an outsider would be violating my child's rights and violating my parental rights. White people are not justified to kill and enslave black people just because blacks do these things to each other. At least Africans kept their own problems to their self, they didn't take their problems and misery over to Europe.


White people have stole much from Africa and black people for many years.
What does the term backward mean? Sounds insulting and typically white brainwashed to me. Backwards is what you think about your country and your people so you must think that about your self, typical self hate?

As far as white people not being the blame for the corruption government, I do blame them. They knew who they left in charge when they left Nigeria. They made sure to put capitalist trained minds and back stabbers in charge before they left. Nigerian government is nothing but puppets for white people. White people will always be able to come back into Nigerian to milk Nigeria of it's goods as long as they have a black back stabbers as their fronts running things as the Nigerian government.



Yes, we black people are so stupid and backwards and primitive, yes we are. I heard you on that one many times.



Talked about that many times in other topics, you missed that or you purposely bypassed it because you felt it was something you already knew. However, the things I speak of in this topic is unbelievable to you, something you don't know and it makes you very uncomfortable to have to feel like what I say may be the truth. You are a very afraid person.

o serious? You've been giving false information for as long as i can remember!


Just a few of the false information you have been peddling! Of course you don't believe Africans did "tribalism" stuff before colonialism, infact on the contrary Africa was divided into fiefdoms based on tribes well before the colonialists came into Africa! How did the hausas and Islam spread into Nigeria? Was it not by conquest? Of course you don't know that do you!

Yeah the whites knew those they left behind in Nigeria, YOU DO NOT! Who are the "capitalist trained minds" they left to rule Nigeria? Tafawa Balewa? What do you know about Nigerian history that you are so quick to try to teach us?

I just gave you two evidences of false information in my last post but in your usual hypocritical way you decided to decietfully circumvent them by asking for "sources". Dear, i studied Nigerian history in school, i am under no obligation to provide ignorant people with proof!

Sorry, i can't be looking for links to such basic information as the history of Nigeria. I do not need to provide proof, every elementary school Nigeria should be able to tell you a little bit of Nigeria's history.

You do not know our peoples, our culture, our history and our politics. Stop sitting in the US telling us about our nation! If you need to learn, please google before u post!

You did "much research" and all you could come up with was the brainless falsehood that the white man left "capitalist trained minds" in charge of Nigeria? Do you know that NO NIGERIA HAS NEVER BEEN FORTUNATE TO HAVE A LEADER WITH A BASIC FIRST DEGREE?

Who are these "capitalist trained minds"? Are they people only Americans know?

Keep wasting ur time asking loafers who probably know more American history than Nigerian history!

When u say tribalism in Africa was not what it was before the white man came what do you mean? Infact internecine tribal wars where more prevalent in the precolonial era than now! The only way the various tribes could advance their borders was by conquest! That was how islam got into Nigeria and spread as far as Ilorin before the British stopped them!

Stop making a fool of yourself! You're 32 for God's sake you shld have better things to do than saying harebrained stuff on the net. don't you have a job, kids or husband?