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Phemzy (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #64 on: March 12, 2009, 01:39 PM »

Its hard to believe, but if he succeed in doing it, then he is the best governor in Nigeria.
olasboy
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #65 on: March 12, 2009, 02:35 PM »

He's sure the best Gov'nor in Nigeria as at today.
I'll tip him for the top job come 2015. There's still lots of things to be fixed in Lagos and it will be sheer politis and waste of time to start contesting for president in 2011.

Let him consolidate on the achievement, turn Lagos to a model city, then look for how to fix Nigeria come 2015.

Pls lets us ensure that pple like Alao Akala do not  become Gov'nor ever again in Nigeria

God bless Fashola, God bless Nigeria
ricadelide (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #66 on: March 12, 2009, 03:17 PM »

The governor's office has issued a rebuttal to the story on the planned IPP. The story is false. Lagos state is NOT building any IPP in partnership with Singapore. Here is a quote from the governor's website:

Press Releases

IPP: Singapore Power Company Only On Exploratory Visit – LASG

Mar 11, 2009 - The Lagos State Government has debunked a media report that it has entered into partnership with the Singapore Power Company to build a power plant in the State.

In a press release Wednesday, the State Government explained that the team from SP Global Solutions, the consultancy arm of Singapore Power Company, was in Lagos last week on an exploratory visit to understand the current power situation in the State.

The Government further said that the team was expected to return to Singapore to consider the possibility of assisting the Lagos State Government to draw up a blue print on improving the transmission and distribution of power in Lagos.

While regretting any inconvenience caused by the incorrect reporting of the issue involved in the visit of the team from Singapore, the State Government enjoined the media to ascertain their facts before going to press.


Source
KunleOshob (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #67 on: March 12, 2009, 03:28 PM »

Quote from: ricadelide on March 12, 2009, 03:17 PM
The governor's office has issued a rebuttal to the story on the planned IPP. The story is false. Lagos state is NOT building any IPP in partnership with Singapore. Here is a quote from the governor's website:

Press Releases

IPP: Singapore Power Company Only On Exploratory Visit – LASG

Mar 11, 2009 - The Lagos State Government has debunked a media report that it has entered into partnership with the Singapore Power Company to build a power plant in the State.

In a press release Wednesday, the State Government explained that the team from SP Global Solutions, the consultancy arm of Singapore Power Company, was in Lagos last week on an exploratory visit to understand the current power situation in the State.

The Government further said that the team was expected to return to Singapore to consider the possibility of assisting the Lagos State Government to draw up a blue print on improving the transmission and distribution of power in Lagos.

While regretting any inconvenience caused by the incorrect reporting of the issue involved in the visit of the team from Singapore, the State Government enjoined the media to ascertain their facts before going to press.


Source

And nairalanders want to kill themselves based on mere rumour  Grin
Dis Guy
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #68 on: March 12, 2009, 03:29 PM »

na wa o, so many proposals, first it was the niger-delta rail link to lagos by some consortium  Wink

All in all he is doing well, if most state government are doing as much we wont be concentrating on the FG
let the states do their bits for the country!
denony (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #69 on: March 12, 2009, 05:05 PM »

Well, before you start mistaking my comment.

Am trying to say we pray that the bumps be transfered to OBJ and his Conaivers,
and leave the action man alone. We all know he is doing great.

Backslider (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #70 on: March 12, 2009, 06:39 PM »

I have said it over and over again the problem is not power generating the problem is HOW DOES COMPANY X, Y AND Z GET THEIR MONEY FOR THE POWER THEY GENERATED?

You think those companies that make generators dont know they can make enough money by generating power? At what cost and how do they get their money. We that we have a culture of not paying light bill in nigeria?

Who will put his money into power generation when they know that they can sell generators to you and you pay cash and there is no more talk of any bills? TRULY SIN A REPROACH TO A NATION.

Our trying to beat corners has caught up with us.

We must build up our power infrastructure that include networking the whole nation to the national grid.
There must be need for us to put a juicy power rate that will bring people into the business of power generation.

IF THERE IS POWER GENERATION THE NETWORKING PROBLEM WILL BE SOLVED. WE CAN DO IT.



roodest
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #71 on: March 12, 2009, 06:45 PM »

sincerely hope it's more righteous pursuit than political bruhaha
MR D (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #72 on: March 12, 2009, 07:02 PM »

dem don come with dem story!!!
Cy4me
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #73 on: March 13, 2009, 02:36 PM »

There we go again, please remember "Government has no business in business".
It will fail, not because the idea is bad, but because the ownner is still government and the people who killed NEPA and PHCN, will be brought in to run it and then same thing will happen to it.

  Please can anyone tell me why the generator of ECN (electricity Cooperation of Nigeria) at Ijora is never used?
deb (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #74 on: March 13, 2009, 04:00 PM »

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@Nuzo
Anybody can be anything he wants to be if he can buy over the media. Tongue

You have never posted anything positive on nairaland
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@Flimes
Another Failed Project!

You probably had never succeeded in anything you did in the past,
that is why you don't believe anything can work?

I give kudos to Fashola. May God continue to bless you with wisdom to lead us right.
After your 2nd term, I nominate you for Presidency.
Sky-walker (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #75 on: March 15, 2009, 05:41 PM »

Quote from: deb on March 13, 2009, 04:00 PM
You have never posted anything positive on nairaland
You probably had never succeeded in anything you did in the past,
that is why you don't believe anything can work?

I give kudos to Fashola. May God continue to bless you with wisdom to lead us right.
After your 2nd term, I nominate you for Presidency.



Since most People in Nigeria dont believe things would work.It wont work.

So enjoy your lives like that.

Its already clear the average Nigerian is used to suffering

larez (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #76 on: March 18, 2009, 11:06 AM »

Norway is a very Oil rich country, yet the future of Norway's power supply does not rely on it's oil and gas fields. Nigeria meanwhile, has very large gas deposits that are now being targeted for supply of power. Industrialization in Nigeria has not begun yet, but we are coming up with various figures on our power needs merely based on today's usage.

We have to remember that South Africa was built on a solid foundation, and were good at futures projections. However, her growth has exceeded those projections and it's power grid now needs more injection. South Africa should be a model for what to expect from Nigerian Industrialization.

Anyone who drives along Bar Beach or any of the coastal beaches in Nigeria will notice the abundance of 3 things on the typical day. These are; Wind, Sun, and waves. Gas powered plants could directly drive turbines or heat up water, which then drives turbines. The process requires equipment that have parts that need servicing more frequently than some other technologies.

Wind Turbines nowadays produce up to 7 Megawatts of power each, and Wave technology has been advanced to a stage where many European countries are adopting it in their power strategies. Solar farms are a big business in the United States and the government gives huge grants to businesses that pursue this technology to provide power. Within the next 2 years, the costs of producing Solar power will be highly reduced because of the emergence of more manufacturers of the parts that drive this process. It is also obvious that when you burn fossil fuels, you will also have a high amount of particulate emissions.

My Question is: What is wrong with our leaders? Why are we allowing Oyimbo to sell us their outdated technologies and continue to proliferate a culture of backwardness in Africa? Are we expected to stay behind in all things? At what point will we begin to try to catchup?

In a way, one can look at the feasibility of Gas fueled plants in terms of the relatively low cost of gas in Nigeria, but have we truly analyzed all the costs? What about the emissions? What about the cost of developing the gas plants that will have to refine the gas for use in the power plants? What about the costs and maintenance of the pipelines to run gas to the power plants?

Nigeria needs to develop a culture of doing complete Life Cycles Cost Analysis of any project that is supposedly for the benefit of the people.

Life Cycle Costs Analysis determines the real costs of these projects through their useful lives or major rehabilitation. Historical probability costs should be included, such as the potential of the pipelines being disrupted. Comparable technology Cost/Benefit factors need to be considered as well.

Norway, as well as most European/American governments never embark on projects without being thorough in their evaluations. It is unfortunate that Nigerians just fall prey to unscrupulous foreign companies who present loads of paper to confuse and fool government officials who are not willing to do the work to read through and understand possibilities. However, you will be surprised to find that in these European and American agencies, there is a large pool of Nigerians and Africans working to build and set policies. The greed and corruption in Nigeria allows a few unread/unqualified looters to determine strategic positions that will affect the future of many Nigerians.

Until there is a freedom of Information act that enables private citizens to act as watchdogs for Nigeria, we shall continue to be flooded with outdated and unreasonable solutions to our issues. We should all make it a matter of principle to become activists in securing the future of Nigeria. We should embark on making sure that we have the right to know what the government intends to feed us for our collective futures. it is only logical that our policies and decisions should mirror those of the countries of the people feeding us our future technologies.

Becomrrich
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #77 on: March 21, 2009, 03:26 PM »

I sent fashola 2 email already but no reply. I know two people with 2 canadian company that can help him. The two people work for the company that produce this equipment even generation and substation equipment. Or any governor in the south that show interest. Finance part of the project would be included. I live in canada. 416 04 5008 country code 01 .com@hotmail.com

And how do lagos temporary solve its NEPA problem.

Here is the solution. I am an electrical engineer. The first thing to do is to have 2 source of supply. which is NEPA and the IPP. Lagos and other state should own the transmission lines and distribution lines in their state. The federal govt should hand over  this transmission and distribution  lines to state. All the federal govt needs to do is generate and sell the energy to the state. And the state deal with the consumer of energy.    I dont have the time today. to explain what i would do if i am minister of energy.


I would remove federal govt from transmission and distribution and state would own it. While NEPA becomes only a generator and seller of energy. They would also have interstate transmission lines. but each state would have its on energy board. Like example the Lagos state electricity power authority [LEPA]  Or Delta state electricity power authority [DEPA] or Bauchi electricity power authority [BEPA], Kwara state electricity power authority [KEPA],  Cross river electricity power authority[ CEPA] , RIver state electricity power authority  [REPA] etc,  .  Their task include to transmit, generate, distribute electricity with thier state.  This is the way it is done over here and in the USA.


The system we operate which is from britain is not the best.  What to do is not for the internet.
larez (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #78 on: March 21, 2009, 03:50 PM »

Quote from: Becomrrich on March 21, 2009, 03:26 PM
I sent fashola 2 email already but no reply. I know two people with 2 canadian company that can help him. The two people work for the company that produce this equipment even generation and substation equipment. Or any governor in the south that show interest. Finance part of the project would be included. I live in canada. 416 04 5008 country code 01 .com@hotmail.com

And how do lagos temporary solve its NEPA problem.

Here is the solution. I am an electrical engineer. The first thing to do is to have 2 source of supply. which is NEPA and the IPP. Lagos and other state should own the transmission lines and distribution lines in their state. The federal govt should hand over  this transmission and distribution  lines to state. All the federal govt needs to do is generate and sell the energy to the state. And the state deal with the consumer of energy.    I dont have the time today. to explain what i would do if i am minister of energy.


I would remove federal govt from transmission and distribution and state would own it. While NEPA becomes only a generator and seller of energy. They would also have interstate transmission lines. but each state would have its on energy board. Like example the Lagos state electricity power authority [LEPA]  Or Delta state electricity power authority [DEPA] or Bauchi electricity power authority [BEPA], Kwara state electricity power authority [KEPA],  Cross river electricity power authority[ CEPA] , RIver state electricity power authority  [REPA] etc,  .  Their task include to transmit, generate, distribute electricity with thier state.  This is the way it is done over here and in the USA.


The system we operate which is from britain is not the best.  What to do is not for the internet.

It will take Legislation to do what you suggest. Federal Government does not want the states to be independent. We have too many self-serving Nigerian leaders who are afraid of any Southern state getting too further ahead than other parts of Nigeria. These people know that Lagos will be unstoppable if it had the Electric power to supply Industrial growth. They will rather hold back Lagos, to give themselves a chance to play catch-up with it.

We have unreliable power supply because certain political giants in Nigeria benefit from the situation. Do you think Oil and Gas companies will survive selling fuels only for Automobiles and Trucks? Do you think Generator importers will still make a living only supplying generators to remote areas? Within the Oil and Generator conglomerates, you will find the saboteurs of Nigeria, and the reason why the sleeping giant stays asleep.
Becomrrich
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #79 on: March 21, 2009, 04:56 PM »

No i do not agree, it is just the lack of understanding of the constitution by the senate and house of assembly. They have more power than the federal govt. David mark and bankole are more powerful than yar adua. but they do not see that.

Read the constitution. Yar adua under the constitution of nigeria is like a homeboy. The senate and house makes the rule how yar adua runs around and carry out thier wish  and yar adua is to carry it out, what ever they say. But in nigeria they still think they are under the military govt. the senate and house believe that Yar adua is like a military govt. He does not have the right or power to make law. Only the senate and house of rep have that power. not him. He is suppose to just be a boyboy to them .
read the constitution. it gives them the power to do what they like. They can scrap the EFCC or any body yar adua created. if they dont like NEPA, they scrap it. Even if they dont like YAr adua. they have the power to remove him.

The senator and reps, just do not know they are the real  power . They are the law. Not yar adua. They decide what nigerian want. Not yar adua.
Becomrrich
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #80 on: March 21, 2009, 05:36 PM »

Look it is to the benefit of the federal govt to hand off the networks in state, i mean transmission and distribution. it as nothing to do with south or north, even it is more to the advantage of the north than the south.

Why do i say so. You do not need too much power in the north.  The real problem of NEPA comes from the south. If you do this. most northern state would have 24 X 7 electricity.

They need little energy. Having a grid system that links them with south create problem for them. But if they are standalone. The northern state can manage it well. they require little energy . But places in the south. kick them off the grid and the north would have 24hrs supply.

state have to own thier own network and connect to the national grid.

Even look NEPA is not making money, this way NEPA makes money, since they are seller of energy. They sell energy to state and the state now sell the energy to you.

If NEPA sell to state , they get paid, if the state sell to people  it is not NEPA business if they get pay. NEPA would have money all the time , and they can build more generating station.

let me exmple.

If NEPA hand over the transmission and distribution today.  They sell energy to state say lagos for 2 billion naira. They get paid and And lagos sell the energy to you.

Now NEPA have 2 billion. It has less over head to take care of. And would have so much money in its bank to build generating station because the more generating station NEPA built the more money it makes.

This reduce the number of staff in lagos.  And one think about electricity is that it stop transfer of staffs from state to state. Which is not good in engineering. If i troubleshoot a system for many years. It would take you less than 10 minute if it break down to restore. but if you move staff around it takes 20 times the times to trouble shoot.

The staff can now work for the state board and they can decide to change board. To the state which pays more for thier skills.

another thing about this is state can sell power too. So a state like Niger, adamawa, pleteau, kogi, benue state and others which have no other revenue apart from the federal govt can now start selling energy to other state that needs it. Like lagos.

Look a state like bauchi state which makes sugar cane can use the molasis recycle to generate electricity and now resell to lagos or ogun state.

Look if i am minister of energy, i go resolve the problem.
JJYOU
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #81 on: March 21, 2009, 05:43 PM »

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Becomrrich
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #82 on: March 21, 2009, 09:11 PM »

state like sokoto, kano, bauchi, katsina ,gombe, yobe , borno etc have no other source of revenue apart from the federal govt. If you allow them to buy energy from NEPA , they can resell the energy to the citizen of the state. This way they general revenue.  It is the same thing over here. So that this state would stop been waiting for federal allocation every month.
larez (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #83 on: March 22, 2009, 08:44 AM »

Quote from: Becomrrich on March 21, 2009, 05:36 PM
Look it is to the benefit of the federal govt to hand off the networks in state, i mean transmission and distribution. it as nothing to do with south or north, even it is more to the advantage of the north than the south.

Why do i say so. You do not need too much power in the north.  The real problem of NEPA comes from the south. If you do this. most northern state would have 24 X 7 electricity.

They need little energy. Having a grid system that links them with south create problem for them. But if they are standalone. The northern state can manage it well. they require little energy . But places in the south. kick them off the grid and the north would have 24hrs supply.

state have to own thier own network and connect to the national grid.

Even look NEPA is not making money, this way NEPA makes money, since they are seller of energy. They sell energy to state and the state now sell the energy to you.

If NEPA sell to state , they get paid, if the state sell to people  it is not NEPA business if they get pay. NEPA would have money all the time , and they can build more generating station.

let me exmple.

If NEPA hand over the transmission and distribution today.  They sell energy to state say lagos for 2 billion naira. They get paid and And lagos sell the energy to you.

Now NEPA have 2 billion. It has less over head to take care of. And would have so much money in its bank to build generating station because the more generating station NEPA built the more money it makes.

This reduce the number of staff in lagos.  And one think about electricity is that it stop transfer of staffs from state to state. Which is not good in engineering. If i troubleshoot a system for many years. It would take you less than 10 minute if it break down to restore. but if you move staff around it takes 20 times the times to trouble shoot.

The staff can now work for the state board and they can decide to change board. To the state which pays more for thier skills.

another thing about this is state can sell power too. So a state like Niger, adamawa, pleteau, kogi, benue state and others which have no other revenue apart from the federal govt can now start selling energy to other state that needs it. Like lagos.

Look a state like bauchi state which makes sugar cane can use the molasis recycle to generate electricity and now resell to lagos or ogun state.

Look if i am minister of energy, i go resolve the problem.

You are obviously as naive as I was before returning to Nigeria. Before you suggest to anyone about being a Minister, you must first understand how things work. You clearly do not understand the Politics in Nigeria. I will recommend that you do some studying of the situation so you can be better educated.

Nigeria's progress is being stifled by a few who have become enormously wealthy as a result. Nigeria should be on the level of Singapore, or at least Malaysia by now, if it wasn't for the clique that wants to Lord over other Nigerians by keeping them poor. Do you think Nigeria lacks the intellectual capability to resolve power issues? I personally doubt that. As a matter of fact, the President recently proclaimed that our power problems are because of the generator lobby. They do not want things to work.

It is very typical of the average Nigerian mentality, not to care about Nation or other people as long as they are personally wealthy.  Nigeria lacks a national brand, and people rarely care about the well being of the Nation. Everyone's concern is about what they can get from the nation, and not what they can do for her. Here you are, advocating to be a power minister, only because you are an Electrical Engineer. If you had been properly connected, some uneducated politician may have given you the position for that reason only. But do you really qualify? Do you even understand the logistics involved? Judging from what you have posted, it is obvious that you are oblivious of what you are talking about.

I hope you do not feel offended, but Nation building requires more than the whims of someone who thinks he can. A few newspaper tidbits about National grids, transmission stations and sub-stations hardly qualifies a person to handle a complex Nation. The politics of negotiating the locations of power stations, transmission buffers, Land owner infringements, safety and others are just a little part of the factors relating to building a National grid. Breakage and re-routing at the spur of the moment will probably overwhelm you. And then, Nigeria will experience another failed project after investing billions into it.

You should think for a moment about how many wealthy Nigerians acquired their wealth. Then you will realize that it was mostly through theft, embezzlement, bribes, or anti-competitive activities. Most of our problems in Nigeria can be nullified if only we had a good legal structure. A good legal structure will have well trained enforcement officers who will be free to do their jobs without political obstruction or interference. Our Judges will see all men as equals without bowing to the so many prima-donnas. Ribadu raised he par, and what happned to him? This is Nigeria for you.

With our people being so complacent and submissive, there will never be a change. Until the people realize what is at stake, and mobilize to clean out corruption and anti-competitive activities, nothing will change in Nigeria. Nigerians have been bamboozled and bullied by the Military for too long to understand what democracy is really about. Civilians who succeeded economically in the past had to be Military whores, and people generally were happy to pick-up the crumbs that got thrown their way.

If the current President really wants to change Nigeria's power situation, then he should indeed be ready to make many powerful enemies. I will advise him to strategize by making the transition as open as possible by continuous publications about the goals and progress of his plans. This will win the hearts of the people and they will feel a sense of being a part of Nigeria. With open information, the people will become wiser and very protective of the President. However, it is unfortunate that we continue to have policies of secrets. This will in-turn fuel rumours and innuendos. And the people will continue to distrust government.

I doubt if our current crop of politicians really understand the concept of government. Government isn't automatic. Government is formed to serve the people and make things more amicable for the society to interact. This is then supported by what used to be voluntary contributions by the people, which is now known as taxation. If the government isn't performing for the people and  demand taxes from same, then this constitutes robbery. Nigerians have been continuous victims of robbery via a contitution that has not succeeded in performing it's duty to protect and harmonize society.

Now back to the subject that is at hand: Former Governor Tinubu created the Egbin Power Station to deliver power to Lagos. This would have alleviated a lot of the problems of Lagos, except that the federal government intervened and said that the stations power has to go into the National grid. Judging from the statement made by the Minister who was over Power (A Lady, can't remember her name), she believes that Lagos should first supply Kano, Kaduna and Sokoto before it can then get back whatever is left. She believes that power should be shared the way that they share looted funds from the government. This is an ideal example of bad policies by unqualified leaders. She fails to understand that by transmitting power from Lagos to Sokoto or Kano, 2/3 of the power will be lost in transmission. She is oblivious that useful power should supply immediate surroundings first and the extra may then be transmitted to the grid. In industrialized nations, she would have been laughed at as a joke.

In most countries outside Nigeria, knowledge is power. However, the par for power in Nigeria seems to lie in the crookedness and wickedness of the heart and nature. We seek to cure the symptoms instead of seeking the ailment. The issue of power in Nigeria is only one of the outputs or results of a decadent society. There are many more like this and the story can be told by every Nigerian. We should focus on developing a paradigm that will rid us of politicians who hate intellects. This paradigm needs to redefine what it means to be a Nigerian. Public executions of the corrupt may help to accelerate this paradigm shift. But we need to do something fast, our we should expect chaos in the very near future.

Power problems may only be a very visible acknowledgment of our decadence. But for Nigeria to resolve this issue, it must also address the societal malfeasance  that would allow a few men to sabotage a country of over 140 million people
ode remo (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #84 on: March 22, 2009, 01:16 PM »


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state like sokoto, kano, bauchi, katsina ,gombe, yobe , borno etc have no other source of revenue apart from the federal govt. If you allow them to buy energy from NEPA , they can resell the energy to the citizen of the state. This way they general revenue.  It is the same thing over here. So that this state would stop been waiting for federal allocation every month.
Posted on: Yesterday at 05:43:54 PMPosted by: JJYOU


becomerich , how come you now say sensible thing like that.
Becomrrich
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #85 on: March 22, 2009, 02:40 PM »

First of all larez, you do not know me. I really never care about the people of the world and what people say. Look I have been posting satellite pictures of nigeria online. And some mafia online have been calling me names but i never stop posting.  I do not care.

I am a person who believe if i am on the right track, I cant be stopped. Electricity mafia my foot. I would get rig of them in less than one week if I am minister. The woman minister you talk about was  uneducated in the field of engineering. You can not take me an electrical engineer to head minister of health. It would not work. The woman na uneducated minister.

You need to know about the field or ministry you are heading. I know electrical engineering. I know what to do. Look the way electrical engineering is in Nigeria is not the same way it is abroad. One of the things I learn over here in engineering is value of spec. Spec is the reason why thier system work.

You sound like someone in NEPA. Now what are the spec values of a terminal going into a local resident. What should it be???. Do you know know??? Give us the answer or an engineer at NEPA can they please give us the answer. They would not know. What is the value of the spec going into your various substation and transformers??? Do you know.Huh

What are the level of attenuation within your transmission lines. what spec are required for your cable system. What is the distance between  a transmission pool.??

This are factor that affect the design of a network. Why would you want to offer buffers???. An electrical engineer last options are buffers. You design the network to have little attenuation as possible and that way you do not need a buffer.

On the power that be?? Is it not Yar adua or senate.  no be banky and david dey there,  leave that to me. Anyone in the senate or presidency who no agree with me. Would return back to his house. I know so. [joke]   

It is not that america do not have thier own mafias too, they do,  but if you want to get things done you close your eyes and do it. If you have your heart in the right place, God would be on your side.

Why would kebbi or zamfara or Gombe state want to be on the national grid with lagos. they would be stupid to want to. They need less MW in that state that they can fund and get rid of NEPA. And only use the national grid when they want. 


 National grid is like a seesaw that children play with. The one with more load create the problem. And the load in the south if you look at the satellit pictures  that what is creating the problem. So why would northern state want to be on the grid system. 

Tinubu mistake is you do not inject supply into the national grid. What Tinubu should have done. Is isolation of network within the state. If lagos still owns the right to the project, they should cut it off the national grid and feed it to an isolated network. This way that Isolated network would always have supply. Better still an industrial area. Little isolated network here and there, mostly industrial area would help lagos for now. this way you keep the economy running and companies can be open for 24 hrs and people can have jobs. and would affect the economy.
moneygurl
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #86 on: March 22, 2009, 02:52 PM »

^^^
I dont think Tinubu wanted it to be part of the National Grind. The Federal Government took it for Lagos state, mostly becasue Obasanjo was hell bent on making things hard for Tinubu.

The crazy part of all this is the federal government deducts money from lagos states' monthly federal allocation to maintain the power plant it is not getting much MW from.
moneygurl
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #88 on: March 23, 2009, 04:50 PM »

I think he is trying in the IPP stuff, for example the biggest water plants in lagos that is only working 5-6 hrs a day due to shortage of power supply will be run by an IPP   which will increase it to 20 hrs a day. So we will see, i guess

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/metro/article01/indexn2_html?pdate=230309&ptitle=Raising%20hopes%20for%20thirsty%20Lagosians


"Currently, the Adiyan-Iju Water Works produces 115 million gallons daily (MGD), but can only pump 30 percent for public consumption as a result of irregular power supply.

That is a situation that warranted the establishment of dedicated power project. "After the completion of the power project, water would be pumped for at least, 20 hours daily, instead of the current four or six hours.

The IPP project has a design capacity of 12.15 mega watts and is expected to be completed by May, 2009."


Lax75 (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #90 on: March 23, 2009, 09:56 PM »

@Becomrrich;

I thought you would have suggested that the New Republic of Benin supply lagos state with constant power  Undecided
Em2va
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #91 on: March 24, 2009, 04:03 PM »

Finally, how long now?
Eziachi
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #92 on: March 26, 2009, 05:34 PM »

Quote from: larez on March 22, 2009, 08:44 AM
You are obviously as naive as I was before returning to Nigeria. Before you suggest to anyone about being a Minister, you must first understand how things work. You clearly do not understand the Politics in Nigeria. I will recommend that you do some studying of the situation so you can be better educated.

Nigeria's progress is being stifled by a few who have become enormously wealthy as a result. Nigeria should be on the level of Singapore, or at least Malaysia by now, if it wasn't for the clique that wants to Lord over other Nigerians by keeping them poor. Do you think Nigeria lacks the intellectual capability to resolve power issues? I personally doubt that. As a matter of fact, the President recently proclaimed that our power problems are because of the generator lobby. They do not want things to work.

It is very typical of the average Nigerian mentality, not to care about Nation or other people as long as they are personally wealthy.  Nigeria lacks a national brand, and people rarely care about the well being of the Nation. Everyone's concern is about what they can get from the nation, and not what they can do for her. Here you are, advocating to be a power minister, only because you are an Electrical Engineer. If you had been properly connected, some uneducated politician may have given you the position for that reason only. But do you really qualify? Do you even understand the logistics involved? Judging from what you have posted, it is obvious that you are oblivious of what you are talking about.

I hope you do not feel offended, but Nation building requires more than the whims of someone who thinks he can. A few newspaper tidbits about National grids, transmission stations and sub-stations hardly qualifies a person to handle a complex Nation. The politics of negotiating the locations of power stations, transmission buffers, Land owner infringements, safety and others are just a little part of the factors relating to building a National grid. Breakage and re-routing at the spur of the moment will probably overwhelm you. And then, Nigeria will experience another failed project after investing billions into it.

You should think for a moment about how many wealthy Nigerians acquired their wealth. Then you will realize that it was mostly through theft, embezzlement, bribes, or anti-competitive activities. Most of our problems in Nigeria can be nullified if only we had a good legal structure. A good legal structure will have well trained enforcement officers who will be free to do their jobs without political obstruction or interference. Our Judges will see all men as equals without bowing to the so many prima-donnas. Ribadu raised he par, and what happned to him? This is Nigeria for you.

With our people being so complacent and submissive, there will never be a change. Until the people realize what is at stake, and mobilize to clean out corruption and anti-competitive activities, nothing will change in Nigeria. Nigerians have been bamboozled and bullied by the Military for too long to understand what democracy is really about. Civilians who succeeded economically in the past had to be Military whores, and people generally were happy to pick-up the crumbs that got thrown their way.

If the current President really wants to change Nigeria's power situation, then he should indeed be ready to make many powerful enemies. I will advise him to strategize by making the transition as open as possible by continuous publications about the goals and progress of his plans. This will win the hearts of the people and they will feel a sense of being a part of Nigeria. With open information, the people will become wiser and very protective of the President. However, it is unfortunate that we continue to have policies of secrets. This will in-turn fuel rumours and innuendos. And the people will continue to distrust government.

I doubt if our current crop of politicians really understand the concept of government. Government isn't automatic. Government is formed to serve the people and make things more amicable for the society to interact. This is then supported by what used to be voluntary contributions by the people, which is now known as taxation. If the government isn't performing for the people and  demand taxes from same, then this constitutes robbery. Nigerians have been continuous victims of robbery via a contitution that has not succeeded in performing it's duty to protect and harmonize society.

Now back to the subject that is at hand: Former Governor Tinubu created the Egbin Power Station to deliver power to Lagos. This would have alleviated a lot of the problems of Lagos, except that the federal government intervened and said that the stations power has to go into the National grid. Judging from the statement made by the Minister who was over Power (A Lady, can't remember her name), she believes that Lagos should first supply Kano, Kaduna and Sokoto before it can then get back whatever is left. She believes that power should be shared the way that they share looted funds from the government. This is an ideal example of bad policies by unqualified leaders. She fails to understand that by transmitting power from Lagos to Sokoto or Kano, 2/3 of the power will be lost in transmission. She is oblivious that useful power should supply immediate surroundings first and the extra may then be transmitted to the grid. In industrialized nations, she would have been laughed at as a joke.

In most countries outside Nigeria, knowledge is power. However, the par for power in Nigeria seems to lie in the crookedness and wickedness of the heart and nature. We seek to cure the symptoms instead of seeking the ailment. The issue of power in Nigeria is only one of the outputs or results of a decadent society. There are many more like this and the story can be told by every Nigerian. We should focus on developing a paradigm that will rid us of politicians who hate intellects. This paradigm needs to redefine what it means to be a Nigerian. Public executions of the corrupt may help to accelerate this paradigm shift. But we need to do something fast, our we should expect chaos in the very near future.

Power problems may only be a very visible acknowledgment of our decadence. But for Nigeria to resolve this issue, it must also address the societal malfeasance  that would allow a few men to sabotage a country of over 140 million people


I am never a praise singer but this is one of the best and honest piece I had read from Nairaland. Precisely what I had always said about Nigerian problem. Nigerians don't know how to harness intelligent, they often mix up intelligent with intellectuality. Becomerich thinks that being an engineer qaulifies him to be a successful minister of power generation.
 Being a medical doctors doesn't make one a good minister of health etc, which is exactly how Nigerians in power based their appointments on.
A minister is like a businessman, that uses every skill from man management, negotiations etc in order to get his/her work done.

Not until true federalism is practiced in Nigeria, where every region or state can do what they like economically to improve or survive, Nigeria will continue to stagnet. A situation where a poor student is hold back until a poor one catched up is what is killing Nigeria. If Tinubu/Fashola was allowed to succeed in their effort through their govt or through PPI, who knows how many other states that would had been encouraged to copy them. A life without positive competititon is really worthless.
*comfort
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #93 on: March 27, 2009, 05:09 PM »

 Cool
lexdino (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #94 on: March 29, 2009, 11:45 AM »

it's a good move and i believe other states should do same also Cool
blasterman (m)
Re: Lagos Plans New Independent Power Project
« #95 on: March 29, 2009, 04:19 PM »

The solar energy in the north states can generate power for the whole country if harnessed.  That is one resource that we have failed to harness and its right in front of our nose like flies.   I remeber in primary school they teach us conversion of energy but nobody has ever praticalised it.  That is why we are where we are. The biggest resources we have is not oil but our brains and we are using it enough.

  This technologies  to convert solar to electrical power are available in the in industralised countries and are actually quite easy to fabricate or manucfature.   Trial and error never kills. I heard of a company that uses solar power to smelt iron so imagine how many watts that is.


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