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Dede1
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In my neck of wood, mere posturing as a homosexual will definitely cause the interloper to forfeit the ultimate gift of nature. Please be warned that education, democracy or civilization has absolutely no bearing on the people’s determination to lead the life their forbearers had laid down for them.
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oyb (m)
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Fornicators and adulterers have no union/group vehemently advocating for their rights to screw(other people's wives/husbands/gf/bf) with reckless abandon.  prolly because they are in the majority - democracy - rule of the masses 
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Badriyyah (f)
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Gay people exist, it is not a European fad, it is a human thing and so long as that is the case, we owe to ourselves, to our conscience to treat them as such.
Don't say that, According to them, the Europeans brought it to Africa, I wonder how they created "gay people". lol
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kaygee1234
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If the sole purpose of marriage is procreation, what about couple who are unable to have children what does that make them? To be honest, I think the way any society treat its minority is indicative of of its collective morality. Gay people exist, it is not a European fad, it is a human thing and so long as that is the case, we owe to ourselves, to our conscience to treat them as such.
I think the disservice we do to each other is to assume that it is not talked about means that it does not exist, do not fool yourself. That these people could risk life and limb to present their case at the national assembly says a lot. I think it is a shame that any so called democracy in 2008 should pass law discriminating against ANY minority in its society, this is my take on the matter.
Neither am I a homosexual of any sort but I wholeheartedly agree with you on this matter.
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JustGood (m)
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why dont we allow armed robbers to have rights to rob other people as well? why dont we allow just everything that anyone decides to do? why dont we allow paedophiles to have a right to practice paedophilia?
sheeor
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AfroCynic
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why dont we allow armed robbers to have rights to rob other people as well? why dont we allow just everything that anyone decides to do? why dont we allow paedophiles to have a right to practice paedophilia?
sheeor
Because an adult forcing himself/herself on a child, armed thugs depriving people of their lives, limbs and belongings is in no way comparable to two consenting adults being together, loving each other, that's why.
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georgecso (m)
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@JustGoodIf the sole purpose of marriage is procreation, what about couple who are unable to have children what does that make them? So same sex marriage is now the remedy to couples who are unable to have children or what?
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oyb (m)
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why dont we allow armed robbers to have rights to rob other people as well? why dont we allow just everything that anyone decides to do? why dont we allow paedophiles to have a right to practice paedophilia?
sheeor
this is prolly one of the more absurd arguments against homosexuals that i have heard. they are consenting adults. the fact that two men decide to stick each other in the bum and live thier lives together does not take any skin off my back. granted, the sight of male / females couples may be distasteful/aggravating, but thats all it is. i have enough sins of my own that i have not accounted for - why should i be bothering with those of others'? i wonder how you can equate armed robbery which is the violent dispossession of people, which leaves people scarred, dead, wit their dreams broken with homosexuals. pedophilia is sex between an adult and a sexually immature person. homosexuals are consenting adults.
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spikedcylinder
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I dont doubt that you can walk about peeing on yourself or fcuk your mum or even kill your folks like animal do, people do it all the time. My point is that it is not a soceital norm. Thats not how it is meant to be! Who decides what and what should be categorized as societal norms? These religious zealots who steal from the rich and poor to oil their groins? Are you kidding me?
I was going to say that the Nigerian society is still too raw and uninformed to leave gay people be but when are we [Nigerians] going to accept that gay people are here to stay? When? If we keep saying, the time will come, it will never come.
If this bill is passed, it not only abuses the right of humans, any human to choose the sex of their life partners but it also gives the police and other law enforcing agency another route to egunje. 
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oyb (m)
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Who decides what and what should be categorized as societal norms? These religious zealots who steal from the rich and poor to oil their groins? Are you kidding me?
I was going to say that the Nigerian society is still too raw and uninformed to leave gay people be but when are we [Nigerians] going to accept that gay people are here to stay? When? If we keep saying, the time will come, it will never come.
If this bill is passed, it not only abuses the right of humans, any human to choose the sex of their life partners but it also gives the police and other law enforcing agency another route to egunje.  will try not to be offtopic with this long story. . .  in the same 2003, we were in anambra on official assignment. my employer was running a shoe string budget , so we used to share hotel rooms when out of town (and tender receipts for individual rooms) . anyway, at this hotel. they REFUSED to allow us to share a room. it was when we were about to leave they relented, with the receptioinst making some snide remarks about 'homosexual'. it was later i saw a sign that 'people of same sex sharing a room will be handed over to the police'. it was not until we entered the room that i realized the hotel was 'short time'. condoms floating in the toilet, mirrors by the bed - wtf this story has no real basis, but i've already typed it . . .
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AfroCynic
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Because an adult forcing himself/herself on a child, armed thugs depriving people of their lives, limbs and belongings is in no way comparable to two consenting adults being together, loving each other, that's why.
Please show where it is I suggested this to be the case. someone posed the argument that marriage is for procreation and I feel it is a rather redundant one, some m/f couples cannot procreate, does that mean that their marriage is invalid? Some people procreate outside of marriage, what does make of them? Marriage has to be more than making children because the former is not necessary in order for the latter to come about, you dig? So what then would be your opposition to gay couples having their own union?
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Seun (m)
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Baboons. That's what we are in this country. Hate-filled Baboons!
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JustGood (m)
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What is the problem then with consenting Nigerians demanding a law in line with democratic values? Why have you left out the rest of my post to respond to only one bit?
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JustGood (m)
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Baboons. That's what we are in this country. Hate-filled Baboons!
You're right. I wonder why we have a desire to prosecute people for stealing money just to satisfy their desire for wealth. We really have to be filled with hate. What exactly does democracy mean?
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AfroCynic
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What is the problem then with consenting Nigerians demanding a law in line with democratic values? Why have you left out the rest of my post to respond to only one bit?
And what would their democratic values be, please expand on this.
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JustGood (m)
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democracy is about the right to determine how you are governed.
If majority of Nigerians are in favour of the law, where is the problem coming from? Why must the minority be the ones enforcing their wishes in a democracy?
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oyb (m)
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What is the problem then with consenting Nigerians demanding a law in line with democratic values? Why have you left out the rest of my post to respond to only one bit?
i posted this excerpt before In political theory, democracy describes a small number of related forms of government and also a political philosophy. Even though there is no universally accepted definition of 'democracy',[3] there are two principles that any definition of democracy includes. The first principle is that all members of the society (citizens) have equal access to power and the second that all members (citizens) enjoy universally recognized freedoms and liberties
you cannot eat your cake and have it; you cannot expect that the freedoms of a Democratic society should not apply to ALL members of society. democracy's roots are in greece and ancient rome, two societies that had no issues with homosexuals. unless you want Nigeria to adopt the mantle of a Muslim or Christian Theocracy, you can't argue for laws against homosexuals. why don't you leave that decadent west and come to your morally upright home country.
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georgecso (m)
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We should focus on the topic SAME SEX MARRIAGE and NOT SAME SEX OUTSIDE MARRIAGE
Of what values would SAME SEX MARRIAGE bring to our country?
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Dis Guy
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why dont we have a national referendum, the majority's decision is final ! its a democracy afterall
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AfroCynic
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democracy is about the right to determine how you are governed.
If majority of Nigerians are in favour of the law, where is the problem coming from? Why must the minority be the ones enforcing their wishes in a democracy?
Lol, if democracy was all about the majority imposing their will on the minority then God help us all. For me democracy is essentially about the right for ALL citizens to have their voices heard and the right to be duly represented.
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AfroCynic
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why dont we have a national referendum, the majority's decision is final ! its a democracy afterall
Because democracy is also about protecting the minority(ies) from the tyranny of the majority.
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must_a_far
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why dont we have a national referendum, the majority's decision is final ! its a democracy afterall
what makes you think the referendum wont rigged. the highest bidder can always get Mr Iwu to do the trick. i wonder who the highest bidder would be in this case.
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oyb (m)
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why dont we have a national referendum, the majority's decision is final ! its a democracy afterall
if white Americans had held a national referendum on the rights of blacks, jim crow would still be top dog. if nazi germany had held a national referendum on the rights of jews. . . if northern states start holding referendums on the rights of the Christian minorities . . . that's a pandoras box you don't want to open. . .IMHO
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lucabrasi (m)
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What is the problem then with consenting Nigerians demanding a law in line with democratic values?
the problem is that homosexuality is a vice which is devilish,demonic and evil aberattion imported just like tokunbo cars,neoliberalism,moral decadence e.t.c from abroad which has no place in our country,culture the saudi arabians will not suddenly allow pork eating because its popular in the western world neither will they allow the holy grounds of mecca and medina to be used for a porn movie simply because many people will buy the movie @oyb well,there are religious extremists who cannot be excused,but the point im trying to make is that,religion plays an important role in every sector of governance in nigeria hence the reason for my former assertions,we dont have any conclusive survey or empirical research to fall back on,but an overwhelming majority of nigerians rely on religion either islamic or xtianity in governance and to a lesser extent traditional worship, remember the video of the traditional worship of one of the governors in the east which was discountenanced in a court of law, the point is that religious influences is all over the government
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lucabrasi (m)
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Baboons. That's what we are in this country. Hate-filled Baboons!
if refusing to be dragged down by the moral decadence and warped western values is being a hate filled baboon,then i am one and proudly so, high moral values and judgements,most times are not popular,especially in an age where virtually the media is controlled by the west and we are injected and bombarded with "their values"dai;ly and on rolling news,
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oyb (m)
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the problem is that homosexuality is a vice which is devilish,demonic and evil aberattion imported just like tokunbo cars,neoliberalism,moral decadence e.t.c from abroad which has no place in our country,culture the saudi arabians will not suddenly allow pork eating because its popular in the western world neither will they allow the holy grounds of mecca and medina to be used for a porn movie simply because many people will buy the movie @oyb well,there are religious extremists who cannot be excused,but the point im trying to make is that,religion plays an important role in every sector of governance in nigeria hence the reason for my former assertions,we dont have any conclusive survey or empirical research to fall back on,but an overwhelming majority of nigerians rely on religion either islamic or xtianity in governance and to a lesser extent traditional worship, remember the video of the traditional worship of one of the governors in the east which was discountenanced in a court of law, the point is that religious influences is all over the government
na wa o. people have been screaming blue murder about sharia and how nigeria is a secular state, and all of a sudden when confronted with a 'common enemy' we suddenly remember that religion plays a large part of Nigeria's government? imho, we cannot have it both ways. we cannot claim to be a secular country, then turn around and base laws on Quranic or Biblical Assertions.
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AfroCynic
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the problem is that homosexuality is a vice which is devilish,demonic and evil aberattion imported just like tokunbo cars,neoliberalism,moral decadence e.t.c from abroad which has no place in our country,culture the saudi arabians will not suddenly allow pork eating because its popular in the western world neither will they allow the holy grounds of mecca and medina to be used for a porn movie simply because many people will buy the movie @oyb well,there are religious extremists who cannot be excused,but the point im trying to make is that,religion plays an important role in every sector of governance in nigeria hence the reason for my former assertions,we dont have any conclusive survey or empirical research to fall back on,but an overwhelming majority of nigerians rely on religion either islamic or xtianity in governance and to a lesser extent traditional worship, remember the video of the traditional worship of one of the governors in the east which was discountenanced in a court of law, the point is that religious influences is all over the government
This is the biggest pile of rubbish I have read in a while. Religion only plays a prima facie role, if truly it governed the way our politicians behaved, they would not be as corrupt as they are be it in terms of federal funds or sleeping with people young enough to be their offspring, essentially we live in a society where the moral fabric has long ago rotted, leaving in its wake chaos. With all our so called moral supreriority to the west, look at how this country treats it neediest, they are subjected to the capricous nature of messed up society where money is the arbiter of life and death. At least in the west, they recognise that being homosexual does not render you subhuman. Denying someone else the right to be who they are, is denying yourself the right to be who you are, you just do not know it yet.
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spikedcylinder
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If majority of Nigerians are in favour of the law, where is the problem coming from? Why must the minority be the ones enforcing their wishes in a democracy? Majority of whites in the racist West were for hanging Negroes. Does that make it just?
Gay people are not enforcing anything on anyone, they only want to be left alone without mad people calling for their heads just for being the way they are.
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oyb (m)
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if refusing to be dragged down by the moral decadence and warped western values is being a hate filled baboon,then i am one and proudly so, high moral values and judgements,most times are not popular,especially in an age where virtually the media is controlled by the west and we are injected and bombarded with "their values"dai;ly and on rolling news,
i do not engage in adultery.i see a lot of people around me do so. the fact that i do not comment on what is A major sin in Islam does not mean i have allowed myself to be 'dragged down by moral decadence and warped western values' . a law against homosexuals has no place in a secular society. the next thing you know, we'll be revisiting those laws on 'indecent dressing'
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AfroCynic
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i do not engage in adultery.i see a lot of people around me do so. the fact that i do not comment on what is A major sin in Islam does not mean i have allowed myself to be 'dragged down by moral decadence and warped western values' .
a law against homosexuals has no place in a secular society. the next thing you know, we'll be revisiting those laws on 'indecent dressing'
Thank you for calling out this blatant hypocrisy,
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lucabrasi (m)
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This is the biggest pile of rubbish I have read in a while. Religion only plays a prima facie role, if truly it governed the way our politicians behaved, they would not be as corrupt as they are be it in terms of federal funds or sleeping with people young enough to be their offspring, essentially we live in a society where the moral fabric has long ago rotted, leaving in its wake chaos.
With all our so called moral supreriority to the west, look at how this country treats it neediest, they are subjected to the capricous nature of messed up society where money is the arbiter of life and death. At least in the west, they recognise that being homosexual does not render you subhuman.
Denying someone else the right to be who they are, is denying yourself the right to be who you are, you just do not know it yet.
first of all,whoever you are,if you cant reply to comments in a matured manner,then desist from making all these infantille and juvenille retorts with me!! the point of the comment is not about the way our politicians behave,but what is acceptable,few examples,in spite of the general perceived acceptance of gays and lesbians in the uk for instance, how many prime ministers or cabinet members are gays?? in the british police force which i have been opportuned to do some research on in my degree programme,how many gay and lesbian officers are heading police stations or hight posts or even being treated fairly?bearing in mind that is a country supposedly fair and tolerant, the point of this is that,even though there is a high level of moral laxity in the uk,the fundamentals and what is acceptable is still tied to christianity ,as for sleeping with girls old enough to be their children,it is simply a vice which like other stuffs is immoral, that doesnt equate to justifying gays and lesbians which is far worse. well,how does the country treat its neediest?bearing in mind you are lumping everybody together? now you are blaming the rest of nigeria,including a lot who are doing an awesome job for the failings of some leaders. you are asserting that gays and lesbians are being denied their rights,going by this,i guess the law should allow minors who are willing to go off and marry men old enough to be their great grandads,girls hauled off to be prostitutes(by their own free will mind)should be allowed children going out of their own volition to be housemaids should be allowed e.t.c i do not engage in adultery.i see a lot of people around me do so. the fact that i do not comment on what is A major sin in Islam does not mean i have allowed myself to be 'dragged down by moral decadence and warped western values' .
a law against homosexuals has no place in a secular society. the next thing you know, we'll be revisiting those laws on 'indecent dressing'
i wasnt making a personal reference to yourself just generally on the need for us to examine ourselves,i still maintain that in a country where religion is the moral compass both for average nigerians and the government,homosexuality,bestiality and other vices of these nature which we were not born with but smuggled into our country has no place and must be nipped in the bud before it gets out of hand, now there is dogging in western countries where you can have sex with your partner in a public place,bestiality,objectum sexual e.t.c
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spikedcylinder
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imho, we cannot have it both ways. we cannot claim to be a secular country, then turn around and base laws on Quranic or Biblical Assertions. Exactly. Its not a "one size fits all" ideology. 
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