Pastor Chris Oyakhilome

Bros, here's a quote from scripture:

1Cor. 3:1-3
"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ. I fed you with milk, not with meat; for ye were not yet able to bear it : nay, not even now are ye able; for ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you jealousy and strife, are ye not carnal, and do ye not walk after the manner of men?"

Can you see the words in bold: they were brethren and they were in Christ. Yet they were carnal or as NIV puts it: worldly.
There are clearly two types of christians; the spiritual ones and the carnal christians. That's not hard to infer from scriptures.
I'm not an advocate of immaturity or worldliness but rather of maturity in Christ; however, it would be foul of me to refer to those who are still trying to find their feet in the Lord, even after salvation, as being "sinners" and "not christians". The problem Paul had particularly with the corinthians is the duration they spent remaining carnal when they should have progressed to spirituality or maturity in Christ. It is good to note that Paul experienced those things he wrote in Romans 7:7-25 after he became a christian.
Cheers

Thank God you Quoted the bible.

Now Let us Look closely what you quoted

1Cor. 3:1-3
"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ. I fed you with milk, not with meat; for ye were not yet able to bear it : nay, not even now are ye able; for ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you jealousy and strife, are ye not carnal, and do ye not walk after the manner of men?"

Paul was using what you call tact inspired by the holy Ghost.

He was Using the Analogy of Child needs the Milk to grow to survive into adulthood.

whereas the Corinthian Church was in sin and what would you give to them. If you read the corinthians you will see that there could be no way this people be called saved.

They had the knowledge of salvation and they were living in sin.  Can you give a dead baby Milk to grow. The people of the Church in Corinth had heard the word but were backsliden. There sin in the church and it was so rife that fornication was rife.

What would as an evangelist preach to a backsliden Church ?

Seven steps on how to receive the holy Ghost?
10 way of how to make money?
3 ways to be risch ?
5 principle of a good marriage life?

As a flaming evangelist you deliver the word of Salvation to a backsliden church. Now that is the milk of the word of God.

No Carnal man will enter heaven. There is nothing like Carnal Christian. Was Jesus Carnal?  Child that seeks the hard truth of the word of God is a TRUE CHILD.

NOTE A CHILD THAT STOPS TO GROW IS NO CHILD.

@Backslider,
Yes. Thank God i quoted the bible. I would have also thanked God on your behalf had you done the same rather than try to append your own misunderstanding to a scripture that is very clear - because it doesn't tally with your mindset.

Good terminology. I clearly showed you two words in that quote; and i'd glady refer you to them again.
"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ."
Can you see the words in red? "Tact inspired by the Holy ghost" will not cause Paul to call sinners christians ("in Christ"), or to call unbelievers brethren. Paul never did that. Maybe you can refer me to scriptures where he did.
When you have successfully addressed that, then we can have a discussion. There's no need for skirting around scriptures that are very clear.

Beyond that i also referred you to Romans 7. Was Paul also a "sinner" when he described those things that took place in Romans 7 from verse 7?

Ok? Good. Although it is an anology, it drives home the point. Two categories:
(a) infant/babe, milk, carnal etc
(b) mature, meat/solid food, spiritual etc.

Maybe its a different Corinthians than the one in the bible. First, can you show me anywhere in that book that Paul referred to them as sinners or unbelievers?
Second, i'd show you some scriptures; and anticipate that you would likewise sweep them aside as "tact inspired by the Holy ghost".
1Cor. 1:4-9
I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus. For in him you have been enriched in every way—in all your speaking and in all your knowledge— 6because our testimony about Christ was confirmed in you. Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.
According to you, this was addressed to "sinners". No wonder there are no christians in your book. May God have mercy.

The question is "were they saved?" "Had they "lost" their salvation?" "Were they sinners?" Please show us from the scriptures.
Can you please refer to 1Cor5 and see that it was one person who was committing fornication? Fornication was not 'rife'. Their problem was that they tolerated it rather than to have confronted the sinner. Again, here are some scriptures:
1Cor5:1-2, 9
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? . . . "
9: "I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people"
The other place, to my knowledge, where Paul refers to sexual immorality being common was in 7:2, and he was talking generally (he didn't say "among you" there) - not particular to the church. Just like there is sexual immorality in the country i live in - that does not mean you can't be a christian and refuse to partake in such things.

All this rambling is unwarranted; i quoted scriptures, you're offering me your own opinion. What i should ask you is: is there anything like an uncarnal man? Since you are so willing to formulate the new term "carnal man". What of the uncarnal man? they will go to heaven eh?
All those aside, if there had not been any scriptures that addressed the issue, then there might have been a need for human reasoning and/or subjective opinion. The way it stands, the scriptures are clear.
Cheers

@Ricadelide


  I am happy that you have shown me you  read your bible. Thanks to God. If you have read the whole Corinthians you will know what I am talking about.

If you are a student of the bible you will know what the core of the Epistle was all about.

1Cor. 1:4-9
I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus. For in him you have been enriched in every way—in all your speaking and in all your knowledge— 6because our testimony about Christ was confirmed in you. Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.

The nation you are is not the Church of God.

There is UnCarnal man 100% Jesus was uncarnal. Adam was uncarnal before he sinned. Any man that is filled with the righteousness of God is uncarnal.

A man that is carnal is a Sinner. There is a carnal heart this is at war with God. I would have

Ah ah ah Paul was not writing to a nation it is a Church in Corinth.  To help you Go and research the Histology of the Epistles.   

This is common knowledge among bible Scholars

There is Righteous Christians in my books but there is nothing like Carnal Christians. There is nothing Like Carnal Jesus.

Was Jesus CARNAL?

If I quote scripture you may not be helped it is Good you are quoting it yourself.

Ok I change my Mind let me quote Scripture and put the matter to rest.

Romans 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.


Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


We all learning.

Please the Use of the word Carnal is sometimes used to me Worldly.
 


Selah

I am smiling here

Well if you did not read the verse 7 then look at it again.

I will have to quote so many scripture so that you will know that an enemy of God is a sinner Period. This is the milk of the word.

I have helped you but you can refuse the help it is a choice you make.

I have listened to "men of God" expound this doctrine and they have erred seriously.

Oh well I have heard that before,  "Who you to right to Judge?"

You dont know that we are little Judges? and that we are advocates Solicitors to Most High God?

I am not moved by this statement I have heard before. all men shall give account on the last day.

^{1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."}

This passage is usually misquoted and has gone a long way in misleading a lot of believers. I have an illustration to make and i pray we all will change our wrong perspectives about this scripture even as you read this:

Imagine you are to host the president of this country, or the king of your town. Now all you need to do is to prepare him a wonderful meal and you have all u ever want in his country or kingdom as the case maybe. You take your time to and you get a  well prepared meal, generously garnished with all sorts of spices, mouth watering aroma, and all sorts of assorted , You now go ahead to dish his food in a putty(that is used to defaecate) or in your garbage bin.

Would you now say that all that matters is the delicious meal that is inside the putty/garbage bin and not what is used to serve the meal? Please let us answer this questions sincerely in our hearts and see our lives as living sacrifices that are to be offered unto God. The outward appearance(the body) is as important  as the inner appearance(the heart) before God.
His words says "we should present ourselves as living sacrifices, holy and acceptable before God". Nothing short of this

God bless us all

Well @ Glitta


 I have no mindset of a High Judge. But because we are Christians does not mean we have lost our sense of Judgment or discernment.  We must Try all Spirits that is our reasonable service.

Because you call yourself a Pastor gives you no right to mislead people.

Bless You Amaukwu

@fyne guy,

yes paul can call them brethren yet they may be carnal.

You can be called Carnal only if you have fallen

Satan is still called an angel.

@Backslidder
Yours is a case of ignorance gone on rampage. Going thru the discuss bw u n Riccaddel, i cldnt help bt laugh.
You dont know but u are too proud to admit it and learn from those who know better.
Going thru your posts i cld see clearly d character of those christians who twist scriptures in order to bring others into bondage and submissn to themselves. They hv not found rest.
Paul called them wolves in sheep's clothing and admoniishes us to beware of them.
First they told us we hd to clean ourselves n stop doing all the bad stuff b4 we come to Jesus.
When we found out its by faith n also recieved salvation, they now say ours is not genuine bc we still look good and wear makeup while they smell around,  looking haggard, fasting and praying like praying-mantis. As such, they say we do not qualify to recieve the Holy ghost as if they are the ones that died on the cross for us. They say u must fast and pray for days or wks to be sanctified.
With these beliefs of urs, hw wldnt u continue to backslide?

My dear, Jesus Himself has already begun that war against false teachers and thier false defeatist doctrines which makes victims out of God's kids, bought with the price of the precious blood of Jesus. Now is the day of salvation. Now the prince of this world has been cast  down. Now the kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent take it by force.
We will not buy that lie you are selling, telling us to expect a revival some day in future for its already on. That u are not seeing it dosnt mean God is not working. You want us to expect another just like the Jews who are still expecting thier messiah and killed Jesus who was sent to them. We will not buy o!

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emulation is what every body does,all our pastor emulate the white people by waering suits/coat,muslim brother put on jalamia which they emulate for the arabics bother,Why trying to find fault in others and not facing the facts of life. Let be very carefull about what we say with our mouth.Every word that a man utters shall he give accout ofon the jugdement day.Watch your mouth.ooooooooooooooooooooooooo

If u are expecting to see a time where there'll be no sin, then your mistaken for iniquity shall abound; yet grace will abound even much more.
The church of Jesus christ (which only he can approve and not some backslider) is however being purified, prepared and shall be preserved blameless by God's grace even as the day approaches. That there are many selfish men and women parading as men of God, who really dont have any calling whatsoever, shouldnt then mean that the true church is completely defiled with nothing good in it. I am continually reminded of God's Holy presence and power each and everytime  i am in the assembly of God's people. If that's not the case with u, pity 'cos that'll mean dt urs is actually in need of a serious revival, and quickly, 'cos d time is short.

@donnie

you will say i said so. The Church decay is from the head. The Holy Pastors are in the majority. Jesus said strike shepherd and the Sheep will scatter. The system of making a sinful charismatic pastor and use him to send people to hell is not a new principle satan has used.

muhamed was someone that was used of the devil to send and is still using people today to do so. Imagine there were a hundred muhamed. but satan is smart he trains them knowingly or unknowingly and then uses them for evil at the end.