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Constantin
Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« on: October 10, 2006, 04:06 PM »

Why do we Black people always attach so much importance to Black and White, will this ever change?

I am a black Naija boy and I am proud of it but I desperately fell in love with a beautiful Irish/English girl at university here in the UK. I am studying economics and psychology (combined studies). She studies design and architecture. I love her sooo much and she loves me, too. Of course, I also had Black girlfriends before desperately in love with a white girl. Our love is so intense. What can I do if I love a white girl? Should I be punished for loving a white girl or should she be punished for loving a black guy? Why do we attach so much importance to skin colour, it all goes back to our psychologically ingrained set of inferiority complex we inherited from the colonial era, we need to forget that and be proud that we are Black but if someone falls in love with a white or black guy one should not be socially despised for it. We all haven´t been asked before birth where we want to live and what colour of skin we want to have. Fortunately , my parents are liberal, my father is Igbo and married a Yourba woman, my mother. And my father told me before I left Naija for England to go for my studies to beware of white women that easily spread their charm even on black men, but he didn´t specify that further!



TO MY MIND, RACE, NATION, STATE,  TRIBAL WARS OR ETHNICITY AND INFERIORITY AND SUPERIORITY DUE TO SKIN COLOUR HAVE ALL BEEN CREATED BY MANKIND, LET´S NOT FORGET THAT WE ARE ALL GOD´S CHILDREN AND ALL SHARE ONE AND THE SAME PLANET!!!! I DO HOPE THAT THE NEXT GENERATIONS WON´T ATTACH LESS IMPORTANCE TO WHERE SOMEONE COMES FROM OR WHOM HE DATES,
English1 (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #1 on: October 10, 2006, 04:16 PM »

Hi constantin,

I think it is a shame if people 'despise' you because of who you fall in love with. But if they are so stupid as to feel that way, why should you care about their opinion? Don't let the ignorance of some people bother you.

I'm an English woman with a Nigerian partner and both our families are very supportive of our relationship. They are just happy that we are happy.

Mixed race relationships are very common in the UK so I really wouldn't agonise over it. In nearly 4 years we've once had someone sit and give us dirty looks while we were out but that's the only negative reaction we've ever had. I don't think my relationship is anyone else's business, so if they don't like it, they can go and **** themselves!
somegirl (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #2 on: October 10, 2006, 04:30 PM »

Constantin, I wonder the same!
Free (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #3 on: October 13, 2006, 01:23 AM »

its becuase of the History between da two race Undecided
Brown-Eyes (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #4 on: October 13, 2006, 02:25 AM »

It's like Jews marrying Nazis.

Don't you know anything about the history of slavery?

When African people were thrown off ships in order to lighten the load just to make the ships sail faster even though there were barrels of gun powder and rum.

When pregnant African women had their stomachs ripped open and the foetus snatched out to make examples of them.
When African families were forced apart because the father had been sold to another farm to breed with the females in order to create more 'livestock'.

When Europeans castrated black males for just looking at their women yet considered it within their rights to rape black females.

When Africans were and still are considered lower than animals.

I could go on but i hope this answers your question.

Good luck to you
somegirl (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #5 on: October 13, 2006, 09:16 AM »

Think about it, interracial marriage is actually great. Since all the mixed kids are considered people of colour, mixed marriage with whites actually prevents the white person involved from breeding little whites. So do your best and marry white to diminish the next generations of whites!
Brown-Eyes (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #6 on: October 13, 2006, 10:36 AM »

Actually mixing is another way for Europeans to carry their genes over to the next generation since their reproduction rate is falling. Hence the need for good strong African genes and it has always been that way.

Before the Africans came to the UK in the 1950s, there used to be an African community in the 1800s but they disappeared through mixing. So you will find British people whose great great grandparents were of African origin but looking at them you would never know. So if the intention is to mix out the white, it can't happen because mixed and white together makes white. Jade from Big Brother is a prime example.

So unless you don't mind your grandchildren being white go ahead but don't go making babies with the intention of mixing out the white race as you may be disappointed.



somegirl (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #7 on: October 13, 2006, 12:08 PM »

Mhm, if the reproduction rate for whites is falling, that means less whites in the coming generation and a lesser chance for your pikin to marry one of them. But you can take further precautions. Tell your pikin that the whites despise him/her because of his/her race. Make him/her only be able to love black than you won't get no white grandchildren. Move to a part of the world where there a no (or very little) whites. That should also increase the likelihood that your pikin will marry coloured. Or, even better if you're a man, get yourself another, black wife (your REAL wife) and have children only with her. You could pretend to the white woman that you or she is infertile and she might stay with you (and die childless) since white women would endure anything in the name of love.

PS: What happened to the one-drop theory?
English1 (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #8 on: October 13, 2006, 01:26 PM »

Isn't it sad to witness a soul so consumed by hatred. Sad
somegirl (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #9 on: October 13, 2006, 02:22 PM »

Hi English Lady, I'm not sure whom you wish to address with your last post. Anyway, let me explain: Brown-eyes implied that white folks are bad. So I am trying to show her that her argument is not contra but pro interracial relationships. Have a look at Babyosisi's post. I fully agree with her. Cheers!  Smiley
Brown-Eyes (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #10 on: October 13, 2006, 03:56 PM »

@Somegirl

The boy wanted to know why interracial relationships are frowned upon and i gave him one of the reasons. Simple.
Nothing to do with who is bad or good, just facts.

@english 1

Are you refering to a post or the subject of slavery? If it is a post i don't see any hatred oozing from any of them. Or are you just uncomfortable with the topic of slavery?
somegirl (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #11 on: October 13, 2006, 04:07 PM »

Ah, ok. I thought you were stating why YOU did not like interracial relationships. Thanks for the clarification.  Smiley What do YOU think of them?

My own opion is that there is nothing wrong with them but that they might be harder on the couple because of people's disapproval and different up-bringings/backgrounds of the two involved.
Brown-Eyes (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #12 on: October 13, 2006, 04:22 PM »

Its the children i am concerned about.

In the UK a majority of them end up in care all because the relationship between both parties broke down. In some cases the man goes back home to marry someone from his place or he leaves because it was a fling and the woman, who is usually white, ends up with the baby. For reasons unknown to me, the child ends up in care. This results in a lot of confused and emotionally disturbed children.

My personal views on interracial relationships is most don't last. You get the rare few that is based on love but the rest is based on convenience and lust.
somegirl (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #13 on: October 13, 2006, 04:36 PM »

I'm not sure if the child(ren) USUALLY end up in care when an interracial couple splits. The few white women in such a relationship whom I happen to know don't give me the impression that they would abandon their child(ren) if the relationship would ever fail. But I'm a bit concerned about the children as well. One might think they could profit from two cultures but what one sometimes reads on the Internet is that some of them feel as if they were part of neither one, that the whites would call them black and the blacks would call them white. Sad.  Sad
English1 (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #14 on: October 13, 2006, 05:00 PM »

Somegirl - sorry, I thought you were being serious there.  Grin

Brown-eyes, yes your posts do seem rather hateful.

I am compared to a Nazi because I am white?  Cry

And no, I'm not afraid of the history of slavery. But I doubt that the existance of slavery in the past is a reason that people disaprove of black/white relationships today. What relevance does that have to whether a young African man in the UK should have a relationship with a girl there?

You seem to be saying that we all hold those opinions now. "When Africans were and still are considered lower than animals".  I don't know anyone who considers Africans in that way.

English1 (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #15 on: October 13, 2006, 05:01 PM »

Oh, and very few children end up in care because of the break-down of their parents relationship, regardess of the colour of the parents.

The vast majority of children in care are there because they are abused by their parents, or their parents are unable to take care of them due to problems such as drug addiction.
English1 (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #16 on: October 13, 2006, 05:04 PM »

I just looked it up. Only 8% of the children in care in the UK are mixed race.
somegirl (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #17 on: October 13, 2006, 05:16 PM »

English Lady, no problem. When I wrote those posts, I was well aware that somebody who does not know me or my previous posts might misunderstand them.

Quote from: English1
You seem to be saying that we all hold those opinions now. "When Africans were and still are considered lower than animals".  I don't know anyone who considers Africans in that way.

I don't know anybody like that either (and, if I do, they are good in hidding it). However, there are probably some people out there who think that blacks are inferior to whites and who are treating or would like to treat them worse than animals.

Quote from: English1
I just looked it up. Only 8% of the children in care in the UK are mixed race.

Do you know the percentage of all mixed children in the UK? And could you give us your source(s)?
okwanuzo3 (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #18 on: October 13, 2006, 05:39 PM »

i don't get it, we're still on this issue?
not a problem who u want to marry, depends on why.
but like someone's stated already. lots of inter racial marriages don't last till death do them part.
have no idea why, but same race marriages are more stable.
if u can leave with that, then marry your girl
somegirl (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #19 on: October 13, 2006, 06:05 PM »

When one compares interracial and same-race marriages, one must consider that, in the case of an African being together with a European, many interracial couples marry (early) because of visa regulations. Without visa pressure, some would have waited and in this time might have split up without getting married and some might not even have considered marriage an option (not all Europeans believe that a marriage certificate is necessary to form a family). Hence, I would say that marrying to secure a stay (and working) permit for the foreign partner is one of the reasons why interracial marriages have such a high divorce rate.
Brown-Eyes (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #20 on: October 13, 2006, 11:49 PM »

@ english 1

Quote from: English1 on October 13, 2006, 05:00 PM
Brown-eyes, yes your posts do seem rather hateful.

In what way? I simply educated the boy on why people frown upon interracial relationships. If the deeds carried out by white people in the past makes you embarrassed, say so,. don't try and turn on me and say I'm filled with hate

Quote from: English1 on October 13, 2006, 05:00 PM

I am compared to a Nazi because I am white?  Cry


don't get personal on me we are talking about the situation here

Quote from: English1 on October 13, 2006, 05:00 PM
And no, I'm not afraid of the history of slavery. But I doubt that the existance of slavery in the past is a reason that people disaprove of black/white relationships today.

You have much to learn about the psychological effects of slavery.
Just because you are in an interracial relationship doesnt mean you can empathise with africans.

Quote from: English1 on October 13, 2006, 05:00 PM

What relevance does that have to whether a young African man in the UK should have a relationship with a girl there?

He wanted to know why his relationship was frowned upon.

Do you live in the UK? If you do, you would not be coming out with such a ridiculous question. why are the BNP so popular that they have managed to get a seat or two in certain areas? Why did Anthony Walker get killed? what about Stephen Lawrence? Police stop and search. These are all products of racism which derived from slavery which in my opinion continues in a covert manner.

Quote from: English1 on October 13, 2006, 05:00 PM

You seem to be saying that we all hold those opinions now. "When Africans were and still are considered lower than animals".  I don't know anyone who considers Africans in that way.


I have a friend who is currently with a white girl. Whenever they have an argument, she resorts to calling him black bastard. I have another friend who was seeing a white man. Whenever he had an orgasm he will cry out 'f%*k me you black beast. Now that is only on personal level.

Shall we talk about institutional racism? Education system, police force, health care.

Oh by the way did you know that black people are more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia. On top of that black patients are much more likely to be given drugs as treatment. I really don't know what world you are in. Maybe when you find your man in that predicament your eyes will open wide until then do not deny the fact that Europeans see Africans on a lesser level than their own animals. In the Uk animals have more rights than blacks. Treat an animal cruelly and see if you don't get punished for it. Black people are still waiting for justice to be served.


Quote from: English1 on October 13, 2006, 05:01 PM
Oh, and very few children end up in care because of the break-down of their parents relationship, regardess of the colour of the parents.

Hence i said reasons unknown to me. Still a number of mixed race children between white and blacks end up in care.

Quote from: English1 on October 13, 2006, 05:01 PM
The vast majority of children in care are there because they are abused by their parents, or their parents are unable to take care of them due to problems such as drug addiction.

and depression and a number of various reasons.

Quote from: English1 on October 13, 2006, 05:04 PM
I just looked it up. Only 8% of the children in care in the UK are mixed race.

There are more children of white and black parentage in care than children of black parentage.




Ndipe (m)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #21 on: October 14, 2006, 12:28 AM »

Interacial relationships is a very sensitive topic, especially in the deep south, and its roots can be traced to the slavery era. I really don't know the psychology surrounding the opposition, but to some people with little minds, it amounts to a disavowal of one's roots/culture to marry outside of one's race.
Brown-Eyes (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #22 on: October 14, 2006, 12:43 AM »

Quote from: Ndipe on October 14, 2006, 12:28 AM
Interacial relationships is a very sensitive topic, especially in the deep south, and its roots can be traced to the slavery era. I really don't know the psychology surrounding the opposition, but to some people with little minds, it amounts to a disavowal of one's roots/culture to marry outside of one's race.


 Please explain a bit more.
superman (m)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #23 on: October 14, 2006, 01:20 AM »

Brown-Eyes  tell then ! and why no one question the jewish style, 
segun111 (m)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #24 on: October 14, 2006, 01:29 AM »

It shouldn't matter who you fall in love with especially in your situation where you both meet in school perhaps there are high percentage of caucasians within the area of your schooling. I have been in your situation before, just do your best and to hell with the outside forces. Love her as much as you love any race, be kind and respectful and live the world to those who hates. It has nothing to do with past or nazis marrying Jews, it is plain human love period.

There is a saying that I love from Former Supreme Court Judge Thurmond Goodmarshal(sp??) saying "a snake is a snake when it bites it doesn't care what color it bites when you examine the venun it is the red blood cell inside." I will never forget his final speech,
superman (m)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #25 on: October 14, 2006, 01:47 AM »

i think it matters! as for now blacks got a very huge problem on their shoulder! so one can say until we free from menace then we can mingle around if na lie ask the jewish master
Busta (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #26 on: October 14, 2006, 02:04 AM »

I gat no issue with blacks and whites and its really so funny the kind of replies people have written so far.
Ndipe (m)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #27 on: October 14, 2006, 02:34 AM »

I don't have a problem with interracial relationship, let me clarify that. My opinion about the opposition surrounding this relationship, from what I read stems from slavery. I don't know much about it, neither do I care to delve into it. I believe that people should have the freedom and right to marry the opposite gender of any race, as long as Love is the motivating factor.
segun111 (m)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #28 on: October 14, 2006, 03:10 AM »

Quote from: Busta on October 14, 2006, 02:04 AM
I gat no issue with blacks and whites and its really so funny the kind of replies people have written so far.


Why do you think most replies are funny? Just curious. Please expatiate
GNature (m)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #29 on: October 14, 2006, 06:26 AM »



interesting thread
whitelexi (m)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #30 on: October 14, 2006, 08:54 AM »

I find it hard to believe that the hatred stems from the colonial and pre-colonial times,  maybe for our great grand parents, yes; but if you're talking of today,  the simple truth behind every jealous black woman's annoyance is the simple fact that a white girl will most definitely bring out the black woman's failures to light and place them right in front of her.
A white girl will most rarely be materialistic, snubbish, nagging, and full of lies, tricks and divided trust. They are more independent and don't bother themselves about many trivial issues,  They'll want to meet your friends and make friends with them. They distinguish themselves in almost everything, 

Dig it or diss it, but in your mind u identify with it as the truth.
English1 (f)
Re: Black And White Love? Why Is It Socially So Much Despised?
« #31 on: October 14, 2006, 09:03 AM »

I'm not really going to get into a back and forth debate with you Brown eyes.

Of course I don't deny that there are racist people in the UK (and yes I do live here). There are racist people everywhere and they come in all sorts of colours, not just white. Believe you me, I've read more racist comments on this site in a few days than I've ever heard expressed in the UK in my whole life (not just on this thread). I know a black Jamaican who hates 'Pakis' as he calls them, an African who hates Jews, all sorts of horrible opinions about all sorts of colours of people.

But are you seriously saying that people shouldn't be in a mixed relationship because there is still racism in the world?
Honestly, mixed race relationships are very common in the UK, so the original poster needn't really worry. Yes there are also racist incidents. Yes there are problems in our society. But an attitude that white people are all like this and so should be treated like pariahs isn't going to be very helpful in changing things.

You say that I can't empathise with Africans. Of course I can't completely, but I can at least try. Are you saying you can't empathise with white people? You seem to be an 'expert' on how we all think and behave? How so? I can think of lots of reasons that white people might not like mixed-race relationships but just 'slavery' probably wouldn't be one of them.

Anyway, from that, I have to take it that your anti-mixed-relationships are presenting the African case against, and not the white case. So you are saying that Africans would be against it because of slavery, hmmmm. That doesn't seem to be the case with most people on this forum? And it certainly doesn't seem to be the case with the Africans I have met. Perhaps you only speak for a very small minority, has that occurred to you?

Another interesting thought for you. Do you think that slavery caused the negative image of Africans - or do you think that already holding a negative image of Africans 'allowed' Europeans to enslave them? I'D say it's more likely to be the latter.
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