Arsenal, Manchester United: who is greater?

gunners 4 life,no long thing.
49 unbeaten no be beans .

lol

For Football clubs what other way is there to measure 'greatness' if not for the number of trophies won? Both clubs are great but Manchester United definitely is greater! They are also richer (pre Glazers era) and have more supporters than Arsenal.

Whats the criteria for that rating

Anyway we are talking about United and Gunners
here.

So you can start a thread on Liverpool vs United

Thats more like it J-girl

Manchester United has more legends
than all these other clubs,

George Best and Sir Busby, to mention but a few

Won three consecutive premiership under same manager

D'yu want me to continue

LOL

They never said the greatest - they said greater out of Arsenal and ManU. Therefore - you all agree that ManU is greater.

Don't try and soften that blow by putting Liverpool in the equation.

Simply - ManU is greater than Arsenal.

J-girl,

Please try and read I put up that the ratings (like Viera said earlier) was;

1 Liverpool
2 Man United
3 Arsenal and co

So where in my post did i say Arsenal were greater than United And like i said, this thread made no sense. If a Liverpool fan started a STUPID thread like this asking what everyone knows is the flipping obvious , what/how does that help anyone, rather than a means to blow your trumpets.

Who is arguing Greatest club with anyone , how does that affect Arsenal/Chelsea supporters if United Supporters see themselves as the greatest Does that affect Wenger or Maureen I doubt that very much.

But anyway, its a free world. You guys can continue in this delirium , as i said "its not F@£king Rocket science". Everyone that knows his onions in the English league knows his history.

Enjoy maties

  GOONER 89

Conclusion
In the hearts of English fans United carries the day

When you talk of tradition and history Manchester United is the greatest.

Liverpool was adjudged the "most successful" on the basis of winning
18 League(Division 1) titles and 5 UEFA Champions league.
Yes Trophies won, You are right, Manchester United will get there too.
However tradition and history is not easy to surpass.

Premiership is the talk of Europe now
when it comes to local leagues.
Manchester United has won the title 8 times
Liverpool none

Class ends for now!

Blow

Why do we all have a reading problem on Nairaland Now i have to go on a long rant, which i have been trying to avoid

1 Sir Matt Busby is a legend Manager for United (i never said he wasn't JESUS), but he played 80% percent of his football in which club You guessd it LIVERPOOL.

"As a player, Busby began his career at Manchester City where he won an FA Cup Winner's medal in 1934, this following the cup runners-up medal he got the season before. Liverpool manager George Patterson then signed Busby for £8000 in the March of 1936. He made his debut for the Reds on 14 March away to Huddersfield, a game that ended in a 1-0 defeat for Liverpool. He opened his account a month later, his 47th minute strike helped his team to a 2-2 draw with Blackburn at Ewood Park.

Busby soon made the number 4 shirt his own, ousting Robert James Savage in the process. He rarely missed a game over the following three seasons. This consistency earned Busby the Liverpool captaincy and he lead the club with great distinction.

Busby started out as an inside-forward but was switched to the right-half berth early in his career. This turned out to be a wise move as Busby's graceful and stylish play, along with his outstanding passing ability made him a cut above the rest. Busby, along with Jimmy McDougall and Tom Bradshaw made up what is considered by many to be the best half-back line Liverpool had ever had.

Soon after Bob Paisley joined Liverpool from Bishop Auckland and it was Busby who took him under his wing and showed him the ropes at Anfield. This led to a lifelong friendship between two of the most successful managers in English football history. (Paisley for Liverpool and Busby for United)

The Second World War brought an end to Busby's playing days. It is thought that he could have gone on to make over three hundred appearances for the Liverpool."

As for OT

"Man United are the richest club side in England, (notwithstanding Roman's Chelsea) and OT is the Highest capacity ground, and yes Man United are the most succesful since the Premiership started, but guys English football did not"

I REMEMBER SAYING THIS, WHICH PART OF "OT being the highest capacity ground" did you not see "

But read this, (since you all love wikipedia")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfield

especially this part; "Anfield is a football stadium in the district of Anfield, in Liverpool, England. A UEFA 4-star rated stadium, it is the home of Liverpool F.C - England's and UK's most successful club, having been the English league champions 18 times and the European Champions 5 times.

The stadium is well known for the Kop stand on the south-west side of the ground, and the atmosphere and noise those fans can create at games."

Now read the one for OT,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Trafford_%28football_ground%29

Notice the difference in history and tradition. for both stadias

  GOONER 89

Mr. Blow

Go through these (since everyone loves Wiki)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C.

"Liverpool Football Club are an English professional football club based in Liverpool. They play in the Premier League and are the most successful club in English football. Liverpool have won eighteen First Division titles, seven FA Cups, seven League Cups, five European Cups and three UEFA Cups. Liverpool are a founder member of the G-14 group of leading European football clubs.

Liverpool were founded in 1892 and play at Anfield Stadium, where they have always played"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C.

"Manchester United Football Club are a world-famous English football club, based at the Old Trafford stadium in Trafford, Greater Manchester, and are one of the most popular sports clubs in the world, with over 50 million supporters worldwide. Manchester United are one of the most successful clubs in the world and are second only to Liverpool F.C. in terms of trophies won by an English club.
 
They have won the Premier League/Football League 15 times, FA Cup 11 times (an English record), the League Cup twice, the European Cup twice, the UEFA Cup Winners Cup once, the Intercontinental Cup once, and the European Super Cup once. The club has had the highest average attendance in English football for the past 34 seasons, with the exception of 1987-89 during redevelopment at Old Trafford. Among European clubs, they have been perennial revenue leaders for the late 1990s and early 2000s, they are still the fourth richest (in terms of revenue) in the world."

Blow , i hope you noticed the clear difference, like i said, if you are not convinced, then ask neutrals, if after that you still feel the same, well you are very much entitled to your views as a Red Devil supporter, but Views will never constitute or change facts.

I rest my case.

  GOONER 89

Oga V

Nah!! I don't think its that, its just that every supporter loves to blow his or her trumpet (it would help if they did some history lessons on the leagues their teams play in before they start making noise).

This is a trend especially seen in Nigeria, for example, you should see misconceptions Chelsea fans make in their comments, trying to correct them is seen as "sacrelage" as they are convinced that Chelsea have always been the Best in London, that they didn't notice them beforehand, as maybe Chelsea have been playing in "Invisible kits", pre Roman A and Maureen.

You now get most Fans making funny comment (including Gooners sadly ) without doing some research

Imagine one other "Clown" who happens to be a Manure supporter on NL , all in a bid of saying Wenger did not sign C Ronaldo, now went on a rant about how Wiltord was a flop in the same rank as Djemba Djemba And how wenger should be berated for buying him

So sometimes you have to make allowances for everyone, as we all feel we know stuff, and some times don't take to kindly to corrections or other views (we are all guilty of that as well sha!!)

But as they say "the truth will set you free". So in terms of Greatness in England, This is  how it goes;

1. LIVERPOOL
2. MAN UNITED
3. ARSENAL and co

folks can argue as much as they want. But doesn't change the fact from what it is, "FACTS"

Has nothing to do with being a Scummie, An Arse or a Loserpool supporter. FACT IS FACT(Always has and always will be).

  GOONER 89

My manners are reserved for those who earn not those who decide to fill the air with rubbish facts and then try to pass it off as gospel.

The greatness of any team boils down to number of trophies. End of.

Has Manchester United got more trophies than Liverpool?

No.

So how can they be a greater team than Liverpool?

Great teams are judged on their whole history and achievements on the pitch.

Take that and blow it out of any of your orifices.