Should Efcc Probe Churches?

Will they probe Mosques as well?

@TAYOD


You are talking totally out of complete ignorance or should i say insufficient information especially with the case of christ embassy you cited.I wll advise you to go back and verify properly the source of your submission.


Dear fellow Nairalanders,
Let us call a spade a spade, what is bad is bad!!This call is bad for the church. Absolutely it is a waste of time and energy on the part of the EFCC to dissipate their energy on this call, simply because it won't work!

Remember, if the wall does not crack the lizard won't have penetration.It is the problem of this-unity among the body of christ that instigated this call, but at the end of the day the question we have to ask ourselves is, to whose benefit? to whose advantag??? will christ be happy to see His church in this state when He comes???At the end of the day,who will stand????Think about this and leave sentimental submissions.

Christ is more than able to cleanse His church.JEREMIAH 48:10

@akintos-o,

Can you please provide the proof of my ignorance, either of the event I refered to in Christ Embassy or of the issue we are talking about as revealed in the scriptures.  Here is an article that deals with the stolen money donated to Christ Embassy: http://www.thisdayonline.com/archive/2003/03/30/20030330rel01.html

I assume you are a member of Christ Embassy and I won't be surprised if you are back here to try to paint black, white.  This won't be the first time we will see that happen.  Your Pastor has tried to portray T.B. Joshua as a man of God too and the only people he has convinced about it are his gullible members.  Perhaps another lie has being sold to you guys again with respest to this stolen funds.

While not trying to make this a witch-hunting process, I have tried to stay on the issue and only mentioned Christ Embasy while making a point.  However, if you are tryng to play on our intelligence and our good conscience here, I will not be afraid to take the gloves off and stand up for what the Gospel teaches: integrity and truth.  I wonder if you have ever received a biblical teaching on that.  If you have, then you will not make light of the issues we are discussing here and attempt to hide behind "God will judge".  Doesn't your Bible tell you that we are the ones that will execute the judgment that is written?

akintos,I totally disgree with you.
Any Church with nothing to hide should not be afraid.
If truly a cashier stole and gave his Church,the culprit and the pastor should be held accountable.

The culprit deserves jail and the the pastor needs to sell his assets and return the money immediately where it belongs and perhaps watch the way he incites people to give to the lord.

Being in posession of stolen money is also a crime punishable by the law in civilised nations.
Ignorance is never an excuse.

@Shinystar

If you mention another religion now, they would have beheaded you

Count yourself lucky you mention Churches.


In the real sense, EFCC shouldnt to either church or any religion.

Madam,

1) Is former Bayelsa governor not dealt with?   Tafa Balogun nko?  Govenor Fayose is in it?  When are we going to appreciate anything in Nigeria?

2) Maybe glaring to you. It will be good if you expose OBJ here and send a copy to EFCC in either Abuja or Lagos.

Even if OBJ steals as you claim, 7 months is around the corner.

And 7 months is tommorow.

No, he is not!

Okay then.  Read the following article.

In March 2002, Lawrence Agada, an assistant pastor who was a cashier with the Lagos Sheraton Hotels and Towers, donated cash and gifts totaling N39 million to the church. Agada’s donations were in instalments. He bought a 250KVA generator valued at N4.4 million, and another 27KVA generator for N1.5 million, which he donated to a satellite branch of the church. Before then, he had given N6 million for the refurbishment of the branch, as well as N1 million for the purchase of plastic seats for the headquarters.

Agada also contributed N1million to the success of a mega-crusade tagged Night of Bliss. His parish pastor, who had no money for a trip to Australia, was given N400,000. In appreciation, Oyakhilome wrote Agada: “May God, who gives seed to the sower and bread for eating, multiply your seeds in Jesus name.” Rather than receive God’s blessings, Agada became a guest of the police when his employers discovered that he had stolen from them to give to the church. Agada’s employers also insisted that Oyakhilome should refund the money. But the church issued a statement admitting that Agada made donations, but refused to make a refund.

A year later, Gbenga Kehinde, another member, donated to the church in similar circumstances. Then an assistant manager with Eko International Bank, Kehinde stole about N40 million from his employers and donated N10 million to the church.

http://www.thenewsng.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1213


@Topic:  Churches should be probed, and over-probed sef if necessary!

Why not? EFCC should probe activities of Churches and their leadership and not just the finance but sex life and harassment in there. But who is harassing who?However,EFCC has to finish up with the works they have at hand and not scratching here and there, biting off more than they can chew.I read the FBI arrested two Catholic bishops in Florida over forty-years of stealing and other frauds. They embezzled the monies and used them to go to Las Vegas and buy properties. I thought earthly things won't be taken to Heaven with us. Hahahah!

@gospelman,


How about you heal the sick, cast out devils and end up a son of hell?  Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

How would you feel about all your works not passing the fire test at the judgment seat of Christ?  1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

I can see you guys are runnig a popularity contest against yourselves.  Keep running and wear yourselves out.

Jesus was a social, spiritual and political critic, and according to your gospel, he must have been so broke and unable to help His society.   You have definitely taken your rampage for a ride on the world wide web.

Churches should be probed and people should desist from making such stupid comments like

If they probe churches, then God will probe them. Thats is stupid.

The Efcc should probe all religious organization. If they live by the principles of what they teach, then they should not be scared of anything.

Churches shouldnt be probed. Whatever is going on in the church should be left in the church.

@grace727,

EFCC is the acronym for Economic and Financial Crimes Commission.  If an economic and financial crime is commited within the State of Nigeria, then EFCC has every mandate to investigate and bring the perpetrators to book.  If an organization, be it a church, mosque or shrine is found to be a haven for financial criminals, then that organization must be brought to book.  If anything at all, these organizations are meant to be above board and abusing their priviledges must be dealt with severely by the law.

And for your information, the Church enjoins a big quota from the Government called tax break.  The Church is protected by the State and uses the roads built by the State and other ammenities provided by the State. 

While you are waiting for God to punish the churches that are out of line, God is waiting for the State to go ahead and punish them in fulfilment of the State's duty as God's servant to punish the evil doer.  Get your mind-set renewed to God's Word and you will come to the conclusion that EFCC -an authorised agent of the State is more than qualified and authorised to investigate an erring church. 
See Romans 13:1-6    1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

My dear naira land the bible says a word is enough for the wise!
TV01, Tay0D and other have said it all, TV01 was balanced in his argument, He said if the evidence lead EfCC to the church let that particular church be probe.
Those that ague that the church should not be probe at any circumstances  are the one that are corrupting the church and should be removed from the church.

In as much as everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion, I think no amount of brainwashing can dissuade me from the truth. I am committed, steadfast and unmoveable from my submissions on this issue , PERIOD!!!!

What a devilish call!!

Sounds to me someone may have a big skeleton somewhere.

What is the "Hello Noooooooooooooooooooo" about this?  What are you people scared of?