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jaybaby (f)
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The Hell Noooo -----is why shld EFCC go asking Qs in CHURCH?
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TV01 (m)
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The true Church of Christ cannot be probed by any government. However, the institutional
man-made imposter will always be the State's 'ho!
God bless
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CrazyMan (m)
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The rate at which we humans now take God's house, is very bad
the church is the house of God. so everything do in there, is done in accordance to the will of God.
so i don't see why some so called E.F.C.C of whatever their name is, should even think of probing churches.
if they are making irrelevant claims that the finical standard of most churches is incresing rapidly, then i'd rather refer to it as a miracle and not corruption.
THEY SHOULD RESPECT GOD'S HOUSE
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TV01 (m)
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Hi Crazykid - God doesn't have a house (not a physical one built with hands anyways).
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goodguy (m)
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crazykid, you seem to forget that not all "churches" are really churches.
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babyosisi (f)
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crazykid, you seem to forget that not all "churches" are really churches.
some are business ventures |
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woleprof (m)
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crazykid, you seem to forget that not all "churches" are really churches.
let God be the judge of that. |
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goodguy (m)
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let God be the judge of that.
If a pastor rapes a church member, we should also leave that to the hands of God, right?  |
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Donzman (m)
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Rape has nothing to do with EFCC. EFCC is not the police!
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goodguy (m)
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I mentioned that as an example of a crime, which crazykid has declared to be judged by God alone.
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woleprof (m)
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EFCC is just a body not an institution like the police. if a pastor commits rape or other crime let the police take that up according to the civil law.
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lafile (m)
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EFCC is just a body not an institution like the police. if a pastor commits rape or other crime let the police take that up according to the civil law.
And what if a 'pastor' embezzles money or allows some 419 guy to use his church for money laundering nko? |
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TV01 (m)
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or causes grievous bodily harm to his followers nko? or murders members of his congregation nko??
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woleprof (m)
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And what if a 'pastor' embezzles money or allows some 419 guy to use his church for money laundering nko?
in that case, EFCC should perform its civic duty and without special interest. or causes grievous bodily harm to his followers nko? or murders members of his congregation nko??
if you are abreast on the happening in the country, Rev. King is still in detention for manslaugter not by EFCC but the police. If the the former should start taking issues like that up then the latter is would loose its trust in the masses. |
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TV01 (m)
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if you are abreast on the happening in the country, The debate has moved on somewhat. It's not necessarily about the EFCC, but whether Church Organisations should be subject to the rule of law. |
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woleprof (m)
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You are changing the topic. plz read the title of the thred again.
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deb (m)
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Its so easy for people to open their mouth and say all sorts of things about churches. Its high time you stopped taking our peaceful nature for granted! Can anybody start an issue of EFCC probing muslim organisations or mosques? HELL would have been let loose by now. Probably 100s of innocent people would have died by now. This is a stupid question that should not be encouraged. STOP TAKING US CHRISTIANS FOR GRANTED!!!  |
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Uche2nna (m)
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I do not like reacting to any comments that has religious connotations but this one has caught my attention.Initially it sounded funny to me but on closer scrutiny I noticed that this was some serious shit here.The church is a sacred institution and should be held as such but if anything happens otherwise then I would have to blame the church authorities.My point is that I do not subscribe to the fact that EFCC shd take thier "nation cleansing" operation into the church but if they do I will not blame them either.I will blame the church authorities for giving them a reason to.Let them respect themselves and I believe that EFCC will respect themselves.
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goodguy (m)
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You are changing the topic. plz read the title of the thred again.
Responses on this thread have proven otherwise. Most people here are not even talking about the EFCC any longer. Their own is just that churches should never be probed for whatever reasons. Uche2nna, you spoke my mind. |
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Donzman (m)
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The debate has moved on somewhat. It's not necessarily about the EFCC, but whether Church Organisations should be subject to the rule of law.
Ofcourse they should be subject to the rule of law, anyone that says otherwise is nuts. |
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Radiant (f)
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I know the church is subject to the law but I'm not sure about EFCC digging into the Treasury of a church. I find it hard to swallow  |
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goodguy (m)
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Remember EFCC is the acronym for Economic and Financial Crimes Commission. When there are Financial crimes in a church, I see no reason why EFCC shouldn't dig into their treasury.
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Donzman (m)
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Remember EFCC is the acronym for Economic and Financial Crimes Commission. When there are Financial crimes in a church, I see no reason why EFCC shouldn't dig into their treasury.
The EFCC investigates financial crimes but there really isn't financial crimes in a church. Most of the people who give, give to God. You want EFCC to come and prove that the money didn't get to God? |
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goodguy (m)
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If there are no financial crimes in the church, I don't think the EFCC would be contemplating on probing them. Besides, it is the mismanagement of church funds and other related dubious activities that is being talked about; not those who willingly 'give to God'.
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Donzman (m)
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Let church members deal with financial mismanagement in their church, it is none of EFCC's business. Church isn't a state institution and neither is it a public corporation, EFCC has no juridisction over it just like they have no say as to what some Igbo trader does with his business.
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TV01 (m)
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Let church members deal with financial mismanagement in their church, it is none of EFCC's business. Church isn't a state institution and neither is it a public corporation, Donzman is a lot closer to the mark than one might think. The "True Church" is neither a State Institution, or a public corporation, and hence not "subject" to the state (Although it must not contravene the laws of the land, a properly functioning/structured church will never do so). The crux is that (in the west anyway) most churches are usually (i) incorporated, or (ii) registered as charities, or (iii) simply run as businesses. Adopting one of these forms legally yokes the churches to the government and make them subject to it. In Nigeria I don't believe such is the case. However, since many have been deceived and subscribe to the unbiblical notions of (i) the tithe, and (ii) the non-accountability of their so called MOGS {we give, what he/she does with it is between he/she and God}, abuse is rife, visibly so. So back to Donzmans point, "The church members" are usually in no position to deal with financial mismanagement, as they are ignorant of the facts. About how to give, who to give to and what to give for, hence the rampant misappropriation of "church" funds. For the most part, they have been mis-sold the gospel, especially regards giving. A fundamentally flawed structure gives rise to abuse. Get the understanding and format right and it would simply disappear or be much be much better managed when it did occur. God bless |
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woleprof (m)
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In the ral sense of it, why would one want to go into the church for probe. Nigeria is a religious country, sensitive and fragile, so any concerning religion has to be handled cautious.
Inviting EFCC or ICPC in to the church, mosque or shrine of worship of traditional gods is inviting chaos and unrest.
I hereby declare the involvement of EFCC in the church illegal and unconstitutional.
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Donzman (m)
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In Nigeria I don't believe such is the case. However, since many have been deceived and subscribe to the unbiblical notions of (i) the tithe, and (ii) the non-accountability of their so called MOGS {we give, what he/she does with it is between he/she and God}, abuse is rife, visibly so.
I lost all respect for you when you said that tithe isn't biblical. Reputation down the drain! |
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TV01 (m)
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I lost all respect for you when you said that tithe isn't biblical. Reputation down the drain!
I have never sought personal recognition, veneration or glory. But I believe I am in good company. Philippians 2:7 - but made Himself of no reputation, |
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TayoD (m)
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A lot of people are just trying to derail the topic by insinuating things that some of us meant.
Let it be clear that EFCC, as used in this discussion represents the State. In other words, any other organ of the State charged with a particular function should be able to extend its tentacles to the church when there is an obvious reason to do so. The Pollice force for instance can come into the Church if there is a case of lawlessness and disregard for law and order within the church. EFCC is a special body set up by the Government to deal with financial crimes, and as long as the Church is within the State, then it must be subject to the law of that State. It will only be out of place for EFCC (an organ of the Nigerian State) to investigate the Church in Togo, for instance.
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