Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)

First of all,why do you need a virgin,are you one?
Secondly wearing a beard does not show manliness,some may be covering up for lack of it.
Personally I like men clean shaven,facial hair is unattractive to me but if aaliyah(forgot your sweethearts name) loves the beard,by all means keep it.
At last we finally agree on something,I too do not like men in earings,it looks disgusting and effeminate in my opinion

@TayoD: Prophet Muhammad (AS), was also described as having kept his hair short and headshaven, as well! He wore thr hair on his head in many different ways, at different periods of his noble life. All of the ways that he had kept his hair are okay with me. I have a choice from them. In the past, I used to shave my head clead. Presently, I have a full head of hair.

About you concern of Tatawa, you need none from me. The life of every man or woman is safe in my hand.

@Lafile: Did you ever pay attention to how much Muhammad (AS) in particular and in a lesser sense, his true followers (Believing men and women), deprived themselves the things you claimed they indulged in?
Sexual pervertions and Lust: True Muslim men are faithful to the sanctity of marriage. I know. The black men who became muslims in America do not stray like the rest of the general black population. A well known Black Imam is Suraj Wahhaj in NYC. Please compare him to Rev. Jesse jackson or Bill Cosby!
Using a white Muslim Imam to illustrate the dominant race in America, Sheik Hamza Yusuf of Saituna Institute, in Hayward, outside Oakland has a better quality than the former of present president, in spousal commitment. Most muslim men around are married to just one wife.

Gluttony: Are you aware that there is a month called ramadan, which is dedicated to fasting? Are you also aware that Muhammad (AS), encourage people to fast Mondays, Thursays, the first three days of a new moon, the three days of full moon, the nine days of the month of hajj, days number Nine and ten and even eleven of the month of Muharram and other contributory voluntary fasts?

How is it that a leader who encourages his followers to practice these virtues could be described in the picture that you had conjured up?
It is well known that the Prophet (AS) encourage anyone who is not married, for whatever the financial and other reasons may be to fast so that the sexual desire is greatly arrested. He encouraged to eat to fill the stomach just up to a third and drink to fill another third, while leaving a third empty so that you can be capable of going about your duties and be light on your feet. Muhammad (AS) so never described to be fat because of abundance. He encouraged people to share their foods.

When you work hard and you are given the reward of that work, often, the reward may be excessive to those do not know the value of your work. For example, if you do make good money as salary or payment from business, a poor person may think that you have been paid too much for your effort. For sure paradise should be more superior in quality that the best values of the earth. God is making Paradise as a reward for those who did good and He is pleased with them and hence this was His Mercy.

Do you expect hardship in pParadise. Lafile? You must never forget that paradise must have the things that are very familiar with what we have on earth. If houris was mentioned and you did not know that they are females, you will probable ask what are they.  However, things of paradise, however familar to the things of this earth, the quality and the description are not in the least equal.

Lafile, please describe the christian paradise. Are you going to continue to worship as hard as you do on this earth. Are you going to be doing your own grocery shopping, the cooking, etc. Are you going to be as if you are on this earth. What is the reward of any good that you have stored up with God, then, if your condition is no different from the earthly condition.

Finally, take the case of the celibated priests and nuns. Let just assume that they are in the christian paradise. Now, from your dislike for the Muslim Paradise, this group of people will never on earth and in heaven know the joy of sex. You on the other hand, who used to like it on earth, will be deprived of it when you get to heaven. (Unfortunately, most christians, males and females are very lucid when it comes to being faithful to their spouses. They have one official spouse, but a hoard of bed partners! They even practice spousal swapping and sexual orgies in this dangerious time)

To the disputants, who think that Islamic paradise is too far fetched, I ask this question: If mere mortals dazzle you with their greatness in creating what some of you have termed 'paradise', what do you think of the Paradise of God? God's Paradise is so great, that there is no amount of good, that a man /woman can enjoy on this earth, that will be near to it! All that all creations, put together, which include man, will enjoy from beginning of time and to the end of time, is less than One part of God's Mercy. God will give 99 parts of Mercy to the people of Paradise. What we have then, is that, paradise is so great, that the earth can never contain it, it has to be created, separated as a reward for doing good.

The flip side of it is that, Hell is such a gruesome place, it has to be created separatedly. The evil doers who disbelieve will remain, parmanently, in fire of Hell without any mercy of God. When the dwellers of Hell see it and experience it, they will wish that they has remained in their wretched life on this earth. It would have been as if it was paradise !

however, those who have been ransomed by Allah, the Almighty and never have spent anytime in Hell, they will think that their life on earth , when they look back at it, that truly they had been in Jail on earth!

@olabowale,

What about people who are naturally without facial hair?  And what about women who are naturally wth a lot of hair?

The truth is how you keep your body (as long as it is decent) makes no difference to God at all.  According to the Bible: ,  flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.    So no matter what you do with that body it is turning to dust. 

You are such a deceived fellow saying the Holy Spirit promised to the believers is Mohammed.  didn;t you read in your Bible that Jesus told the Disciples that the Holy spirit will come upon them in Jerusalem?  The last time I checked, Mohammed is a bedoiun Prophet of the tribe of Quaresh (I hope I got that spelling right) who has never been to Jerusalem.  the attributes listed of the Holy Spirit is not one that can be fulfilled by anyone.  If you insist on this folly, then I shall engage you in this debate.

The wonders of Heaven you described are far from what Jesus said.  While Mohammed as described to you the heavens of his dreams, where sex is the order of the day, jesus said such a thought is a blasphemy:  Matthew 22: 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

@Olabowale,

I don't know what you mean by civil discussion, but I am one that says it as it is.   I will also ask one favour from you, please do not claim the Bible is true when you so please, and discard its claim when it doesn't support your notion.  If you believe one word in the Bible, then you must believe all.  Otherwise, you will have to bring what you refer to as the 'original' Bible to fore.  I don't believe a single claim in the Koran, and so cannot base my arguments on it.  I will only refer to it to show you it is not worth the divine inspiration ascribed to it.

How many people saw Mohammed in Jerusalem?  That he claims he was there does not mean he did make that journey.  Besides, a lot of your traditions says he actually went there in a dream and not in the flesh.  that is one thing about Mohammed, no one ever witness the supernatural occurences he claimed for himself.  Meanwhile, all the other Prophets meantioned in scripture had witnesses to the

And how many of the disciples did he meet there?  Jesus told His disciples to wait for the Comforter, and I would believe that comforter should have been there in their lifetime.  In what year was Mohammed claimed to have gone to Jerusalem?

And while you are looking at the atributes of the Comforter, please do not forget that He is qualified with the word HOLY.  I'm sure you know Mohammed is far from being Holy.

The Bible teaches that in the mouth of two or more witnesses, every word will be established.  I wonder why Mohammed has none and you'all are just following after his deceit.

In any case, no one said the Holy Spirit is a thing.  The Holy Spirit is God Himself.  He is what we call the third member of the God-head.  He is a tangible Being that lives on the inside of all Christians and He it is that came on the Disciples at Jerusalem, on the day of Petecost to fulfil Jesus' promise to His own.

I don't know what your Allah's standard is, but I know by the Bible's standard, Mohammed aint holy one bit.  He may have done righteous acts, but your acts do not cleanse you of sin.  At the same time, why should he say he is not sure of making heaven if Allah considers him holy? 

This is not about you or me being liars.  It is a case of who the liar is between Jesus and Mohammed.  It is a case of whether Allah is the God revealed in the Bible or one of the 365 gods that was worshipped in the kabba in mecca.  It is a case of the witness of hundreds of prophets compared to the witness of Mohammed. 

Now to the issue of the holy Spirit, here is Jesus' statement in full: John 14: 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Here are some qualities of the Holy Spirit listed here that can never be mistaken as referencing Mohammed:

1.  He shall be with us forever.  Isn't mohammed dead and rotten in his grave now?  for how long did he live?

2.  He can not be seen by the world.  is Mohammed an invinsible being?

3.  He dwells with us and shall be in us.  Is Mohammed in you and does he dwell in you?

If your answer to any of these is NO, which it is, then the Comforter can never be Mohammed.

@TayoD and Davidylan et al,
One of the most laughable claims I usually come across from the muslims is their attempt at ascribing that Holy spirit is Muhammed. As ludicrous as this is, I have often wondered why they persisted at such claims, and then it hit me some times ago:---> In mass hypnotism, one of the most potent factors for turning illusion to delusion is to attempt to ascribe credibility to what is not credible using what is definitely credible and undisputable Read about a lot of the cults that exist in the world, whether affiliated to a religion or not, the leader keeps the followers in belief by claiming, albeit falsely, one form of relationship or another to another pre-existed definite or indisputable entity in order to gain some credibility. Then I looked again at the life and ministry of Jesus, never for once did he ask people to believe in him because of any of the old prophets. Rather Jesus lays his authority and credibility to his Sonship in the Trinity, his deep teachings, wisdom and the miracles he performed through the power of God the father, and He even existed before all the prophets:
 John 8:18, "I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me."

And John 8: 56-58, Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am
Now compare this to the testimonies of the 'fake' bedouin prophet of the Quaresh tribe and you'll know the lies of the devil.

As per the real 'Heaven', I read Revelations 3,4,5 and 6 again today and I rejoiced again that it is going to be an awesome time of worship to and with the true God. Compared to the 'other' heaven (or rather Hades!!) where sexual orgies, cross dressing, and abundant food is the most important reward for 'believers', men what a shame. Read their description of 'jannat' again and then compared it with the 'seven sins', you will see it is all represented in 'jannat'. I am talking about gluttony, greed, lust etc

@Babyosisi; No one is looking to the Bible to prove that Muhammad is Ahmad. It is all in the Al Qur'an! You will never know it, because at the moment, you have a beef with God, His religion ordained on you and me, His Book and His beloved Messenger (AS). May God open your heart to receive guidance.

@TayoD: Please quote all the verses of the Bible that mentioned Comforter as it still remain in the Bible. You will see that the Bible's Comforter was a living and breathing entity. You see, you are a human being, God will only send your kind to you. Another human, not a ghost or unseen spirit! Also, inj the Bible, Jesus used spirit for prophet in a verse or many.
If you will not put them forward, I will. But I hate to do your Bible job for you. Moreover, you have some dead weights, who are not allowing you and me to engage in meaningful discussions. They just have to put their two bits into it! I hate discussing with them, directly or indirectly. Infact, I pay them no mind, like flies on the wall.

@ Davidylan et al,
It is written that: "We are the light of the world" (Matt. 5) and it is also written that: "And when Light shineth in darkness, darkness cannot comprehend (or apprehend, or tolerate, or engage!) the Light (John 1). Furthermore, Jesus said that: "And many shall HATE you for my sake, but rejoice when that happens"

Herein is the word of the Lord come alive because His words are 'spirit and they are life'. Who says the bible is not true, let them eat their words. All glory be to the Living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Redeemer. Rejoice because "whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world, and this is the victory that overcomes the world (the world is satan and his little deities like obatala, allah, okija deity, ogun, sango,etc) -- even our faith (in Lord Jesus)
Peace

WHEN "god" IS CONFUSED!

- "god" condemns fornication and adultery yet he has 72 wide eyed virgins waiting for every male muslim!
- "god" condemns drinking yet has rivers of beer flowing for the "believers" in jaanat!
- Where does the sun set? In a muddy spring?
- What direction do muslims face when praying? East? The sun? What of those in the east? Do they still face east too?
- "god" frowns at homosexualism yet has 80,000 young boys waiting for peadophilic muslim murderers in jaanat!
- "god" can never be seen! Not even in Jaanat?
- "god" is merciful? why would he stuff mud in Pharaoh's mouth to prevent him from acknowledging Allah?
- Why do we need to "worship" allah on earth when there would be no need to do that in jaanat?

Unlike most unintelligent muslims who try to make out that the concept of Jaanat is "difficult" for others to grasp, the problem with this concept is not one of difficulty but incredulity and total disbelief! Is Jaanat really any better than Las Vegas? What of the Sheikdoms in Dubai and Saudi Arabia? If the only things available in Jaanat is no more than drunken revelry, sexual debauchery and hedonistic pleasures, i dont need to work towards going to Jaanat, i might as well enjoy my own here and now!

Olabowale you have spoken but Allah Almighty has already told us that ours is just to preach the truth but guidance is with Him. Thats why He created Heaven and Hell. The truth is very plain and clear. It doesnt have contradictions, the good and bad deeds are also very clear. There is no half truth. The facts are:-

1. There is only one God. The Almighty and the Creator

2. God has no partner, no wife, no son, no father or mother. Its practically not possible and we should stop decieving ourselves with rethorics.

3. God send His messengers who were all human beings though some like Adam and Jesus were miraculously created. They were all sent with messages as guidance to mankind and all of them faced some reasonable cases of resistance. The reverred messengers are Adam, Moses, Solomon, David, Noah, Lot, Zachariah, Abraham, Isaac, Isiah, John, Jesus, Muhammad (SAW) and few others. These chaps never claimed to be God and can never be God. They human beings rightly guided and Sincere.

4. There was always one God and forever there will always be one God.

5. In terms of our conduct, we shall be guided by "Do unto others as you want others do unto you". Right and wrong conducts are very clear.

David, You talk like you are in a battlefield. in essense you are only derailing the opportunity we ve got here for constructive exchange. we muslims are not saying that killing is justified. no one should die innocently. If we go by your post, we should be losing hope for any beneficial relationship. What i said earlier still stand. we should stick to the truth and the right things, because we know them.

Babyosisi, who is calling for your neck? Me, King Fahd, Sultan of Sokoto or Mohammed Ali? who would you classify as a violent muslim among these?. You seem to forget that less than 1% of muslim population are radical and firebrand. However, it pleases your ego if you d rather categorise all muslims as violents. I tell you in Nigeria, the igbo armed robbers we have killed more innocent civilians than the almajiri riots in the north. but then, we dont care about their faith cos its probably in their line of duty.

No sir! I simply talk the truth! After going through my last post, can you point out anyone of theh points i raised that is NOT true? I'm sure you cant. As for talking about "constructive exchange", that is mere political correctness, we have been talking about dialogue for centuries what has it gotten us? The muslims are still as violent as ever! There is not point losing hope for any beneficial relationship, from time in memorial, there has never been any kind of relationship between the muslim and the christian not to talk of it being beneficial. Beneficial to who? To those who will rather conquer us and sieze our wives as war booty?


Less than 1%? Of course the remaining 99% while not blowing themselves up present themselves as moral and financial support to the alleged millitant 1%!
Of course you are very right, save Igbo armed robbers will not kill you in the name of Jesus neither will they murder a hausa mallam or imam after the release of the Da vinci code!

@ Belloti

Dear, those who are giving your "faith" are bad name are not those of us pointing out the untruths in your religion but your fellow brothers who see killing us and our families, destroying the moral values of our nations and subjugating us while taking our wives as war booty as a religious duty!

Do not attempt to pass off the terrorist muslims as merely uneducated villagers! The vast majority of them are educated and wealthy!!!
Terrorists do not pop up from villages, they live among us here, go to the same schools as us, dress like us and speak more fluently than many of us!