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belloti (m)
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Then, David, what do we do here?
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davidylan (m)
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Then, David, what do we do here?
Go back and critically evaluate your "faith"! A religion that is opposed to criticism yet is free to criticise, sees violence as a means to an end and actually glorifies the murder of innocent individuals as a religious duty cannot be from God! |
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belloti (m)
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David, You are not being fair to muslims generally. You seem to know very little about Islam and even the little you know is concieved upside down. The holy Quran said " if you killed a single person innocently its the same with killing the whole of humanity". i don't know if this makes sense to you. The criticism you mentioned also is justifiably and constructively aimed at making corrections but was specifically intended to hurt the psyche of muslims the world over. it was probably designed to evoke that sort of pre-meditated reactions inorder to achieve some political goals.
Believe me or not, Islam is generally a peaceful religion and will forever be.
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belloti (m)
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Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things.
( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #17)
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belloti (m)
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Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #82)
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olabowale (m)
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@Belloti: Unfortunately, you see open hatred amongst this same group, the christians. A good example of this hate filled individuals abound on nairaland. This tells you that those among the christians who are sincere in their religion, do no rant like the crowd here on nairaland. They can't hold decent conversation, except that the curse, insult, yell and use the usual icon. Yet, they claim to be matured, grown and decent men and women!
I doubt, if they can have a sincere friendship with a Muslim! Anyone who is sincere, will have a critical look at Islam. You do not have to like the adherents to observe its purity from its books. Yet, you may end up not becoming a Muslim. But all these childish perception frustrate me. You will see white people asking you honest questions and debating you with the hope that you both can come out with some tangible gains and understandings. But the elites of Nairaland typify what one of the Imans of Islam said; If I debate an intelligent person, I will win. For an intelligent person reasons. However, if I debate an untelligent person, I will lose. An unintelligent person does not reason. He or she talks without any sense. He or she does not hear you.
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belloti (m)
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I totally agree with you olabowale but i seem to always wish i got them wrong. May be one day someone may come up with an intelligent discuss. Right now its always going to be a blankwall.
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Aggressa (m)
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Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #82) @Belloti et jammat, Accept my condolences for feeling 'betrayed' by us 'christians' on this forum who according to your inglorious quran quotation above should be slightly more "in love to the believers" (I guess that's you muslims right?) than the Jews and pagans. By the way on what basis was the classification made of "near or not near in love to belivers"?. However, read your other quranic quotation below: Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things.
( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #17) But here, your allah is still going to judge the jews, pagan christians etc anyway regardless of their nearness in love to you belivers. Does that not put a heavy strain on spiritual logic to you? It's absolutely ludicrous. You see we are admonished by God through the apostles in the Bible that we should "NOT be carried about by strange and divers doctrines and it is a good thing that the heart to be established in grace" (Hebrews 13:9) We are firmly established in the true doctrine of God's mercies and grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and have no belief at all in the idolatrous and violent doctrines of muhammed and his god whom ye believe. But that does not mean we do not love you as people or individuals; yes we do, because it is only by love, and in love (not by sword or humiliation of muhammed's method) that we can show you the way to Christ as we've been commanded because it is the ONLY way:--> We know that because it is written that "Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, and no man cometh unto the Father except by the Son." If we refuse to understand and be 'near in love' to the false doctrines of muhammed and Islam, it is simply because it is  ,,,,,,,,,,,,,well,,,,one of the divers, false and strange doctrines we've been warned about. May God (I mean the true Living God who is three persons in one) bless you and keep you |
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belloti (m)
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Almighty God will surely judge everyone regardless of your degree of hatred towards Islam. But let me give you a glimpse of the special relationship we enjoyed with the christendom in the past. In the early days of Islam, When our Holy prophet was persecuted by the pagans of Mecca, he sent his followers to a Christian King in Ethopia who, he told them, would surely protect them. The king welcomed them and explained the similarities between the two religions to them after hearing their Islamic concept.
The Christians of today, more especially in the African countries, seem to grew up hating Islam, even while knowing next to nothing about it. Mostly out of fear and apprehension than out of reasons. May Almighty Allah guide all of us to the right path, Amen
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olabowale (m)
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In the day of judgement, Allah the Almighty, will deep into fire of Hell, an individual who enjoyed the best of what the earth had offered. When this one will be removed from the single deep of hell, he will be asked'have you ever had any enjoyment since you had been created?' The one will answer; 'By Allah, I had never enjoyed, for I have only lived a miserable life!' This is just as a result of the single deep in Hell!
The reverse is the same for a one who never had a single time of goodliness on earth. The one will be deeped in Paradise and removed. The same question as above will be asked. In this case the answer will be 'By Allah, I have never suffered at anytime!' Why the fifference in answer? This is because Allah is Most Powerful! After mankind had perished by earthly demise as a result of death, He will recreat us, body and soul together! He will judge us all, alone in this authority.
Those belonging to Hellfire, He will be just on them, enacting His justice. This people of fire of Hell are reported to have a lot of flesh, so that they can be burnt, without any mercy. There skin being renewed to be reburnt again and again!
However, the People of Paradise are given mercy. For by the mercy of Allah, He had overlooked the evils that the people of paradise had committed and had multiple every good deed they had performed. Thereby the good deeds outweigh the evil deeds. One can see why the Qur'an says that this world is the jail of the believers. Even if you had enjoyed the best that this world had to offer, when you are in paradise, looking back at your live on earth, it will seem as if you were kept in jail, being deprived of the bounty of Jannah.
The ingredient to receive the mercy of Allah are two folds: True believe in Him, without any associating anything with Him in His Lordship and doing good deeds hoping for reward with Him, alone.
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Aggressa (m)
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The king welcomed them and explained the similarities between the two religions to them after hearing their Islamic concept. @Belloti, If you don't mind, can you please post the "similarities" that the king explained if you know them. Just curious. |
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davidylan (m)
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@ Belloti,
Your story is but a fraud! And what similarities has light and darkness?
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Aggressa (m)
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@Davidylan,  I beg make you allow am tell us, then we can point out our own scripture backed opinion on the so-called 'similarities'. |
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davidylan (m)
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@ Havilla,
he possibly can't. just one of the many "tales by moonlight" stories he heard at the feet of the local imam!
But i might just be wrong belloti, you indeed need to highlight these "similarities" perhaps it is we who have been blind all along.
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lafile (m)
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belloti oya. tell us the similarities.
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belloti (m)
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 Let me flow then 1. Christian actually believe in the existence of God. They only added some few more membership to it 2. The Stories about the holy prophets Adam, Abraham, David, Solomon, Lot etc up to the Virgin mary are basically the same 3. Christians believe in Heaven and Hell, Life after Death, Reward and Punishment, Angels, etc 4. Christians do have some Moral codes, Ethical conducts, etc 5. Christians also have a devine guidance in the Book of Injeel (Bible), thought later was adulterated 6. Christians do believe in the sanctity of human life like their muslims brethren. etc There are a lot many
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Aggressa (m)
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@Belloti, Actually, I was expecting something of such as you've listed, so I am not surprised!! All that you've listed as 'similarities' are rather precocious. You can as well look at similarities between Christianity and Islam and paganism or buddhism, etc using the same simplistic logic because they also believe in 'their' own deity. E.g traditional worshipers in Ile-Ife believe Oduduwa is the god who created the world using a chicken to spread sand over the oceans  ; they also have strong moral, ethical codes; some believe in sanctity of human life; many pagans/idol worshipers also have 'divine' guidance book, etc according to your listed criteria of 'similarities'. So the Ethiopianking must have been clearly uninformed and/or simply trying to play politics to save his life/kingdom from the 'Islamic' visitors. But, the truth is this: these similarities are not 'true' because they are only a 'literal' comparism and not the correct 'thematic'[b] comparism that is accurate for a belief system.i.e. [b]what are the THEMES within which you have these 'similar' beliefs? If you carry out such a simple 'thematic' comparism, you will know that there is NO similarity between 'Christianity' and Islam or paganism etc E.g we believe in Heaven where God is, and He will be glorified continously by us, and one can only get there through Jesus Christ the 'truth, the way and the life'; But you muslims believe in a heaven called 'jannat' where you 'believers' will be rewarded with abundant food, SEX (one man to many women according to his taste), fine cloths etc, and where you can't find your 'allah' because he is 'too big' to be in 'jannat/heaven'. Thus it will be very simplistic and incorrect to say we both believe in existence of 'Heaven' while a thematic analysis clearly shows otherwise. You can carry out similar thematic analysis of all your so-called similarities and you can see that, with all due respect sir, there is ABSOLUTELY NO similarity between christianity and Islam!!. Attempt at looking for similarities is an attempt simply to confuse people and prevent them from seeking the 'way, the truth and the life', who is the ONLY way. Belloti et 'jammat': May the true God of ALL grace, who has called us unto His eternal glory by Jesus Christ, bless you and guide you into the truth. Amen.
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davidylan (m)
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@ Belloti,
1. Christian actually believe in the existence of God. They only added some few more membership to it - Shango worshippers, Buddhists, Mormons, Sikhs even "unbelievers" believe in the existence of "a god".
2. The Stories about the holy prophets Adam, Abraham, David, Solomon, Lot etc up to the Virgin mary are basically the same - There is but ONE major difference. It is clear the "similar" stories are plagiarised in the quran. While christians can relate to these biblical saints on a personal level, these men are no more than fantasies in the quran! Neither their lives nor their actions forms the basis of the Islamic faith today which is based solely on one man - Mohammed!
3. Christians believe in Heaven and Hell, Life after Death, Reward and Punishment, Angels, etc - Christians believe in heaven (eternal life) as a reward for righteousness where we will behold the face of our Saviour ad worship him eternally. Muslims believe in a hedonistic paradise filled with sex, booze and pleasures geared primarily to fulfil three things - the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. Entry tickets to the muslim "heaven" is based on "whatever Allah decides" and not the salvation of the soul.
Reward and punnishment - Even atheists believe in the law of karma.
Life after death - Muslims are notoriously vague on this issue that is cardinal to the christian faith!
4. Christians do have some Moral codes, Ethical conducts, etc - Secular societies have moral codes and ethical conducts that guide them.
5. Christians also have a devine guidance in the Book of Injeel (Bible), thought later was adulterated - Mormons have their book, David Koresh and his band of hooligans had theirs, members of the "church" of satan have a book!
6. Christians do believe in the sanctity of human life like their muslims brethren. - It does not take you to be religious to believe in the sanctity of human life that you can not make! It is clear that the christian perspection of "sanctity of human life" is vastly different from that of "our muslim brethren". Men who are allowed to kill in "self defence" cannot be said to belong to the same group as those who's principal tenet is "love thy neighbour as thyself"!
etc There are a lot many - Mention them!
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gbade. x (m)
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@ david and belloti:
also to butress david's point, Christians believe in the Trinity (note: 1 God in 3 persons AND NOT 3 gods in one person. I personally wonder why muslims can't grasp that part)
muslims on the other hand believe in allah being one God and not a Trinity
please note the difference here
another's that Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God and he's our mediator and he's part of the Trinity
Muslims on the other hand believe Jesus to be a prophet. They don't believe Him to be the Son of God and this is because they don't the Trinity.
With these, we can all see that the so-called similarities between Islam and Christianity are non-existent.
If u say otherwise, then the so-called similarilities can be said of other religions.
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davidylan (m)
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also to butress david's point, Christians believe in the Trinity (note: 1 God in 3 persons AND NOT 3 gods in one person. I personally wonder why muslims can't grasp that part)
Because the moment they do, they will have no more straws to grasp in their bid to discredit the bible! |
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gbade. x (m)
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Damn! Wondering where that wild one, man Ajisafs is at? Probably thinking about those chicks in advance! (lol)
just to ligten up ish in there . . . . . . . .
1st terrorist : yo, ibn fatin (get it? "He been farting"!), from your algebraic calculations and calculus, does it mean more kafirs "X"ed, more liqour?
2nd terrorist - you're damn right about that! Damn, heinekin's getting more expensive these days! Think about it, Al halib, free liqour and fine ass chicks with no interest rates!!!
*1st terrorist sees more kafirs, falls them like trees* - "Yipee! More chicks for me!!
*2nd terrorist kills some* - "Yehaa! Yo, halib, save me some honeys when you get up there!
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belloti (m)
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Havila, the similarities are not from the king. His visitors actually quoted Suratul Maryam to explain the birth of Jesus and then he asked them about Islamic rulings about some aspect of life. When they answered him, he then told them he believe the two religions are very close.
I can see you guys have gone on a familiar road too. you seem to be wallowing in ego and pride about your so called superior religion. i am greatly amused. i deliberately made up the similarities to test your reactions and i was not disappointed.
What makes you feel christianity is right i can't really fathom. But i just accept it as individual differences. Because Islam is the only true religion and whosoever does not believe in one God is doomed. That is what i believe in.
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davidylan (m)
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I can see you guys have gone on a familiar road too. you seem to be wallowing in ego and pride about your so called superior religion. i am greatly amused. i deliberately made up the similarities to test your reactions and i was not disappointed.
Oh really? You just "DELIBERATELY" made up the "similarpposites"? Just to test our reaction? What makes you feel christianity is right i can't really fathom. But i just accept it as individual differences. Because Islam is the only true religion and whosoever does not believe in one God is doomed. That is what i believe in.
Go back and re-read your post. In one sentence you accuse us of ego, pride and ask how and why we think christianity is right and in the next sentence you go on to falsely claim that Islam is the ONLY TRUE RELIGION!!! Yes whosoever does not believe in one God is doomed! Shango worshippers believe in just shango, are they going to jaanat too? What really differentiates the moslem from idol worshippers besides the worship of whatever number of "gods"? Christians worship ONE GOD manifested in 3 offices! This has been repeated more than a million times now but as is usual, those in spiritual blindness cannot see. |
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gbade. x (m)
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" Why we think Christianity is the right religion"
Apart from the points david raised, the reason why Christianity is the right religion is because our God has performed the greatest act of love, by dying for our sins to redeem our souls. Please read John 3:16. And not out of context.
Allah hasn't perfomed any act of love. a god that gives mandate to Muhammad and his followers to slaughter them kafirs, and be rewarded with sensual and materialistic rewards in Jannat.
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gbade. x (m)
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" Why we think Christianity is the right religion"
Apart from the points david raised, the reason why Christianity is the right religion is because our God has performed the greatest act of love, by dying for our sins to redeem our souls. Please read John 3:16. And not out of context.
Allah hasn't perfomed any act of love. a god that gives mandate to Muhammad and his followers to slaughter them kafirs, and be rewarded with sensual and materialistic rewards in Jannat.
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gbade. x (m)
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" Why Christianity is the right religion"
Apart from the points david raised, the reason why Christianity is the right religion is because our God has performed the greatest act of love, by dying for our sins to redeem our souls. Please read John 3:16. And not out of context.
Allah hasn't perfomed any act of love. a god that gives mandate to Muhammad and his followers to slaughter them kafirs, and be rewarded with sensual and materialistic rewards in Jannat.
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gbade. x (m)
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" Why Christianity is the right religion"
Apart from the points david raised, the reason why Christianity is the right religion is because our God has performed the greatest act of love, by dying for our sins to redeem our souls. Please read John 3:16. And not out of context.
Allah hasn't perfomed any act of love. a god that gives mandate to Muhammad and his followers to slaughter them kafirs, and be rewarded with sensual and materialistic rewards in Jannat.
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gbade. x (m)
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" Why Christianity is the right religion"
Apart from the points david raised, the reason why Christianity is the right religion is because our God has performed the greatest act of love, by dying for our sins to redeem our souls. Please read John 3:16. And not out of context.
Allah hasn't perfomed any act of love. a god that gives mandate to Muhammad and his followers to slaughter them kafirs, and be rewarded with sensual and materialistic rewards in Jannat.
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gbade. x (m)
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" Why Christianity is the right religion"
Apart from the points david raised, the reason why Christianity is the right religion is because our God has performed the greatest act of love, by dying for our sins to redeem our souls. Please read John 3:16. And not out of context.
Allah hasn't perfomed any act of love. a god that gives mandate to Muhammad and his followers to slaughter them kafirs, and be rewarded with sensual and materialistic rewards in Jannat.
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gbade. x (m)
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" Why Christianity is the right religion"
Apart from the points david raised, the reason why Christianity is the right religion is because our God has performed the greatest act of love, by dying for our sins to redeem our souls. Please read John 3:16. And not out of context.
Allah hasn't perfomed any act of love. a god that gives mandate to Muhammad and his followers to slaughter them kafirs, and be rewarded with sensual and materialistic rewards in Jannat.
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gbade. x (m)
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" Why Christianity is the right religion"
Apart from the points david raised, the reason why Christianity is the right religion is because our God has performed the greatest act of love, by dying for our sins to redeem our souls. Please read John 3:16. And not out of context.
Allah hasn't perfomed any act of love. a god that gives mandate to Muhammad and his followers to slaughter them kafirs, and be rewarded with sensual and materialistic rewards in Jannat.
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gbade. x (m)
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" Why Christianity is the right religion"
Apart from the points david raised, the reason why Christianity is the right religion is because our God has performed the greatest act of love, by dying for our sins to redeem our souls. Please read John 3:16. And not out of context.
Allah hasn't perfomed any act of love. a god that gives mandate to Muhammad and his followers to slaughter them kafirs, and be rewarded with sensual and materialistic rewards in Jannat.
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