Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)

Babs-babs!    Since you have left your arguments in the dust, is this the best you can afford to do? Rather than sweat this out, simply find out who in John's Gospel is referred to as the Comforter.

We have been through this until you sadly had to quietly and evasively see that your attempts to smuggle Muhammad into the Bible were a waste. Your answer to that one question will setle your misgivings, if you care.

The simple questions to address is this:

         How many "Comforters" was Jesus speaking of in the Gospel?
 
         WHO was He referring to as the "Comforter".

The answers to these simple questions settles your query. . . unless you are hell-bent on excusing the facts so you can remain comforted in the fact that Muhammad was not the one being referred to.

@babs787,


That was simply to show that He was not referring to any other than the same Holy Spirit.

If you have where He was referring to more than one, please post it.


Did the Bible claim otherwise, babs787? I am not the one claiming - I have asked you to go there and read and let us know what the Bible says. Is that too hard for you? Or are these such a wasteful exercise to cover up your sad worry that Muhammad was not the Comforter?

So sad. . . Allah never referred to Muhammad as the Comforter nor the Holy Spirit;

  . . . the Qur'an never called Muhammad by those terms;

  . . .  nor did anyone in any hadith refer to Muhammad as such!!

Where did Muslims harvest this smuggling habit of trying to make Muhammad what Allah never made him?

@Focused: Focused, tell me how do you have the idea of 3 godhead(s) in 1 singularly god, yet you have verses like Mark 12;29 in it? They are so opposite to each other. Which one is to be believed,Mark 12;29 that was spoken by jesus or the trinity concept that was peddled by someone else. Which one 'ABROGATED the Other?'

Give me an answer please.

@olabowale,


You won't get an answer, because:

(a) your are being dishonest about the plurality of godheads - the Bible does not speak of "3 godheads" (plural) - and that has been made clear every single time you posted it. If you find it so, please post the verse, do you care to?

(b) there are NO ABROGATION in the Bible, thank you.

You can remain embarrassed forever that Allah abrogated, substituted and whatever else with his qur'an - but unless you have a verse in the Bible where God said He abrogated any verse, please save the hat-tricks.

@babs787,


From 4 veriable sources"

        (a) the Bible

        (b) the Qur'an

        (c) the Hadiths

        (d) history.

Now, which of these sources can you deny?


Whose coming?


From the same sources as above.

You're already beginning to sound ever more childish, babs787. Can I ask you to simply say that you have no real issues so that you save your internet resources?


Who then is it for?


Don't cheapen your scholarship, please. We already know that Muhammad had no siginificant "similarity" to Jesus. QED.

The Holy Spirit as the parakletos had remarkable evidence of tessellating with what Jesus described Him as.


"Another" does not mean "a fresh being" . . . take style dey fabu O! If it means "a fresh being", please show us from the Greek, abeg eh?


(a) I did not smuggle in the Holy Spirit into John's Gospel. That the Comforter is the Holy Spirit is already made clear in John 14:26.

(b) the one who has been trying to smuggle in Muhammad is not me, but you and your poor and desperate Muslim apologists - sad that they all have failed to convince even you with evidence for their poor reading skills.

(c) the word "another" does not mean that it refers to someone who never existed before that time - if it did, Muhammad never existed before that time; nor was Muhammad being referred to there.


It was rather an excuse than an explanation - unless you have where anyone called Muhammad by those terms.


I have addressed this issue in the relevant thread. People like olabowale tried to smuggle that issue in here to save face for the Muslim cover up.

@babs787,

How body?


Please babs, please. There are no excuses you can project to keep denying the obvious. Just simply say you are too embarrassed to admit the simplicity of clear statements recorded in the Bible. QED.

It is not up to me to "admit" your denial - because I cannot begin in this age to start "admitting" the denial that Muslims keep making about the fact that the Comforter was referring to the Holy Spirit and to none else. That is why we have it clear in John 14:26 - "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

No one can confuse the clear meaning of the clause "the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost". As long as you keep making excuses to see the obvious, you have not made any sense. When you do, I'll be interested in anything further you have to say. For now, save the excuses and denials and let's move on to better things.

Shalom.

@babs787,

You did not confuse yourself when you referred to Muhammad as the Holy Spirit in John's Gospel, abi?

You really have no shame.

@pilgrim.1

Has the holy spirit been in existence since creation or not?

are you still trying to figure out how Mo was the holy spirit to come
Or how by the Miracle of allah,mary was substituted for the holy Spirit?

@babs

Posts: 1807 Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) #640 on: January 22, 2008, 08:41 PM »

D__D and i r waiting for this

Do you care for some prophecies of Muhammad that came to pass?
Do you care for prophecies of Jesus that never materialised?

@olabowale,


A friendly advice: be carefull as to what you connote by reference to the Holy Spirit. Even if you don't believe in Him as revealed in the Bible, I'm sure that God-fearing Muslims would not go out of their way to make such caricature of the one they interpret as the holy spirit in Islam!

Either way, whether Judiasm, Christianity or Islam, whoever is being referred to as the Holy Spirit deserves respect. You're welcome to be my guest and throw caution to wind when you use such derogatory inferences for Him.


Muslims should go and find out what Mark 12 v 39 was pointing to in quoting Deuteronomy 6 v 4 (Elohim and "echad") before seeking to pass on their illiterate comments for scholarship that they clearly do not possess!


Hehehe. . . what a laugh! Keep lying for 'Allah' - I'm sure one day he will have to ask you to account for your mendacity as to where he ever told you such a thing. 'Allah' can abrogate the whole of his Qur'an for all I care - Muslims cannot tell you how many verses of 'Allah's' Qur'an are still remaining as "unabrogated". The day you find out, please let us know!


Hmm, no comments! _{When a teddy bear was named "Muhammad" after a schoolboy, the perpetually restless Muslims sought the head of the school-teacher!}

Olabowole the Spirit of God is part and parcel of God not just an instrument.
Just like the Spirit of olabowole is part and parcel of olabowole and indivisible from him.
I can't make it any simpler.

The Bible says in Genesis 1:26-27; "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over, all the creatures, So God created man in His own image, in the image of
God He created him; male and female He created them."

@+Osisi: How you never punder about 'His own Image,' to actually bring to your inner thought that 'us make,' 'our image,' and 'our likeness,' are simply majestic pronouns, and not because the Speaker is referring to Somebody or Somebodies along with Himself. And not that He needed any permission from those who are the audiences or listeners! They had no choice. There was no opinion requested or required from them. See, even the audiences or listeners were silent, gave no response! See, if Jesus and holy ghost were there, they had no say in anything.

In the creation of the earth, from your Bible, and notice I have not referred to the Qur'an, the holy ghost/spirit hovered over water. That was an errand that he was sent. Jesus never did anything as a third of this 'christian godheads for One God.' What he did are after he had became flesh, and it was not a special case because Moses had did even greater things or at least similar: Staff becoming snake, in three occassions, drowning the Egyptians and saving the Israelites, providing food from heavens, providing guiding light from heaven, raising a dead person by his instructions of touching the dead body with part of the slaughtered cow (This is in the Qur'an and the tafsir of Surah baqarah, in the Qur'an), giving the order for the Israelites to kill some of them.

Yet we see in Mark 12 Verse 29 (And I have to thank God here, Who directed your fingers to type that Verse for my attention. Keep it up.), that Jesus declared that he was also subjected like every human under the Lordship of the singly God! Now in the Qur'an we learn that Allah the Almighty Creator declares to the audience (the community of the Angels; ArchAngel, Gabreil, Michael and the rest of the Angels), that He was about to creat a vieroy for the earth. And we know that Allah calls Jibril in many attributes; Holy spirit, spirit among them. So you see that there was an audience, Jesus was not one of them, because Adam, his father, from whom the souls of all man is takingout, was not yet created whe the dialogue took place!

Finally, Allah will protect me from all types of Fitnah (trials). There is no traces of madness in my bloodline and I am truly Allahs slave. He will protect me, always. Amin. I also supplicate to Him that He protects you and soften to your heart to receive guidance. Amin. Am expecting a little Ahmad, or Muhammad or Aisha to be crawling soon. Let me know so that I can rejoice with you, but thank your Creator for making it easy for you.

Hey! You guys are too militant!  Please calm down You have all gone 'astray' from the topic. Olabowale, dont you think that it is wrong to describe something too esoteric for you with derogatory words? I mean, the bible itself calls the relationship and workings of the Godhead a mystery in 2 Timothy where it says Great is the mystery of godliness, , . Hence, you are not expected to ordinarily understand it. The quran on the other hand has no esoteric stuffs - i mean, you can read it and understand what it is saying because it is purely written in literary manner without parables or tough to crack sayings and relationships because that is how "Allah" wanted it. abi?

So, if you understand that, respect what the bible says it is: mystery and therefore difficult to understand (at least to you) and not try using your mind to decipher it when those who are  even the children of the Father are still getting new revelations of scriptures of the Bible.

All the best.