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pilgrim.1 (f)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #672 on: January 28, 2008, 08:12 PM »

@babs787,

You did not confuse yourself when you referred to Muhammad as the Holy Spirit in John's Gospel, abi?

You really have no shame.
babs787 (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #673 on: January 28, 2008, 08:18 PM »

@pilgrim.1


Answer my simple question
babs787 (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #674 on: January 28, 2008, 08:20 PM »

@pilgrim.1

Has the holy spirit been in existence since creation or not?
pilgrim.1 (f)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #675 on: January 28, 2008, 09:15 PM »

Quote from: babs787 on January 28, 2008, 08:18 PM
@pilgrim.1

Answer my simple question

Quote from: babs787 on January 28, 2008, 08:18 PM
@pilgrim.1

Answer my simple question

This is how you duck questions and issues raised by others: "answer my simple question" - and in another thread, you were whining about this very attitude, not so?

Go back and read through my posts where I raised issues for your consideration. If you can't address them, I won't entertain this dishonest attitude you often employ to cover your shame.
+osisi
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #676 on: January 28, 2008, 09:25 PM »

Quote from: babs787 on January 28, 2008, 08:20 PM
@pilgrim.1

Has the holy spirit been in existence since creation or not?

are you still trying to figure out how Mo was the holy spirit to come
Or how by the Miracle of allah,mary was substituted for the holy Spirit?
+osisi
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #677 on: January 28, 2008, 10:14 PM »

Yes babs,the Holy Spirit has been in existence since creation
At creation,the Bible said the Spirit of God aka Holy Spirit moved over the face of the waters.
Several accounts in the Bible talk of the Sprit of God leading several prophets and judges and priests of old
however Joel and Ezekiel prophesied of the indwelling outpouring that'll only happen after the work of salvation is completed.
This happened in Acts of the apostles.

Now tell me about John 7:39 from your Muslim apologists site Grin
where we know Christ was referring to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit as in the day of Pentecost and now.
You see how I predicted you well ?

But go ahead anyway,you're about to learn something from the people of da book just like Mo advised

luvus
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #678 on: January 29, 2008, 09:04 AM »

@babs

Posts: 1807 Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise) #640 on: January 22, 2008, 08:41 PM »

D__D and i r waiting for this

Do you care for some prophecies of Muhammad that came to pass?
Do you care for prophecies of Jesus that never materialised?


olabowale (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #679 on: January 29, 2008, 03:02 PM »

@+Osisi
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Yes babs,the Holy Spirit has been in existence since creation
At creation,the Bible said the Spirit of God aka Holy Spirit moved over the face of the waters.
Several accounts in the Bible talk of the Sprit of God leading several prophets and judges and priests of old
however Joel and Ezekiel prophesied of the indwelling outpouring that'll only happen after the work of salvation is completed.
This happened in Acts of the apostles.
The Spirit of God aka Holy Spirit is an instrument of God, like 'the resident abunna' of the woman. (I have to shock you to reality, +Osisi!) Afterall, it the instrument that the woman can use at will! Or a more direct example, the staff of Moses. See the staff is not Moses but a tool that acts according to commands! Get real girl. And don't tell me that I should let my better halves come to Nairaland. They know about you already.

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Now tell me about John 7:39 from your Muslim apologists site
where we know Christ was referring to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit as in the day of Pentecost and now.
You see how I predicted you well ?
But go ahead anyway,you're about to learn something from the people of da book just like Mo advised
The people of da book should learn a thing or two about Mark 12 Verse 29, first before coming to the Mumiin. Afterall, Qur'an already abrogated the book of the people of da book.

And the Baby should be named Muhammad or Ahmad if a boy or twins. Aisha or Hafsah if girl or twins. lol. I wish you well.

 
 
 
 
pilgrim.1 (f)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #680 on: January 29, 2008, 03:29 PM »

@olabowale,

Quote from: olabowale on January 29, 2008, 03:02 PM
@+Osisi The Spirit of God aka Holy Spirit is an instrument of God, like 'the resident abunna' of the woman. (I have to shock you to reality, +Osisi!) Afterall, it the instrument that the woman can use at will! Or a more direct example, the staff of Moses. See the staff is not Moses but a tool that acts according to commands! Get real girl. And don't tell me that I should let my better halves come to Nairaland. They know about you already.

A friendly advice: be carefull as to what you connote by reference to the Holy Spirit. Even if you don't believe in Him as revealed in the Bible, I'm sure that God-fearing Muslims would not go out of their way to make such caricature of the one they interpret as the holy spirit in Islam!

Either way, whether Judiasm, Christianity or Islam, whoever is being referred to as the Holy Spirit deserves respect. You're welcome to be my guest and throw caution to wind when you use such derogatory inferences for Him.

Quote from: olabowale on January 29, 2008, 03:02 PM
The people of da book should learn a thing or two about Mark 12 Verse 29, first before coming to the Mumiin.

Muslims should go and find out what Mark 12 v 39 was pointing to in quoting Deuteronomy 6 v 4 (Elohim and "echad") before seeking to pass on their illiterate comments for scholarship that they clearly do not possess!

Quote from: olabowale on January 29, 2008, 03:02 PM
Afterall, Qur'an already abrogated the book of the people of da book.

Hehehe. . . what a laugh! Grin Keep lying for 'Allah' - I'm sure one day he will have to ask you to account for your mendacity as to where he ever told you such a thing. 'Allah' can abrogate the whole of his Qur'an for all I care - Muslims cannot tell you how many verses of 'Allah's' Qur'an are still remaining as "unabrogated". The day you find out, please let us know!

Quote from: olabowale on January 29, 2008, 03:02 PM
And the Baby should be named Muhammad or Ahmad if a boy or twins.

Hmm, no comments! Lips sealed When a teddy bear was named "Muhammad" after a schoolboy, the perpetually restless Muslims sought the head of the school-teacher!
+osisi
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #681 on: January 29, 2008, 08:25 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on January 29, 2008, 03:02 PM
@+Osisi The Spirit of God aka Holy Spirit is an instrument of God, like 'the resident abunna' of the woman. (I have to shock you to reality, +Osisi!) Afterall, it the instrument that the woman can use at will! Or a more direct example, the staff of Moses. See the staff is not Moses but a tool that acts according to commands! Get real girl. And don't tell me that I should let my better halves come to Nairaland. They know about you already.
 The people of da book should learn a thing or two about Mark 12 Verse 29, first before coming to the Mumiin. Afterall, Qur'an already abrogated the book of the people of da book.

And the Baby should be named Muhammad or Ahmad if a boy or twins. Aisha or Hafsah if girl or twins. lol. I wish you well.

I love your humor but like pilgrim cautioned,don't blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
Please get your wives to nairaland,especially the one you captured from Igboland
I can't wait to meet them and I promise to be nice and loving.
+osisi
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #682 on: January 29, 2008, 08:31 PM »

Olabowole the Spirit of God is part and parcel of God not just an instrument.
Just like the Spirit of olabowole is part and parcel of olabowole and indivisible from him.
I can't make it any simpler.
olabowale (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #683 on: January 30, 2008, 03:13 AM »

@+Osisi:
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Olabowole the Spirit of God is part and parcel of God not just an instrument.
Just like the Spirit of olabowole is part and parcel of olabowole and indivisible from him.
I can't make it any simpler.
I do not need simplification, but truth in speech. If you do not know the absolute truth, then it is better to say nothing! You have not been able to identify to us, the Spirit, either by its nature or by its characteristics. You just say spirit and you want us to just swallow it, like the way you swallow 'Trinity,' a word that you are not familiar with, in your Bible or any supplimentary book! Before I say anything, I am curious about that word, 'Indivisible.' Was just part of this 'indivisible?' You remember what I have been saying about your 'death' of Jesus? If they are indivisible, that is, father, son and holy ghost, then when son died, the other parts died with him! Then there was no one left alive in the 3.

It will mean that there was no one left among them to oversee the conditions of the UNIVERSE. Tell me, how did the earth kept its prescribed course, the same that it had kept before this ' death of the indivisible' godheads of the Christians? We will see that the death did not mean anything to the stability/equilibrum of the Universe!

Perhaps, the true God Who is Lord, is not attached to Jesus or spirit. Parhaps, these two are not more than errand entities to Him, the Awesome Creator! Perhaps the Spirit is not more than Archangel Gabreil (a spiritual being) and of course Jesus is a Prophet (a human being), a mere mortal.

But God is unlike Olabowale. Olabowale is a mere mortal, acreation of God! God does not look like us and nothing we have is like what He has! Hence, Spirit of God is not attached to God, while the spirit of Olabowale is the soul that makes him a living person, because it is attached to the body! So your hypothesis of part and parcel, may apply to Olabowale, but not to God! Further proof, is when you speak about the Spirit over water, etc. We notice that God was not hovering over it. We see that when John 1/19 declares that the holy spirit is the agent responsible for Mary's pregnancy, we realise, Jusus was not responsible for his own pregnancy inside his mother.
+osisi
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #684 on: January 30, 2008, 03:20 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on January 30, 2008, 03:13 AM

But God is unlike Olabowale. Olabowale is a mere mortal, acreation of God! God does not look like us and nothing we have is like what He has! Hence, Spirit of God is not attached to God, while the spirit of Olabowale is the soul that makes him a living person, because it is attached to the body! So your hypothesis of part and parcel, may apply to Olabowale, but not to God! Further proof, is when you speak about the Spirit over water, etc. We notice that God was not hovering over it.

The Bible says in Genesis 1:26-27; "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over, all the creatures, So God created man in His own image, in the image of
God He created him; male and female He created them."
+osisi
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #685 on: January 30, 2008, 03:21 AM »

I don't expect you to understand spiritual things.
They are spiritually descerned.
You can cry all you want about Jesus,his death and resurrection and manifestations of God.
babyosisi cannot help you there.
I truly can't
your case is turning to an obsession,calm down o
That's how it starts
We don't anyone comoting their shokoto and running down the streets of Manhattan.
That won't be halal
olabowale (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #686 on: January 30, 2008, 10:29 AM »

@+Osisi:
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The Bible says in Genesis 1:26-27; "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over, all the creatures, So God created man in His own image, in the image of
God He created him; male and female He created them."
How you never punder about 'His own Image,' to actually bring to your inner thought that 'us make,' 'our image,' and 'our likeness,' are simply majestic pronouns, and not because the Speaker is referring to Somebody or Somebodies along with Himself. And not that He needed any permission from those who are the audiences or listeners! They had no choice. There was no opinion requested or required from them. See, even the audiences or listeners were silent, gave no response! See, if Jesus and holy ghost were there, they had no say in anything.

In the creation of the earth, from your Bible, and notice I have not referred to the Qur'an, the holy ghost/spirit hovered over water. That was an errand that he was sent. Jesus never did anything as a third of this 'christian godheads for One God.' What he did are after he had became flesh, and it was not a special case because Moses had did even greater things or at least similar: Staff becoming snake, in three occassions, drowning the Egyptians and saving the Israelites, providing food from heavens, providing guiding light from heaven, raising a dead person by his instructions of touching the dead body with part of the slaughtered cow (This is in the Qur'an and the tafsir of Surah baqarah, in the Qur'an), giving the order for the Israelites to kill some of them.

Yet we see in Mark 12 Verse 29 (And I have to thank God here, Who directed your fingers to type that Verse for my attention. Keep it up.), that Jesus declared that he was also subjected like every human under the Lordship of the singly God! Now in the Qur'an we learn that Allah the Almighty Creator declares to the audience (the community of the Angels; ArchAngel, Gabreil, Michael and the rest of the Angels), that He was about to creat a vieroy for the earth. And we know that Allah calls Jibril in many attributes; Holy spirit, spirit among them. So you see that there was an audience, Jesus was not one of them, because Adam, his father, from whom the souls of all man is takingout, was not yet created whe the dialogue took place!

Finally, Allah will protect me from all types of Fitnah (trials). There is no traces of madness in my bloodline and I am truly Allahs slave. He will protect me, always. Amin. I also supplicate to Him that He protects you and soften to your heart to receive guidance. Amin. Am expecting a little Ahmad, or Muhammad or Aisha to be crawling soon. Let me know so that I can rejoice with you, but thank your Creator for making it easy for you.
olabowale (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #687 on: January 30, 2008, 11:04 AM »

@+Osisi: While you pray for me, don't mention Jesus or any other entities' name. Go to God directly and talk to Him! Finally, tell me what is meant by the Bible when it say 'our own Image,' and 'His own Image?' In the Our, does that mean ( Gods, Jesus and Holy ghost Images or is it Image?) all the composition of each one? If it is then we will realise that Jesus was always, prior to the creation of man. And that will be impossible! We will also know that the Holy spirit and change to physical being, otherwise his hovering over water during creation of the earth, would have just being in Spirit and could not have described as a physical manifestation. I just do not see man, who is physical changing at will. Hence the idae of our Image to include the holy spirit's image will be incomplete. Or is the holy spirit also physical like Jesus, too?

Finally, we come to God's image as stated in the Bible: Is this image  or likeness like that of man? Is man miniaturised physicality of God? Is whats onman what is o God, too. Which gender is God, then?

+Osisi, you have a lot of explanation to do! And I bet, if you go to the'Scripture (lol and rofl), you will be wrong.Go to Qur'an and realise that God is completely different from His creation. Their Images are not similar in any way! But am waiting for your diversion(s), which you will call reply or replies from the locust cloud!
cgift (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #688 on: January 30, 2008, 01:12 PM »

Hey! You guys are too militant!  Please calm down Grin You have all gone 'astray' from the topic. Olabowale, don't you think that it is wrong to describe something too esoteric for you with derogatory words? I mean, the bible itself calls the relationship and workings of the Godhead a mystery in 2 Timothy where it says Great is the mystery of godliness, , . Hence, you are not expected to ordinarily understand it. The quran on the other hand has no esoteric stuffs - i mean, you can read it and understand what it is saying because it is purely written in literary manner without parables or tough to crack sayings and relationships because that is how "Allah" wanted it. abi?

So, if you understand that, respect what the bible says it is: mystery and therefore difficult to understand (at least to you) and not try using your mind to decipher it when those who are  even the children of the Father are still getting new revelations of scriptures of the Bible.

All the best.
olabowale (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #689 on: January 30, 2008, 01:25 PM »

@Cgift: From the mouth of babes and the mouth of Timothy as quoted above: The verse gave a 50/50 probability of maybe or maybe not!

By cgift, you did not use the words of Jesus himself, in Mark 12 Vese 29 (Bless you and God guidiance of your heart, +Osisi), the Gospel, rather you are quoting Timothy a simple epistle/letter, to encourage a group. You can write anything, including your own opinions, like what Paul did!

Iyen iwo, where did you ever respect Allah, the Prophet and the Qur'an a book that is firmly writing down, yet you want me to respect an ever changing  and never stable Bible? I do respectyour book by writing the B in capital. But I disagree with any lies that is against Jesus! And that is what we are point out to you guys.
cgift (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #690 on: January 30, 2008, 03:24 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on January 30, 2008, 01:25 PM
@Cgift: From the mouth of babes and the mouth of Timothy as quoted above: The verse gave a 50/50 probability of maybe or maybe not!

By cgift, you did not use the words of Jesus himself, in Mark 12 Vese 29 (Bless you and God guidiance of your heart, +Osisi), the Gospel, rather you are quoting Timothy a simple epistle/letter, to encourage a group. You can write anything, including your own opinions, like what Paul did!

Iyen iwo, where did you ever respect Allah, the Prophet and the Qur'an a book that is firmly writing down, yet you want me to respect an ever changing  and never stable Bible? I do respectyour book by writing the B in capital. But I disagree with any lies that is against Jesus! And that is what we are point out to you guys.

Olabowale,

You really amaze me. Your case is like that of a man and his child. The man knows the keys to his safe box in his house to get a document. His son wakes up one morning and says he is going to find take that document by force without knowing the code. Is that not an exercise in futility? We Christains on this forum look at you and read your comments and just smile/laugh knowing fully well that you can't understand except you have been chosen by Yahweh to understand and He opens up your spiritual eyes. That is my prayer for you anyway. Allah is not the Almighty Yahweh. Allah was in existence before Mohammad.

On the other hand, if you want me to refer you to where Jesus himself said that His words are enigmatic, see them below in his very own words and not Paul's.

Joh 16:12  I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. ~ that His disciples wont be able to understand them even if He tells them. You too, if perhaps God in His lovingkindness chooses to reveal Himself to you through Christ, then He will bring your mind up to speed in Understanding these things.

Mr 4:12  That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; ~ I want to believe this is very clear. Jesus knew that most would hear and not understand. It is a mystery. Jesus himself affirmed it. so please, just leave it the way it is and only pray to "Allah" perhaps if he can hear that he opens your mind to understand these things we are saying. Or better still to the God the Christains pray unto. I am sure He will hear you. Yes. Just pray this prayer : Oh you God of the Jesus Christ wom the christians call unto, if you are really there and what these christains say you are, reveal yourself to me in a way I wont be able to refute.

Point of note, Paul only expounded based on the grace Jesus Christ gave him. He did not come to destroy the law or teachings of Christ. He only expounded on the teachings of Christ.

Many blessings.
+osisi
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #691 on: January 30, 2008, 05:52 PM »

cgift long time.

@olabowole,the carnal man can never ever understand the things of the Spirit so I'm unable to help you in that manner.
The only thing I ask,if truly you desire the truth,pray a simple sincere prayer with a genuine yearning in your spirit

Lord Jesus,if truly you are who babyosisi and all these nairaland Christians say you are
I ask you to come into my heart
and reveal yourself to me.

That is the only solution I can offer you honey.
Jesus NEVER fails

watch a few testimonies
http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com/watch.asp
holythug (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #692 on: January 30, 2008, 07:37 PM »

olabowale may God help u  Embarrassed
pilgrim.1 (f)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #693 on: January 30, 2008, 08:02 PM »

Amen.
olabowale (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #694 on: January 31, 2008, 01:44 AM »

@holythug:
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olabowale may God help u 
I remember talking to you in less than three weeks ago. I remember that you said that you are a Muslim. Now which God are you seeking (its) aid/help for me; Christian God or Muslim God (Allah)? As they say in Ijebu land: Igi eleera lo ma yo ra e ni nu ino!You act like a none Muslim, and you claim that you are a Muslim! It may be that you are a Muslim, but your action is unIslamic. We call people like you Munaffiqiin! There is greater punishment for hypocrite than disbelievers, Jews, Christians etc.

If you are a Muslim, you have not displayed Islam in you. If you are not a Muslim, my guess was right in the first place.
pahtahkee
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #695 on: January 31, 2008, 07:53 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on January 31, 2008, 01:44 AM
I remember talking to you in less than three weeks ago. I remember that you said that you are a Muslim. Now which God are you seeking (its) aid/help for me; Christian God or Muslim God (Allah)? As they say in Ijebu land: Igi eleera lo ma yo ra e ni nu ino!
There is one only one true and living God! The one who makes the heaven is throne and the earth his footstool. The Mighty and loving God, the One who heals from our infirmities, the Everlasting Father! Him alone is God and no other!

Quote from: olabowale on January 31, 2008, 01:44 AM
You act like a none Muslim, and you claim that you are a Muslim! It may be that you are a Muslim, but your action is unIslamic. We call people like you Munaffiqiin! There is greater punishment for hypocrite than disbelievers, Jews, Christians etc.

Since when did you become a judge and accuser of men? What constitutes an Islamic action? Not seeking and wanting to know the truth? Waiting for your Alfas to beginning their cursing spree early in the morning in the name of prayers? Or is as the quran states: Kill the infidels, that is to you Islamic action?

What greater punishment exist for hypocrite than Jews, Christians, when we all know Mo died with cursing Christians as the last throw of his saliva into the environment?


Quote from: olabowale on January 31, 2008, 01:44 AM
If you are a Muslim, you have not displayed Islam in you. If you are not a Muslim, my guess was right in the first place.
What exactly is this Islam of yours? I remember you once stating that: You are a Muslim but you are not in Islam. Are you not confused? Undecided
cgift (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #696 on: January 31, 2008, 08:36 AM »

Olabowale,

Please put our advice to test. You will shocked at what response you will receive from Yahweh - Jehovah Elshaddai! Christ wil reveal Himself to you fast and you will scales falling off your eyes.

Peace.
imhotep
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #697 on: January 31, 2008, 08:56 AM »

Why are muslims always yelling and cursing everybody that is not a muslim?

Islam came 560yrs after Christ. They owe the Christians a lot of respect.
luvus
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #698 on: January 31, 2008, 12:44 PM »

Quote from: imhotep on January 31, 2008, 08:56 AM
Why are muslims always yelling and cursing everybody that is not a muslim?

Islam came 560yrs after Christ. They owe the Christians a lot of respect.

tell em oh Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
olabowale (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #699 on: January 31, 2008, 03:34 PM »

@Cgift:
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Olabowale,
You really amaze me. Your case is like that of a man and his child. The man knows the keys to his safe box in his house to get a document. His son wakes up one morning and says he is going to find take that document by force without knowing the code. Is that not an exercise in futility? We Christains on this forum look at you and read your comments and just smile/laugh knowing fully well that you can't understand except you have been chosen by Yahweh to understand and He opens up your spiritual eyes. That is my prayer for you anyway. Allah is not the Almighty Yahweh. Allah was in existence before Mohammad.
I bet you do not know what the call 'Jaws of life!'  The child got it. Or the door rammer, of the cop, or a winch attached to a Hummer! In using any of these above and even a simple mechanised steel/metal cutter with diamond head/tongue/teeth, the safe is a going to! Thanks, for your prayer for yourself! I do not need the prayer of a multiple godhead worshipper; one god head of father, the second god head for son and the third godhead for holyghost! darn Keferi!

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On the other hand, if you want me to refer you to where Jesus himself said that His words are enigmatic, see them below in his very own words and not Paul's.
Joh 16:12  I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. ~ that His disciples wont be able to understand them even if He tells them. You too, if perhaps God in His lovingkindness chooses to reveal Himself to you through Christ, then He will bring your mind up to speed in Understanding these things.
Yet, Jesus finds his disciples (companions) deficient. But you a Yoruba man, who came almost 200 years after this infamous sentence, have greater believe in Jesus than them! So it will mean one thing though: that paul, who came after Jesus left, just had a bit of better understanding of Jesus than Jesus apostles. Then the knowledged increased from there on. It is as if you are saying that every generation knows more about Jesus than the preceeding generation before it! It tells me that the least knowledgeable is the Aspstles and you are definitely more knowledgeable than Paul, who is even more knowledgeable than them. Further, in the future, the generations to come will be more knowledgeable than you and the greatest of knowledge will be found in the generation that the earth/mankind will end on!

If this is so, Cgift, I ask you how do you explain Mark 12:29, versus how those who were with Jesus explained it? I will not test you on the people of the future. I pray that the Muslims of their time, in the future will put them through the grinder. Just one thing; Can you tell us what Jesus was going to say, but did not say it anyway (referring to John 16  verse 12)? What impact would it have had on the Christians if he had said it? Is there any deficiency in Christianity, since he did not say it? Or Jesus saying did not matter much, since Paul absorbed you of everything and took the ministry of jesus to a new height, a different direction, to others who were not supposed to be part of it? Talk to me Cgift!

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Mr 4:12  That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; ~ I want to believe this is very clear. Jesus knew that most would hear and not understand. It is a mystery. Jesus himself affirmed it. so please, just leave it the way it is and only pray to "Allah" perhaps if he can hear that he opens your mind to understand these things we are saying. Or better still to the God the Christains pray unto. I am sure He will hear you. Yes. Just pray this prayer : Oh you God of the Jesus Christ wom the christians call unto, if you are really there and what these christains say you are, reveal yourself to me in a way I wont be able to refute.
Nice try, Cgift. Jesus was talking to his companions/apostles! He was talking to you Christians. Not to us, the Muslims! That is not his place to tell the believers of his own God! Afterall he did not address Zachariah and his son Yahya, in any condescending manner! Jesus was talking about you who will see that there is One God, yet you choose to associate gods with God. He was talking about you who will hear words of calling to guidance, yet you refused to bulge!

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Point of note, Paul only expounded based on the grace Jesus Christ gave him. He did not come to destroy the law or teachings of Christ. He only expounded on the teachings of Christ.
And while at it the dietary law was abrogated, and replaced by 'all you can eat!' While at it graven image was permitted, like the cross, cruxifix, etc. And while at it the idea of trinity was gathered to undermine, the first few commandments and yet, the word trinity was not goodenough to enter the pages of the Bible! What a load of crock!

@Pahtahkee:
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What exactly is this Islam of yours? I remember you once stating that: You are a Muslim but you are not in Islam. Are you not confused?
You sound like that dude, the Orishi (orisi) rishi (risi) you, called Mr pataki! Nonetheless, if you can find anywhere that i said an not in Islam, bring it out! I clearly said that I am not ISLAM! See?

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Since when did you become a judge and accuser of men? What constitutes an Islamic action? Not seeking and wanting to know the truth? Waiting for your Alfas to beginning their cursing spree early in the morning in the name of prayers? Or is as the quran states: Kill the infidels, that is to you Islamic action?
What greater punishment exist for hypocrite than Jews, Christians, when we all know Mo died with cursing Christians as the last throw of his saliva into the environment?
I am not an acuser and judge of anyone. However the action of a man tell us in Islam where his heart lies. If it does apply to your Christian thinking, change religion, you have been insincere all along! The truth is what or rather which: Mark 12 verse 29 or three godheads? The word infidel(s), is not an arabic word! You were at the death bed of the holy prophet (as)? Was there any Christian or Jew there? Look he was not in pain, hence to say that he was cursing Jews, who were cursed from the mouths of King Prophet David ad Prother Jesus (as Jami'a), to name just a few and the christians, if the apostles were considered Christians, were derided by Jesus to have the littliest of understand, (John 16:12), derided as blind (Mr. 4:12), and in other places where they ask him for a sign of his prophethood, he derided them of having littliest of faith! Are these statement of praises? I am not surprised that Paul able to put a choke hold on the companions/apostles, and later the later generations, in successions eat the lies up. You are eating it up now, and in the future, the future generations will eat it all up the same way.

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There is one only one true and living God! The one who makes the heaven is throne and the earth his footstool. The Mighty and loving God, the One who heals from our infirmities, the Everlasting Father! Him alone is God and no other!
You lied when you said 'father!'




babs787 (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #700 on: February 01, 2008, 08:06 PM »

@pilgrim.1

Here is your sister's ()Babyosis) quote:

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Yes babs,the Holy Spirit has been in existence since creation
At creation,the Bible said the Spirit of God aka Holy Spirit moved over the face of the waters.


She confirmed it that the Holy spirit has been in existence since creation. Now if the holy spirit has been since creation, how come 'another' comforter to come would be that same holy spirit that has been in existence since creation? How many wouold we be having?

Jesus made it known that if he did not go, the spirit would not come and that if he leaves, the spirt would come. This shows that the spirit to come has never been in existence and would be a a new creature to come after Jesus.

Think and get in touch again. Cool
focused (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #701 on: February 01, 2008, 08:23 PM »

@Olabowale and babs :

Olabowale and babs, I plead the blood of Jesus on your behalf. How can you call Muhammed a comforter HuhHuh??  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked.

We all know that Muhammed was serial polygamist, militant and a terrorist .

Maybe he is your personal comforter  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin. That is why you are commanded to hate Jews and christians and never take them as friends. That is why you(Islamic people) kill human beings like someone who is slaughtering chickens, or someone who is slaughtering Eid el fitri rams without being prickled in your conscience, because that is muslims traditional duties  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin. That is why you force your religion down people's throat. Oma se ooooooo

The comforter that Jesus was talking about came 40 days after Jesus ascended into heaven on the day of pentecost.  As a result, they were directed and guided by the comforter. So the day of pentecost ,  was 600 years after the world's trouble maker Muhammed was born.

Olabowale give your life to God and run away from this cult called Islam before it is too late. Islam is like any other cult that tries to give legitimacy to its false religion and they try to hide facts. Anyone who dare exposes their secret will be targeted for destruction. Just like Salma Rushdie who exposes the satanic verses and the so called Ayatollah issued a fatwa that anyone who can kill him will be given a huge sum of money  Undecided. And you claim that is a religion of peace,  ,

Look at what your Northern Muslim brothes are doing to other Southerners. So Islam speaks for itself that the founder is the devil, because God does not force people. God created human being to have choice either to do good or do evil but he will warn you of the consequences of doing evil, but he will not force you.

E gba wa lowo Islam o. The brainwashing and the lies embedded in this Islam is alarming and unbelievable.
olabowale (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #702 on: February 02, 2008, 05:19 PM »

@Focused: I happen to be a Southern man. Hello! Islam is not a Northern Nigerian religions and not even a Makkan or Madinan religion! Stop being so unintelligent, in your presentation. You claim to be in England, am certain that you must have seen Muslims who are not Northern Nigerians or even Nigerians. If this happens to you, in the future, do not panic. Stay calm and put your think cap that you must have acquired from halls of learnings, on! lol. Your blood of Jesus is on your hand. Infact dip yourself in it, before it bgins to degrade. I know, it is nit physical. Nothing is physical in Christianity! Even you are not physical. No wonder when Jesus said in Mark 12 Verse 29 that the God of the Children of Israel and his God, is but One God!, is not taking literarily for its weight and connent, even though as it came from the mouth of the master Jesus, directly!

The Christian had to put a spin on it! The same way they put a spin on Jesus instructions to his 'apostles,' about selling their cloaks and buying swords (ammunitions) instead. Just the same way that Trinity is being rammed into our throat, even though, as a word it does not appear on any page of the "Bible!" Can you imagine if Laa ilaha ilallah, does not appear on any page of the Qur'an? Or that Jesus was not a more than a man prophet/messender, a creation, or Salah, Zakah, Saum and Hajj. If any of these is not on the page of Qur'an, how can the Muslims then talk about it? This is your problem; go and find your trinity on the pages of the Bible, you will never find it! Here is what you need to do, tell me if Focused is never known on the Nairaland as a male, how can we define this unknown (Focused), by claiming that we have a develoed idea, which we suddenly claimed to be 'FOCUSED?'
imhotep
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #703 on: February 02, 2008, 09:34 PM »



And what does Jannat hold for those behind the WTC plane hijacks/crashes that killed thousands of innocent people?
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