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Logical (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #704 on: February 02, 2008, 09:59 PM »

Quote from: imhotep on February 02, 2008, 09:34 PM
And what does Jannat hold for those behind the WTC plane hijacks/crashes that killed thousands of innocent people?

Just curious, did America released evidence to incriminate the Islamic religion or Al-Kaedah?  Or maybe I am missing something?
4Him (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #705 on: February 02, 2008, 10:12 PM »

Quote from: Logical on February 02, 2008, 09:59 PM
Just curious, did America released evidence to incriminate the Islamic religion or Al-Kaedah? Or maybe I am missing something?

America and Al qaeda have released more than enough evidence. A certain Zacarias Moussaoui is serving a life sentence in Colorado for having been a party to the attacks.
Logical (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #706 on: February 02, 2008, 10:28 PM »

Quote from: 4Him on February 02, 2008, 10:12 PM
America and Al qaeda have released more than enough evidence. A certain Zacarias Moussaoui is serving a life sentence in Colorado for having been a party to the attacks.

Interesting, is this a material evidence, References on the net would be appreciated. We all can say anything of relevance to support our motions, but without evidence it does not have substance. So I would need references to those evidences you talked about here.
4Him (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #707 on: February 02, 2008, 10:47 PM »

Quote from: Logical on February 02, 2008, 10:28 PM
Interesting, is this a material evidence, References on the net would be appreciated. We all can say anything of relevance to support our motions, but without evidence it does not have substance. So I would need references to those evidences you talked about here.

You don't know about the trial and conviction of Zaccarias Moussaoui . . .  Shocked I rest my case.
Logical (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #708 on: February 02, 2008, 10:49 PM »

Quote from: 4Him on February 02, 2008, 10:47 PM
You don't know about the trial and conviction of Zaccarias Moussaoui . . .  Shocked I rest my case.

Zaccarias Moussaoui is irrelevant to your answer to my question below.


Quote from: Logical on February 02, 2008, 09:59 PM
Just curious, did America released evidence to incriminate the Islamic religion or Al-Kaedah?  Or maybe I am missing something?


During the trial, Moussaoui initially stated that he was not involved in the September 11 attacks, but that he was planning an attack of his own. Some al-Qaeda members reportedly corroborated Moussaoui's statement to an extent, saying that he was involved in a plot other than September 11, but prosecutors believed that his story had no merit.

According to the Associated Press, three jurors decided Moussaoui had only limited knowledge of the September 11 plot, and three described his role in the attacks as minor, if he had any role at all.
4Him (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #709 on: February 02, 2008, 10:57 PM »

Quote from: Logical on February 02, 2008, 10:49 PM
Zaccarias Moussaoui is irrelevant to your answer to my question below.

During the trial, Moussaoui initially stated that he was not involved in the September 11 attacks, but that he was planning an attack of his own. Some al-Qaeda members reportedly corroborated Moussaoui's statement to an extent, saying that he was involved in a plot other than September 11, but prosecutors believed that his story had no merit.

Moussaoui was convicted on the basis of being the 20th bomber who however did not participate in the attacks.

You did get the last few lines of your post off wikipedia (an indication of how little u really know about this issue despite basing a conclusion on it) . . . i suggest you read a little further and not rely solely on wikipedia.

Al qaeda as early as 2004 did admit sole responsibility for the 9-11 attacks on recorded video messages broadcast on al jazeera.
Logical (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #710 on: February 02, 2008, 11:04 PM »

yes I did get it from wikipedia, and you only knew that because you had to check authority to confirm your supposed knowledge and saw the similarities. What I don't get is the relevance.

Perhaps you did not get my question. There is no evidence to support that sept 11 was orchestrated by the religion Islam. Forget Al Ka-edah or whatever they call themselves.

Please tell me where my argument is impaired, or what I have said exactly that is not correct, so that we can debate from there, and you have not answered my question with material facts yet. Thank you.
4Him (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #711 on: February 03, 2008, 12:23 AM »

Quote from: Logical on February 02, 2008, 11:04 PM
yes I did get it from wikipedia, and you only knew that because you had to check authority to confirm your supposed knowledge and saw the similarities. What I don't get is the relevance.

perhaps i shld remind you that the trial of Moussaoui was common knowledge on TV networks here.

Quote from: Logical on February 02, 2008, 11:04 PM
Perhaps you did not get my question. There is no evidence to support that sept 11 was orchestrated by the religion Islam. Forget Al Ka-edah or whatever they call themselves.

Al aqaeda has claimed sole responsibility for 9-11 so there is no forgetting them. Unless of course you can also prove that the ideology of islamic supremacy is not behind al qaeda.

Quote from: Logical on February 02, 2008, 11:04 PM
Please tell me where my argument is impaired, or what I have said exactly that is not correct, so that we can debate from there, and you have not answered my question with material facts yet. Thank you.

You ask for material facts . . . the problem is there are NONE to support your side of view either.
olabowale (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #712 on: February 03, 2008, 01:29 AM »

@Imhotep: What does Jannat hold for the people behind 911, you said? The question should be complete, since Pentagon in Washington DC was also hit under the same condition. Here is how your question should read, instead of the half stepping question, you asked: What does Jannat holds for the people behind 911, which brought down the whole of World Trade Center complex buildings, and tremendously damaged the Pentagon? Now thats a better and more complete question.

Imhotep, please answer it for us?
babs787 (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #713 on: February 03, 2008, 03:44 PM »

Salam all

Nice posts.
focused (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #714 on: February 03, 2008, 05:35 PM »

@Olabowale :

You are always talking and asking question about the trinity and the God head. They have explained these to you but you deliberately want to twist things around.

Do you know that you are tripatite creation, because you are created in the image of God just like the book of Genesis says: Let us create man in our image and likeness ? That is your body, spirit and soul. Will you call yourself a three separate human beings Huh?

If the witches or wizards for instance what to deal with you in their coven, do you know that they will call out your spirit, which is just exactly like you and anything they do to your spirit man will automatically happens to you body in the physical.
babs787 (m)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #715 on: February 03, 2008, 05:51 PM »

@focused


Quote
You are always talking and asking question about the trinity and the God head. They have explained these to you but you deliberately want to twist things around.


Can I have the explanation or better still you go this link for exposure:

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-103159.0.html


Also:

"THE TRINITY OF GOD IS DEFINED BY THE CHURCH AS THE BELIEF THAT IN GOD ARE THREE PERSONS WHO SUBSIST IN ONE NATURE. THAT BELIEF AS SO DEFINED WAS REACHED ONLY IN THE 4th AND 5th CENTURIES AD AND HENCE IS NOT EXPLICITLY AND FORMALLY A BIBLICAL BELIEF.


Another:

This polytheistic (believing in more than one god) Trinitarianism was intertwined with Greek religion and philosophy and slowly worked its way into Christian thought and creeds some 300 years after Jesus. The idea of "God the Son" is Babylonian paganism and mythology that was grafted into Christianity. Tertullian, a lawyer and presbyter of the third century Church in Carthage, was the first to use the word "Trinity" when he put forth the theory that the Son and the Spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being of substance with the Father.
 

Lastly:

Three centuries after Jesus, the corrupt emperor Constantine forced the minority opinion of the trinity upon the council of Nicea. The Christian church went downward from there; in fact some of the creeds and councils actually contradict each other. The council of Nicea 325 said that "Jesus Christ is God," the council of Constantinople 381 said that "the Holy Spirit is God," the council of Ephesus 431 said that "human beings are totally depraved," the council of Chalcedon 451 said that "Jesus Christ is both man and God." 

imhotep
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #716 on: February 03, 2008, 06:04 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on February 03, 2008, 01:29 AM
@Imhotep: What does Jannat hold for the people behind 911, you said? The question should be complete, since Pentagon in Washington DC was also hit under the same condition. Here is how your question should read, instead of the half stepping question, you asked: What does Jannat holds for the people behind 911, which brought down the whole of World Trade Center complex buildings, and tremendously damaged the Pentagon? Now thats a better and more complete question.

Imhotep, please answer it for us?

Well said. You took the words right out of my mouth! How many virgins will be waiting for Osama's boys???

Quote from: Logical on February 02, 2008, 09:59 PM
Just curious, did America released evidence to incriminate the Islamic religion or Al-Kaedah? Or maybe I am missing something?
If Osama bin Laden is so innocent, why is he hiding so desperately???
May kelly (f)
Re: Bounties Of Jannat (paradise)
« #717 on: February 06, 2008, 04:57 PM »

focused (m) what are you doubting about
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