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Nezan (m)
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True, muslims are violent and the koran supports violence.
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olabowale (m)
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true born again christians are unforgiving, whine alot, repeat the same thing over and again, as broken record, and very violent even though supposed to turn the other cheek! Nezan, how to like the nice come back?
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Abuzola (m)
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Nezan is just one chop alone and die alone man, am sure he cheats on his wife, he romances with office girls, watch porn on laptop or Computer at work, the guy is so greedy that he doesn't have internet connection in his home, he manage to come to NL and porn site with office laptop or computer, what an opportunist. Am sure you nezan can't read my post till you go to work. I have studied your time of coming to work and closing through your login. timing. What an opportunist !
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Nezan (m)
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Thank God am an opportunist who has a job and comes to work daily, not some jobless teenager who spens his entire time on NairaLand. How do you expect me to browse at home when I attend to family issues after work. As you earlier insulted me, you know I have my wife's pants to wash after work, so how do you expect me to browse at home, my boy?? ,,,,,,,, typical of a muslim mentality who has four women and consider them as properties, not as helpmeets.
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olabowale (m)
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GUYS, please no personal attacks! We should not be fighting one another. Maybe we should be kinder and gentler people. I am adopting that attitude towards many if not all.
No fighting, please.
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davidylan (m)
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GUYS, please no personal attacks! We should not be fighting one another. Maybe we should be kinder and gentler people. I am adopting that attitude towards many if not all.
No fighting, please.
 This must be the effect of Ramadan.  |
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Abuzola (m)
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@nezan, i apologize if you find my words offensive
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Nezan (m)
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Did I tell you I need your apologies?
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olabowale (m)
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@Davidylan: It turns a roaring lion to a gentle feline, a cat meow, not purring though! Thats for the others. Why dont you become muslims for the rest of the ramadhan?
I think you are afraid that you may like it! Its gonna come, because am certain that down the line in your Ijebu Ode blood, some of your grand parents, etc was a muslim. Ask daddy, he will tell you, until the white people forced them to become Keferi, the same line you are tolling today.
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Nezan (m)
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Did fasting originate from muslims? It is only Christians that do the real fast. A guy eats a heavy early breakfast and a heavy late dinner and claims he is fasting |
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Really ? Ignorant people believe fasting is only abstaining from food ? God have mercy on them. What makes you think people emanciate when fasting ? In this there is a lesson for the wise
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Nezan (m)
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who needs an ignorant slave of allah like you to explain fasting to?
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muhsin (m)
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sleek29 (m)
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Did fasting originate from muslims? It is only Christians that do the real fast. A guy eats a heavy early breakfast and a heavy late dinner and claims he is fasting don't mind them, you ask them why they fast, they'll tell you they want to feel what the poor feel and i wonder how they achieve that after downing eba 4:30am and then extra feeding themselves at night. |
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olabowale (m)
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@Nezan:Hear this keferi, kiriyo man. Nezan, am talking to you with your worships of 3 gods in 1, and you have the strength to say that you fast. You know the Onifaas and the Onisongos, etc of yoruba traditional religions (animists) do fast, too. Who do they direct their fast to? Their gods, in their individual rites.
Now to you, we cant deny that you fast as christians. Thats obvious, at least the catholics do lent. Your dry fast is of your own desire, like all the others whims that you do out of group or personal desires. Who do you direct your your fast to: Is it father sitting on the throne, or is it Jesus the son who will sit or is siiting on the right side (and who is on the left? Lol) or the always docile Holy Spirit, until we see that he as an equal or less of a God in the three Gods, of the Trinity drove Jesus "into the wilderness" into the arms of Satan to "Tempt Jesus, at least 3 Times"? I dont wanna talk about how absurd the whole world at a glance in the temptation revealing the silly heroic image of impossibility that I will discuss it at another time, along with satan tempting "god" to give him what he already own.
Can anyone tempt you, nezan that he will let you be the husband of your lovely wife, when you are already her husband, with two beautiful daughter's from her and God willing if you are up to the task, still more in your future? If anyone can do that to you, then let me know, and I will tempt you from where I am, about her in your Abuja with some easy for you thing to do. And if you dont do it, then you have no "right" to her anymore! This does not make any sense, or does it, to you?
Or did Jesus himself got the tradition of fasting 40 days and 40 nights from the fast of Moses when he received the Ten Commandments at Mt. Sinai? Notice that these were 40 days and 40 nights, and not less! Contrast that with the 3 days and 3 nights of Jesus promising to spend in the belly of the earth, in this case the group chose a mere cave (Please is that the belly of the earth? Grave is a belly, Michael is been encased into one), the sign of his prophethood, as the peoplr with "ye people of little faith", demanded. The three days and three nights "sign" is supposed to be similar to an earlier "prophetic sign", that of Jonah in the "belly" of the Whale.
While Jonah was swallowed alive by a Whale, Jonah remained alive in the belly and coughed out, after 3 days and 3 nights of Jewish day beginning and ending were completed, different from what happened to Jesus, from Friday's just moments before sundown, and before day break of Sunday! Some tradition report that Jonah was swallowed by the first whale or a another fish, which in turn was swallowed by a larger whale,. But whether its one whale or the one was also swallowed by a bigger whale, Jonah's case was a complete miracle, well known to the total Jewish nations, as they are in nations of 12 tribes based on the male children of Jacob/Israel.
If Jesus of the Bible, the god of the christians made this "promise of giving a sign loke the sign of Jonah" and we read that it is at least a night short and or a day short, his prophetic promise is not fulfilled to this day, and if he died in the process, he failed woefully, while Jonah must be a better man, and I wonder why he is not the god of the christians, too?! Afterall, you christians love romantically heroic story, what happened to Jonah is a better story than what happened to Jesus. The Whale of Jonah moved about, even to the depth of the sea, either isolated of in pod with other Whales, but all the while Jonah was alive. When he was coughed out alive, Jonahonly had skinsore and nothing more!
Jesus on the other hand spent less than his own promised period of three days and three nights, in the belly of the earth, similar to Jonah's Whale's! Neither in the time spent or in any belly! Cave is not a belly, and if it was, the women with the oils to anoit a dead man or rob on the body of a"dead man, a corpse", is a no tradition of any of the 12 nations of Israel, were also in the belly of the earth! In every which way, the promise was not fulfilled.
Now going back to your fasting thingy, proof Islam wrong by becoming a muslim for the rest of the 19 or 18 days. You can start by taking the shahada, then make all the Salah, night and day and before dawn but after midnight. Then eat 10 portions of what you used to eat or as much as you can consume, for your beginning of the fast meal. In abuja that shoud be about 4.30 am, I think. Then you break your fast, say when the sun sets at about 7.30 pm, with your 10 times or regular meal, keeping all your normal daily activities. By the time the fast period of the remaining days, I guarantee that you will know that Khaki no be leda!
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olabowale (m)
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@Sleek29: The first reason we fast is on the pages of the Quran itself. Allah commands fasting on Muslim in Surah Baqarah. And the other reasons are in there, too. And one is to be a Muhsin (a doer of good for the pleasure of Allah only). Read the verses below, and you can even have sex at night, too.
2:183 Muhsin Khan: O you who believe! Observing As-Saum (the fasting) is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
2:184 Muhsin Khan: [Observing Saum (fasts)] for a fixed number of days, but if any of you is ill or on a journey, the same number (should be made up) from other days. And as for those who can fast with difficulty, (e.g. an old man, etc.), they have (a choice either to fast or) to feed a Miskin (poor person) (for every day). But whoever does good of his own accord, it is better for him. And that you fast, it is better for you if only you know.
2:185 Muhsin Khan: The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Quran, a guidance for mankind and clear proofs for the guidance and the criterion (between right and wrong). So whoever of you sights (the crescent on the first night of) the month (of Ramadan i.e. is present at his home), he must observe Saum (fasts) that month, and whoever is ill or on a journey, the same number [of days which one did not observe Saum (fasts) must be made up] from other days. Allah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you. (He wants that you) must complete the same number (of days), and that you must magnify Allah [i.e. to say Takbir (Allahu-Akbar; Allah is the Most Great) on seeing the crescent of the months of Ramadan and Shawwal] for having guided you so that you may be grateful to Him.
2:186 Muhsin Khan: And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright.
2:187 Muhsin Khan: It is made lawful for you to have sexual relations with your wives on the night of As-Saum (the fasts). They are Libas [i.e. body cover, or screen, or Sakan, (i.e. you enjoy the pleasure of living with her - as in Verse 7:189) Tafsir At-Tabari], for you and you are the same for them. Allah knows that you used to deceive yourselves, so He turned to you (accepted your repentance) and forgave you. So now have sexual relations with them and seek that which Allah has ordained for you (offspring), and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night), then complete your Saum (fast) till the nightfall. And do not have sexual relations with them (your wives) while you are in I'tikaf (i.e. confining oneself in a mosque for prayers and invocations leaving the worldly activities) in the mosques. These are the limits (set) by Allah, so approach them not. Thus does Allah make clear His Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, revelations, verses, laws, legal and illegal things, Allah's set limits, orders, etc.) to mankind that they may become Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
2:188 Muhsin Khan: And eat up not one another's property unjustly (in any illegal way e.g. stealing, robbing, deceiving, etc.), nor give bribery to the rulers (judges before presenting your cases) that you may knowingly eat up a part of the property of others sinfully.
2:189 Muhsin Khan: They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage. It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, etc.) that you enter the houses from the back but Al-Birr (is the quality of the one) who fears Allah. So enter houses through their proper doors, and fear Allah that you may be successful.
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Nezan (m)
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@ olabowale, your rather very long post doesnt change any of these facts:
*That Jesus is God the Son, at the name of which every knee shall bow, including yours and mohammed's
*That a typical muslim eats a heavy early breakfast and a heavy late dinner and claims that he is fasting
Now let me tell you, Christian fast is for spiritual upliftment in contrast to your claims that you fast to have a feel of the experience of the poor, let me tell you, why a rich muslim eats assorted foods in the morning and evening while claiming to fast, a poor moslem eats 'akara' with 'palp' in the morning and possibly a poor meal in the evening. That explains why poor muslims hide and eat at every time of the day during the ramadan fast.
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olabowale (m)
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@Nezan:« #81 on: Today at 12:55:57 PM » @ olabowale, your rather very long post doesnt change any of these facts: It was not meant for you heart of steel. Stone sometimes cry and you see the wetness when you lift it up, after a good soaking of rainfall. Steel rots, such a heart you have; hard and rotten. *That Jesus is God the Son, at the name of which every knee shall bow, including yours and mohammed's No knees will bow, because knees dont bow. Bad processing. Head bows. But if any knee bows, it is that of Kufar, like you, in the same way the orishongo knee down before their altars! And dont forget that Muhammad (AS) already led Isa bin Mariam and all the other prophets and Malaika Jibril (AS) in Salah Alal-Ibrahima in Ilya's Masjid Aqsa in Isra part of Isra wa Miraj Journey! *That a typical muslim eats a heavy early breakfast and a heavy late dinner and claims that he is fasting Why dont you take up my challenge and see say kaki no be fake leda, ogbeni? You cant do it, can you? Now let me tell you, Christian fast is for spiritual upliftment in contrast to your claims that you fast to have a feel of the experience of the poor, let me tell you, why a rich muslim eats assorted foods in the morning and evening while claiming to fast, a poor moslem eats 'akara' with 'palp' in the morning and possibly a poor meal in the evening. That explains why poor muslims hide and eat at every time of the day during the ramadan fast. I drank water this morning before dawn. Akara and Ogbi is even more expensive than water. And InshaAllah, I will break my fast at Sunset, a minute or two after. I do not eieve that it is the quality of food that will prevent the pang of Aawe to gbo e! I lifted for your benefit the reason for fasting, the most being commandmend from the Creator, you are giving me your "christian mumbo jumbo for spiritual uplifting fasting reason!" Who commanded fasting on you, except Jesus was copying as to make sure that Moses' Mt. Sinai tradion remains. The same tradition you cancelled out on your own. The same tradition you nnow say its been reduced to Love your God and neighbor! Ogbeni, stop this charade. Today, Darby Bible Company of America, the Publisher of NIV Bible is preparing to once more edit the Bible to make in your lifetime the Quranic verse that says that you have no Bible to stand on comes alive and be proven true, again! |
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tpia.
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a lot of people secretly sneak some victuals into their stomachs during the fast/ramadan. It's mostly about appearances sometimes. anyway: It is made lawful for you to have sexual relations with your wives on the night of As-Saum how many wives to have sex with in one night?  na wa oh. |
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Nezan (m)
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Muhammad (AS) already led Isa bin Mariam and all the other prophets and Malaika Jibril (AS) in Salah Alal-Ibrahima in Ilya's Masjid Aqsa in Isra part of Isra wa Miraj Journey! I believe mohammed wrote this nonsense when he was possessed by one of the demons that made him forget he was having sex with his wives while he was not. |
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Nezan (m)
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Why dont you take up my challenge and see say kaki no be fake leda, ogbeni? You cant do it, can you? If I can fast without eating for a full day, what makes you think I will not be able to take a heavy early breakfast and a heavy late dinner? |
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Nezan (m)
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I drank water this morning before dawn. Akara and Ogbi is even more expensive than water. And InshaAllah, I will break my fast at Sunset, a minute or two after. I do not eieve that it is the quality of food that will prevent the pang of Aawe to gbo e! I lifted for your benefit the reason for fasting, the most being commandmend from the Creator, you are giving me your "christian mumbo jumbo for spiritual uplifting fasting reason!" Does that make you a better muslim than those that eats heavy early breakfast and heavy late dinner? I know all muslims are afraid of spiritual discourse.  |
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Nezan (m)
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Who commanded fasting on you, except Jesus was copying as to make sure that Moses' Mt. Sinai tradion remains. The same tradition you cancelled out on your own. The same tradition you nnow say its been reduced to Love your God and neighbor! Just as mohammed copied it from Jesus and reduced it to eating heavy breakfast and heavy late dinner? |
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Nezan (m)
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Ogbeni, stop this charade. Today, Darby Bible Company of America, the Publisher of NIV Bible is preparing to once more edit the Bible to make in your lifetime the Quranic verse that says that you have no Bible to stand on comes alive and be proven true, again! Just like contemporaries of mohammed edited the koran and abrogated some verses like the satanic verses?what of the different versions of the koran? you can only play those mindgames on people who dont know about islam and muslims.  |
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olabowale (m)
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if what said were true, you may have a point. but they are not, the reason you dont have an edition committee in the past 1400 plus years! if binding parchments into a complete book, is the edition that you mean, then the last one was during the kalifah of Uthman ibn Affan (RA), before the ascendancy of Ali AbiTalib (RA).
that is a mark differnce from whats gonna happen with the Bibeli in USA very soon. while Quran verse mentains that your book is corrupt, you help support the notion with all kind of proofs; thread on nairaland discussing versions of Bible, piting one against the other. another thread accusing a sect older by a newer one, while the newer one accuses even a more recent sect as heretic! talk about pot calling kettle black!
i hape you can see that 1400 plus years is 1400 plus years earlier and so doing advantage that so much so over what is about to happen to your Bible and you cant do anything about what decision your leader makes. it actually proofs what Quran said; you worship the word of your leader, by so doing you worship alse God(s)!
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I believe mohammed wrote this nonsense when he was possessed by one of the demons that made him forget he was having sex with his wives while he was not.
Please, Nezan I don't like to hear you talking in such a wretched manner. We are all here for no reason other than understanding one another. Next time consign the abuse into trash. Thanks If I can fast without eating for a full day, what makes you think I will not be able to take a heavy early breakfast and a heavy late dinner?
Humans vary. If you think you can do that, most probably one can't. Period. Does that make you a better muslim than those that eats heavy early breakfast and heavy late dinner? I know all muslims are afraid of spiritual discourse. I don't think he said so to mean so. And what spiritual discourse? You folks are afraid of all discourse, for you barely depend your claim within reasonable circle. Just as mohammed copied it from Jesus and reduced it to eating heavy breakfast and heavy late dinner? Muhammad and Jesus, may Allah exalt their mention, are both prophets sent by Allah, the Exalted. Thus what's there if they shared certain practice? Didn't they both preached monotheist, for example? Just like contemporaries of mohammed edited the koran and abrogated some verses like the satanic verses?what of the different versions of the koran? you can only play those mindgames on people who dont know about islam and muslims. Hmm. You ran away while we were discussing on the authenticity or unauthenticity of "Satanic" verses in the Qur'an. Why are you then claiming there are those verses? Please don't behave like a small kid, man. NB: This discussion is categorically off-topic. If you feel like discussing any of these you can start a fresh thread; there you'll be attended too, inshaAllah. Thanks |
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Muslims today generally insist that their Koran is precisely the wording of the original, and they therefore criticize the many "Versions" of the Christian Bible (even though all those Versions are actually translations of the exact same original Greek and Aramaic source Manuscripts). But such a claim is incorrect. There were at least 14 variant Arabic versions of the Koran in common use around 900 AD, and possibly several more. These arose due to the method of writing and copying that existed at that time. (Short) Vowels were not recorded, only the consonants. The short vowels could sometimes be represented by a comma-like or slanting-dash mark either above or below a letter. Also, differences between 'b' and 't' and 'th', which are identical except for dots (points) that distinguish them, were unclear because the dots were not recorded in the consonantal text of the time. Other letter/sound pairs also have exactly identical symbols. Therefore, a reader or a copyist could sometimes read different actual words from the same set of symbols. No question regarding the ORIGINAL wording was involved, but rather the many variations arose due to writing and copying the texts.
As a result, a number of codices developed:
Very Early:
Uthmanic
Ibn Mas'ud
Ubay ibn Ka'b
Abu Musa al-Ash'ari
Ali
Zayd ibn Thaabit
Abu Dardaa'
Later, the Koranic scholar Abu Bakr Ibn Mujahid (early 900s AD) fixed on one system of consonants and some control on application of vowels, which resulted in the general acceptance of seven basic systems.
The Seven Qiraa'aat (i.e, Readings):
The 'seven readings' were standardized in the second/eighth century. Abu Bakr Ibn Mujahid (d. 936 AD), a ninth-century Muslim scholar from Iraq, wrote a book entitled The Seven Readings, in which he selected seven of the prevailing modes of recitation as the best transmitted and most reliable. Others were subsequently disfavoured and even opposed, among them the readings of Ibn Mas'ud and Ubay ibn Ka'b. However, this is not to say that one must restrict oneself to one of these seven readings, or to all of them. Below are listed the local origin of the seven readings and the names of readers and some later transmitters (in arabic 'raawis') connected with them:
Readers
Naafi' of Medina (middle 700s AD)
Ibn Kathir of Mecca (early 700s AD)
Ibn 'Amir of Damascus (early 700s AD)
Abu 'Amr of Basra (middle 700s AD)
'Aasim of Kufa (early 700s AD)
Hamza of Kufa (middle 700s AD)
Al-Kisaa'i of Kufa (late 700s AD)
Each of these seven actually had two variants, due to different pathways (Transmitters):
Naafi' of Medina by Warsh or Qaaluun
Ibn Kathir of Mecca by al-Bazzi or Qunbul
Ibn 'Amir of Damascus by Hisham or Ibn Dhakwan
Abu 'Amr of Basra by al-Duri or al-Susi
'Aasim of Kufa by Hafs or Abu Bakr
Hamza of Kufa by Khalaf or Khallad
Al-Kisaa'i of Kufa by al-Duri or Abul Harith
Fourteen accepted readings in all. Some scholars recognize even more, such as:
Place / Reader
Madinah / Abu Ja'far (130/747)
Basra / Ya'qub (205/820)
Kufa / Khalaf (229/843)
Basra / Hassan al Basri (110/728)
Makkah / Ibn Muhaisin (123/740)
Basra / Yahya al-Yazidi (202/817)
Kufa / al-A'mash (148/765)
The selected 'Seven Readings' of Mujahid were:
Place / Reader / Transmitter :
1. Madinah / Naafi' (d. 169H/785AD) / Qaaluun or Warsh (d. 197H/812AD)
2. Makkah / Ibn Kathir (d. 119H/737AD)
3. Damascus / Ibn 'Amir (d. 118H/736AD)
4. Basra / Abu 'Amr (d. 154H/771AD) / Suusi or Duuri (d. 246H/860AD)
5. Kufa / 'Aasim (d. 128H/746AD) / Hafs (d. 180H/796AD)
6. Kufa / Hamza (d. 156H/773AD)
7. Kufa / Al-Kisaa'i (d. 189H/805AD) / Duuri (d. 246H/860AD)
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Readings No. 1 and 5 are of particular importance: the reading transmitted by Warsh is now widespread in Africa, except Egypt, where, as now in almost all other parts of the Muslim world, the reading transmitted by Hafs is observed.
Three of these prevailed, for uncertain reasons: Warsh (around 800 AD), Hafs (around 800 AD) and al-Duri Abu Amr (around 850 AD), with two others used in small regions. This represents five distinctly different versions of the Koran currently in use by Muslims in different parts of the world. Their separate justification for using their version is closely associated with their 'chain' or path of information from the Prophet Muhammad.
The five current versions of the Koran are:
The Transmitter Hafs, who is Hafs ibn Suleyman ibn Al-Mugheerah Al-Asadi Al-Kuufi (d. 180H):
His Qiraa'ah named Hafs from 'Aasim is the most popular reading of the Quran in the world today, except for some parts of Africa. Hafs was officially adopted by Egypt in 1924. His chain from 'Aasim:
He heard from 'Aasim ibn Abu Najud Al-Kuufi (d. 128H) who was Taabi'i, i.e, among the generation following the Sahaabah, who heard from Abu Abdur-Rahman Abdullah ibn Habib As-Sulami, who heard from Uthman ibn Affan and Ali ibn Abi Talib and Zayd ibn Thaabit and Ubayy ibn Ka'b, who heard from the Prophet (PBUH).
The Transmitter Duuri, is Abu 'Amr Hafs ibn Umar ibn Abdul-Aziz ibn Subhan Ad-Duuri Al-Baghdaadi (d. 246H):
His Qiraa'ah named Duuri from Abu 'Amr is popular in parts of Africa like Somalia, Sudan as well as in other parts. His chain of from Abu 'Amr:
He heard from Abu Muhammad Yahya ibn Mubarak ibn Mugheerah Yazidiyy (d. 202H), who heard from Abu 'Amr Zuban ibn 'Ala Maziniyy Al-Busriyy (d. 154H), who heard from the Qiraa'aat from Sahaabis Ali and Uthman and Abu Musa and Umar and Ubayy ibn Ka'b and Zayd ibn Thaabit, who heard from the Prophet (PBUH).
The Transmitter Warsh, who is Abu Saeed Uthman ibn Saeed Al-Misri, nicknamed Warsh, (d. 197H):
HIs Qiraa'ah named Warsh from Naafi' is popular in North Africa. His chain from Naafi':
He heard from Naafi' ibn Abdur-Rahman ibn Abu Nu'aim Al-Madani (d. 169H), who heard from Abu Ja'far Yazid ibn Al-Qa'qaa' and Abu Dawud Abdur-Rahman ibn Hurmuz Al-A'raj and Shaybah ibn Nisah Al-Qaadhi and Abu Abdullah Muslim ibn Jundub Al-Hudhali and Abu Rawh Yazid ibn Ruman, who heard from Abu Hurairah and Ibn Abbaas and Abdullah ibn 'Ayyaash ibn Abi Rabii'ah, who heard from Ubayy ibn Ka'b, who heard from the Prophet (PBUH).
The Transmitter Suusi:
His Qiraa'ah named Suusi from Abu 'Amr is also found around the world in small parts.
The Transmitter Qaaluun, who is Imaam Qaaluun:
His Qiraa'ah named Qaaluun from Naafi' is popular in places like Libya in Africa. His chain from Naafi':
He heard from Naafi' ibn Abdur-Rahman ibn Abu Nu'aim Al-Madani (d. 169H), who heard from Abu Ja'far Yazid ibn Al-Qa'qaa', who heard from Abdullah ibn Abbaas and Abu Hurairah, who heard from Ubayy ibn Ka'b and Zayd ibn Thaabit, who heard from the Prophet (PBUH).
In case Muslim readers should be greatly concerned: The variances between these different versions of the Koran are generally quite small and minor, although there are a substantial number of them. Muhammad Fahd Khaaruun has published a version of the (Hafs) Koran which contains the variant readings from the 10 Accepted Readers in its margins. About 2/3 of the ayat (verses) have some sort of variant reading. The great majority are differences in the vowels inserted in certain words (remembering that the early written kufic texts of the Koran did not include vowels or diacritical marks). There appears to be only one difference that might represent a significant effect on belief, that in surah 2:184. There are many Islamic scholars' discussions about these many differences. As an example of one, in Hafs, surah 2:140 reads taquluna, while in Warsh, that text is in surah 2:139 and reads yaquluna. Another example: Hafs surah 2:214 reads yaquula while Warsh surah 2;212 reads yaquulu. Muslim scholars agree that such variations do not seriously alter the meaning of statements made in the Koran.
The main point being made here is that the ORIGINAL texts associated with the Prophet Muhammad are not questioned, but that the absolute and precise accuracy claimed by Muslims regarding their modern Koran is not quite correct. The reality of the situation is very much like the Christian Bible, which had one Original source text but now exists in a multitude of language translations of that one Original text.
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olabowale (m)
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@Nezan: I read Hafs, Warsh, Uthmani writing of Quran. And am not an Hafidh of Quran. I know Sheikh Hassan, of Brooklyn, Sheikh Muhammad of Midtown Manhattan, just notable example among over a million around the world read all of the styles of Quran prints and none have said that one is incorrect.
when you pick up Warsh Quran, you know that the Qaf is written like Waa with a dot at the top, and the Faa is written like a Waa with a dot at bottom.
when you pick up Hafs Quran, you know that the Qaf is written like Waa with two dots at the top, and the Faa is written like a Waa with a dot at the top.
Now is that so difficult for you to absorb?
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Nezan (m)
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The impression I wanted to correct was that, just as we have different versions of the Bible, the same goes for the koran, no need over flogging this issue.
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