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Becomrich
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I beg to disagree with you MEND has a just course. That is the honest truth. It is just the way they are going about it. Become Kidnapper is not the way to go. I think they should stop that. It make people hate them.
if MEND join OPC . The reason is the govt of Nigeria or its military can not face the OPC. because of population. And since ijaw are from ODuduwa or Adumu, OPC is oduduwa people congress. I think OPC have over 100,000 members compare with MEND. The nigeria govt would think twice before sending the military.
I do not believe in violent but the Nigeria govt is not be fair. Displaces women and children is not the solution to northern domination. That why they want the land act change.
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reindeer
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Its unfortunate that it has to come to this , the nija govt seems not to reason until compelled to. I think MEND however should realise that being treated with kid gloves isnt the same with ineptitude, they shouldnt be putting the lives of their civilians at risk by their reckless acts of crime.Their methodology is just so wrong, intellectualism will work better than 'arms for money',and they should rather face their money guzzling governors that impoverished them rather than people in far away abuja, let charity begin at home , the fight should have been gradual, first make sure the monies coming into the region is well spent then take the campaign for more to abuja, im afraid taking on an army like the nija army is a big mistake, there wont be any talks of inquiries like that of the US army in gitmo!They'll hang some people upside down and get away with it.MEND should mend their thought petterns first!
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naijaking1
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MEND should mend their thought petterns first!
Thank you, you've said it better than I did. The problem is with their thought patterns, not the principle of their struggle. Their warped thought pattern has been the issue from time immemorial.
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webdezzi (m)
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Thank you, you've said it better than I did. The problem is with their thought patterns, not the principle of their struggle. Their warped thought pattern has been the issue from time immemorial.
It is so sad, many are yet to understand the motives of these guys behind the mask. The mask itself shows fear. thats why Ijaw ppl on this thread still keep condemning their approach. i will talk more on this later Webdezzi - Why can other people own oil blocks but it is wrong for Dokubo, a son of the soil to own one. This is exactly the type of injustice we are fighting against.
You sound too dunce for my liking. Can u tell me what he has developed in that area since he owned that? but we have seen how much firearms and war tools they could acquire with what belong to all Nija deltan (as you claim) how many have reached those being killed right now? yet they have become grasses where 2 elephants fight Asari-Dokubo is not hiding anywhere. He is working hard in collaboration with Ralph Uwuzurike and MASSOB to unite the Ijaw and Igbo to a common cause. A true revolutionary must seek to progress his ideas. Its not always by gra-gra.
As for JTF killing civilians, if they like they can kill 10,000. The blood is on their head. They cannot kill everyone. Where they silenced 1,000 'passive civilians', another 1,000 will become radicalised, hence they have created more enemies than they originally had.
i see, then you will say your children's blood is on Nigeria's head. so after the war, will they live forever? their children wont live forever too. same with me so why fight on something u can hold on to forever. They have deprived some kids of the opportunity they had Let me ask you. Can you carry a gun and become a militant? no, thats because you are PROBABLY not a thug These militants are thugs, They shud have fought in the time of ppl like General Sanni ABACHA, When there was "SHOOT AT SIGHT" . Now democracy came, they are misbehaving. Let me ask you another logical question. Let say the oil happened to be buried under lagos city, Will they be fighting? will they wanna break, Yet they will want to share the oil with lagos right? Been to lagos recently? It is very beautifful, All thanks to Governor Fashola, what has your governors done for your state? You know why they are kidnapping? for ransome, so tell me, why didnt they think of other better ways to do this. They take on to innocent foreigners cos they are sure miilions will come out of it. Why cover their faces like criminals, why nt show their faces since they are ready to fight for their state only criminal cover their faces, no hero does that. Covering faces means they fear something, and that is they are not ready to die in the first place their aim is to make money, get the hell out and start a new life so i think you need a life yourself.
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mikeansy
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ONE NAIJARIAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
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grafikdon
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ONE NAIJARIAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Yes ooo In God Graft Oil we Trust In the name of Oil Father, and of the Gasoline Son, and of the Federal Allocation Holy Spirit. . . Amen.
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mikeansy
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Ralph Uwazurike is no Ojukwu
We understand the frustrations of massob and Ralph Uwazurike, but the majority of Igbo have chosen to move one. Uwazuruike does not command the loyalty and respect as Ojukwu did in the 60's.
We the igbos have determined to move on.
While we hope that the Federal Government will be responsible in the ijaw strugle, I doubt if any right thinking Igbo wants to get into any war alliance with the Ijaws given our past experience. We have chosen to move on and embraced ONE NIGERIA.
For those who want to compare Biafra to MEND. Remember that Biafra had a defined territory which it defended for three years. What MEND does is provoke the Government forces, run away from that location leaving thier own innocent brothers at the mercy of Hellicopter Gun Ships only to run to the media to quote all sorts of rules of engagement.
MEND can not defend any defined territory for ONE WEEK against the federal government.
But all those are not the issue, the issue is we all once embraced ONE NIGERIA . . . . . it is a future we all chose let us all continue to abide by it.
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Libra38
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@PeeDavinci
What do you mean by "Very soon, it will be the igala's turn to pack out, soon, yoruba, and soon after ibo".
Pack out from where, Niger Delta Area or Nigeria as a whole? and what is your basis for saying this?
Please you need to clearify!
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ow11 (m)
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The VP must resign and protest the continued murder of his kith and kin. Last year, JTF under the pretext of fighting MEND went and brought Tombia to the ground and killed over 500 civilians. Now they have gone into Gbaramatu, Yet these same areas have senators and Representatives sharing money in Abuja. . . Shame!!!
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nuzo (m)
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Ralph Uwazurike is no Ojukwu
We understand the frustrations of massob and Ralph Uwazurike, but the majority of Igbo have chosen to move one. Uwazuruike does not command the loyalty and respect as Ojukwu did in the 60's.
We the igbos have determined to move on.
While we hope that the Federal Government will be responsible in the ijaw strugle, I doubt if any right thinking Igbo wants to get into any war alliance with the Ijaws given our past experience. We have chosen to move on and embraced ONE NIGERIA.
For those who want to compare Biafra to MEND. Remember that Biafra had a defined territory which it defended for three years. What MEND does is provoke the Government forces, run away from that location leaving thier own innocent brothers at the mercy of Hellicopter Gun Ships only to run to the media to quote all sorts of rules of engagement.
MEND can not defend any defined territory for ONE WEEK against the federal government.
But all those are not the issue, the issue is we all once embraced ONE NIGERIA . . . . . it is a future we all chose let us all continue to abide by it.
If the continuous massacre of Igbos in northern nigeria is the one nigeria you are talking about, then you are lost. Totally lost.
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webdezzi (m)
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@nuzo, I doubt if u ever experienced war. You wont pray for it.
brother watching sister being raped and killed by say 10 dirty looking men. mothers loosing children to explosives smelly bodies of your people lying here and there, those whose future you say you are fighting for.
Trust me, you wont remain the same after the war has ended cos you would have lost those you love most. Then at the end, There will still be one Nigeria. and a wound that cant heal.
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ahf (m)
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As Nigerians, no matter which part of the country you are from.You have to accept that the way militancy prevails in the Niger Delta should not be acceptable for any civilised country.
Free for all kidnapping, bombing and harrassment in the name of fighting for the people of the Niger Delta is quite sad, and unfortunately the people stand to loose more.
I believe the military should take care of this situation once and for all
Very good that the global economic systems have removed our supplies from the world market equation hence we do not affect oil prices anymore.
Cant we understand that the more we fight amongst ourselves, the more we will suffer? Issues with deregulation are arising because we cannot build refineries. Who in his normal senses would build a refinery in the Niger Delta under the previaling conditions?
Eventually we would start running out of oil and gas in most places, then we will see the big price we have paid as a nation by failing to deal with our problems.
I think the ordinary people living peacefully in their villages should stand up, as they tend to loose more. They know these militants.
I blame the Past and Present Governments for not doing enough for the people of the Niger Delta.
I also blame the people of the Delta for not controlling and channeling their struggle. Unfortunately everyone from that region is now stigmatised as been a militant. I have a lot of friends and colleagues from the Delta and surely they are not what they are been tagged as. Quite Sad.
How would the Niger Delta be developed if companies cannot provide infrastructure and services without risk to life?
Unfortunately children unborn would suffer the hardest consequence of where we find ourselves now, when they struggle to rewrite the image of their areas, probably then there would be no/less oil and gas to kill over.
The only satisfaction is that eventually we will all face GOD for our actions.
May the souls of all those who have lost their lives in this so called struggle rest in perfect peace.
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nuzo (m)
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@nuzo, I doubt if u ever experienced war. You wont pray for it.
brother watching sister being raped and killed by say 10 dirty looking men. mothers loosing children to explosives smelly bodies of your people lying here and there, those whose future you say you are fighting for.
Trust me, you wont remain the same after the war has ended cos you would have lost those you love most. Then at the end, There will still be one Nigeria. and a wound that cant heal.
Oh my god. . . dont get me wrong. Im all for one nigeria but not for the "one nigeria" that will have her citizens being slaughtered like goats in some parts of nigeria while the FG looks the other way, but are quick to bomb innocent women and children in the N/delta. Besides, I would like to know the difference between all the ills of war you mentioned and the ills of genocides in the north in recent times? Tell me the difference between what my family and friends went through during the Biafran war and what they are going through right now in the north? You dont know half of the pains this nigerian hypocrisy have cost me, my family, friends, businesses and properties. Am only asking for sincerity and not just shouting shouting "one nigeria" when in reality, it doesnt exist. You know nothing my friend. 
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Afaukwu
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Afaukwu - Please - Don't bore us with Biafra - Open another thread for that story.
I am persuaded to imagine that you are under the stupefaction of ''sapele water''. Otherwise you will clear your name by showing me where I discussed Biafra in this topic
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mikeansy
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If the continuous massacre of Igbos in northern nigeria is the one nigeria you are talking about, then you are lost. Totally lost.
I think I know my left from my right . . . . . more than you. The massacre in the north involves all Christains in the North and needs a united response from all Southern Christains . . . . the reason it continues and still continue is because we have not had the right cordinated response to issues of religous war. I think the solution is to pressure the Government (no matter the President's tribe) to fish out members of elite class who ferment those troubles, make sure they are tried in court and sent to jail. If nobody is fished out the Gorvernors of such state should be held accountable . . . . . that is the only way to bring religous killings to an end. For dis-integration of Nigeria . . . . . any Igbo who allows himself to be found at the vanguard of Nigeria disintegration need their head examining. I have no doubt in my mind that if the South i.e. the South West, South East and South South . . . was a country of its own . . . our country will have been a better place . . . . but the fact remains that we lost the opportunity to achieve that in the 60's and the Igbos were scapegoated as responsible for all of Nigeria's problems. Well its been close to 40years since the civil war ended, Igbos marginalised and viewed with suspicion by all our neighbours and yet Nigeria still suffers with poverty. We still suffer everything Igbos tried to oppose. So I honestly think any Igbo who attempts to form any kind of alliance with anyone trying to fight the Hausas or disintegrate Nigeria need their head examining. Let us all live in the ONE NIGERIA we chose for ourselves
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mikeansy
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Meanwhile at this time, I think Igbos who live in the North should seek alternative livelihoods in the South, especially the South East
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Mariory (m)
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MEND = Pwned!  I wonder how their next email will try to cover up this ass widening they have been given by the military.
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nuzo (m)
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I think I know my left from my right . . . . . more than you.
The massacre in the north involves all Christains in the North and needs a united response from all Southern Christains . . . . the reason it continues and still continue is because we have not had the right cordinated response to issues of religous war.
I think the solution is to pressure the Government (no matter the President's tribe) to fish out members of elite class who ferment those troubles, make sure they are tried in court and sent to jail. If nobody is fished out the Gorvernors of such state should be held accountable . . . . . that is the only way to bring religous killings to an end.
For dis-integration of Nigeria . . . . . any Igbo who allows himself to be found at the vanguard of Nigeria disintegration need their head examining.
I have no doubt in my mind that if the South i.e. the South West, South East and South South . . . was a country of its own . . . our country will have been a better place . . . . but the fact remains that we lost the opportunity to achieve that in the 60's and the Igbos were scapegoated as responsible for all of Nigeria's problems.
Well its been close to 40years since the civil war ended, Igbos marginalised and viewed with suspicion by all our neighbours and yet Nigeria still suffers with poverty. We still suffer everything Igbos tried to oppose.
So I honestly think any Igbo who attempts to form any kind of alliance with anyone trying to fight the Hausas or disintegrate Nigeria need their head examining.
Let us all live in the ONE NIGERIA we chose for ourselves
Asking for a fair ONE NIGERIA does not equate to seeking for disintegration of the country in any way. I and most Igbos I know are all for one nigeria that will treat her citizens the same. Meanwhile at this time, I think Igbos who live in the North should seek alternative livelihoods in the South, especially the South East
If you are still talking about one nigeria here, then two words for your comment; Ridiculously hypocritical.
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Remii (m)
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Both sides should see reason quick and stop the violence. War does not determine who wins , it only determines who's left. If MEND is sincerely after the development in the Niger Delta area they should wage wars also against the leaders in the area. The Niger Delta still gets multiple folds more fund than rest of the country without anything to show for it apart from super rich politicians, no development and poor people. They have made their message known to the world they should give time for development apparatus to work. Which company would go to war front to build infrastructures.
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Afaukwu
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Mikeansy,
Stop speaking from both sides of your mouth. You are either ''here'' or ''there'', and not in ''both'' places at the same time.
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Jakumo (m)
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With a body-count now exceeding one thousand in the last 48 hours alone, including, no doubt, many civilian women and children, the first-time use of sustained artillery barrages and coordinated air-strikes by the Nigerian armed forces marks a significant escalation in the hostilities that always simmer in the volatile Niger Delta. Equally ominous has been the declaration by insurgent militant leaders that a systematic demolition of Nigeria's strategic oil pipeline grid is under way. Some MAJOR milestones on Nigeria's Road to Hades have been marked with the events currently unfolding in the Niger Delta, and NO part of the country will be spared from suffering "collateral damage", if the current escalation continues.
For any of the sabre-rattlers who call for war as a "solution" to Nigeria's oil tragedy, now would be a good time to reflect soberly on the deadly paradox of how Nigeria's fate is so hopelessly bound to that of her killing fields, the Niger Delta, that oil-rich maze of creeks and swamps that covers an area five times as large as Viet Nam's Mekong Delta, the scene of horrific and costly jungle warfare engagements between the US Marines and Viet Cong guerrillas decades ago. With her economic jugular vein bleeding out already from multiple punctures of strategically important fuel refinery supply pipelines criss-crossing the theater of war, Nigeria can little afford a protracted scorched-earth war of attrition against a resourceful, suicidally determined enemy who holds the SUPREME tactical advantage of knowing the war zone terrain far more intimately than the federal forces ever will.
Pyrotechnic displays of artillery and aircraft-delivered ordnance will do little more than decimate small pockets of a very widely dispersed enemy, but at epic cost in mass civilian deaths, which in turn fills indigenous populations with loathing for federal forces and far greater sympathy for the home-town under-dogs in speedboats, regardless of whether the pistoleros seek money or freedom by way of war.
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ahf (m)
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Lives were lost, Lives have been changed forever, and also Vietnamiese people suffered tremendously.
War doesnt pay especially for those residing where it is fought.
In those days, wars were fought with some respect for the enemy and the people, but today it's barbaric.
I really fear for the people of the Delta, if the Nigerian Armed Forces (Army & Naval) decide to come down full force.
I see a loose loose situation with a worse loss to the people of the Delta, because after the war and destruction of their homes, they would still have to resettle and rebuild again. Not Good at all.
This our times are really worrying. Man's hatred for each other and the way we kill ourselves. Is the day near ?
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ThinkRait
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The Nigerian Military should have gone to war against Cameroun if they think they are strong
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ThinkRait
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We can only pretend the Niger Delta imbroglio doesnt affect us. The global economic downturn folled by the fall in oil prices is already affecting Nigeria- the Northern states inclusive. How much more the crippling of the oil and gas industry.
The United states attacked Iraq thinking that'll be the end of Iraqi oppression. LIE!!! What they've succeeded in doing is make affected civilians have eternal hatred for the US and the entire westen world. Yar' Adua thinks his attack on the people of the Niger Delta is a solution to our problems. Another big LIE!!! The innocent ones will forever hate the Nigerian government and the igerian people.
If you come to my village, burn down my ancestral home in the name of chasing militants, I will hate the militants who caused my woes but I will hate you more.
The attack and subsequent burn down of that boundary village between Abia and Akwa Ibom cannot be blamed on kidnapping. The razing to the ground of Zaki Biam wasn't as a result of militancy. Listen Nigerians, the military will come after you no matter where you reside. They are just out to show their might.
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webdezzi (m)
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Oh my god. . . dont get me wrong. Im all for one nigeria but not for the "one nigeria" that will have her citizens being slaughtered like goats in some parts of nigeria while the FG looks the other way, but are quick to bomb innocent women and children in the N/delta. Besides, I would like to know the difference between all the ills of war you mentioned and the ills of genocides in the north in recent times? Tell me the difference between what my family and friends went through during the Biafran war and what they are going through right now in the north?You dont know half of the pains this nigerian hypocrisy have cost me, my family, friends, businesses and properties. Am only asking for sincerity and not just shouting shouting "one nigeria" when in reality, it doesnt exist. You know nothing my friend.  you are even dumber than i thought. Many Yorubas always lost their lives in the north due to RELIGIOUS WARS. Recently, there were claims by Northerners that Christian tend to radiate success which they hated so much. You even have no idea what is going on in the country, You dont have to post if you have no clue. Nija deltans have been commiting all sorts recently, now when the JTF shows, they take to their heels. they cant even act like men. they leave their women, old ppl, sons and daughters behind and run like chickens. It is obviuos you say something in one post, you say the other in another post. If the continuous massacre of Igbos in northern nigeria is the one nigeria you are talking about, then you are lost. Totally lost.
Asking for a fair ONE NIGERIA does not equate to seeking for disintegration of the country in any way.
so you are for One Nigeria and you are totally in support of a section of the one nigeria clambering for resource control which means they feel Nigeria is a country stealing their resource and you see that as one nigeria what is the oil was in lagos? will these thugs not shut the hell off and eat the honey with Nigeria they made it look like it was the labour of their forefather that brought the oil. The reason the federal Govt is fighting them is cos they have always been treated fairly and they still wont be satisfied. they go about kidnapping ppl in the area all for money hiding under the pretence of "fighting for the land" Criminals.
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asha 80 (m)
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you are even dumber than i thought.
Many Yorubas always lost their lives in the north due to RELIGIOUS WARS. Recently, there were claims by Northerners that Christian tend to radiate success which they hated so much.
You even have no idea what is going on in the country, You dont have to post if you have no clue.
Nija deltans have been commiting all sorts recently, now when the JTF shows, they take to their heels. they cant even act like men. they leave their women, old ppl, sons and daughters behind and run like chickens.
It is obviuos you say something in one post, you say the other in another post.
so you are for One Nigeria and you are totally in support of a section of the one nigeria clambering for resource control which means they feel Nigeria is a country stealing their resource and you see that as one nigeria
what is the oil was in lagos? will these thugs not shut the hell off and eat the honey with Nigeria they made it look like it was the labour of their forefather that brought the oil.
The reason the federal Govt is fighting them is cos they have always been treated fairly and they still wont be satisfied. they go about kidnapping ppl in the area all for money hiding under the pretence of "fighting for the land" Criminals.
Could it be that yorubas enjoy suffering 
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texazzpete (m)
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I firmly support the action by the millitary. It's about time that thieving rabble called MEND was curbed. Why is it fair game for millitants to hijack vessels, kidnap foreigners and kill naval personnel in cold blood yet people rush to condemn the millitary when they make the neccessary response? MEND have let the media and their vocal, misguided supporters delude them that they are a match for the millitary might of a committed nation, and that propaganda alone will carry the day for them. As we saw last year, in every frontal assault by the Nigerian armed forces, this cabal of thieves have been routed in almost every encounter. I expect the JTF will take steps to cripple these miscreants and make the delta safe once again. Nigeria can little afford a protracted scorched-earth war of attrition against a resourceful, suicidally determined enemy who holds the SUPREME tactical advantage of knowing the war zone terrain far more intimately than the federal forces ever will.
So you buy into this argument? The MEND forces are concentrated in well known camps, the locations of which are known to the Nigerian army for years now. Push aside any vietnam era imagery of soldiers trudging through thick jungles. Against helicopter gunships and mortars, millitants firing RPGs, GPMGs and Ak-47s from speedboats do not stand much of a chance. MEND have been and will likely always be routed in pitched, open battles in the water. On land, bombardment of their camps pretty much brings the heat to them. And unlike the Iraqi insurgency, the taliban and the Tamil tigers, they lack the religious ideology and fanatical devotion to the cause that could make them a threat even when dispersed and defeated. All they will do is revert back to the stealing, bunkering and kidnapping they have perfected. And we've learnt to live with that.
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webdezzi (m)
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no one loves suffering my dear, but that was a religious war and not ethnic
you wud expect christians in other parts to retalliate but they did not. now to you, does that means christians enjoy suffering?
that came up because a dude was referring to those killings from an ethnic angle
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webdezzi (m)
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they shud go after their leaders not FG
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asha 80 (m)
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no one loves suffering my dear, but that was a religious war and not ethnic
you wud expect christians in other parts to retalliate but they did not. now to you, does that means christians enjoy suffering?
that came up because a dude was referring to those killings from an ethnic angle
My guy u know the history of nigeria.Have you forgotten about the delibration in the northern house of assembly around 1950s or so? Due to the proportion of igbos in the north it is always likely that they will suffer more.Let us forget about sounding politically correct.
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