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walakolobo
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Causes of accidents that doesnt include over speeding and carelessness on the part of drivers - what a way to think.
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ikeyman00 (m)
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most accident that occurs in nigeria is duely to bad roads!! god knows
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Aloy.Emeka
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What has demarcating roads to do with overtaking? You mean say people no dey over take on demarcated roads? Lol Demarcating roads with a slab will ensure that there will be no overtaking through the opposite lane. Demarcating roads with line will help ensure drivers maintain their lanes 98% of the time unless they are trying to swerve in order to avoid something. 1) I, nowhere in my post compare the number of cars. I simply pointed out that if 6 lanes has not been enough to shorten the commute time in Chicago, wetin make you think say e go perform magic for Abeokuta/Lagos road with all the wuruwuru man dey deal with every day on those roads aside from the state of the roads themselves. Increase the lanes and the traffic will flow better. You can imagine what the traffic will be like in that Chicago if they have these single lanes filled with pot holes like we have here. Imagine how traffic will flow along Iyana ipaja around 7pm if there are 6 lanes on either side?. I made mention on number of cars b/c it's a contributing factor in traffic congestion. That is why people are banned from entering NYC in a private car when they are driving alone. No matter how rich we become here or how populated we are, we can never measure up in the number of cars per household in America yet they control their traffic better than us. Isn't that a shame?. I also suggest we build another freeway on top of Ikorodu road that will go straight into CMS for a high toll fee. If you cannot afford it, enter the old road so that the traffic can decongest a little bit. 2) About the freeways swallowing up lagos traffic, I say you check them out first before you state what you think. Those roads could be cleared in minutes if only people drove a bit faster in most cases. I have been caught in one of those way too often to know that the problem is most times slow and annoying drivers out there all out to make the next man’s life miserable cause theirs may be. Lol How can we drive faster when molue is blocking the road picking up BecomeRich?  ; if rain falls, it becomes worse and so on. Those annoying drivers wants to get to their destination too as quick as possible. |
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must_a_far
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No one is laughing.
wetin consign my fish with family planning? |
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must_a_far
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It's true. There was a story of one airport in the middlebelt that gets used only when senior govt officials are coming into town besides that, it lies fallow. The economy of a city/zone contributes to the usage too. Nigeria looks big[land mass] when you compare it by tribes but relatively, it's small. I think one airport in every geo political zone should be enough as long as the connecting roads are okay.
Exactly. A 4 lane freeway will assure motorists a 30 minute drive from Ibadan to lagos at 120km/hr, how much less Abeokuta.
If you have ever been in Abeokuta, you would think twice before making that comment. lol 120 Km/hr? And we blame the roads for all the accidents. A 4 lane freeway, plus 2 lane express lanes have yet to make commute to and fro downtown chicago during the day that short, talk less on abeokuta to Lagos with all the crazy drivers and the noise!! lol
i talk am say na us drivers dey cause accident for naija and not the roads. didnt I? |
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Aloy.Emeka
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You people stop complaining, a small country like britain has 30 airports, Nigeria only has 22. what is the problem? Britain is small in size but not population and economy. Over 60% of their population can afford to travel anywhere by air but how many people in Nigeria can afford to fly when they can rarely pay their bus fare? |
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debosky (m)
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You don't get it do you? Do we need a $400m white elephant airport when we don't have roads to get a farmer's produce to market? THINK!! People are screaming their heads off about N100 petrol when in Britain it hasn't been less than N200 for a while now. I get very worried when it becomes a numbers comparison thing - our needs are not the same as the British. We already have 15 UNVIABLE (replace with underutilised if you like) airports in the country at the moment, do we need to add any more? Is building airports now our headache?  I wish you even read the article properly - the implementation of high speed rail services across the country rendered the airports unnecessary. We should not run headlong into unviable projects, especially when there is no evidence of studies done indicating the quantifying the actual demand for such services except 'Onitsha traders will use it well' or "Ibadan amala sellers will love it' or 'a new lease of life for a city' and the other anecdotal justifications given here so far. We need to look at OUR infrastructure needs and plan accordingly, not simply conceiving grandiose projects which never bring any value to the citizenry. |
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Kobojunkie
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Demarcating roads with a slab will ensure that there will be no overtaking through the opposite lane. Demarcating roads with line will help ensure drivers maintain their lanes 98% of the time unless they are trying to swerve in order to avoid something.
Well, the above is valid, so also is considering that demarcations will not work when the accidents occur in lanes going in the same direction.
i talk am say na us drivers dey cause accident for naija and not the roads. didnt I?
The thing fear me oo!!! 120km/hr, for naija road? I go kia kia park for side of road make the motor pass me !!! Even for west Virginia here wey limit be 70 miles/hr, I drive with my heart in my mouth. Roflmao!! |
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biina
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You don't get it do you? Do we need a $400m white elephant airport when we don't have roads to get a farmer's produce to market? THINK!! People are screaming their heads off about N100 petrol when in Britain it hasn't been less than N200 for a while now. I get very worried when it becomes a numbers comparison thing - our needs are not the same as the British. We already have 15 UNVIABLE (replace with underutilised if you like) airports in the country at the moment, do we need to add any more? Is building airports now our headache? I wish you even read the article properly - the implementation of high speed rail services across the country rendered the airports unnecessary. We should not run headlong into unviable projects, especially when there is no evidence of studies done indicating the quantifying the actual demand for such services except 'Onitsha traders will use it well' or "Ibadan amala sellers will love it' or 'a new lease of life for a city' and the other anecdotal justifications given here so far. We need to look at OUR infrastructure needs and plan accordingly, not simply conceiving grandiose projects which never bring any value to the citizenry. That is what I feel we need: A well connected high speed rail service, complemented by a few regional airports. |
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must_a_far
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Well, the above is valid, so also is considering that demarcations will not work when the accidents occur in lanes going in the same direction. they work because it helps keep they in their lanes. although a whole lot of people dont keep to their lanes even when the roads are properly marked. i still have nitemares from my third mainland bridge experience |
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KnowAll (m)
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Who said the airport in ibadan is not viable. I know for sure that there is one private operator flying 2twice a week from ibadan to abuja via ilorin it is like an air bus. Takes off in ibadan flies to ilorin, picks up passengers in ilorin and then heads for abuja. Same journey back from abuja - ilorin - ibadan. at least as far as i know they are still operating, it will grow as the economy grows.
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walakolobo
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Well, the above is valid, so also is considering that demarcations will not work when the accidents occur in lanes going in the same direction. The thing fear me oo!!! 120km/hr, for naija road? I go kia kia park for side of road make the motor pass me !!! Even for west Virginia here wey limit be 70 miles/hr, I drive with my heart in my mouth. Roflmao!! This is what we are saying, dont talk about Naija cos you know nothing about it - I have driven 140km/hr on Nigerian roads and nothing happened, big deal? You must think the roads are made of pot holes or what? |
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9jaganja
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I think Fashola building another airport arises from need not elite vision though I see the guy as an elitist sometimes. Murtala airport is too crowded just like the sea port so any relief right now will be more than a relief.
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walakolobo
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That is what I feel we need: A well connected high speed rail service, complemented by a few regional airports.
I thought the likes of you were on here saying there was no need for the railway project in Nigeria? |
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debosky (m)
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Who said the airport in ibadan is not viable. I know for sure that there is one private operator flying 2twice a week from ibadan to abuja via ilorin it is like an air bus. Takes off in ibadan flies to ilorin, picks up passengers in ilorin and then heads for abuja. Same journey back from abuja - ilorin - ibadan. at least as far as i know they are still operating, it will grow as the economy grows.
Do you know what Viability means?  The fact that one private operator flies twice through an airport weekly does not render it viable. Is the revenue generated from the flights sufficient to pay the running costs of the airport? Only then can it be said to be approaching viability. @ 9jaganja From my initial post you will observe I left high demand locations like Lagos out, for the reason that there are likely justifiable arguments for increasing capacity (again not necessarily building another airport) to meet demand. My core concern is the thinking/planning process that determines feeds into the decision to build these airports. |
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biina
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I thought the likes of you were on here saying there was no need for the railway project in Nigeria?
what do you mean by the 'likes of you'? |
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walakolobo
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These same run away Nigerians talk about Nigeria as if they realy know whats going on down there, if u all like, hit your heads on the wall becasude Nigeria is building airports, noone cares.
The same people who finds it un necessary to build railway systems, find it un necessary to build airports, maybe, what you all want to advocate is building more caves so that people in nigeria will reside in it, because that exactly is what your arguments are turning Nigeria into.
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SapeleGuy
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Debosky - My point is that Nigeria has enough real problems to deal with without you having to import hypothetical Korean £400 million white elephants for people to worry about.
Aloy - If you have ever been to Gloucestershire Airport you will understand.
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~Lady~ (f)
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Plain and simple, Nigeria needs to assess the people's needs and what works for the people instead of trying to catch up with the west. The west is being the west and now we need to be Nigeria.
I think I need to do more research on where fashola is building another airport. Can anyone help me with that? Because there is nothing wrong with having more than one airports in a place like lagos. As long as there is a need for it. The thing is shouldn't there be other international airports in more places in Nigeria first? Because if other governors do decide to build and manage well international airports in their states, most of Nigerians won't have a need of using lagos international airport as much.
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debosky (m)
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Debosky - My point is that Nigeria has enough real problems to deal with without you having to import hypothetical Korean £400 million white elephants for people to worry about.
Aloy - If you have ever been to Gloucestershire Airport you will understand.
I am not worrying about hypothetical airports - Ogun, Akwa Ibom and a few other states are currently building potential white elephants as we speak. People have mentioned the apparent white elephant Gombe 'International' Airport. The funds expended on these projects are inevitably denying other potentially beneficial projects from taking place. Akwa Ibom Airport Project DelayedOgun state Airport 1st Phase to Gulp $275m |
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walakolobo
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Plain and simple, Nigeria needs to assess the people's needs and what works for the people instead of trying to catch up with the west. The west is being the west and now we need to be Nigeria.
I think I need to do more research on where fashola is building another airport. Can anyone help me with that? Because there is nothing wrong with having more than one airports in a place like lagos. As long as there is a need for it. The thing is shouldn't there be other international airports in more places in Nigeria first? Because if other governors do decide to build and manage well international airports in their states, most of Nigerians won't have a need of using lagos international airport as much.
No, anything that gets done in Nigeria is called white elephant project, if it gets done in the West/Europe, it is not white elephant, in Nigeria, all we need is food, we dont need any infrastructure. |
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walakolobo
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I am not worrying about hypothetical airports - Ogun, Akwa Ibom and a few other states are currently building potential white elephants as we speak. People have mentioned the apparent white elephant Gombe 'International' Airport. The funds expended on these projects are inevitably denying other potentially beneficial projects from taking place. Akwa Ibom Airport Project DelayedOgun state Airport 1st Phase to Gulp $275mGive us example of such potentially benficial projects please. |
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SapeleGuy
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Debosky- On what basis are these airports you mentioned potential white elephants? Please share your evidence?
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debosky (m)
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Debosky- On what basis are these airports you mentioned potential white elephants? Please share your evidence?
On what basis? Ogun Airport There is an existing unutilised airport less than 100 km away in Oyo state - why not work with the owners of the current airport and build cargo facilities there and increase the utilisation of the current facility? What agricultural produce from Ogun state requires airlifting and is currently being wasted that would merit a $275m investment in a FIRST PHASE? Has the entire agricultural sector benefited from such a large scale investment? Akwa Ibom Airport How many International travelers emanate from Akwa Ibom? How far away is this from Port Harcourt International ? (a viable but grossly underutilised airport). Why not build a highway express link to PHC and increase the transportation facilities (road and rail) between Uyo and PHC and pool funds (say from the South South states) to generate sufficient capacity utilisation at PHC? More potential evidence The so called Asaba international airport is less than an hour from Benin - again, why not pool resources, improve the road link or add a rail link and upgrade Benin Airport? We are wasting money on building new airports within a 100-200km radius of existing underutilised airports. There is nothing to suggest that these new projects will not suffer the fate of their predecessors, especially when almost all the other airports are unviable. |
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walakolobo
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the greatest lie you have told is to say that the Asaba airport is less than an hour from Benin. With that said, I conclude noone should take anything u have said serious. Do your home work properly.
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bombsquad (m)
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this cant happen in nigeria
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debosky (m)
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the greatest lie you have told is to say that the Asaba airport is less than an hour from Benin. With that said, I conclude noone should take anything u have said serious. Do your home work properly.
Benin airport is 79 miles away from the CENTER of Asaba. The proposed location of the new airport (on the outskirts of Asaba) would be ~70 miles away from Benin Airport. With properly built roads, there is no reason why it should take more than an hour/hour 15 minutes to move between Benin and Asaba. Delta Dep Gov Amos Utuama, who handed over the 5,000- hectre-project site, off the Benin-Asaba expressway, told the contractors, Ulo Consultants Ltd., to deliver the project within the specified 24 months http://allafrica.com/stories/200802190531.html |
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walakolobo
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Benin airport is 79 miles away from the CENTER of Asaba. The proposed location of the new airport (on the outskirts of Asaba) would be ~70 miles away from Benin Airport. With properly built roads, there is no reason why it should take more than an hour/hour 15 minutes to move between Benin and Asaba.
79 miles is equal to 127kilometers - even if you travel at a contant speed of 127km/hour on the road between Benin and Asaba, it will still take you an hour, so, say something else. There is no way you will travel between Benin and Asaba for less than one hour - sir! |
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Akpangbon
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79 miles is equal to 127kilometers - even if you travel at a contant speed of 127km/hour on the road between Benin and Asaba, it will still take you an hour, so, say something else. There is no way you will travel between Benin and Asaba for less than one hour - sir!
very very very correct. |
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debosky (m)
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Are you being pedantic for the fun of it? OK - Benin to Asaba is IN THE REGION of one hour by road. ( A train running at a nominal 85mph will make it under an hour) Apart from HIGH DENSITY, high travel locales, it is usually impractical to build airports so close together when an efficient road/rail link would suffice. That is the import of my post. In addition, Enugu airport is approximately 60 miles away in the opposite direction from Benin, another reason why this airport's feasibility should come into question. |
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