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Sista (f)
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@ To AllI was watching Judge Hacthett the other day, a real good show came on. For those of you who don't know, Judge Hatchett is a family judge. In this particular show a young black American boy about the age 16, he came to this show with his mother. His mother was seeking for her son to stay out of trouble. I forget all the bad things this boy was doing because I was running around doing other things. However, when I heard Judge Hatchett say that this boy needed to know his roots, in order so that he could understand what his present was all about, my ears opened even more so like a Golden retriever who just heard a peculiar sound. I began to pay attention to this show, word for word at this point. I came to sit down in front of the television. The judge went on to say that this boy was going to find out about the people he descended from, because he needed to know that he had great roots which signified that he was a great person, but that if he didn't know this, it would do him no good to try and get his life in order. Next thing I know, the judge is ordering for this boy to take some type of Gene test that would determined which part of Africa he came from. The judge already knew the results because this show was prerecorded and the results of the test were given later. The judge knew of an actor who had taken the gene test and had already acquired the information of where he came from. Well, it turned out that he came from the same place/people in Africa that the young boy came. The judge had the boy meet this black actor and the actor revealed to the boy that they both came from the same place, that being Sierra Leone. Actually, the boy was found to be of Fulani Mende and Temne mixed but the Actor was only descending from the Fulani. The judge was so excited that she had her genes tested, and it was discovered that she was descending from the Yuroba. Before the show ended, they showed video scripts of the Yuroba and how they live, they also showed video scripts of how the people in sierra Leone live. You should have seen that boys face and finding all these things out brought tears to the judges eye's. They were both very happy and relieved to know of their roots. What do you think?
Do you think that all people descending from African slaves should find out which part of Africa/tribe they came from?
If not, please share why?
PS, it would have been nice if the boy could have actually gone to Sierra Leone to live amongst his people for a while, that would have really done him some good.Modified: Thanks to NSNA we have the link to that show http://youtube.com/watch?v=hIOG3aTU71gApparently over in another thread, people decided to continue this subject matter so please direct your comments to the link below.
This topic has been redirected over to another area. Please direct your comments to this link. Before you go to this link below, if you like, you can read through the messages hear to get an idea.http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-21388.32.html
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Donzman (m)
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Yeah I think it's time to use genetic testing to deceive people. How can your roots be in Sierra Leone when Sierra leoneans have roots in other parts of West Africa?, I don't know a whole lot about this test but I do know that the accuracy is far from great. It is generalizing in a major way, what can really be different between an Igbo and a Yoruba? Does the Yoruba man who lives in Ondo state not have more in common with the Igbo than the Yoruba man who lives in Kwara state?, I wonder ohh! Minus all the jibberish, answer is no because this testing is far from perfect science. It can show you that you're from Ghana and also show you that you're from Ivory Coast, what good is a test like that? Modify; Y-DNA and mtDNA tests each only trace a single lineage (one's father's father's father's etc. lineage or one's mother's mother's mother's etc. lineage). At 10 generations back, an individual has 1024 ancestors and a Y-DNA or mtDNA test is only studying one of those 1024 ancestors, as well as their descendants and siblings (same sexed siblings for Y-DNA or all siblings for mtDNA). More info., http://www.africanancestry.com. |
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Sista (f)
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DNA Testing Ancestry or Ethnicity
GeneTree's Ancestral Origins DNA Tests examine three types of hereditary markers: Autosomal DNA (this line makes up the majority of who we are), Paternal DNA (the Y-chromosome DNA, passed from father to son), and Maternal DNA (the mtDNA, passed from mother to all her children). Not only will you discover the birthplace of your ancestors, but the path they took and their unique discoveries, such as agriculture, language, and tools which set them aside from others as they traveled from continent to continent over the course of human history. It's your unique anthropological identity, whether you're of Native American, Northern European, Mediterranean, South Asian, Middle Eastern, East Asian, or of African descent.
DNA testing research on full-blooded indigenous populations from all around the world has led to the discovery of several genetic markers that are unique to specific populations, ethnicity and/or deep ancestral migration patterns. The DNA markers that have very specific modes of inheritance, and which are relatively unique to specific populations, are used to assess ancestral relatedness.
There are 3 types of DNA inheritance patterns that DNA markers follow; the Autosomal DNA line, the paternal DNA line or the maternal DNA line.
The Autosomal DNA line makes up the majority of who we are. It is composed of all the DNA in the cell except the X-chromosome, the Y-chromosome and the mtDNA. You inherit 50% of your autosomal DNA from your mother and 50% from your father.
The Y-chromosome DNA markers are paternally linked. They are passed from father to son.
The mtDNA markers are maternally linked. They are passed from the mother to all of her children. Then, only the female children pass it on to all their children, and etc.
These Ancestral Origin™ DNA tests are most commonly used:
For those that wondered if they are of Native American, Northern European, Mediterranean, South Asian, Middle Eastern, East Asian, or of African descent.
For those that are adopted, or have adopted parents, and are curious about what ancestral heritage they have.
For those that are predominantly African and curious about other ancestry they may have.
For those that want to expand and confirm their family's historical information.
For those that would like to uncover their personal anthropological history.
To understand how an individual’s DNA can be used to identify a relationship to a specific population, see the Y-chromosome Haplogroup or mtDNA Haplogroup pages.
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Donzman (m)
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What are the limitations of these tests? Our tests are not designed to tell you the ancestry of all of the many lineages that make up who you are. They are designed to determine the ancestry of a direct maternal lineage or a direct paternal lineage. If you want to find out the ancestry of other branches of your family tree, you must enlist other family members to take a test. You have hundreds of other ancestors that could have come from very different places in Africa (or elsewhere in the world). We provide you insight on one of them at a time. At 10 generations back, an individual has 1024 ancestors and a Y-DNA or mtDNA test is only studying one of those 1024 ancestors, as well as their descendants and siblings (same sexed siblings for Y-DNA or all siblings for mtDNA). What good is a test that will tell you only about 1 out of a possible 1024 ancestors?, I'm just saying this so people don't take the results of the test like bible gospel. http://www.africanancestry.com/05faq.htm
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Sista (f)
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How reliable are the tests? [Back to top]
For lineage-based tests, reliability depends on several things such as the size of the database, the sampling of the lineages, and the accuracy of lineage matches. Our database is the most comprehensive resource of African lineages available. We have worked with historians, archeologists, anthropologists and other geneticists to build the largest collection of African lineages in the world. We use a sequence similarity score measure to determine matches. The measure is a likelihood estimate based on the frequency of identical and closely related (>99%) haplotypes.
What are the limitations of these tests? [Back to top] Our tests are not designed to tell you the ancestry of all of the many lineages that make up who you are. They are designed to determine the ancestry of a direct maternal lineage or a direct paternal lineage. If you want to find out the ancestry of other branches of your family tree, you must enlist other family members to take a test. You have hundreds of other ancestors that could have come from very different places in Africa (or elsewhere in the world). We provide you insight on one of them at a time.
How accurate are the tests? [Back to top]
Our results are quite accurate. For about 85% of the people we test we find identical matches in our database. For the remaining people, we find closely related lineages with greater than 95% confidence. Our database is the most comprehensive resource of African lineages available.
If All African Americans recieve mandatory test, the percentages would go up.
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How can I determine my paternal ancestry if I am a woman? [Back to top]
In order for a woman to determine her paternal ancestry, she must use the y-chromosome of a male on her father's side - her brother, father, father's brother, grandfather, etc. Click here for help with reviewing your lineages.
Can you tell what tribe I am from? [Back to top]
We cannot necessarily tell you the particular tribe with which you share genetic ancestry. However, we can tell you the present-day country of Africa with which your lineage shares genetic ancestry.
If one wishes to reasearch further, one kind find the original lineage by comparing time dates, it has been done.
I have several different ancestries. Can your test tell me about my European and/or Native American ancestries? [Back to top]
Our single lineage tests will only tell you about the lineage for which you submit DNA. We do not analyze your entire genome and provide a percentage breakdown of different ancestries. If we find European or Native American ancestry for the lineage that you trace, we will provide the haplogroup to which you belong.
The only thing AA's are interested in is the African lineage, nothing else.
If my mtDNA matched with the Hausa in Northern Nigeria does that mean that a maternal ancestor from that region was enslaved hundreds of years ago and was brought to the Americas forcibly? [Back to top]
Not necessarily, our databases reflect present-day locations of Africans. Some ethnic groups have been where they are today for hundreds or even thousands of years. However, there are other groups who have migrated from other areas due to their lifestyle (culture) or political disruptions during and since the period of slavery.
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Donzman (m)
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Sista, you do realize that they don't the mtDNA of your greatgrandma. Instead they use your mtDNA and try to match it with the mtDNA's in their database which they've collected from a Yoruba man somewhere. Let's assume you're doing a maternal test, they're going to be able to tell you that from what we have in our database, your mtDNA is most likely from , . They don't tell you anything about whether your maternal greatgrand mother who was born by a Yoruba woman ended up marrying an Igbo man, this thing delivers so little information that it's rather useless at this point in time. Like you didn't know you were from somewhere in Africa?
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mamaput (f)
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you said it your self it was a show.
And what will it bring a 16 year old boy if he had to go to live in Africa for some time.
You people come up with many funny things.
Boot camp , going to Africa is now the new form?
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delf747 (m)
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If not, please share why?
This 'test' demonstrates American racism for sure and how spiritually immature that nation is. Q) How can Africa's people, its cultures, its religions, be reduced to a genetic sequence of letters (an abstract)? A) The same way they were reduced to inanimate objects (an abstract) by European scientists during slavery. These teary eyed AA's show how they still wholeheartedly perpetrate and support this racism themselves with an absurd faith in science. Regardless which people they were told they were from their reaction would have been the same. That's because this test was all really about the supremacy of science as the ultimate discoverer of truth, i.e, the America Way. All Americans lapped it up of course. And again: Q) Why would a court Judge (the Law) suggest that someones behaviour was caused by their genes? A) To reinforce the anti-human idea that we need scientists to tell us who we are. This whole program was a viscious attack on Africa (nature) from beginning to end. |
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Donzman (m)
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Haha, I'm more concerned about people not knowing what the test is actually testing for than American racism. Obviously the judge also didn't know what is being tested for, the only information that guy has is that one out of his 1024 ancestors (if we're going back only 10 generations) come from Sierra Leone. Of what use is that?
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delf747 (m)
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Haha, I'm more concerned about people not knowing what the test is actually testing for than American racism. Obviously the judge also didn't know what is being tested for, the only information that guy has is that one out of his 1024 ancestors (if we're going back only 10 generations) come from Sierra Leone. Of what use is that?
Donzman, Lets be serious, If you told them they were from Burma would they know any different? A couple of years ago I read a survey where the majority of Americans thought Iraq was in Africa. LOL! As far as Americans are concerned the world beyond their shores is just a fog. They are only even dimly aware of it because of T.V. You can see how this program worked within this though. None of the people in this show had to actually DO anything. They didn't have to go to Africa, they didn't have to admit personal responsibility for their actions. Like the Judge said: "we'll show you how great you are". That's American great - not African great. Africa will only ever be a distant place on T.V. to them. Just another stereotyped fiction created by the media to reinforce how wonderful America is.  |
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NSNA
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@ Sista The way you described this was so good and simple that i read to think i watched the show. i found a link to a video clip on youtube http://youtube.com/watch?v=hIOG3aTU71g A lot of African people around the world, that live in places like America and Europe and including those that migrated from Africa in the past have not been happy to identify with Africa. Probably because of discovery channel and the general kind of picture that is circulated in the western media. I think that trend is gradually changing and people generally will get a different perception sooner than you know. just keep telling has much has you know about the Africa that you know. |
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Sista (f)
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Sista, you do realize that they don't the mtDNA of your greatgrandma. Instead they use your mtDNA and try to match it with the mtDNA's in their database which they've collected from a Yoruba man somewhere. Let's assume you're doing a maternal test, they're going to be able to tell you that from what we have in our database, your mtDNA is most likely from , . They don't tell you anything about whether your maternal greatgrand mother who was born by a Yoruba woman ended up marrying an Igbo man, this thing delivers so little information that it's rather useless at this point in time. Like you didn't know you were from somewhere in Africa? If all African Americans, who descend from African slaves and have been here in America sense physical slavery ended. If those descendants as well as there parents are tested, the likely hood in percentages of discovering where all those people came from in Africa go up high. As you can see, I told you that the boy was found to have three different African lineage's one of them being the Fulani. We all know that the Fulani are nomadic and travel around. I am pretty sure the likely hood of the Fulani spreading their seeds into other tribes and ethnic groups is likely.Do you really think AA people are that mixed up with white genes? Your wrong, black people generally stay with their own kind. I know AA people who look more African than most Africans I meet. I know that some are going to ask what that means? Well, you wouldn't say an Asian or a White person that he or she looks more African than an African would you? Af least 50% of AA people are mixed with native American and no white but that is hard for you to all believe. Even with the 50 % who are mixed Native american, the Native American mixing only took place during one Generation or two generations. The African lineage in AA people is not that far gone. We may discover that we have many African lineages but you see what the DNA tester said? They said they can show you the area of wher your people came from. As long as AA people know that much, it is a start. Did you see how Alex Haley traced back his roots? And he didn't do it with Gene testing, again, it can be done. You believe that there are some good white folk, but you don't believe that not all black women were raped by all white slave masters. You would be suprized at some of the things black women did so the white man would think twice about touching them. You would also be suprized at how they passed those tricks down to their daughters. That raping stuff, it happened, but not the way you think it did. |
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Drusilla (f)
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Sista,
Just for personal cuteness. I would hate to see AA ruin the one silverlining of America, we are all Black.
I know who I am because my grandmother cared enough to remember and teach us but otherwise.
AA should not start playing the I am this tribe or that tribe thing.
It is better to be black or african plainly. Shows our neutrality in all the conflicts we may learn about.
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Sista (f)
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@Delf747Q) Why would a court Judge (the Law) suggest that someones behaviour was caused by their genes?
A) To reinforce the anti-human idea that we need scientists to tell us who we are.
This whole program was a viscious attack on Africa (nature) from beginning to end. Uh, you sound a little off of your rocker. Your interpretation of what the judge was doing was way distorted. I will tell you in a minute if I felt it was a racist thing to do and you know I will. However, I do not agree with you and if anyone knows about racism in America, It's me. The judge merely said that the boy was acting the way he acts (and this goes for all AA people) because he did not know his roots, once he knows the truth, about who he came from, he would feel as though he has something to be proud of. Also, him seeing how he got here and how he had to leave his ancestors behind, will also show him that whitey is not going to help you because whitey did to you what he did to your ancestors. It is up to you now that you know the truth to get your life together. No more excuses. You guys are always saying that AA people make up to many excuses, that's easy for people who have not been robbed of the ancestry to say.
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Sista (f)
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@NSNA@ Sista The way you described this was so good and simple that i read to think i watched the show. i found a link to a video clip on youtube http://youtube.com/watch?v=hIOG3aTU71g A lot of African people around the world, that live in places like America and Europe and including those that migrated from Africa in the past have not been happy to identify with Africa. Probably because of discovery channel and the general kind of picture that is circulated in the western media. I think that trend is gradually changing and people generally will get a different perception sooner than you know. just keep telling has much has you know about the Africa that you know. Thank you NSNA and really thank you for the link! Also, I agree with you about some AA people not wanting to identify with Africa but even in their denial, believe you me, they knew deep down they are African and of African descendant, they were just in denial because they wanted to please whitey. Well, today whitey has failed in getting joy out of descendants of African slaves playing down to him and her. Modified: NSNA, really thank you so much for that link. God works with you when you are trying to do the right thing. I tried to find a on line video to post in here to show people but i could not find one and here you came, thank you so much. As you can see, the people so far who have contributed to this topic do not care to find anything postive about it. However, the beauty of that clip on Yotube can not be denied, it brought tears to my eye's just as it did the first time I saw it aired on Television.
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Sista (f)
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@DrusillaSista,
Just for personal cuteness. I would hate to see AA ruin the one silverlining of America, we are all Black.
I know who I am because my grandmother cared enough to remember and teach us but otherwise.
AA should not start playing the I am this tribe or that tribe thing.
It is better to be black or african plainly. Shows our neutrality in all the conflicts we may learn about. I agree with you Drusilla but some people still would like to know which part of Africa/tribe they came from and despite of what we think, that is what they feel. You saw the girls in the "black beauty distorted image topic?" One of the girls mentioned that she would like to know which tribe she came from and that is her right to feel like that. However, the lilkely hood of us ever narrowing it down is not impossible but very slim. In the beggining we are all black and at the end we are all black. I think Alex Haley tracing back his roots wasn't teaching us that we are not all black but it was teaching us something much more important. To me what Alex Haley taught us was, to never give up.
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Donzman (m)
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Sista, you still haven't gotten it. That test rarely tells you where you came from?, It traces only one of your possible 1024 ancestors going back 10 generations, it's no good. Let's say your mother is Igbo and her mother was Yoruba and your greatgrandma was Dinka, it won't show you any of those. The usefulness of the test is well, not useful at all.
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delf747 (m)
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@Delf747
The judge merely said that the boy was acting the way he acts (and this goes for all AA people) because he did not know his roots, once he knows the truth, about who he came from, he would feel as though he has something to be proud of. Sista, The boy was black, hence he was the descendent of slaves from Africa. Why didn't the judge just tell him that? Because its boring TV. Everyone knew it anyway - including him. So they wheel out the science and jazz the whole thing up with African words and short films to make the whole experience seem more authentic - Disneyland Africa. AA's at home like yourself just lap it up. LIke I said you don't have to get off the couch or even step outside. As for the racist part how can you represent any African people as a line of code? Representing humans as an abstract scientific code is an attack on their entire being, culture and history. |
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Sista (f)
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@DonzmanThat test rarely tells you where you came from?, It traces only one of your possible 1024 ancestors going back 10 generations, it's no good. I am 8 generations removed from from the first year slavery began here in America. Now come with your next response.
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New (m)
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Its helps to know who you are, and where you've come from as this will help you understand where you are/should be going.
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Donzman (m)
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Its helps to know who you are, and where you've come from as this will help you understand where you are/should be going.
It will be great if that is what it did but the test doesn't really do that. You can't tell me that's a DNA structure that is unique to the Igbos or any African tribe for that matter. Secondly, your ptDNA is the ptDNA of your paternal ancestry. It says nothing about your maternal ancestry from your father's side nor does it say anything about your paternal ancestry from your father's side. If a guy is mixed, his mom is half black ( black dad, white mom) and his dad is half black(white dad, black mom), the person won't be able to trace his African ancestry unless he can get his grandparents to take the test. |
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Sista (f)
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@DonzmanSecondly, your ptDNA is the ptDNA of your paternal ancestry. It says nothing about your maternal ancestry from your father's side nor does it say anything about your paternal ancestry from your father's side. If a guy is mixed, his mom is half black ( black dad, white mom) and his dad is half black(white dad, black mom), the person won't be able to trace his African ancestry unless he can get his grandparents to take the test. First your complaint was the test only go ten generations back. I tell you that descendants of African slaves today are 8 generations away. Now you come with this. It's pretty clear that you don't really have a valid reason for disagreeing with the test, your just disagreeing to be disagreeing for the heck of it.
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Donzman (m)
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I never said it went only 10 generations back. I was trying to show you how ineffective this test is. If you go 10 generations back, you have 1024 ancestors and the number increases if you go further than that. This test only tells you about 1 of the ancestors, it's no good. Do you understand it now?
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Drusilla (f)
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Sista,
My closeness to African descendancy is my great grandmother. She was one of the last of the "illegal" slaves brought here, dropped on the Islands near South Carolina (geechi). So I am not but 4 generations away from my African anscestry.
Does it matter to me? No.
I am Black. It is enough. I like being African American. I think we have a great 387 year long history of greatness, despite the great odds we overcame. I like our traditions now. I like hard headed Ghetto Negros, who refuse to assimulate. I like Middle Class AA who attempted to assimulate superficially. I like rich and powerful AA like Condi and Oprah. Who assimilated but usually lose interest quickly in "their" way.
I really like African Americans. I appreciate our stubborness. I believe we have brought humanity to this world. Think of America without the civil rights movement. As even President George Bush said: It was the second democacy.
I like greens and cornbread. I even like slave mush. I like plaited hair. I like rappers. I like gospel music. I like our strenght in sports. I like our beauty in all of our various blackness.
I like that whites "never go back, once they go black". I like that we have a world wide voice.
I love the story of the slave who took care of his old white masters wife, even though he did not have too.
The only thing I want to find out about myself and Africa is this: Can I help make it a better place so that the next
Continental African Martin Luther King can emerge through poverty and to the greatness he should have on the continent.
I have always believed since a child, that we are the key to humanizing the world and so far the world has shown that it is true. It's our movements that have led to freedom world wide for more than just Black people.
I want to be a helpmate to Africa. I however, love being African American. We have paid the price in blood and sweat for whatever we have now, despite the naysayers.
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Sista (f)
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@DonzmanI never said it went only 10 generations back. I was trying to show you how ineffective this test is. If you go 10 generations back, you have 1024 ancestors and the number increases if you go further than that. This test only tells you about 1 of the ancestors, it's no good. Do you understand it now? America slavery began in 1492 8 generations back starting from me. That means that all descendants of slaves that are the same age as me still have the Genes and DNA active in them going 8 generations back to the beggining of American slavery. That is why I said, if the gene testing was done on all descendants of slaves in America or even half, the likleyhood of gene testing would point back to one area in Africa. The Adam and eve sort of speak would be located for the descendants of slaves who who have been in America going eight generations back. @DrusillaLove Yah! 
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Donzman (m)
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@Drusilla
What do you mean by African Martin Luther King?,
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Hero (m)
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Sista, 1492 was the year that Columbus came to the Americas and landed in what is today the Dominican Republic, and not the year that we AA began our history here in North America. Also if your ancestry here in the Americas extended back to 1492, then you would be much more than an eighth generation descendant today.
I've traced my African ancestry here in North America back to the year of 1610- which would be just 1 year after the foundering of the Jamestown Colony, the very first successfully established permanent settlement in what is today the US, and I'm an 13th generation descendant of them. You forget that back then women had their kids consistently much younger than the average girl dose today, and thus generations stacked up quicker back then then they do today.
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Sista (f)
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@HeroSista, 1492 was the year that Columbus came to the Americas and landed in what is today the Dominican Republic, and not the year that we AA began our history here in North America. Also if your ancestry here in the Americas extended back to 1492, then you would be much more than an eighth generation descendant today. You are right. I got the idea that I am an 8 genaerational because my friend, he is 67 and his mothers, mother- her mother was a slave making him a fourth generation. I actually asked my mother which generation I am and she confirmed that I am actually a 6th generation. and I'm an 13th generation descendant of them. You forget that back then women had their kids consistently much younger than the average girl dose today, and thus generations stacked up quicker back then then they do today. Again, you uare right, that is true black women were having baby's very young poor things. May their souls rest in peace.
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Donzman (m)
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Sista,
Every woman was having babies at a younger age back then, not only your "black woman"
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Sista (f)
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@DonzmanEvery woman was having babies at a younger age back then, not only your "black woman" First of all we are not talking about every woman. We are talking about computing the generations of descendants of slaves in terms of how young they "Black women" were having baby's then. This has nothing to do with all women. You just can't help your self can you? You just had to throw in some type of saracsm when all was going good. Don't go there okay, it is not that serious.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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That test rarely tells you where you came from?, It traces only one of your possible 1024 ancestors going back 10 generations, it's no good. Let's say your mother is Igbo and her mother was Yoruba and your greatgrandma was Dinka, it won't show you any of those. The usefulness of the test is well, not useful at all.
Why would somebody want to know about his or her 1024 ancestors, knowing one is enough and also knowing the country is enough, cause the tribe is on every individual African american faces, for example: 1, BOBBY BROWN is a Benin man 2, WILL SMITH is an Igbo man 3, WESLEY SNIPES is a Yoruba man 4, EDDY MURPHY is a Ghana man 5, RAY JAY is a Yoruba man 6, JESSEY JACKSON even he looks a little mixed he is an Igbo man. 7, THE WAYAN BROS Igbo guys 8, WHITENEY HOUSTON is a benin woman. 9, RALPH TRESVANT is a yoruba guy. 10, TYRESSE is a benin man 11, LL COOL JAY is an Igbo guy 12, 50 CENT is a Yoruba guy. 13, HERO [Nairaland] is an Igbo dude. 14, SAMUEL JACKSON must be from congo 15 MARTIN LUTHER KING is an igbo man 16 QUEEN LATIFA is a benin woman. |
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Sista (f)
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@925
This is so cute how you broke down who is who.
I defiantely agree, Ray Jay is Yuroba.
Wayans Ibo? I don't know about that. I was trying to see some African in them the other day and the only thing I could see was their humor is like African and their physical body structre looks African as far as their face goes, I see native American.
Tyresse, yes I agree he is Benin and also Bobby brown.
Defiantly Eddie Murphy is from Ghana.
Will Smith, I see some Ibo and Yuroba in him.
Whitney, benin? That's interesting sense we both agree Bobby is Benin. But Whitney looks more like she might be from Kenya to me, who knows
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