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mackjavel
An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« on: November 04, 2005, 05:34 PM »

Obansanjo This French Puppet Who is Wasting Nigerian People's Money

Obansajo is not welcome in our national debate. His has already in the past slammed the door in Accra protesting president gbago's refusal to  strike a outrageous  deal with rebels( this deal would help those thugs  steal  democraty from the Ivorian people.). later on,in november 2004  the very same week  french troops where killing ivoirian civilians in  Abidjan, Obansajo  without any shame, spearheaded a shadowy meeting with some crooked  six  african head of states ,to give the UA's green light to Jacques Chira-KKK  for a UN  arm embargo against the ivorian governement. How can an african head of state shut his mooth when foreign troops are massacring african people as the french did ,and in the meantime back the country of those troops in its bid to use the UN  ?

Thanks to president mbeki, the world now underatands clearly that these so called rebels are indeed  a bunch of criminals  rapists and thieves who are not interested at all in peace ,but rather in maintaining a permanent state of chaos in ordrer to cover their crimes. A peace deal was signed in Pretoria where rebels have agree to lay down their arms son that national elections will be help after their demands are met. Gbagbo agree to change the constitution without  going through a referendum,  more than 20 pro rebels ministers are in the government, they head the national election committtee , but steal they are finding reasons to refuse to desarm. Mbeki has made  clear that Gbagbo has met all the requirements ,but the rebels didn't. So it is now to the  UN to impose sanctions. There is no more need for lenghty discussion. 

  But the french are refusing to see the rebels being punished  or  weakened . In order to mix the wood, They bought Obansajo who wants now  to sideline  Mr Mbeki and start news discussion again. For us ivoirian,his input is now necessary ,it's not needed.  That why  for us ,your president is wasting nigerian tax payers' money by traveling to Ivory coast. You have more important issues at home ,don't you ? Obansajo 's behavior is ridiculous. If  he is  a coward who can't tell Chira-KKK to stop destroying africa , he has to leave Iv ory coast alone,you have more people in Cote d'ivoire than we do in Nigeria. If your president want to  help those who are bringing down our country, do not be surprised by the reaction.





mackjavel
In the name of " democraty "
« #1 on: November 04, 2005, 07:24 PM »

" in Democraty "   they say they believe !!!!!

1)  French soldiers gun down a 11 -year old girl in Abidjan ,in novembrer 2004.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2004/11/09/wivory09.jpg



2)  " In the name of Democraty, .... we steal "   

French troops in Ivory coast. Obansajo is not schocked and prefers helping Chira-KKK
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:H3hD3d3M6c4J:news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4114174.stm+French+troops+Ivory+coast&hl=en
Seun (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #2 on: November 04, 2005, 07:59 PM »

If you're wondering what he's angry about, President Obasanjo is on a peace mission in mackjavel's country (Cot D'Ivoire):

Nigeria's president has arrived in Ivory Coast to help find a new prime minister for the country. Olusegun Obasanjo, who is chairman of the African Union, will meet all the players in the Ivorian crisis.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4406190.stm

LAGOS, Nov. 4 (Xinhuanet) -- Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo, also chairman of the African Union, on Friday arrived in Abidjan, Cote d'Ivoire, to intervene in the renewed political crisis in the west African state.

During the one-day visit, Obasanjo will meet with his counterpart Laurent Gbagbo and rebel leader Gian Soro separately to discuss on the appointment of an acceptable prime minister that would help government in organizing the next elections, the official News Agency of Nigeria reported.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-11/04/content_3732753.htm

ABIDJAN, 4 November (IRIN) - Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo flew in to Cote d'Ivoire on Friday for a whirlwind round of meetings to try to break the political deadlock over who should be the new prime minister and get the peace process moving again.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IRIN/2000626651ae95bdd6e40b0d210361be.htm

mackjavel seems to be of the opinion that the president is not there to provide any serious help.
mackjavel
One year ago we were facing french fire.
« #3 on: November 04, 2005, 08:27 PM »

Those who are helping the French subdue the Ivorian people are wasting their time. We will never let our land at the mercy of thugs so called Democraty champions.

In november 2004 when our youth,men and women were bleeding under french troops fire, not a single head of states inwest africa has raised his voice to show his disagreement, they where rather helping Chira-KKK impose a UN embargo on us.

Agree or not, Ivory coast is not  a french farm. The old days are over. And it is not obansajo who is going to make prevent us from defending the mother land.

Pictures of november 2004
Ivorian civilians battle french troops who were closing in to President gbagbo's residence in order to overthrow him.
The french failed and they will always fail .

1) http://www.midici.com/midi/photos/041114073848.jpg


2) http://www.midici.com/midi/photos/041114074041.jpg

3)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2004/11/09/wivory09.jpg

4)http://www.midici.com/midi/photos/041114074520.jpg

5)http://www.abidjan.net/actualites/reportages/crise_ci_20041105/galerie/photo/fille%20blessée.JPG

6)http://www.midici.com/midi/photos/050209123415.jpg

7)http://www.abidjan.net/actualites/reportages/crise_ci_20041105/galerie/photo/char%20en%20action.JPG

8)http://www.midici.com/midi/photos/050209123604.jpg

9)http://www.abidjan.net/actualites/reportages/crise_ci_20041105/galerie/photo/CARNAGE%

10)http://www.abidjan.net/actualites/reportages/crise_ci_20041105/galerie/photo/Pro-government_demonstrators.jpg

11)http://www.abidjan.net/actualites/reportages/crise_ci_20041105/galerie/photo/fille%20blessée%201.JPG

12)http://www.abidjan.net/actualites/reportages/crise_ci_20041105/galerie/photo/trans%20corps.JPG

13)http://www.abidjan.net/actualites/reportages/crise_ci_20041105/galerie/photo/capt.sge.ert61.101104130849.photo01.photo.default-380x269.jpg

14)http://www.abidjan.net/actualites/reportages/crise_ci_20041105/galerie/photo/capt.svz11511092018.ivory_coast_protests_svz115.jpg

15)http://www.abidjan.net/actualites/reportages/crise_ci_20041105/galerie/photo/capt.svz11611092025.ivory_coast_protests_svz116.jpg

16)http://www.abidjan.net/actualites/reportages/crise_ci_20041105/galerie/photo/capt.svz11411092210.ivory_coast_svz114.jpg

17)http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D091104/ivory_coast.jpg
mackjavel
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #4 on: November 04, 2005, 10:34 PM »

  We  can solve our own problems with the help of those who really  understand  what is going on in Cote d'ivoire. But for Mbeki and our refusal to give up , Chira-KKK would have already overthrown Gbagbo with the help of obansajo. Let's recall that  the nigerian president has invited recently some head of state in Abuja in order to form an interim governement without Gbagbo .This has been  Chira-kkk's request since the rebels have failed to take over the country by force in september 2002.

The meeting in Abuja has failed,that's another reason why  we don't want this man to get involved in our national debate.
Obansajo should stay home . Air plane fuel  is very expensive today. He will better serve his country and Africa by cutting off unecessary trips. why is he acting like uncle Tom in front of Chira-KKK ?
Lansana Conteh,the guinean president,whose country is less stronger economically than Nigeria has said  a big "F- U"  to the french  when they approached him and ask for  help in order to  attack cote d'ivoire.  He said: Never.

Skies have not fallen over Guinee.  So why Obansajo is putting himself in this situation that does not honor him and his country?

Do not blame us later if we start overeacting.We are fighting for our country.
We are tired sick in Cote d'ivoire to see  foreign power such as France  decide  who should be in power in african countries.
We are also sick of fake peacemakers.
The game is over.
Seun (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #5 on: November 04, 2005, 10:48 PM »

What I'm doing is that I'm allowing you to express the way you feel.  We may not really understand most of what you're saying because we are too busy trying to put out our own fires, but the way you're expressing yourself shows the pain and bitterness and anger of war.

Those of us who believe in God  Christians, Muslims - will have your country in our prayers. 

The rest of us will want to know exactly how you'll like us to help you.  What do you want us in Nigeria to do for you?  Please tell us, because if it is within our power, we will.  There is no reason to be bitter against Nigerians - we are just a giant developing country in Africa battling our own giant problems and trying to help others in the region as exemplified by our President's mission.
drbigdaddyg (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #6 on: November 05, 2005, 09:01 AM »

mackjavel, we would also want you to look deep into the cause of the problem whether it demands international help because I believe President Obasanjo as an African Union Chairman is entitled to some reaction "when necessary". All I am saying is that we should not wholly reject such helps as it might be aimed at settling some disputes.

Personally, I don't like intrusions especially when it is aimed against me. Let me assure you that our president will apply every diplomacy to ensure that every thing is settled amicably. We have had a good record in your country, so I don't see how we will side a non-african country in battles against you. We are brothers and belong to unions like OAU, ECOWAS; therefore I don't see why you people should fret over Obasasnjo's administration.
mackjavel
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #7 on: November 05, 2005, 09:28 PM »

Seun and Drbi.   Thanks.   As Seun has stated before, we just do not trust Obansajo's mission .

  Why ? because we know the french are behind it, after they have failed to build a nasty image of ivorians accross the international media and steal democracy from them.
You have perhaps read in nigerian newspapers  about ivorians being xenophobic,racists and so on and how these bandits who occupy the north of our country are  freedom fighters.

Where are we today.

1. The rebels didn't want to hold a referendum before changing  the constitution which was approved by a 80 %- Yes in 2000 . There was not boycott .       Gbagbo accepted the change of that consitution   during a peace talk in South Africa.
 
 
                                                                                                                                                                                                         In Gbagbo was not in power. Let's remind that the  second and 3rd  men in  command   in the military junta under which the referendum was held are from the north. 

2. Rebels  have asked  to be in an interim  government after killing children and women. Gbagbo accepted . Among the ministers they have imposed to Gbagbo through Chira-KKK were former cooks. Some have not even finished 6th grade.Gbagbo accepted in the name of peace.

3. They wanted to be  members of the committee that will oversee elections. they are members today.

4. They wanted all foreigners born before 1972 who have never apply for ivorian citizenship to be citizens. Gbagbo has approved.

5. They wanted allassane Quattara to be allow to run for president despite his questionnable past in disregard of the constitution. Gbagbo has approved.

Points 1 through 5 were the conditions that must be met before they desarm ( Peace talk in south africa).
all those conditions are met. steel  they don't want to desarm. let's remind it took mister Mbeki 11 month to get those results.
Now the only point should be about desarming the rebels. But the french are refusing because they know when it comes to democratic elections these rebels and they leader will  not win. That's the reason why they have told Obansajo to come in and hold another meeting in abuja in order to form another interim government,this time WITHOUT GBAGBO.
He didn't say << no,my brother Mbeki has got some results let's start from there>>.  He tried to hold the meeting. Gbagbo  said: ENOUGH IS  ENOUGH I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO ANY OTHER NEGOCIATION.I HAVE DONE MY PART,THE REBELS HAVE NOW TO MAKE GOOD ON THEIR COMMITMENT TO DESARM.
Mbeki didn't go to that meeting neither. Only went Compaore' ,Wade, Toumani Toure', Tandja ,the same  whose countries back ivorians rebels.  The meeting failed.



You can help  by questioning the reports that  describe ivorians patriots as outcasts . Any time a foreign power loses control on an african country,nasty reports start to come out about that country ( hunger,HIV, Xenophoby, and son on.)

You  can help buy questionning  why mister  Quattara ,the former IMF agent has never had any ivorian ID unitil  1990 when Houphouet brought him in    to  appoint him as prime minister without taking into account people's opinion.
You can help buy asking those who present Quattara as a victim, why in his student  file in 1960 in pennsylvania  USA ,it was written CITIZEN OF UPPER VOLTA ( now Burkina faso ).This man was IMF agent in the USA as a citizen from Upper Volta until recently before he retirement.

We cannot accept somebody with a questionable past, a man who changes nationalities  as his interests change, to become our president and have an upper hand on our natural resources, our national security and the future of  our children. If this is being  xenophobic, then we are xenophobic.
We know the button line is this : the french want somebody they can manipulate on purpose to continue  stealing  every thing from Cote d'ivoire in the name of disgusting old treaties dating from the 1960s such as << Ivory coast will buy its army supplies only from  France >> Or << France has the natural right to have control over any project  about natural ressources, Sea port, water supllies,electricity etc>>.


 You can help buy questionning those who present this conflit as muslims against christians   why before Quattara came in to run for president by all means necessary, there has never been any conflit in cote d'ivoire .
Today  the man who will become president in the case Gbagbo dies is mamadou coulibaly,the House Speaker, a muslim from the North and memeber of Gbago's party ,the ivorian popular front. ( I. P. F)

Some foreigners from Mali,Burkina are blaming ivorian police for negative profiling. I'm from the west,we have the same problem  with crooked police officiers asking for money and ckecking all your ID's . We didn't start a war  for that.

Why is  police always going  after them and never after nigerian who  have been living in cote d'ivoire for over four decades, you can ask this question.
 Why you never read in a newspaper that a nigerian gang armed with machine guns has robbed and bank ? why every time Burkina faso and mali citizens are getting involved in bank robbery?  Those question must be asked to those who feel every time being targeted.


 

People from the north have been president of the supreme Court,prime minister,  President of the national assembly , Joint Chief of staff, minister of defense,  and so on. No other region has had so many positions in the government.Moreover people from mali, senegal and  d Burkina have been ministers in ivorian government


You can find villages of less than 400  people  in the north with power and running water while in the south  villages with more than 3000 people have no water,no power.

Houphouet is from the centrer of the country,not from the south as the rebels say.


  You can help by fastforwarding this response to any nigeria newspaper for publication .

Salut!
 Mackjavel@hotmail.com.
omon (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #8 on: November 05, 2005, 11:55 PM »

Which Nigerian paper did you read that from?.  Don't come here and make allegations without backing them up with facts.  But for Nigeria, Liberia will not be where it is today, you guys better take a cue from that instead of killing yourselves in the name of presidency. Nigeria has nothing to gain from the French to act on their behalf.

Read your news well too...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4406190.stm
mackjavel
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #9 on: November 08, 2005, 05:42 PM »

  BBC. news is one of the most corrupt media hiding the truth. If they want to give accurate news  they should ask  whether  appointing a new prime minister is the priority right now after president  Mbeki has  concluded his mediation.
What can you do with 6th grade rebels who think a cook who can't read  can be minister of Education?

Western media are very clever in hiding truth. Had you followed a little bit what was going on in this country where almost one million nigerians have been living for decades, you would have known that BBC reports are not different from french media.
The point right now is about rebels laying down their weapons so that elections can be held. It is not about appointing a so -called Prime minister . This prime minister issue was brought in after the failure of Obansajo and the french in their bid to drive gbagbo out of power without letting Ivorians vote.  As I have explained , the meeting in Abuja  failed ( see last post).  We don't need your president's help for he has already shown he is working on behalf of special interets.
Why BBC didn't emphasize Gbagbo has  met of the peace talks requirements ,but the rebels didn't in violation of UN resolutions?
Why  didn't  they  say  the french has used the UN to spare the rebels from  sanctions?

BBC  could also mention the decision to impose arm embargo against the  ivorian government was possible thanks to a shadowy meeting held in nigeria in 2004 between your president and   some former coup leaders such as COMPAORE ( Burkina) and Toumani Toure' ( Mali), the same whose countries serve as rebels military bases.

The final point is : we don't need obansajo's help. He  brought himself in again in order to create more confusion  and hide french evil game. We can't take seriously somebody who said nothing when  french troops were massacring unarmed civilians in cote d'ivoire. But for Mbeki whose plane landed  in Abidjan the very same hour french troops were killing people and closing in to Gbagbo's residence, Cote d'ivoire would be another liberia today and Nigerians generals would have the opportunity to bring in troops and do business as they did in Monrovia.  What's a shame !!!!! Yes Nigerian soldiers  saved life in Liberia,but  we should not forget  during this war some of your leaders have  furnished their banks accounts .

I can remind you that Babanjida has had some businesses in Monrovia  and  he made millions of dollars from the war in Sierra leone and Liberia.  Some hotel in which Nigerian troops were  based belong to Babanjida. Charles Taylor is now in Nigeria where he had  invested some (if not all ) the money he made from his bloody rebellion.   Offering asylum to a war  criminal is not  how you bring peace .

We know the french  have offered their  help to Obansajo in the negociations with the E U about nigeria's debt if Nigeria helps them keep their domination over Ivory coast.  You must see the behavior of your leaders from inside and outside  so that you can get a broad picture.


We are working with the south africans  who truly understand what a strugglle for national dignity and autonomy is. As Mbeki said the conflit in Ivory coast is about foreign interests manipulating crooked africans in the sole goal to maintain control over natural resources .


Ajisafe
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #10 on: November 09, 2005, 12:54 PM »

@ Mackjavel:
Your threats about harming innocent Nigerians living peacefully in your country were childish. Just because you and your political "gendarmes" don't like Obasanjo's regional politics does not give you the right to harm the innocents. If you follow through on your threats, you'll have sinned big time; it doesn't matter whether you're Muslim or Christian. Killing or hurting innocent people is pure evil.   
mckaycee (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #11 on: November 09, 2005, 02:27 PM »

Sorry to say this Mackjavel, you sound like someone who is part of that rebbellion in ivory coast.

But, I want to tell you this, you have to find a way to help find peace in your country than attacking our president the way you are doing.

Secondly, your threat about attacking innocent Nigerians in Ivory Coast will not, I repeat, WILL NOT, solve the problem.

If you do that, I will not see the difference between you and a terrorist.
Lets find means to solve that problem, I promise you we Nigerians are not the way we are been painted.
Thank you.
mackjavel
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #12 on: November 10, 2005, 02:26 AM »

 I would like to stress how surprised I'm  to hear african  mixing politics and religion and wondering whether such or such is muslim or christian. In Cote d'ivoire We have seen enough hypocrisy at day light.Houphouet Boigny built the world most famous basilica.But  everybody knows  the man was still worshiping the same gods his ancestors were worshiping before europeans came in with Christianity.
You will perhaps be shocked by what I'm going to tell you although an ivoirian  won't be offended.
Here it is : There is  a funny  Night  Show,in  cote d'ivoire,that  says during the Ramadan, there is ....beer shortage ! Guess why . 
This same Show  talks about Priests and Pastors stealing people's wives.


Now your peacemaker Doctor  Obansajo.
Having said already what I meant, I will simply repeat that we don't trust him at all.You may not agree with us ,that's your right.
But I doubt you can convince anybody that african head of states acting like french president's  housekeeper honor  the continent. Your country is powerful enough to say  to the french :<<  Hey listen, we won't get into your game and sabotage africa. Mbeki has been appointed by the A. U   and the U.N, go and see him>>
One of the reasons why   nigeria created ECOWAS was to prevent foreign powers such as France from over ruling west african countries.

About me being anti christ or terrorist for going after nigerians in cote d'ivoire, let's me tell you, If I were,Iwon't be here warning you.
What do you expect people to do when a president from another country is backing their ennemis ?   

  Is the nigerian president at  ease  , on the same side with people like  Compaore' (Burkina faso ) who sent mercenaries into liberia on  Charles Taylor 's side to kill nigerian soldiers in early 1990's? The same compaore' after stealing liberian and sierra leonean gold and diamon is backing rebels who are attacking Ivory coast  today,again. That is the real issue!!!

I think your president does not  care at all about the well being of his fellows in cote d'ivoire.
This war is not over and all these talks about peace that are  going on  right now are just  a big fake.
You cannot solve problems by running away from what everyone knows.
Ajisafe
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #13 on: November 10, 2005, 06:05 AM »

MackJavel, my dear African brother:
Please, be at peace with yourself. We Nigerians are peaceful people; and you can see that we have assumed our role as the leaders in Africa. We only try to help smaller African states like yours. When Charles Taylor did what he did to our citizens in Liberia, despite the fact that we were there to save his ruined nation, what did we do? He now lives comfortably in a villa in Calabar, Nigeria. We're good people!

Let me ask you the followings: (a) During the Nigerian civil war, where did the rebel leader, Odumegwu Ojukwu, flee to? Your very own Ivory Coast! Did we start killing and maiming every Ivorian living in Nigeria then? NO! (b) When Yakubu Gowon was incriminated by Buka Suka Dimka in the bloody coup deta't that wasted our dear Murtala Muhammed's life, where did he flee to from Kampala? Britain! Did we Nigerians start killing every Briton in Nigeria then? NO! (c) When Umaru Dikko was alleged to have stolen more than four billion pound sterlings from Nigeria's coffers, where did he run to for refuge? Britain! Even though the British government did not cooperate with us in our endeavor to retrieving the ill-gotten cash! Nigerians didn't resort to violence against the Britons in Nigeria. (d) When the Cameronian gendarmes killed our border policemen in the '80s, and this same France was emboldening Cameroon not to apologize to us, what did we do? Although, it almost started a regional war between Nigeria and Cameroon/France. But we didn't threaten the Cameroonians living in Nigeria. (e) Again, during Bakassi imbroglio, the same France egged on the Cameroonian government of Paul Biya to be up in our face. Did we start killing the French people living in Nigeria? No, sir! So, please, don't harm innocent Nigerians living in your country. They are not politicians; most of them have lived in Ivory Coast for decades. OK! And whether you believe it or not they're the ones driving the economic engine of your country. If you people have a beef with our President because of his "meddling" into your affairs, please leave innocent Nigerians out of this. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   
drbigdaddyg (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #14 on: November 10, 2005, 04:32 PM »

Mackjavel, this is real cowardise, going after innocent people maybe because they are living in your country. We Nigerians love peace, you can confirm it from our stand in African Unity. I have earlier on told you that Obasanjo as far as I am concerned has no cause to side France against you people atleast considering what we passed through in the hands of this same France. I will tell you that we don't have any economical relationship with france, at least, to rule out any thought maybe giving a greek gift.
Please, just do me the favour of advicing your people against their plan to make your country hostile ground for our people there. Most of us there don't even know the name of our president not to talk of taking part  with Obasanjo/France against you.
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









mckaycee (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #15 on: November 10, 2005, 04:35 PM »

Obansajo 's behavior is ridiculous.If  he is  a coward who can't tell Chira-KKK to stop destroying africa.Obansajo  without any shame, spearheaded a shadowy meeting with some crooked  six  african head of states ,to give the UA's green light to Jacques Chira-KKK  for a UN  arm. We are also sick of fake peacemakers!Yes Nigerian soldiers  saved life in Liberia,but  we should not forget  during this war some of your leaders have  furnished their banks accounts .Now your peacemaker Doctor  Obansajo.


ENOUGH OF THIS NAME CALLINGS ON OUR PRESIDENT. WATCH YOUR TONGUE.
Ajisafe
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #16 on: November 10, 2005, 05:18 PM »

Please, folks:
Let us refrain from insulting Mr. Mackjavel.  We're doing a great disservice to the betterment of innocent Nigerians in Ivory Coast; as a matter of fact, we're putting their lives and property in jeopardy by being confrontational with him. The least we can do is to appeal to him for calm and understanding in lieu of daring him to do his worst. We will not be there to rescue our people. Remember what happened in Liberia; thousands of lives of innocent Nigerians were lost senselessly. Thanks for your cooperation.
Seun (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #17 on: November 12, 2005, 10:08 PM »

I have done my best to be accomodating to Mackjavel.  I don't know what else he wants.  i am a webmaster and I don't have links to any newspaper editor as he's demanding.  I understand that his country is at war and he may have known people who have died and were close to him, but this issue of wanting to attack Nigerians for wanting to help them is not good at all.
Ajisafe
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #18 on: November 12, 2005, 10:56 PM »

I know you've tried enough, Seun. Let's just continue begging this aggrieved man ooooo! A Yoruba proverb says, "E je k'ape were loko iyawo, k'o le je k'ari ile gbe."

Also, remember, "a leper can not milk the cow, but can surely waste the milk."

It's just a food for thought ooooo!
Seun (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #19 on: November 13, 2005, 12:33 AM »

Ajisafe:  Please, can you tell us your point is, really?  Huh
Ajisafe
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #20 on: November 13, 2005, 12:48 AM »

I'm a bit surprised that you didn't know what my point was, really! Did you want me to spill the beans, all the way? That's why I can only use proverbs, adages, and allegories. This guy, Mackjavel, needs to be pacified, so he doesn't go ahead and carry out his "jungle justice" against our people, who don't really care about Obasanjo, Gbagbo, and Mbeki, or any of those unproductive African leaders!
Seun (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #21 on: November 13, 2005, 01:12 AM »

Yeah, I knew that.  I just didn't understand your way of saying it!
Ajisafe
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #22 on: November 13, 2005, 01:15 AM »

Which one you didn't understand? The Yoruba proverb, or that of the leper?
mackjavel
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #23 on: November 13, 2005, 11:20 PM »

mckaycee ,  Does calling your president a coward hurt more than him supporting France which  troops are using machine guns to behead  11 year old girl? Is your president feeling more important than the destruction of a country of 16 millions people ? You love your president, you defend him ,   well, I love also my country and defend the lives of innocent people whose death has  been ignored.

Good look and encourage Obansajo to go after the Ivorian patriots.
No one ,I repeat no one will oblige the country of Ivory coast to bow in front of criminal such as chira-KKK and this cronies.
Encourage your president to go after us and don't bother  saying  anything about these bandits so called rebels.

It is not mackjavel who is going to call for riots against nigerians. I was just telling you that confining  people into  humiliation  can generate  chaos.

Ojuku was a french puppet. They used him with Houphouet Boigny to dismember Nigeria because the French were fearing  a strong african nation.  Had you read the book of jacques Baulin a former french advisor to Houphouet Boigny you would have known that this man is complaining in 98% of this book about the   " outreageousily big size of Nigeria". It  is not hard to understand what his  problem is !

Those who are in power today in cote d'ivoire are those who have comdamned houphouet stupide behavior in Biafra war.
Those in power today in Ivory coast are the one who refuse to be france's Yes-men . That 's why the French are fighting them.

Obabsajo who was an army officer during that war should understand better that the french are playing the same old dirty game they played during your civil war.

 So, it is not a question about somebody who is hating your president and your people,it is an appeal to common sense.
Now you are free to be blind.




 Tant pis ! We are leaving the nigerian forum. Bye.
May God bless our martyrs,those who gave their lives for the well being of  our beloved motherland Eburnea( the actual name of Cote d'ivoire).
The struggle continues until victory is accomplished.

omon (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #24 on: November 13, 2005, 11:25 PM »

You should address your grievances to the French and their govt. If Obasanjo is quiet about the Frend and what they do in your country does not mean he supports them. Has Thabo Mbeki told the french troops to leave your country yet?
Ajisafe
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #25 on: November 14, 2005, 02:24 AM »

Mackjavel, you're welcome anytime to discuss about how to make Africa great; not about how to continue killing one another. Aluta Continua, Victoria Ascerta!
Seun (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #26 on: November 14, 2005, 02:31 AM »

Mackjavel, can a machine gun "behead" a girl?  i watched the video clip of what you're talking about, and my conclusion was that the girl was beheaded by one of the men in the crowd carrying cutlasses.  Yes, I know that the French soldiers killed some people in the crowd, but the young girl could not have been machine gun. 

Guns do not behead - they punch holes in people.  Cutlasses, which can behead, were being carried my many of the men in the crowd.  So draw a better conclusion.  In Africa, the truth is that we are our own worst enemies.
mckaycee (m)
Re: An Ivorian Response to President Obasanjo's Diplomatic Mission
« #27 on: November 15, 2005, 03:49 PM »

Posted on: November 13, 2005, 11:20 PMPosted by: mackjavel
Now you are free to be blind


You chose to be blind mackjavel, you have refused to use common sense in this thread of yours. Nobody is asking you to leave. You are still our African brother and all I want you to do is respect a leader, wether yours or not. Imagine calling the president of the most POPULOUS BLACK NATION names, to the hearing of his own people. Even if he is bad, no sh***t. Afterall, I'm not an Obasanjo freak.
If you are a christian, go through your bible and see what it says about leaders and leadership, if you are not, then you must be a  muslim and it has provisions for leaders and leadership. If you are not both, then use your COMMON SENSE!
LEAVE HIM TO GOD, HE'S THE BEST JUDGE.
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